Why the YuGiOh Community SUCKS
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- I loved YuGiOh while growing up but when I decided to try and get competitive in the card game, my experience wasn't so great. I try to discuss what the cause is behind the YuGiOh community has gone downhill.
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As a YGO player, I can say, I love the card game, but I hate the community.
I'm from Brazil, and the community here is FUCKIN TOXIC!
LoL I like the Yu-Gi-Oh anime but I don't like the Yu-Gi-Oh community it's kind of toxic and it's kind of annoying in my opinion.
It’s still the same annoying toxic fandom today that deserves to be wiped off the face of any map.
which is the true heart of the problem...instead of crying to konami (even thought they are responsible for a seperate problem with the game) we need to start putting our foot down when other players act like coplete pricks.
when i went to a local sneak peek for the boster pack "legacy of the vallient" i actually got scolded by my openent just for offering them a handshake before the match....another guy called a judged just because i asked how many cards were in his hand (the way he was holding his cards i could not tell)....that same player wouldnt even answer honestly when i asked what was in his graveyard....i had made it 3 games into the tourneent with y volcanic deck,even though i lost i was still rather satisfied with how i did....but even tho i took my defeat with grace,the guy i lost to just HAD to berate me for playing a "trash" deck,and actually started to list reasons why i would never have made it to the finals...and did so in a very condescending tone
before i left i saw the vender at the cardshop ripping off some kid who had pulled a 50 dollar card from one of the packs given out. (gave e gamestop flashbacks) he offered him a meesly 8$ in store credit.
Oh you're all just third rate duelists with fourth rate decks.
You have activated my trap card
Screw the community I have money
@@haosmagnaingram6992 screw the community I have brown hair
Gēmu Kira screw the community I have belts
@@boofstain1508 SCREW THE COMMUNITY I GIT DIRTY JORDAN'S
1st Turn:
Opponent: "I summon this monster, then play this spell card...THEN I SPECIAL SUMMON! TRIBUTE SUMMON! XYZ SUMMON! XYZ SUMMON AGAIN! I ACTIVATE THIS MONSTER'S EFFECT! I DRAW 3 CARDS! I ACTIVATE THIS MONSTER'S EFFECT! I SPECIAL SUMMON THIS AND THIS! PENDULUM SUMMON! SYNCRO SUMMON! AND THEN I PLAY THIS MAGIC CARD! TWO CARDS FACE DOWN! ...Ok go!"
2nd Turn:
Me: "...uh...ok...I'll just draw and then-"
Opponent: "I activate this trap card and I activate this card's effect and this one. You can't summon monsters and all cards you play is all sent to the graveyard. Ok continue."
Me: "...I can't do anything..."
Viewers: "Look! He's getting salty!" "He sucks!" "TRASH!!!"
Me: "..." *Hopelessly thinking of the show and how much I love it...real life...not so much.*
It's not like that, there are decks that aren't just combo. Plus nowadays there are cards like Nibiru if opponent summons too much monsters and Dark Ruler No More etc. People commenting shit like that don't even keep up or play they just spread bullshit nonsense comments, I know some people still belive that God cards are the most powerful but even back in the day nobody played them outside of super casual play.
@Bx Dx lol ur totally wrong, there's multiple different deck types: combo, control, stun, midrange, ramp, aggro, and hybrids, the deck type who saw the most of competitive plays through history ( 33% to be precise ) is midrange.
I agree with you, just got back into yugioh and the flow of the game is so slow because of all the nonsense. Old school yugioh with just fusion, rituals was way better and simple.
i remember someone who once told me to stop playing the game simply because i did not want to dump 100+ on the card game and just wanted to play for fun. ah the yugioh community, i am so glad i left that garbage community behind.
Shadow Wulf puss
@Black Jack I tried getting back into it. A guy ran a six samurai deck and literally played half of his deck. I just want to have fun.
MagnumBarrage Yugioh....Fun 😐
The fact this game needed a hygiene rule for tournaments really say alot about this game
How to win in Ygo: Don't let your opponent Play Ygo
Yes
We have a community?
if you really think about it, the competitive players now are acting like Kiaba . i mean the both only use the "best cards", both RARELY ever smile unless its when there dominating and putting other players down, and finaly both usualy have a toxic personaility. its kinda crazy when u think about it
Yeah, that's why MOST Kaiba fanboys are competitive players. I say most because I like Kaiba more than Atem, yet I'm more like Atem personality-wise (although obv im not an ancient pharaoh who always talks about friendship n shit). I do share some aspects of Kaiba's personality, but mostly in regards to being anti-social and autistic (comon, we all know Kaiba had to be on the spectrum, at least a little)
I prefer having fun in a duel and have proven to myself that I can still have fun even if I lose. It's just that no deck higher than Tier 2 these days so much as *lets me play* let alone enjoy myself.
Joel Gawne ikr, heck my absolute FAVORTIE kinda deck to run is oricalcos beatdown with lv 4 and easily summonable monsters but that deck would be OBLITERATED running the seal means i cant use a extra deck but i still love running it and guardian eatos as well (once i find one) a earthbound immortal (perferably Uru). and im more like yuya i just wanna have fun and make people smile, thou in terms of characthers i LOVE the supreme king (GX not ARC-V)
Kaiba's not autistic. More psychopathic, considering the numerous murder attempts until Atem shattered his mind.
SHUT UP, YOU'RE ALL THIRD RATE DUELISTS WITH FOURTH RATE DECKS
Josh Brough "Screw the rules, I have the best yugioh card of all time! My credit card! Ahahahaha!!! Prepare to meet your fate yugi!"
Honestly at my locals the other yugioh players are overly competitive and trash anyone who doesnt play the current tier 1 decks. Heck just the other day I was talking with some of the other yugioh players there about a deck I cant wait for in the next set and they all were like "so who cares, why would you wanna build that when Zoodiacs are coming out" and when I said because I wanna have fun and dont feel like paying a crap ton for a borderline tier 0 deck that is gonna get hit by the banlist and drop drastically in value, they all just laughed at me. Honestly, I hate my locals because of how overly competitive they are but I still go up because of my friends being there and because of the oh so sweet gratification I get when I destroy their thousand dollar deck with a "non tier trash deck" as they call it. Heck a few weeks ago I hurt this one guy's ego so bad (he was playing ABC, I was playing Lunalight and 2 oed him), he ended up ragequiting the tournament and went home, I ended up placing third. Hopefully he learned from that and realized you dont need to play the "tier 1" decks to do well but, I doubt it.
u opened my eyes, i was about to buy a zoodiac deck in 2 weeks... already saved 600€... ty man ^^ now im gonna spend it on funny things like magic and force of will, really thank you, u saved me money
Your welcome
or food ?you know
To be honest if that happend to me i would have done the same. But winning a local tournament at a store doesnt mean anything. I could play my kuriboh deck win. Now if you got 3rd at a ycs or regional with lunalights i would be like wow. I feel that the comunity is fine there are many nice people.
thats why i play ghostrick
I remember the first time I went in to a Card Shop, I was like 8 and I'd just got my Duel Disk for my Birthday, so when I heard there was a card shop next to a mall in Georgia, I went and looked at the many yugioh cards, I saw the 5 piece Exodia and asked the price, and one of the guys there treated me like shit for asking, I let it slip so then I went to a table where they're some guys and kids dueling, I didn't even get to sit down when some kid ran out the store cying and his parents yelling, I also left that day, I was scared.
It has been 13 years from that, And I still see that today, people being super obsessed on the game (Grown ass adults spending shitloads of money on cards, but are to cheap for a deodorant, overpriced and useless cards and treating people like crap.
We chose to be Kaiba (With all the desire to win at all costs and "Screw the Rules") Instead of Yugi (Being passionate, but still respecting those around you and having fun even if you win or lose.)
I choose yugi's way. too bad Kaiba was more apilling for a lot of duelists... it's sad
He is cool but that doesn't give anyone the right to be a dick
This is an interesting video for me. When I was in my OMGGEEKYGIRL phase a few years back as a teenager I got quite into YuGiOh (got to live through GOAT format, which was cool). And now I'm back alongside the game as my fiancé runs a games store, and believe me when I'm helping out with organising YuGiOh locals, you would not believe some of the behaviour I've seen from the community where I live.
It's the BFs most lucrative night financially but he's considering not running it anymore and taking a hit on his business because of how these kids and teenagers act. The middle class mummies and daddies drop their spoilt kids off and essentially leave us to do babysitting. Barely an event goes by without someone's card(s) being stolen, some kid being in tears, and we've had to ban idiots for throwing punches after a loss on two separate occasions. It's ridiculous, and from an organisational view we can only do so much. And I know this won't be a popular comment, but you really do never get this stuff with the MTG guys.
I know it's not all the players of this game. But in terms of attempted and actual opportunistic theft of cards, anger after losses and snobbery and elitism from the people that have a bit of an ego on them, I've never seen any game quite like YuGiOh.
And I hate to say it but the stealing is the most noticable thing, if a kid drops or mislays anything in our shop. A card, a phone, a wallet, anything... Let's just say we don't have a lost property box as it's not needed, nobody has ever been honest enough to hand anything in... I warn any players who are reading this and are going to any sort of YuGiOh event- Do not keep your eye off anything you bring to this event for a second or that stuff will be gone.
Four years later and literally nothing has changed
I'm just a fan of the manga/anime and duel mostly on my phone, sometimes I duel my brother. But it hurts hearing this happens in the yugioh communtiy. Yugioh and duel monsters has always been about bonding with your friends. Support your brotherans and appreciate the work of Kazuki Takashi enough to treat each other with respect please. Its just a fun game!!
It is not "just a fun game" as you put it. Players are not playing for how "fun" yugioh is. It's widely acknowledged that the majority of people left who are playing yugioh are the ones who grew up with it as the game was on it's rise into peak popularity. They are attached to the game emotionally and are consumed by their own minds pitching up this false image of yugioh forever being as great as it was. They are obsessed with the past. These people are troubled individuals, and there is a lot of petty crime in the community. it's a big reason why the community is so toxic.
I stopped playing yugioh simply because the more experienced players treat you like garbage if you aren't as good as them. It gets to a point where you just get tired of the condescending attitudes and the elitist mentality. I do think the Yugioh community is toxic due partly to the fact that Konami anally penetrates the community with 100 new sets every year, garbage prize support while simultaneously printing stronger and stronger support for the top decks making any rouge strategy more useless than the filler cards in yugioh booster boxes. IMO Konami is just going to destroy itself. Whether its due to the power creep making trap cards pointless, normal monsters useless and card text on both sides of the card. Or because the required cards needed for your deck are so short printed, a single copy of a staple card is $100...oh wait.
There's no such thing as a "more experienced player" in ygo. They all just run the meta and don't know shit but the meta. Even my grandmother could win WCS with a top tier deck she copied off the internet, given enough time to practice with it.
The Yugioh Community hates each other. They impulsively hype the new cards, and then feel entitled to have the cards for themselves. The community gets impatient all the time because they have to wait months to years from the card to come from the OCG. One audience will buy the product aggressively regardless of the short prints. The other half gets salty because they don’t have it. Once the product gets reprinted, people then get salty how more people get access.
The funny thing is how many of the players associate themselves with a certain anime character, and feel entitled that they should only be the one with that archetype. I have seen players act as if they were Seto Kaiba. As a result, they absolutely hate others who use the same deck, and believe their build is the best. The reality is your not the only one who plays their deck and chances are your deck is not your own. On the subreddit, I get downvoted simply for mentioning a deck, archetype, or card.
What is worse is the amount of buyouts that occur for Yugioh. People are desperately trying to make the game more and more inaccessible for others. Konami also keeps rarity bumping essential cards making decks inaccessible. Almosr everyone I know who played quit because of the toxic community.
I think the other issue is that, on a competetive level, the game isn't FUN anymore. It's become all about who can get their FTK or unbeatable combo off first without any real ebb and flow or back and forth to make the game exciting. Players become obsessed with winning because that is the only source of dopamine they can GET. In competive Yu-Gi-Oh! you're either winning or getting trounced. And the latter sucks.
I had a bad experience with my local magic community when they found out I play Yugioh the majority of the players looked at me and talked to me like I was a kid. Whereas my Yugioh community are nice people and while they are competitive I have always been treated good. I guess I'm saying there are so many people in this world that everyone will have a different experience.
its not the ppl its the person its directed at see u see at as competitive and u don't take that as a insult to the game but other see compeative and they judge it as snoby and jerk like because they wanna win. id say u and I see it more the same competition is good in a game I wanna play against other ppl that wanna play and getting beter and winning when can is fun. but some ppl the ones that don't like the competitive players hate the winning aspect, which I don't really understand since the whole point of the card game is to get to the end to decide the winner. but look at the anime of yugioh even that is competitive to its core, right off the bat its who is the beter duelist
Yea I never got the deal with magic players hating on yugioh.
Simple. Its a parred down version of Magic that overtook the game in terms of popularity with the younger market demographic. Thus to a magic player like myself it comes across as almost predatory from a market standpoint & forces stores to compete for space and time.
Yugioh is not in and of itself a bad game, but sense its very existence acts as a foil to our hobby's well-being brand loyalty becomes all that more important to some. Think Coke vs Pepsi, or PC vs Console.
Now I don't agree with this behavior but I understand where it comes from.
my main issue with yugioh nowadays is that whoever wins the die roll is usually the one who wins the game since the game has devolved into making an unbreakable board and locking your opponent out of playing
yeah it's garbage, there's a reason why they banned yata
Infernities 2010: OTK your opponent by making unbreakable synchro boards
Infernities 2014: OTK your opponent by making unbreakable xyz boards
Infernities 2018: OTK your opponent by making unbreakable link boards
That's been my problem with the "official" YGO scene since I started playing the game back in the 5D's era. It's why I only ever played with my buddies in our "card-player" group, because until Grade 11 the strongest decks any of us had were Tier 3 Synchro/Xyz decks (which would be Tier 4 nowadays) and the occasional deck made mostly of banned cards which were broken, but not enough to be anything more than Tier 2.8.
Even when I was finishing up grade 10 and all through grade 11 when some of us started running archetype decks, our decks were never really above Tier 2.5. That fact made duels fun, dynamic, and interesting. More like two people fencing or swordfighting than a Wild-West type duel, which is where YGO is nowadays. (Literally think about it. Duels with Tier 1.9 and higher last less than 5 turns on avg...)
My biggest gripe with the pro scene has ALWAYS been that its not YGO anymore. It's not even a question of how you play your deck in the field now, its only how you build it. Once you build your deck you basically run it on autopilot and see whose deck is better. Kinda like two drivers racing on a track but not at the same time, they just set lap times and try to one-up each other by a few half-seconds. That may be fun or entertaining to hyper-competitive assholes but a guy like me who actually likes the LORE behind the cards and the story each person's unique deck tells (something that has always been big in the anime and used to be an actual thing irl...) finds that kind of thing extremely boring.
Sadly, I haven't found any YGO players that think the way I do and want to have fun and play YGO instead of just building YGO decks...so I stick to dueling myself and occasionally give someone else a chance to prove they actually want to have fun.
+IOSYS0406 thats the entire gimmick of infernities.
and also why nobody likes playing against them not because they are better its because the deck is fucking stupid
Anytime I say even the slightest thing about the card game that I had grown up loving, I get assaulted by toxic fans. I once shared a funny story of my first time returning in years to the game (I stopped slightly into the synchro era) about how my Toon deck couldn't do a literal thing against my opponents omni-negation effects even though it was the first turn of the duel on my turn. "I prefer playing slower formats" was in there and the sheer amount of hate I got for just that statement was astounding. "OH WELL DON'T PLAY TOONS THEN" "IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR EXPECTING TO WIN" "THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT PLAYING META" and my personal favorite "WOW WAY TO CRAP ON MODERN YU-GI-OH YOU LIKE SLOWER FORMATS THAT MEANS YOU HATE THE NEW FORMATS WITH A BURNING PASSION I'M GOING TO KEEP ACTING AS IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS THE WORST THING ANY HUMAN HAS EVER SAID EVER" and I just kept thinking "This is a childrens card game." That's why I always just play against A.I. on Yu-Gi-Oh programs (played so much Legacy of the Duelist Link Evolution I managed to get 3 copies of every card), I don't want to just spend 12,000 dollars on the same deck everyone else has only to lose right away anyways, I love the creativity that can arise from creating your own deck, like how my friend made a Frog/Frost Barrier deck. Wasn't good, but it was fun! Gave some of my decks trouble just because we don't play to win, but to have fun.
You know what? After seeing this video I should think about having fun in the game with a smile, is not that I was and had been a toxic player I never was one of them but I should be at least having fun whenever I win or lose. So thanks for the video, kudos.
Being honest here I'm also obsessed with winning some stupid card games rather than just having fun and smiling even though I lost the match.
I quit YGO For cardfight vanguard just because playing competitive YGO without spending 500$ every expansion is like taking a gun and shoot your legs, and the community was a freakin' cancer! It was like being at school with lots of bullies ready to destroy and joke you with no-skill decks.
At least with cfv i have a community who's friendly and there isn't a mononeta AND most important where you don't have to sell your organs every 2 months to play.
yugioh is a badly designed game, the fact it does not have a resource system unlike mtg or force of will makes it where it consists of nothing but turn 1 kill decks, whether or not its an otk or some stupid lock down or it could be even those stupid 8k burn turn 1 decks like trickstars, or they make you discard everything with a dumb combo, also games are too often decided in the opening 5 cards, yugioh was only okay when it was goat format, today its total trash, also the community is cancer. People only play that dumb game because of the anime and want to be yugi where they win all the time, not to mention konami decides to completely murder decks with the ban-list where they only need to be toned down a little not completely and utterly destroyed where those decks become trash, remember them doing that with shaddoll, that deck became unplayable after the construct ban.
You're a great man, Trump. ^
I spent 50 bucks on my deck and win a ton
@@voluntarism335 FTK, Handloops, and lockdown were 3 really minors strategies in yugioh, most of strategies where midrange aka polyvalent decks. Also trickstar wasn't an FTK and yugioh is by far the less luck-dependant mainstream tcg; the fact that there's no mulligan or equivalent in it says a lot of things, decks are build to be consistent even if they do open "bad cards" in their opening hands. The Shaddoll argument is pretty dull since Shaddolls continued to sees plays after construct bans
There are sections of popular YGO channels entirely dedicated to mocking new players. My approach to the game is building the dumbest and gimmickest decks that don't usually win but they're fun to see go off and fun to see them doing stuff and even when I win I get called "a scrub" and the deck gets called "garbage". I don't play the game to win, a lot of people just play YGO for nostalgia or fun and they get shit from the "real" players for playing the game by getting made fun of online.
You can't get into a game on any level higher than sandbox or schoolyard level without your opponent ridiculing you and trying to "fix" your deck (which involves throwing your cards out into the garbage bin and telling you to play X or Y deck), no matter if they win or lose.
Why should I get shit if a "good player" pays 6000+ life points for his plays and then gets owned by a Magic Cylinder or doesn't read what Zoma the Spirit does (because it's a "garbage card") and crashes into it with his stupid gimmicky Blue-Eyes fusion card costing him the game (actually happened)?
I used to play YGO seriously since around 2005 to 2012 but now I just play with my friends just for shits and giggles for exactly that reason. I've never seen an angrier bunch of losers who just won a game than in Yugioh. I mean who the hell flips out and starts berating someone they beat trying to attack them as a person, their decks and telling them what they should and shouldn't play? That's just if they win, don't even get me started on what happens if they lose. And the state is just getting worse...
I'm not sure if it's a problem with the game itself not being fun (very possible, it's called the "League" syndrome) or just with the kind of people it attracts but goddamn playing Yugioh with a stranger has never been a more repulsive experience than it is now...
It relates to "League of Legends" a remarkably popular yet just as frustrating game that lacks any fun, instead choosing to sacrifice it for the sake of forced mechanics that shove the game into verily painful frames where the developers do their best to control its state (an example would be if you could only play specific theme decks in YGO with no deck-building options available).
Because of the "no fun allowed" attitude and frustrating and boring game mechanics, the game creates a very toxic and aggressive fanbase which chooses to attribute the game's flaws that frustrate them solely to the fellow players as if they were some sort of Scapegoats, if you will (pun very much intended). The state of the game where the frustrating, restrictive and unfun status of the game creates a toxic, angry and hateful fanbase is called the "League" syndrome
I would play Yu-Gi-Oh if it wasn't so bad for money and community. I always had a bad experience with it. I've had bad experiences with Magic as well. But not nearly as much.
I had a similar experience on a custom card site called duel portal. Some people are toxic on duel portal.
I quit YGO because I burned out to whole "must win"-mentality that made it difficult for me to enjoy playing it and fact that Konami puts out more and more broken cares each set makes sure that it's more and more difficult for me to get back to playing it.
Yugioh decks are built to go first and set up a field that negates as many of your opponent's card effects as possible. Thus, the only one who has fun playing is the one who is winning; and the guy who is losing can't even play the game period; they usually just surrender and go to game 2. Yugioh is dog shit.
u must have gotten a bunch of trophies when u where young for just participating. fun is winning. whats fun about playing??? pretty sure the lets go out and ride on our bikes and play (when the word play means nothing other then dick around) losses its funness when ur 8 or 10 at tops unless u get a bunch of trophies for just participating. I didn't grow up in that era I grew up in the hey they won they got a trophy and are going out to pizza. the real world doesn't congratulate ppl that try they congratulate those that excel and win so why should the competitive side of a card game be any different if u wanted a safe place why not just play it with friends or at a card shop when there isn't anything to win.
do you know why world cup was so sough after? not because to have it, but it show how many effort you put into it, your dedicatione, your work. you wasnt chosen in the middle of a croud to have it, nor you cheat to have it. the same thing apply to yugioh, does it feel rewarding and fair to summon shooting quasar on turn one? a card only summon once in the anime that suppose to be a boss monster, not some level 4 monster. konami keep releasing theese op cards and further alianate the fan and what yugioh was and should be. is cards like ash blossom, a level 4 monster that negate cards effect withou setting, or link a bunch of monster availaible at all time that is generic and have ridiculous effect making a turn stretch into minutes, does any of those cards reward good deck buiding or outsmarting our opponent?
and does winning rewarded when you are lucky? does winning fun when your friend do all the work for you to win? does the world reward thieve for stolen our stuff then get away with it? there is a reason people fight people with the same skill with them. and does it fun to win when you dont enjoy the game? no, my answer to you stupid words is winning isnt anything when you dont put any effort whatsoever, a person might loose to a more experienced person but if that match was chalenging and fun then he will always come back to chalenge him, he gain not only experience, but happiness. that is why entertainment exist.
I don't have the Must win mentality. Try playing with me. It's much more relaxing.
@@soulsreaper7145 bruh you acting like yugioh is the nfl lmao relax
A friend of mine had been out of Yugioh for about a year. He came back eventually and he told me that he had a game with someone who was playing a Pendulum based deck. So I said: "How did it go?" He said: "Well he beat me in 2 turns and I didn't get much of a chance to do anything". However, the main thing is that he asked the guy, did you enjoy that? The guy said yes because otk styled decks is what he likes playing, which is fine there's nothing wrong with that. But it's the fact that my friend didn't even get a chance play his deck and it really makes me question Konami's sense of direction with Yugioh because how far has the game come to where a game can be over in the matter of a few turns.
At the very least with games like Pokemon, MTG and Vanguard it feels like you've actually played the game and didn't just watch someone play solitaire and beat you. Don't get me wrong, my friends and I still love playing Yugioh, but we don't bother with tournaments because they're just not enjoyable anymore. Instead we just play games with each other and anyone else who just wants to have some fun and have a bit of a laugh :P
Great video, well spoken. I have to agree with you on this. Eventhough I play Yugioh, I know what you mean.
theres plenty of different decks though that can entirely counter those quick win decks. yu-gi-oh isn't a super long passed game anymore its more quick and rough where u have to be ready from the beginning to stave off defeat
its broken for the fact that pendulum can summon infinite amount of monster withou any cons and have really cheap restriction
@ Tormentor285 Yeah, Yugioh duels went from being like swordfights to wild-west gunfights. I see very little difference between playing Call of Duty and Pro YGO nowadays.
+Abraham Flannigan
But some people aren't going to be able to though.
Your friend was probably playing an ass deck.
i quit because it wasn't fun and i didnt want to spend all my money on a deck
Ninja Toad Games the top deck in the tcg up until now has been ABC archetype and all the necessary cards are in the kaiba structure deck all you need is 3 at $10 a piece
but to do anything you also need a playset of Strikes, Desires Dimension Barrier, and an extra deck
I used to run ghostrick I like them
if u think that 40 bucks is a lot to stand a chance or to win u haven't ever played any other game since most of the rare magic cards are almost 80 bucks or more everytime and ppl that win at magic tournaments literally have 500 dollar plus decks. yu-gi-oh has some of the cheapest cards and the most possibilitys on deck structers that can actually win since there are so many different type of combos because of the way traps and magic cards work.
You probably didn't have good people to play it with or have fun people to trade with. I still play it, and have been 17 years.
Went down to Jacksonville once (I only live an hour away) and took a gravekeepers deck. Went undefeated because I was able to shut down the graveyards (which is a resource nowadays) and stopped everyone's combos. Got banned from the store. When I asked why they said "It's not fair to other players if you stop everything they do." Now I go to a different store.
Slayer Of Games i love gravekeepers!
"its not fair to other players if you stop everything they do"
that's literally what the game has devolved into, though. >__>
The irony is that the entire game now is to stop your opponent from playing in the first place
Still true years later.
The game has only gotten worse
“develop” the best strategy. Yeah. I guess brainlessly netdecking is the best strategy
Copying whatever deck is number 1 then ditching it when it gets nurfed,
@@theeternalslayer This is essentially why I quit YuGiOh as a competitive activity. It's not so much that you have to pay to win, but that you have to pay to win and leave genuine creativity at the door because Konami has built the metagame for you.
The people that play it can say it's "complicated" as much as they like as if that justifies the effort they've put into the game, but the truth is you can give a floaty, autopilot tier 0 netdeck to a random 8 year old who has a passing knowledge of the game and they could top cut easily at a YCS. I'm not saying it's a no skill game, but YGO is definitely a "low skill" game if you're throwing the money down on netdecks.
Should've just created individual cards not in the form of archetypes.
I mean, every yugioh top players create their own decklists, the only ppl maindecking are players online who want to learn how to play meta. Also copying the deck might be the first step, but learning how to play it is the 2nd and the hardest
@@criesinpoor1725 that wouldn't work either. Case and point the yata lock. Or tele-dad. The archetype route is great, but it's handled poorly when a Dark Magician support card is making another already broken deck even more broken. It would be nice if they gave people incentives to buy packs for support of their own decks instead of asking players to ditch their favorite deck and invest hundreds of bucks or even more in the latest ridiculous archetype or mechanics. The game is at its best when your trusty deck overcomes new challenges, not when you get the latest broken thing that walks all over everything else.
The yugioh community is as toxic as it is simply due to the amount of money people are throwing at it. Buying multiple boxes to make a decent deck just to lose anyway feels absolutely terrible and seeing someone succeed while not doing that makes you feel even more terrible. Not to mention the schadenfreude and confirmation in your beliefs when you see someone not playing meta get dumped on. Essentially, the investment is far higher than most games and yugioh ends so much more quickly that it puts down one's mood and shitty people thrive on it therefore spreading toxicity around.
How to fix it? Hmmm... (sees konami's brand) Nah... Impossible.
They fucked Metal Gear Solid Series, this game was so good it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to make shit but guess what.. THEY DID IT!
The anime side is what I don't like.
I don't like it when people are so biased with the Yu-Gi-Oh characters like "Oh Yusei is the best main protagonist cuz he never lost!" or "Soulburner's plot armour is so OP, I can't stand the guy" (even tho Yusei literally has the most OP plot armour, apart from Playmaker)
it used to be good... now I don't come clos to it, you still can find good people but damnnn there's a lot of toxic ass people
When you really think about it though, Yugioh is advertised to be extremely competitive. Even if you look at the anime, characters like Kaiba pretty much represent the community and is the poster child of the game. As for the game dying, yugioh has been very successful over the past year with some of the largest events in the game's history and a lot of my friends in college interested in the game again because of the diversity of the current game and the new legacy support. The game is starting to get a lot of mainstream attention too with the new movie coming out and the new app Duel links. I honestly can't see myself quitting this game anytime soon because I really do enjoy the game despite its flaws and have made a lot of friends within the community. And you can call me toxic but I do enjoy pulling off stupid fast combos and overwhelming my opponent at times. I've tried other card games including FOW but none have given me the same satisfaction as Yugioh. Sorry for the long post.
Also Yugioh is unique in its own way. No other card game is as fast as yugioh and can have as many combos. Also having the anime really does help and get you interested in multiple decks. If it weren't for Arc-V I wouldn't have discovered my favorite deck being D/D/D's and it feels great when I can make a really powerful board in one turn. My biggest complaint about yugioh outside of how expensive it is are the 1-3 deck formats as they do get really stale. I really enjoyed the past format since the last bandits because it was so diverse and gave many rouge decks a chance.
MediaFX100 Just play traditional its what i do standards a money pit
Konami does not support traditional as a real competitive format. If that doesn't tell you the game is just a cash cow pile of garbage, then you're a lost cause.
arma that isn't true u don't need all the new cards to win and there is no other game where u can have a real amazing mix of deck diversity and can still be competitive I have a self made dark deck that can go up against the best of the best of the fire decks or ice decks. my toon deck also smashes stuff
MediaFX100 Yeah. I'm using counter fairies right now. They arent super expensive and by no means are the best but if youre smart and play well, yiu can completely shut your opponent down.
This is the reason why I created BrewHouse. We were tired for the toxic force of will community and I expanded around the country. Our goal is to enjoy the game and love the community. We help each other and have each other's back. We are tired of the terrible people. I am glad you made this video. Every card game lover should watch this.
TeamBrewHouse US I certainly love this video, and agree completely! I always seem like I get punished just for using a deck with my favorite cards I love instead of cards that make you win, win, WIN!!! I get so angry not because I loose, but because all everybody can think about is winning and never about having fun with your favorite cards.
Where is BrewHouse Anyway?
TeamBrewHouse US I'm sorry but how can you have each other's backs in a card game? I think I know what ya mean but I just wanted to ask. Lol
I agree with you. Card games should teach people to relax and treat other people with respect and decency.
Yeah, definitely. Force of will is extremely toxic. Makes yugioh look half decent by comparison.
The big issue is that the toxic players are only further fuled on by the yugitubing community where most of them shit on the casuals and further encourage the competitve side.
I dunno, old Davinator was funny, and Rank10YGO is still great. Screw Dzeeff or whatever his name is and Farfa though.
Yeah Rank10 is a funny, but Dzeeff is one of the biggest elitist assholes I've seen on youtube
Comickid15 To be faie Dzeff has constantly mention he's not against a casual scene he just doesn't like when people make combo's or call something "OP" when in reality they aren't even. He bascially trys to inform casual players why cards are good or not good.
hey whats up
ImpendingGhost Look man, i like Dzeeff videos and i'm suscribed to him, but although he says that he's just trying to "teach" casuals, or help them to learn, sometimes he talks like if he's laughing at us (and i say us because i have no money to buy a competitive deck). Think about it, when he does videos about casuals, he talks about them in third person, talking "about them" instead of talking "to them". If your trying to teach someone something, you should talk to them and not expressing like if you were talking behind their backs
I played yugioh from elementary school up to a little after high school. I never felt like I fit in and I never got competitive enough until the end due to the cards being so expensive and the high turn over rate of the competitiveness of the cards. Buying good cards is a game in it of it's self. I recently went to force of will and wow I never knew card players could be so nice. Everyone is friendly with me and so many offer to give cards, help you out, and even spend the evening with you just trying to help you improve. This community is so good. There's still competitiveness but instead of being toxic, they're smiling and joking around instead of flaming. Not to mention the cards are cheaper and more of them are foiled. Plus the art is my favorite from any card game. If you're not playing it, I'd highly recommend it! :)
When you enter for a Yugioh tournament it's like being in war for real!!! i have awesome friends that play yugioh but yeah i prefer Pokemon
federico brandoli that is true
it's like an all-out war! with monsters that obey!
federico brandoli Pokémon so much better my husband plays Yu-Gi-Oh and I have a Yu-Gi-Oh deck in Yu-Gi-Oh
Is always Forbidding Yu-Gi-Oh cards for you to spend more money rebuilding our deck
iirc Shaymin-EX was pretty damn expensive, and in general Pokemon seems like a more expensive game to get into than Yugioh. Plus, set rotation gets rid of a lot more cards than the banlist.
As of late Pokemon (at least in my area) has gotten to a point where its almost as toxic (if not as toxic) as yugioh.
as a magic player, yugioh is like playing standard and standard exclusively. Also, more dragons.
WAAAAY more dragons lol
Yugioh has monsters that look like dragons but aren't dragons, and monsters that don't look like dragons but are dragons. See this glowing rock? this is a dragon, this old scroll? dragon too! here, take machines, rocks and water dragon looking monsters that aren't actually dragons, dragons for everyone! god I love the art direction of the game is the main reason I collect them no joke.
You try to make a argument about how a certain deck is op in the yu gi oh community. All you get back is skill issue or get guud scrub. Its like how is that helping anyone?
I quit Yugioh mostly because of my personal negative experiences.
Josh Dracoian baby come back!
I just started playing and I love it so much. I stay away mainly from locals tho. And play at school. I do hate the way they have the rarity.
rattrap0409 boy same
I don't blame you.
I've been playing YuGiOh for 7 years now. All competitive players are toxic (no exceptions, some just more or less so than others. I'm no exception at time's either). I have to constantly ignore other Extremely Toxic players and I always smile whether I win or lose. For me, it is no longer about the outcome, it is about the way the game plays out.
The unfortunate thing is that majority of YuGiOh players only play to lockout the opponents and create a gamestate where YOU CAN NOT PLAY.
Turn 1 boards are all about building a massive uncrackable board and saying "fuck you".
I hate that.
That's not a game, that's just being a Dick.
Konami does nothing to stop it either.
they've gotten lazy with even their banlists.
I should see if I can go sell my stuff for YuGiOh soon, narrow down my deck count. I only need 2-3 decks, but I have 14 and too much bulk. It's time for me to stop.
I no longer go to tournaments and have begun to move more towards MTG and FOW (trying to go primarily FOW).
Unfortunately, I know nobody who plays FOW as well, so it doesn't work too well.
I would settle with Playing some matches over Skype, but I know nobody who plays online either.
Please, contact me on Instagram if you play FOW and have access to Skype. I really want to get into the game.
My instagram is @PrincelyG_
(No, this is not a shameless plug, this is just me trying to reach out).
I wouldn't mind playing yugioh over skype because no stores in my city sell FOW cards and I don't like magic the gatheirng. Though I don't have skype and can't get it. I just realized this comment just got your hopes up for nothing.
Princely G u should start play pokemon tcg they have a rotation whuch allow for variation (even rouge decks can win easily in locals since pokemon local tournaments are about maybe 10games out of these 10 games you can luck out and even tier 0 decks (which only exist in expanded) can lose to friggin rotom deck! literally a full gimmick deck that focuses on free attacks and weakness explotation. also the priciest cards are either high rarity cards (but all of these have a common or rare print) so u dont have ro pay that much or are very old cards which dont see any play
Creating a pauper format/league fixes almost all these issues, it certainly did in Magic and Final Fantasy TCG. Let everyone play with commons, the average price for a great deck ends up between $20 and $50, and the serious competitive players can go play standard against other super competitive types.
A bit late, but I can confirm your experiences firsthand. The Yu-Gi-Oh! players at my local store ar constantly at odds with each other, arguing loudly and losing their composure very quickly. And they make a painstakingly precise business out of trading.
Here's my input on the situation with Yu-Gi-Oh!, though: I honestly think you're giving the competitive players too much credit. They often don't realize that they're being ripped off by Konami, since they often never tried other TCG's to see just how little they receive for their money.
The toxicity, and dare I say, outright hostility of some high-level players seems to revolve around a mix of pride and pressure. They take pride in understanding the meta and how to dominate it as well as their extensive collections, but at the same time, this pride leads them to believe that having the right cards means they are supposed to win, randomness factors be damned. And the need to reaffirm their purchase against others leads to great mental pressure.
They also calculate constantly, from the value of rare cards over the chances to pull certain cards from packs to the strengh of their deck in the current meta. But these calculations need constant reworks every time a new set releases, as the YGO meta constantly bounces around like a hyperactive kid full of sugar.
Now, of course I don't mean to debunk your thoughts on the matter, and I hope it doesn't come off as berating or somesuch. I do wanna provide a second viewpoint, though. Not because I disagree with your assessment, but because I want to add to it.
Good comment man, very insightful.
So I know this video is four years old but my problem with the game is the people with money always won and rubbed it in everyone's face so for the longest time, so I set out to make a old deck less then $100 and be able to beat those players after 7 years of perfecting my deck I did it but I never forgot where I came from when I won I said gg and was nice about it and told everyone as long as they kept trying and worked on their deck no matter what it was it'd eventually be as good as everyone else. But still the toxic players got mad that I didn't spend the money and cause my $100 deck beat there $600 deck they were pissed they would rage quit all together walk out. And still no matter how nice I am to people or how positive I try to make everything, just cause the community is so toxic and I refuse to be like that it's no fun anyone. People cause issues at tournaments that I just don't wanna show up anymore I still like the game but when every game I'm getting told by players "you're the reason stuff gets banned" it gets annoying to the point where I don't even wanna show up cause I don't wanna be the reason people get angry
cybernight is indeed a cinnamon roll
Why not a cinnamon waffle
I quit YGO more than 10 years ago, and haven't looked back. I do like watching Yugitubers and seeing the state of affairs in the game along with other TCGs. Out of the big 3, seems like Pokemon is doing the best as it isn't rife with all the controversy that's befallen MTG or YGO.
Yeah got into magic and its sucks that you have to have 75+ just to have a winning chance. But the people at my school or at my lgs are really nice. Except for about 4 assholes but thats it.
Starting Game: Magic the Gathering
Other games: Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon, Legend of the Five Rings, Quickstrike, Netrunner, WoW TCG, Spoils TCG, Force of Will (in that order).
MAGIC: I will always have a soft spot for this game in my heart as I got started back in 1997. I was about six when the set Mirage came out. My dad taught me to play MTG. So I also have a soft spot for the Mirage Block. This also back when MTG was much complicated than it is nowadays. The community is a mixed bag, however its mostly been nice folks I have met in person.
Yu-Gi-Oh!: I started picking this game up awhile after being taught MAGIC as it was a popular thing on the schoolyard. The latest set was Legend of the Blue Eyes, very few monsters with effects and fusions were a thing. It was simplistic compared to the previous game but it was fun. The community was nice from what I noticed but I remember stopping around the GX era. When I briefly came back during the tail end of the ZEXAL era, I was frankly disgusted with the speed and complexity of the game.
Pokemon: Compared to Yu-Gi-Oh!, learning this was even easier. I like this game, I would like to participate more, but as an adult I would feel a bit out of place. It also doesn't help I remember being peer pressured into handing over some of my cards by some of the neighbor kids on my block.
Legend of the Five Rings: I remember discovering this late one night on the internet. It was oriental in nature as it was samurais, kami, ninjas, bushido, trade, politics, etc. While some of its mechanics I had trouble wrapping my head around as they were quite different, it was a very fascinating and different game. The players were very nice and helpful, we even got to choose foils each week.
Quickstrike: I saw this game back when there still Blockbusters. Its a card game that used different IPs for the artwork and names but the mechanics were the same. So you could have a three-way battle between a Pirates of the Caribbean deck VS a Avatar: the Last Airbender deck VS a Shaman King deck. Nobody played this game from what I found.
Netrunner: The game is definitely designed around two players. It was also neat as you either played as the hackers or the corporation. The goal was for the hackers to steal from the corporation while the corporation tried to keep you out and reach its own victory condition. As it sounds, its very much an asymmetric game.There are a pocket full of people but they are nice enough.
Wow TCG: It was a cool game while it lasted that I took the time to learn. It had a neat mechanic where you could play cards from your hand face down to act as neutral resources. This is one of the few communities I didn't meet up with as it is a shame that Hearthstone killed it.
Spoils TCG: A defunct card game now. It was created by a couple of pro players from MTG who took their winnings and made their own card game. It was a more adult card game in that it had sexual innuendos, cartoony gore, loony toons humor, etc. Despite the nature of this card game, people were surprisingly polite and welcoming.
Force of Will: It was easy enough to grasp the rules for me when I first started with my past experience in card games. I picked up a starter and spruced it up so it was a bit more playable. The players seemed nice enough but I was not enthusiastic about coming around again. As apparently they were playing an extended format and I later learned I got destroyed by Faeries and Baha-Blast. Plus it didn't help that bus took a couple extra hours to show up, so I didn't want to stay for longer than I needed to on Sundays. I also couldn't really get into the deckbuilding process as the card pool, at least to me, seemed very limited in options on how to make a deck.
I love the irony in how Takahashi based Kaiba on a toxic overly competitive player he met as an example of what not to do, and his manga ended up creating a community of Kaibas
Personally, I don't think YuGiOh is that bad community wise. I'm not denying that there are toxic people in it, because fucking hell there are some absolute bastards in the community. But I come from what is considered to be one of the more competitive areas in England yet not once have I come up against any toxic people. Yeah there are some obnoxious people but none who spew out absolute hate for people who aren't on the same level that they are. I have found that the anonymity that the internet provides brings out the worst in communities and that's what I've found with YuGiOh. The online YuGiOh community is so very toxic and full of hyperbole and just people in general getting at other people's throats for either not playing meta or not being "creative".
The thing with booster boxes and best cards that are hard to pull is that Konami of Europe & America short prints the cards like awfully a lot. In Japan this is so different and cards are way easier to get not to mention cheaper.The thing is that TCG sucks ass compared to now. Nowadays Structure decks are really good so if buy 3 of those you're good to go.
I'm from Brazil, and the community TCG yugiho here is FUCKIN TOXIC!
Yugioh is beyond toxic
i had this with MTG players it put me off but i found yugioh players very welcoming but i may of been just very lucky
baldbookgeek yugioh players where I love are nice too. The only one who annoys me is my best friend. Haha.
Commander is real casual. Every other format is toxic
You were lucky my yugioh league not so friendly. They like to talk about people’s deck behind their back saying to their friends. I just beat a noob so easily, the guy sucks. Wasn’t my back but I heard players say that a lot
In my experience the YGO community is more easy going.
Granted my experiences come from Reddit so might not be accurate.
I think it can be both depending on where you live. I've experienced both but Yu-Gi-Oh sometimes seems worse.
as a dude whos played this since 2003, i can confidently say, its always had toxic players and cheaters and whiners. some cool ppl here and there, but mostly jerks who stole cards and ripped off kids. truth bomb
Here with magic is like that.
Half of the experienced players help beginners, half judge them and are toxic as fuck.
I worked at a comic/game shop from 2013 to February 2018 and I'm a former player and everything you've said is true, we flat out ended yugioh tournaments just before pendulum summoning, two or three potatoes (my friend/bosses term for the toxic crowd) clean sweeping tournaments every week people stopped playing sales of boosters dropped, toxic asshats had to be told to leave the shop for trying to tradeshark the singles counter, and eventually yugioh was flat out discontinued we ended up donating several booster boxes to a school fundraiser as a tax write off because even marked down to $1 a pack boosters weren't selling.
Coming to this video 3 years late, I'm honestly surprised. Mainly because I've played Yugioh online and I've played Magic Arena, and MTG Arena seems to have the exact problems you described here whereas Project Ignis (new version of YGOPro) and Dueling Nexus all seem to have a lot of people who are just there to have fun. I think the problem isn't the yugioh community but more the yugioh league play. A large portion of the community is online and it's honestly pretty great from what I've seen
My time on Nexus was so so. But tbh, yugioh elitesist and toxic people are no worst then other other fandoms. Tho, I do agree with this video
I'm part of the Cardfight Vanguard community and I can say for absolute certainty that my local card shop community is amazing. They helped me and my friend build 2 of the strongest decks at the time, "DOES ANYBODY HAVE EXTRAS?!" And a crowd was formed just to help us and I can proudly say I've paid it forward giving my cards away to the new and less financially-able cardfighters. That includes an entire deck.
Cardfight is probably the best TCG
I gave up on yugioh because I once got scammed for a small amount of cash and gave negative feedback on the scammer, but just got ironic critic and bashed for me falling for the scam and everyibe pretty much just congratulated the scammer for managing to scam. Terrible community that sucks. There is no reason for you to want to be part of this cancer, trust me.
I will always love Yugioh. But the community that I used to go to, are toxic as hell. So I stopped and now I just help my friends build up a good deck so we can all enjoy a good laugh and some casual fun.
There are definitely A LOT of players in yugioh who are overly serious and don’t seem to have fun with the game. They only care about winning and love to trash “scrubs” who don’t use the most expensive cards. Of course this can also be said about most card games. I have found the community very welcoming, very generous when helping new/returning players get cards, and very patient with helping people better themselves
When I played competitive YGO at my locals, it was split into 3 groups. The first group is mainly people who like to play janky decks and are there to have fun, the second group is with people who play competitive decks, but are still chill and then you have the third group which take the game way too seriously and spend shitloads of cash to optimise the best decks and are extremely toxic.
I was basically in the second group, sure I played competitive decks, but I was also there to enjoy the game. Nowadays with how the current game is like and how yugioh has became less enjoyable to me, quitting the competitive scene was a good choice, however I still play the game with friends if I get the chance as personally I think it's game that's best enjoyed with a casual mindset rather than a competitive one.
I can agree in the point that Konami has skewed its players into numbers without any regard for balancing the game. It has gotten so deep that people complain when i say. "that card is 40$!? hell no! I am gonna buy the OCG counterpart for a much affordable price!" and they laugh and refuse to play me even with sleeved cards in a way that you can't tell which card is just because the card is in Japanese and the English version is already out there. Took me 8 months to play Dracossack just because it was Japanese and because its OCG its irrelevant to them. I refuse to pay 200$+ for a game that i am playing for fun and not to compete. In contrast, i started FOW and with less than 40$ I got a Shion deck a Lunya starter deck and a Mikage deck and that gave me options to play really fast, you can't do that with yugioh anymore.
True dat man. The worst part is its hard to find players who just want to relax and play YGO like you might play poker or bridge or some shit. Seems to me like EVERYONE wants to blow countless dollars on a boring-looking deck that might win.
"Stop giving Konami money until they get better! By giving Konami more money, you basically saying that they're doing a good job. But they didn't."
Yugioh isn't played for fun anymore. You either play to win or you're wasting your time. It's not just that the fanbase is toxic, it's that there's no joy in the game unless you play strictly to win.
A week ago I went to my locals to "try" yugioh again and on my first match the guy saw the first cards I played and called me a scrub. I saw everyone playing expensive meta tier decks and I still came in first. I'm not saying it's this bad everywhere but it seems it is. For just wanting to give it another chance I said nope. It's not worth the time cuz of all the asshats I met that day.
Naxiro Dark i think he lied
hes trying to get in ur head, that's what real competitive games work. if u wanna play a game where ur opponent gives u a hug after then go play princess fairy time. while the rest of us take down our opponents in a grueling battle
I played an Incomplete Pendulum Magicians Deck And even with a completed one the result is always 2 wins 2 losses by local tournament end. The people there are very nice and generous to me.
Joel Gawne Hey, people are allowed to have pride! It’s not like I go around saying I’m the best in the entire game.
@joel gawne if someone has a well put together deck that they worked for hard for yes I would exspect the person to be proud of themselves some of us have self asteem and don't feel that losers should get a trophy just like winners. your the exact person that loses then stands in the corner all night with a blank stare thiking about ways you will get back at them but never do because one sharp movement and your ashma will put you down
i agree with this video. now i still play the game, but its pretty cancer
i'm a child myself (13) and i can play decks that aren't 60 card beatdown.
tbh i go in with dread too. i play aquaactresses and dinomist gadgets. Now that doesn't mean i don't kick meta ass every once in a while, but i don't have the money to get cards because obviously i can't get a job. and people judge me also because i 13, and even if people handshake its not firm. Overall the community is judgemental. and of course toxic players use that dumb tier system. i could fuck up abcs, with aquaactress. the aquaactresses literally aren't even known or are considered garbage. if you want to go see the replay its on my channel, not trying to advertise it but its proof.anyways thanks for reading my paragraph
SharkMachineGun 2247 Puch the assholes and run 😂 If u really can't take it just play with your friends or if they don't play convince them to play. Also if you want to play for fun but not get called a scrub or whatever just get 3 structure decks put them together and if anybody comments just say fuck you I don't have shitty macdonald salaries to spend into the game. Hope I helped in some way or at least made you laugh.😜
I am 14 and I will never stop playing monarchs (I've played using monarchs as long as I've played the game). I started playing yugioh when my grandpa gave me a yugioh and a pokemon deck, I wasn't super into either and sadly lost the Monarch structure deck fairly soon, but I loved the artwork (especially card trooper because I was 6-7 and he resembled a toy I has so whenever I used him I would place the toy on top of the picture (Not gonna lie I cheated and put him on the top of my deck each duel) I later played every variation of monarchs each year after that, and was ecstatic when Monarchs became meta because I already had alot of the right cards. Needless to say I bought 3 of the monarch structure deck and still will not abandon Monarchs, not even for True-Draco/King.
@@lizard424 damn how did you feel after konami murdered monarchs
wow you must be a smart kid if ur 13 and play well, your very young
Bang, exactly why I quit.
As a veteran yugioh player, I can confirm that the community is super toxic in yugioh. There seem to be far more toxic yugioh players than any other card game I've played in my entire life.
Then it doesn't help that Konami can't seem to balance out its own game. They literally short print all of the needed cards for every deck.
Then, every new meta deck out ranks all the old decks and makes them completely obsolete.
Then, the players, in general, are garbage human beings and refuse to offer a helping hand to new players. They are so miserable that they call each other names and insult each other if they start losing.
I agree with everything you mentioned here. I think every single yugioh player should stop buying cards and give Konami a statement that they need to be better. Knowing Konami they'd probably just shut the game down and stop printing cards.
I haven't bought card packs In awhile for yugioh and have only bought decks and deck cores from secondary sellers where Konami doesn't get shit from the purchase.
I haven't attended a tournament in years because the community is toxic asf. Shit they litterally will steal your cards and even go so far as destroy your deck so you can't play.
The last tournament I went to I showed a guy my deck, he didn't like it, ran off with my deck and damaged the cards to the point to where they were unplayable.
Card shop owners hate yugioh players, and many have stopped holding yugioh tournaments. Because of theft, players disrespecting each other, property damage, and leaving their trash everywhere. Especially here in Vegas.
Idk what the hell is wrong with a game that was built on the idea of friendship and togetherness, got turned into this. Something needs to change. At this point I'm just waiting for the game to die.
Honestly yugioh is the most fun when you gather with a bunch of friends interested in the game, everyone gets a starter deck or structure deck and maybe a few booster packs and you just play for fun! The old format of yugioh is also, in my opinion much better. After syncros the game stopped being fun and it got too complicated for a "childrens card game". If y'all wanna play yugioh, but don't like the community (for the reasons stated in the video) you can just play with friends or even family and have the best time of your life.
Serious question: do you think the glamorizing of a character like Seto Kaiba, representative of competitive players that only care about power and winning, has a psychological impact on enough of the player base to make it more common to behave or act similar?
compounded with all the other manipulations that konami pulls, could it be that players are encouraged to be more toxic by stylized example?
It's not only in locals, I was in a tournament in discord chat and when I won a duel against a 25 yo guy that was using tier 1 deck with cyber dragons he started insuling me and blamed me for his loss saying that I got lucky, he bricked etc. This forced me to leave that tournament because I realized ppl are not having fun playing yugioh anymore.
Yugioh's core problem is the lack of secondary formats.
If you lack casual formats or formats that requires different skill sets than only one meta will ever occur; & if that meta is built solely on the most expensive cards in the most recent set than you have a market driven, bottom dollar wins, corporately controlled format.
MTG's version of this is legacy.
Legacy is fucking madness with people playing thousand dollar decks that put even the most auto-play repetitive deck in Yugioh to shame.
Guess why I don't play legacy? Cause Commander is a thing.
I play Magic: the Gathering now compared to Yu-Gi-Oh back in the OG days. Even back then, the community was "You must be this rich to win" when I went to a small event at my local comic shop.
Even at 26 years old, when I stepped into the card shop, getting ready to check out magic, the employees at the card shop AND the other players of magic got super hyped and gave me about, oh... ten decks under $100 dollars I could buy and do well with? They were super nice and ran me through the rules and it's sparked my love of TCGs again.
I remember opening so many packs of cards of Yu-Gi-Oh and just sitting there like. "...What am I doing? I wasted my money" and that was coming from someone who played Warhammer 40k table top.
Yeah.
Yu-Gi-Oh will always have a special place in my heart, but if you want a, still toxic at times, but friendly, geeky game to get into? I recommend Magic or Pokemon.
I don't have any experience with yu-gi-oh tournaments and leagues but in my 8th grade year I hung out with what you could call the nerds, their were 4 who played yu-gi-oh (I had never really gotten into it, but they got me into it and I realized that I watched a lot of yu-gi-oh on tv without knowing it when I was young and the game quickly won me over, now I'm in high school and we all went our separate ways. We all had lots of fun dueling between classes and whenever we could. It was fun because we were already friends and didn't really get mad at each other ever (except for when I had to limiter removals in my hand, even though you are only allowed 1in a deck) so I think the solution to doing is, as you have said stop buying cards, but you should BE FRIENDLY and lead by example, be the player that that you want to play with.
"Konami rewards toxic players for winning."
Not really. The best thing a person gets for winning a lot in Yugioh is usually a playmat or something.
I don't particularly agree with most of what you said here. Yugioh may be a pay to win game, but if you are a casual player who plays "fun decks" then why should that be an issue? You can't expect every deck to be equally good.
If you enjoy playing the game casually, feel free to do so. But if you're upset because your rogue deck isn't winning as much in actual competitive environments, well that's just your fault.
Side note: Compared to other games, Yugioh is incredibly cheap. Sure it's expensive to get a top tier regional topping deck, but for local or casual play one can literally just drop 30 or so dollars on whatever structure deck is doing well at the time (Monarchs and Dinos being prime examples)
MrOverAnalyzer that's not the point on the video. It's the attitude of the Super Competitive players
Competitive players are full of absolutes. Good example is Deseff Basically taking the piss out of every casual player EVER! Referring to people he considers bad as "Casual"
Laurence Crane completely agree
Laurence Crane Laurence Crane Laurence Crane I'm sorry but that's completely wrong 90% of the time. You people forget the game has gone through different formats and yugioh has been cheap or more expensive depending on the formats. In fact the 200th YCS completely goes against nearly everything you just said. You don't have to constantly be hooked up on what's new unless you're trying to get back into yugioh. Also Dzeeff has matured and taken a lighter approach to this kind of stuff, detailing why somethings don't work and such. If anything it's people like you that spread this kind of message trying to speak on behalf of seemingly everyone (that's what I get from you're comment, feel free to correct me if you want) and before you even say that otk/one turn kill decks take up the entire game, the best deck in the current format of October 2018 is pure sky strikers, a control deck.
@@johnwhittington2998 dzeef admitted finally that it's a problem and doesn't see yugioh surviving in the future if these problems aren't fixed. The biggest one being firewall dragon allowing you to quick effect its links to your hand allowing you to ftk basically saying yugioh is only fun if you get to play a card
imo i play magic, yugioh, and force of will. and tbh its something you just cant avoid. toxic players are in every community and litterally anyone can make the same video about each and every TCG. i will say force of will so far has the best community and pokemon YES i think that to. but ive also had the same experice in the yugioh and now all of use are good friends.
good video btw and good points, not knocking on your video at all. but i once you watch other youtubers clam there toxic experience in other tcg communities, it just becomes a "hate fest" inside a card game and it shouldnt be like that. other wise id play call of duty and see how many people apparently knows my mom lol.
Ok, well you're wrong lol.
I wonder what happened to the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh, I should wiki about it.
For me? I stopped playing the game when the entire thing became Special Summon: The Game.
I think duels are spend 80% shuffling the deck over and over now.
in a culture based on greed how can anyone be shocked that greed IS the standard???
Another problem with modern day Yugioh is the lack of creation in the decks people use anymore.
I remember back in the Yugioh Club I attended to when I was 12 - the dawning of the Synchro Era - while there were people that shared similar archetypes to the decks they used, all of them didn't use the same copy/paste system to their designs as modern day decks do. Most of said decks being built by their players for fun, not to win.
I got back into Yugioh after a 3 year hiatus when I was 18, and to say that I struggled to adapt to the new system from the Xyz Era and Pendulum Eras are an understatement. As now everyone is using the best decks for competitive plays. As I'm still liking to use decks that revolve around my personal tastes in what catches my eyes - such as Ancient Gears, Red-Eyes, The 5 Signer Dragons, etc.
ANd while this may sound like a very stupid idea, but one thing that COULD help with fixing the playstyle is by removing the forbidden listing, and putting the cards on the forbidden list into the limited listing. As while there are cards there that could make things worse, there are also plenty of cards that do have the potential to provide more balance between the main three types of players you mentioned. From the kids that don't know what they're doing and don't have the resources, the medium players that want to have fun, and as a means to help punish the toxic players that take 10-15 minute turns of endless combos to play a game mat that you have no means in overcoming.
The latest tournament I went to last year I was up against this one guy and on his first turn he didn't finish for at least 10 MINUTES!!! In order to play a game board that no matter what I did when my turn finally came around, there was nothing I could do to over power him. Which for a card game like Yugioh, that is far to long for a healthy environment.
It also helps to mention that back in the club I went to when I was 12, the owner of said club didn't follow the official rules that most modern day tournaments followed. The only rule being that you needed your deck to be between 40-60 cards, and the forbidden list didn't exist. Which promoted the players there to be more creative and patient in their strategies since cards like Heavy Storm, Giant Trunade, Cyber Jar, and Chaos Emperor Dragon were allowed to be used in the games he held.
We need a new community for Duel Monster just to have fun like the anime, game shouldn't be about good or bad decks.
your statements are very true but I have experienced magic players being a little rude too, not as bad as yugioh but still. I believe it's due to the fact that the game is very expensive. spending over 1000 dollars on a deck and then losing is not healthy.
magic decks cost way more then yu-gi-oh ecspecially the winner decks. but unlike in magic u can make a cheaper deck in yu-gi-oh then can still smash on magic decks u just have to have a knowledge of what u wanna build and what cards and effects will really amplify that play style
+Soulsreaper Yeah but the ever changing rules, mechanics, meta, and production of cards end up making some Yugioh decks surprisingly expensive for competitive plays.
I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh! when they introduced synchro monsters and other new game mechanics, it wasn't my game anymore.
The reason the MTG community is better is simple, honestly: The game itself is more mature. The artworks, the rules, the strategy and tactics, the pacing, all of it. YGO! is inherently juvenile, full of childish artworks and ridiculous rules, effects and playstyles (it's downright broken nonsense nowadays), so it attracts younger and/or more juvenile people than MTG, which is inherently more mature, so it attracts more mature people.
That ended so abruptly
My story is I play for fun & like you grew up with yugioh from 4kids onward till today. At my locals I called judge on someone who refused to remove kaiser coliseum in a tournament & of course I was ignored. Also recently my own friends even became toxic. One moment they looked up to me for rulings the next I’m a cheater for misplaying for once. They acted like judge, jury & executioner by scolding me/patronizing me like a child despite them not being in the position to do so & the hypocrisy of them misplaying similarly past/present yet, they took the self righteous douchbag moral high ground.
This is why I collect only old school duel monsters cards!
You didn’t bring up the real core of the problem and it has nothing to do with yugioh but another Business Konami works in. Konami is a massive corporation with many branches one of the biggest is their gambling games branch for things like pochingco machines. Konami unlike Nintendo treats their child’s card game as an extension of an adult branch.
I entered into a Yu-Gi-Oh league once before, and it was bad not only cause of the toxic players, but because it legit did't have players to start the league. Still love playing Yu-Gi-Oh casually, though.
I see yugioh as a turn three game by the end of 2018, if it does not kill it's self by then. I refuse to play the game because of how fast it is. Heck, in one of the latest world or national championships, we literally had: shuffle: draw hand: concede from player x. Shuffle: draw hand: play five minutes: concede from player y. Shuffle: draw: concede from one of them. It was horrible to watch. I was literally physically ill. I refuse to buy yugioh product, attend events, or play the game in any amount. And duel links looks horrible, though better than the actual tcg.
Welp, it's the last week of 2018, and you were spot on. Except of the game killing itself though. Yugioh will never kill itself because the people invested in it have addiction/mental troubles and will never leave.
So there's absolutely no way that you can be a decent human being AND good at the game?
All I got out of this is if you have money and win, you're toxic. Thats simply not true.
I played for a bit back in the day, quit for a while, and then got back in it again. I just duel people for fun and I don't really get upset when I lose. If you every dueled me and win, I'd congratulate you. If you won by using Cyber Dragon Infinity, then your ass is getting Force Choked
This aged well
Their role model is Kaiba.
This is why YGOpro is so great
In Pokemon, quite a few strategies can work, and traiding can be easier because anyone can get a good card that another person wants in a pack or two.
In Magic, you can make a decent deck by literally going into the trash on Saturday, plus there's so much more potential for free cards.
In Yugioh, there's only one way to play: kill as soon as possible. You can find a list of cards and a set of instructions online and be assured that you will win 85% of the time, and traiding/buying is near impossible and pointless because competitive usage and card value will be decreased to 0 next month.
Yugioh has a community that will yell at you for not playing a meta deck if you are playing an odd set of cards. This happened to me because I have a deck that doesn't follow a specific archetype, and does well; they didn't want my deck list to test to see if my claims were possible. The guy just said that anyone who gets some of their life points taken by me is a bad player.
What you said about the toxic players having dominance is true, I knew a toxic yu-gi-oh fan from high school, who would tease me because of my short height, and treat me like shit with those insults, and even try to separate me from a friend JUST BECAUSE OF MY FUCKING HEIGHT. God I hated him so much.
Not every yugioh player who is competive is toxic