Leica M10 masterpiece review - and more while we wait for Leica M12. Photographer Thorsten Overgaard
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Thorsten von Overgaard is a Danish writer and photographer, specializing in portrait photography and documentary photography, known for writings about photography and as an educator. You are always welcome to send an e-mail to Thorsten for questions, suggestions and ideas.
Thorsten Overgaard is an independent writer and photographer who write, teach workshops and publish user reports about the equipment he uses. There is no affiliation with Leica Camera AG or any camera dealers, no free gifts, no sponsorship, no kickback and no paid content. All you see is real and based on the life of an eccentric and hard-working photographer who makes his own money, buys his own equipment and form his own independent opinions - and shares with you. Enjoy the ride.
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This video was made with the Leica SL bhpho.to/3cIbPEg and Leica 50mm Summicron-L ASPH f/2.0, using Sennheiser wireless microphones bhpho.to/2zafn4v .
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I've upgraded to an M10 from an M9-P. It was a tough decision to be made, but it was worth it. M10, for me, is still perfect for my needs: portrait, wedding, street photographt etc. M11 & M11-P was released, but still not enough to justify why should I upgrade from the already-beautiful M10. Thank you for sharing your passion, Thorsten.
Photography is the only hoby where you can say ”it was not expensive, only 400$”
I think the M10 will be the digital M6. In ten years it will still be good enough and people will romanticize the bottom plate.
+1 I’ve written another comment here about why the P is the sweet spot for many reasons.
@@nymzoindian7250 hmm. Looking at prices, I don't think the premium for the P is worth it. It's so close to the R, that if you can afford the P you might as well get an R. The M10 gives you the best price performance for the Leica experience. The M240 gives you a budget type option, which is great, reliable. Both the 240 and M10 are not really depreciating, in fact the M10 has gone up with inflation.
@@ThePurple1968 it’s not about price at all. 10 misses luxe features that came later. 24mp is preferable over the R for wireless use. P is the way to go in the 10 series for application. The BP 10R is ofc more desirable.
Hi Thorsten, I'm new to your channel and getting back into photography. - When I was younger I had a Minolta XD5, but always dreamed of owning a Leica Camera. Thank you for your excellent insights into Photography with Leica. After watching one of your video's I was totally hooked to know more about Leica camera's. I might get my first digital M this year. Keep up the great work. I look forward to more things to come. 🙂
Thank you, Thorsten, for the honest review. I have the M10-P and love every aspect of it. About to buy the EVF for more accurate wide-open focusing especially for portrait work. Like a lot of technological advances (M11), it comes with some issues and needs a rethink. I believe the beauty of the M series is the simplicity and connection we have to our subject without too much tech getting involved. The M10 sits in the Goldilocks zone. Love your videos.
the M10-D is the digital pinnacle. It combines the soul of the analog M with the convenience of digital post processing. In combination with the 50 summilux black chrome even more 😉
Yes, it is a great camera, and hard to find now second-hand 🙂 I totally understand why you like it!
Agreed, I wish it was more common on the second hand market.
My favorite camera 📷 ! Timeless design
I try to not chimp on my M10M imagining it to be an M10-D or a film Leica in general)
@@konst2007xLuigi camera cases makes a really nice leather case that has a leather flap that covers the LCD. Makes using the Leica without chimping more natural.
Thank you for an excellent program. I recently purchased an M11 Monochrom which I like very much. However, I think I will stay with my M10R for color photography.
Having bought my M10 about a year ago in part inspired and definitely infused by your youtube films, I am really happy to watch your re-review of it. I never regretted my move from digital autofocus can-do-everything to this dogma simplicity of the M10. It is so close to the analog experience, that I hardly ever miss shooting analog. In spite of owning an R5 and a couple of cool rangefinders of other cool brands. It is reliable. Battery life extremely good when you don't use the viewfinder all the time. It gives you presence and a way closer experience with whatever you are part of and wish to capture. I started out with a Voigtländer 35 and an R5 50 mm Summicron but have exchanged everything for 28 and 50 mm M-mount Leicas and an R-90 mm. And I always carry it with me - at least with one lens ;-) Thanks for your thorough and contagious videos Thorsten!
Great story to hear. Glad you found a camera that makes you happy and you want to always wear.
Thanks for another excellent video! I hope to shoot Leica (monochrom) one day but for now I’m having fun with my rangefinder “style” Fuji X100V. It may have loads of buttons and menus but I prefer to keep its use as simple as possible! Always wear a camera! 📷☕️🙂
The Fuji is a great camera, I love my original x100 over any other - fuji.
Hello Thorsten, I just bought a second hand M-10 'kit' . It's a 24mp M10 with a summilux 1.4 50mm ASPH. I am over the moon with the results. The camera and lens enable me to materialize what my gut says what a scene/opportunity/subject has to offer. A very satisfactory and inspiring experience. I sense a road of discovery ahead. Thanks for the video.
Sounds like you found exactly what was right for you 🙂
I just might have indeed :) Greetings! @@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard
Great video... I loved my M10 but decided to sell it when the chance to pick up a brand new Black Paint MP came my way... I ultimately regretted selling the M10 and ended up adding a M10-R... it's a fantastic camera... all that I could want from a digital M... I'd love to eventually pick up a new M11 reporter (if any of those ever come out)... love the unique patina on the reporter series camera bodies... other than that... I'll be keeping my m10-r till it stops working
Amazing, I was using a 50mm Zeiss Planar f/2 with my MD 262 resulting is an image that was aggressively sharp. So I thought of replacing the Zeiss with the vintage Leica 50mm Summicron Rigid!
I now have a digital camera that not only shoots like film but renders like film...!
Also, happy new year!
I own the M9 and now the M10 with the 35 Summicron and they are as perfect, to me, that cameras can get. I have no desire to change. Well done, Thorsten!
Yes, you sort of got all you need. Not always a guarantee that you won't buy more.
Get the 40mm Summicron…. You are welcome
Moved up from an M-P 240 to the M10. heaven.
Great review of the Leica evolution.
Very enjoyable and informative video; thank you!
Unfortunately my luck with the Leica M10-R wasn’t as good as yours - mine froze and became unfunctional after less than 100 shots. It’s been with Leica for 3 months now, to be repaired under warranty.
Yes, that is unusual and unfortunate.
Thorsten , thank you for this detailed thoughtful discussion of the Leica m's and the M10 , I was told that the M11 has the correct height to affix my DR Summicron 50mm F2 with the goggles. I am pleased that the M11 will fit the original DR 50mm F2 ; however , I have read reviews at B&H Photography of New York , and there have been issues with the sensor and with the turn-around time for repairs with Leica on the M11 and for that reason I have decided to hold off buying that body , at least until mid 2024 or 2025 .
I hope that Leica is not going to go the way of many manufacturers being pressured to pump out gear. I am going away from Brand "X " since purchasing the M3 ( KANTO ) serviced from an Italian owner , and I love the M3 ...everything about is is top quality , then for the 35mm lenses I purchased a like new MA , in silver finish as is the M3 .
I love the M Film bodies. Honestly my next most loved camera is my ROLLEI Wide , 55mm F4 TLR , and it's sibling the TESSAR 75mm 3.5 MVX model . Rollei's are so quiet and stable. Both of my most loved camera's are German gems. 😌
Thanks. You’ve been a great help when I am trying to transition to Leica from a lifetime of Nikon.🙏🏼❤️
We need that 240 review!
Totally agree😅
Couldn’t agree more, love my M10R.
I downloaded your M10 masterclass for a remarkable sum of money. I sincerely hope it will prove beneficial to my quest.
I'll keep you posted. My M10 is stuck in the customs. Tomorrow, friday 22/3/24 delivery is possible.
I have an m10r and the ccd Leicas which I enjoy very much. My hope is that Leica release another 24mp M camera at some point with much faster wake time, closer focusing rangefinder if possible, dual magnification and decent battery. Strip back all the gimmicks they gave us with the m11. They have the Q and SL for that.
Wow, thanks very much for that. I have a feeling that the M12 will be irresistible. Recently I had to use my M10-R in nearly complete darkness (I was trying to photograph a play from the audience). I thought I knew my camera very well. I was wrong.
I like the bottom plate, it secures the essential battery and SD card. Nowadays I use a M4-2 which gives me the best experience, no fuss and clean looks. I had the M-P Typ 240 but found it too bulky, heavy and too many features.
Have you in the Past received cameras before released?
I’ve literally used EVERY Leica M camera. The Leica M10P has replaced the Leica M6TTL as the all time best Leica ever made.
I've just gotten my new (to me) M10-P, mounted my 1968 50mm Summilux-M v.2 to it, and am eager to take it out for its first proper use this afternoon. Today is a very good day...
Always wear a camera 😊 thanks for posting Thorsten.
I love my M10-D and consider it and the M10-P to be the best digital Ms. Followed by the M10-R if you really need more resolution. They will be remembered as the M6 of this generation.
The M11 and I never got along and it was sold after a year of frustration. Buggy firmware, lots of features I don’t use, and too much resolution for the kind of photos I take. It’s by far the best digital M if you primarily use live view, but I don’t. I’m so glad I sold it and went back to the M10 line. I think it will be remembered as the M5 of this generation.
Used prices will be what confirms the above.
Thinking of buying a secondhand m10p
Excellent discourse on both history and camera body specifics. With my M10, I am frustrated by lengthy second images when shooting low light. Any effort at astrophotography was met with high frustration. Menu controls did not make it any easier to adjust range of settings. It took deep dive into the manual to understand that entire Noise Reduction methodology and settings. That feature plus mediocre battery life were enough to make me ponder an M11 replacement. Can I manage the exposure matter better? I have 4 batteries, so I can cope with battery life. I'd be tickled to enhance my satisfaction with the M10 I already own. As you noted, a trade "up" to a M11 is an expensive change and I'd be happy to prevent doing so.
So if I want to choose between the M10 and M10R, which one will it be?
I hope the M12 is NOT like the M10. The M10 had poor battery life, bad (old fashion) light metering all because of the position Leica had in the past. M11 is an improvement and I hope the M12 will have some delicate improvements again 🔴👍🏼
Hi Thorsten, I am a bit confused about M11 when reading your review of SL3. You mention on your website that "The Leica M11 is the one fruit on the tree that didn't turn out that well in image quality, but let's not discuss that here" but in your review of M11 on the website you mention there " There is an aliveness and lightness to the images of the Leica M11". Please could you elaborate for me? [not wishing to catch you but this might be useful for my own purchase]
I have an M10R in Black Paint. I think this is my definitive M camera. It looks and feels like an analogue MP. I use it next to an SL2-S. In terms of character of the pictures they are very are similar, I don’t see difference in the final pictures, as I’m using the same M lenses on both cameras.
I also think if he would have been able to do it the Leica would have shot moving pictures. And when you say reportage in context to the recording landscape now movies are shared with a trend upward. So I would love to see a m camera back with movie capture function. That's something I would like to see.
I keep coming back to this. 👌.... 🤝
I’ve had my M10r from new and it’s been faultless. I must say it’s been a gateway to Leica and I now have the MP bp and an original SL601 will a collection on M Leica glass.
I must say it’s pretty obvious you are not a fan of the M11 😅
Thank you for this video as I truly believe you have a true insight into Leica
Yes, it is true. M11 is not reliable enough for me. Somebody said the other day, he "hope there could be a M12 out sooner than usual … just sweep that 11 under the rug"
If you are new to m- system. Will you go m10-r / m11 with a voigtlander 40 or 50 mm lens or Will you take a m10 with a Leica lens 40 / 50 mm lens?
I have a Leica Q for normal use and an Nikon z8 with 180-600mm and 400 4.5 for wildlife.
But sometime a miss a 40/50 mm lens i my Leica Q. So i consider to Bay into the M system with a 40 or 50 mm lens. But are the Leica lenses much better Then the voigtlander lenses?
I would like to see a comparison between the Leica M Summilux 28 mm VS Fujifilm 18mm 1.4.
Any update on the M11 Masterclass. I pre-ordered and still waiting for it. I see you are not a huge fan of the M11. Does that mean there will be no video for it?
The M11 video is made and updated now, so it is coming rather soon. The attitude is not if the camera you bought is good or better or worse, but how to optimally use it and get good results out of it.
Can you recommend a Fanny pack to carry your Leica while you travel abroad
The M Leica has been around since 1925! No comment!
I think the M10-P is the best M for the discrete family photographer.
- no dot - and all white paint removed (yes ALL white paint)
- sound - not completely quite like 11-P, but enough
- LV, touch screen and brass
- price to value output is highest for M10 generation rn and the P version is the cleanest looking imo
I’ve decided to pair it with the M11-P in brass.
Having said all this, we all do want to have an example from each generation 😅
I agreen on the M10-P, it has 24Mp and it's great for photos and post production.
@@nymzoindian7250 I'm the same. I tend to keep them to refer to them.
M10P M10D M10M M10R had extremely quiet shutter. Unfortunately not possible with the M11 generation 😢
@@allena3430 you get a completely silent shutter on M11 iirc.
I will just enjoy and learn as much as I can about my M10 and ignore all the new models, I will take good care of it so it will last many years. I don't care to upgrade. A camera this expensive and well made should be enjoyed for a long time.
If I could afford, I would love to own M10R with 35mm and 50mm f 1.4 lenses. Unfortunately a bit out of my reach budget wise.
Hello. Long time subscriber and purchaser of many of your books.
Do you have presets for Monochrome 246 cameras
The Leica Presets package is the closest to it. Haven't made specific presets for for M246.
www.overgaard.dk/Thorsten-von-Overgaard-Gallery-Store-The-Overgaard-Adobe-Lighroom-Presets-for-Leica-cameras.html
The cameras are durable for but you need to be careful not to bang it on something. You can knock the alignment out of the rangefinder. But i guess you can still zone focus.
You have brassed that M10-R + 50 APO black paint combo beautifully.
Yes, that is a keeper 🙂
When TvO says “Photo-graphy” it always seems to (A) catch me off guard (or offgaard) and (B) make me a little weak in my american knees
Mirrorless Nikon and proper focus. U1 is set for 100% zoom focus with M lenses. A mode uses back button, thumb, to auto focus. Shutter press does not refocus.
Honestly I have a hard time choosing M10, M10R, or Nikon mirrorless which can be set to silent, no shutter at all. Silent is vibrationless.
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"Voigtlander looks okay" - this was true some 15 years ago may be but it's not objective today
Maybe time to revisit
So essentially we're waiting for an M12-D! I also love the bottom plate and think a subtle update of it would be fantastic, a bit like the ergonomics of the ISO dial.. I really don't like the Hasselblad-style battery access thing, and the base upside-down access battery-charging on M11 seems dim-witted. M11 bearing all the hallmarks of a camera designed in a hurry by a committee and rushed to market when it wasn't ready. Meanwhile, I'll stick to Kodak and my MP thanks.
I sold my M10 because I preferred my M9 too much. Yes the M9 has lower DR but I always strive for a good exposure and I'm always fine. Because of the sensor corrosion issue I feel like if you find a fixed M9 it is your duty to use it until it completely fails. Also good working M9's are starting to become very limited in numbers because of corroded sensors which means they are becoming limited editions simply because of this. If you find a carrion free M9, treasure it. Now if I could only afford a Titanium M9.
My dream is the Hermes M9 🙂
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Wow I could watch how the whole package was made all day. czcams.com/video/LAfSfnykXfo/video.html
M10 Monochrom is like Kraftwerk.
Autobahn 🙂
The model@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard
I really love your enthusiasm for Leica. I really like them too, but why do we need another Leica M? M10, M11 and now M12? Why? I am already disappointed with the SL3. In an effort to be all things to all men, at a price of course, they ruined the refreshing minimalistic essence of the SL.
The M11 is the direction Leica chose. The M10 is out of production.
The perfect M? To me: there’s none.
The best M? Hmmm, I’d say the M7 and the M11
The most M M? Puh, well, the M3ss, M4, M9, M10-P I’d think. I know the most love the M6 and I have 2 of them, and it’s a good easy camera, but i get more M feel out of the M4, having a lightmeter in the camera distracts me, even without batteries I can’t ignore that they’re missing. But I can with the M4, it’s just not there, it’s now all about you.
My preferred M? M4, M11.
My preferred lens? NLX50f1.2, SLX50pre-asph, SELM21
My odd-kit? M240 with SLX80-R on Leica MR adapter, the M240 got to no war, but to iceland-waterfall-mist and died!! Yes! It got fully restored, by Leica (not Wetzlar who rejected). So no, it’s not a war camera, it failed 3 times.
Save your money
A lot of talk, not a lot of M10 specific content.
Summary: buy a Leica! 😘
Says how great the manual focus is and then proceeds to show only out of focus photos..
Thorsten subtly saying the M11 should be forgotten as soon as possible?😂
i like the new direction Leica is going. M11, Q3, etc. finally starting to look like a camera that i will buy. sorry if it offends those that like old stuff - i like new tech, and i wish Leica will step it up.
just to be clear - there are folks to like film, and that is great. go shoot on those cameras (new or old)
what i hope to see Leica evolve into - is to abandon all these legacy stuff, that keeps the camera in limbo of half old half new. let's evolve the M even more. M10 was a shit camera to me.
Yeah .... "while we wait" ... really??? Like us schmucks are all waiting on Leica's next gravy train .... catch yourself on, Thorsten!!! Leica gear depreciates faster than any car I've ever owned ... too many upgrades, model changes, etc ... the M-11 P's specs should have been for the standard M11... in reality, the images from my Nikon Zf with the 50mm F1.8 Z lens are superior to those from my M11 with 50mm Summilux ... colour, rendition, out of focus areas ... everything!
Obviously you didn’t buy an original Noctilux which now sell for circa $50k. Nothing appreciates like a Leica