G9ii vs OM1ii Which Micro Four Thirds Flagship is BEST (for you!)
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Here are my thoughts on both of the current micro four thirds flagship cameras. This is all my opinion, and your milage may vary! This video is long so use the timestamps to navigate:-
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00:00 my experience with both cameras
00:50 price comparison as of now
01:22 form factor thoughts
03:29 photo quality outside of burst modes
04:28 dynamic range boost pixel peeping
06:40 g9ii sensor and rolling shutter
07:50 om1ii sensor
08:25 raw file sizes and fundamental differences
09:06 14 bit raw files (actually brilliant)
11:25 computational features
12:25 focus stacking
13:08 stabilisation
14:40 burst modes
17:29 burst mode demonstrations
19:45 real world burst mode chat
20:48 summing up my findings on burst modes
25:12 video comparisons
26:25 subject detection comparisons
29:21 sooo which is best?!
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I appreciate this is a long one! Feel free to skip around using the chapters and timestamps in the description 😊 as always, i welcome your thoughts!
I was literally going to figure out how to tweet or email you this video idea last night, but I eventually decided against it...think I've been spending too much time on CZcams.
just a small remark... The G9ii has 16bit raws. So not an advantage of the OM1ii on that.
@chcomes I mentioned below, in my research, I believe (or the forum nerds - my heroes! Believe) that it's just a 16 bit container for the information, and not true 16 bit. It needs this extra bit depth to store the dynamic range boost information, but it isn't a "proper" 16 bit file in actuality. (This is all going off the people who thoroughly test these things, I wish Lumix would explain it properly, as if it is a proper 14 bit file, even, that's something to shout about)
@@MicroFourNerds Ah that's half answered my comment just made lol! Adobe Bridge and RawDigger though both report the actual bit depth at 16bit. They do the same for my G9 files and the GX9 files. It actually reads the files as 16 bits per sample. So I'm not 100% sure if the 'container' thing is accurate. Any chance you could do side by side comparisons of the raw files, the raw files in each hi-res mode too?
I'll try to ask at next Lumix Live, but since you're in contact with them please also ask them to add S9's airplane detection to G9II since they were able to do it from G9ii to S5II. Maybe also add mammals separate from birds?
I’m a semi-retired fashion/beauty photographer and have been using full frame and medium format for years. Today, I still have a medium format system, but I mostly use M cameras and lenses for personal fun. Nevertheless, every now and then you want something more versatile and with AF.
In 1974, my father bought me an OM-1. I guess he was fed up with lending his precious M4 to a 12-year old. Two years ago, I bought a new OM-1 with the 12-40 Pro lens for my daughter’s 21st birthday. She loves that camera and the images are gorgeous. The result for me was that I’ve fallen in love again with M43. I just bought the OM-1 MkI. Simply because it’s the last OM-1 with the name Olympus on the front. Now I have the first OM-1 (still works great) and the last one, side-by-side on my desk. I admit, it’s a bit of a strange reason, but every time I pick up my new OM-1, I experience the joy of a life-time of photography.
Wow! Das klingt nach einem ganz wunderbaren Gefühl. 😊
Right there with you!
This is probably the most balanced Lumix vs. OM flagship comparison I have ever seen from you. Great job!
Recap :
G9II
_better resolution
_better colors
_better DR
_betrer stab (the best today I guess !?!)
_far better video
_better muscle memory for buttons
_faster burst (longer buffer)
OM1 II
_far better buffer
_longer burst
_better focus stacking
_better pre shoot
_better computational features
_lighter file size
_less rolling shutter
Thanks for the summary!
Thanks for the great review MFN
I can see use cases for the OM1II, but G9ii is the better allrounder. A bit worried for future that OM is not a generation ahead.
@@mipmipmipmipmip Perhaps you could expand on what you think a "generation ahead" would look like? Personally, I don't see any dramatic improvements possible to flagship cameras other then at such time as there is a breakthrough in sensor technology. Otherwise, we'll be seeing incremental refinements.
Better grip on the OM. Must be really good because I've always found my G9 to be the most comfortable of any camera I've ever used.
To me OM System does what made M43 so fun and unique, they lean into the technology and computational aspect! The system has been the leader in such things for a long while and Panasonic has kind of stopped doing that, with their M43 cameras just being their ff cameras, but with a different sensor. I hope we get more of that with new OM models!
To me Panasonic does what made M43 great for me. I started with the GH5 because it had the best video specs at that price point and great stabe. And now i have the G9II and it has improved in all the things i needed, more mega pixels, better auto focus and better low light performance. So i guess we can love M43 in each our own way :)
I still keeping M1x though. The flagship of its own category.
The older 20mpix sensor has lower native ISO, but I was able to get incredibly good color reproduction with white balance calibration.
A great video with superb explanation that is clear and precise covering the important points and differences of each camera. Many thanks for making this video Emily along with all your others.
I really get so much from your videos. When you do express your opinion, you explain why you've come to it, which reminds me of my agency to come along with you. Or not. Thankyouthankyou!
I'm mostly shooting birds and have a barn full of Zuiko lenses, so yes -- I'm delighted with my OM-1. When I shoot non-birdy things, the OM-1 does just fine.
And a few months ago I bought an Olympus PEN-F, for those times when I really need a nice piece of jewelry on the street. (I don't mean to remind you of a painful bit in your past (selling a PEN!) I'm reiterating your point that photography can be fun even without the latest greatest most up to date wizardry.
Thank you sincerely!
Dont need new gear but i watch all of these for your photography and to see where m43 is going tech wise. Beautiful work
This is the best comparison video between theese two cameras I´ve seen so far. Well done!
Wow, what a detailed and practical comparison. Not seen any other comparison and analysis that is so balanced. You really know these cameras. OM Ambassador and LUMIX Ambassador badges in the post!
Thanks so much!! I really appreciate that 🙏
I have to agree. One of, if not the, best camera comparison videos I've ever seen.
I have been checking your videos for a bit longer than a week when I started to get into micro four thirds (not leaving Full Frame, just want something more portable and still at a higher level), and I really want to thank you for being so authentic and engaging. You really know how to make sense of the system for your audience. 🙏 Thank you
Thanks so much! So glad you've found my videos helpful
Great video, as usual! I rented the G9 II hoping to have that be my "tele" setup alongside my S5 II which I use for wide-to-normal work. Your observations about the buffer, to me, speak to how the OM-1 is just a better architected, higher spec'd and ultimately more "professional" camera. I don't see the G9 II (or S5 II) to be "flagship" cameras - and I think that's reflected in their (very fair) price points. They're great cameras, but once I got the OM-1 Mark II I thought "this is it" all the basics work very well, it wakes up faster, moving between modes is faster, rating/selecting is faster, etc. It just "feels" like more of a professional tool to me. Add the computational modes and it's a no brainer for me. Crossing my fingers for an L-Mount version!
One of my favorite videos…and I don’t own either camera! Nicely done! Plus I add my vote for more ‘small’ m43 cameras (I see other comments in that regard)!
As always, great comparison. A brand ambassador we can trust. Much appreciated!
You can’t trust ambassadors. There shills even if they’re not trying to be.
Loved hearing your opinion on these. It is so close I think regardless of which way you go you'd be happy with the result at this point.
Excellent video.Thank you! Have a wonderful time in beautiful surroundings!
Nicely done and thorough. Thank you. I rarely do video, so "simple" video is all I need. I love the OM System computational modes for all kinds of shooting. I recently upgraded from the E-M1 mkiii to the OM-1 mkii. Simply impressive! The G9 mkii was tempting, but I chose the OM-1 mkii. I also have an OM-5, which I love. As you say, both the G9II and the OM-1 II are stellar. Can't go wrong with either.
Great one Emily, good to see another comparison. Both are great in different areas and both are capable.
Thank you! Yes I agree 100% right tool for the right job 😊
Cracking video. Really enjoy all of your videos. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Emily, another great video, I bought the G9II and use mostly Olympus lenses as I prefer the look more but I have lenses from both, I use it most for video but I'm taking photos too so I'm in love with my G9II 😊 Cheers!
Thanks for this! I'm in no shape to go flagship but I love your reviews and wish more than anything I had seen them when I was first shopping. I should have gone M43 from the beginning.
You are so good at nature photography! I'm always so impressed by that.
Emily, this is the best gear review video I think you've ever done. I say that because you have done a fantastic job of accurately and objectively describing the differences between these two amazing cameras in meaningful detail. When products and technology gets to this level the question changes from "best" to "best fit" and you not only made that clear, but the bit at the end about bonding with a given camera is spot on. I think the goal is to find camera that is such a good fit for you that it disappears in your hands such that you don't think about it but only the image capture. I am NOT a video shooter, so the OM-1 is the best fit for me. First, it fits me like I just described, I use many of the computational features, the smaller size vs. the G9II is significant to me, and I think the weather proofing is better as OMS is the only camera company to publish a industry standard rating. But, I wouldn't feel abused of "forced" to use the G9II. 🙂 Again - fantastic work! You are becoming not just one of the few CZcams photography channels I find worth watching but you head my short list of "must watch" creators.
Thanks so much for that I really appreciate it 🙏 I was concerned it as it was a bit longer than my usual videos but I tried really hard to get it right
@@MicroFourNerds You have so earned these complements.
Hate to but in here, but I agree with you on the way the OM-1 fits in your hand. It is a far more comfortable grip, and it feels molded to my hand in use. I just wish the button layout were more intuitive. My perfect camera would have the OM-1 grip and pre-capture control, the G9II sensor, HHHR mode, and button layout, and a sizing closer the the old GX8 that I used to own. That would be my ideal setup.
@@markbielick2313 And this is one reason we keep buying more cameras - looking for "ideal". Ask me know I know. 🙂
Agreed!
Nice, informative video Emily 😊
Former Nikon and current Fuji (xt 5) user, I bought the G9ii last year and paired it with the Leica / Panasonic 200 F2.8 to try some sports photography : Highland League Football. I must say I'm very happy with the results, so far 😊
I have the G9-II and since I do a lot of video, this is the better camera for me.
As far as I know, the G9-II is always saving an 16bit image format in stills. Even if there are no 16bit and the additional bits are stored and most likely compressed to nothing. This is used in the HighRes-Modes so the G9-II should have this larger bit depth advantage just like the OM1_II.
I use HHHR typically in cases like city-scapes and buildings and usually people or cars are moving in those images. My experience is, that the G9-II handles this very good and moving objects are not sliced into pieces. I think the OM1 isn't doing this that in the same quality but until now all comparison videos I saw only tested completely static test images. I would like to see such comparisons out in the wild. Especially the HHHR is made for images outside where you don't use a tripod and can't wait until actually nothing moves.
i thought the 16-bit is needed because it blends 2 ISO values during readout?
@@ericfernando4296 They don't tell us exactly what this is all about but it is possible to put a 12bit readout into a 16bit format and if you do a second readout with a different amplifier, you can do some calculations, get more bits and additional information. If I remember this correctly, Sean Robinson from Lumix USA said something like they are somehow doing calculations with the readouts, don't tell what exactly and the result has more DR and preserves the highlights better so the result has more than 12 bit, is stored in a 16bit container but doesn't have the 16bit.
No it does not have it. People are getting confused with bit rates of still images from these cameras based on discussions. Even the best Sony or other full frame cameras and sensors in the uncompressed RAW images are able to record only 14 bit color information, which drops to 12 bits during higher speed shooting. In video using RAW video recording they can achieve close to 16 bit after grading. These cameras destroy both G9II and OM-1 in DR and noise performance with 4x larger sensors. The Panasonic RAW files of images are not real 16 bit, just recorded in an inefficient bloated format and hardly different from OM1 files if you start to push shadows and highlight. However, in burst shooting modes the OM-1 files are clearly superior both in DR and noise performance compared to G9II, and it is quite impressive that OM-1 is not dropping the 12 bit rate under these conditions (this is where you clearly see the much better Sony sensor in OM-1 to shine). Also very likely that during the high resolution mode (like during the high speed shooting) G9II is not using the dynamic range boost, which is basically a computational feature (nothing to do with the sensor's performance), thus the 14 bit HR files of OM1II should be superior in noise and DR.
Hi, thanks a lot for this video ! Pana G9 (mkI) and OM-1 (mkI also) user here, mainly bird photographer.
The only times I've hit the buffer with my OM-1 are when using procapture at 120 fps for bird takeoffs. Nota Bene: my wildlife lens is the Panasonic 100-400, so I'm stuck with 25fps bursts with the autofocus, which is fine by me. The 90 or so image buffer is enough for me, even when photographing very speedy birds like swallows in flight, because I rarely burst for more than 2 seconds at a time.
The video capabilities of the OM-1 are pretty gimmicky compared to my G9. Yes there's a log profile I don't have with the G9, but it's forced when you want to record 10 bit, and I don't always need it. Also, the slow motion of the OM-1 looks like a pixel soup, and that's a real shame.
However, when it comes to macro, boy the OM-1 shines. I get way faster bracketing burst rates compared to the G9, that grants me a much higher success rate on live insects !
About subject detection, my OM-1's bird detect happily detects insects and even frogs ! So just because it says birds, don't hesitate to try it out on other subjects :)
A very thoughtful breakdown of the strengths and weaknesses of both cameras. I'm a retired press photographer dabbling in wildlife photography using, mostly, the original G9 (the OG9:) and 100-400mm and shooting JPEGS, a bad habit from my press days. I recently had a chance to photograph an eagles raising a pair of chicks. We had to keep a very respectful distance and I found the 20-meg sensor and 800mm 35mm=reach of the 100-400mm not long enough to get close in on the chicks. Long story short I activated the 2x digital converter, kept the ISO at 200, and was pleasantly surprised by the effective 1,600mm results. Much better than cropping in my 800mm images. I'd welcome a video from you on this feature. Maybe contrasting it to cropping in with RAW images. When working I almost never had time to work with RAW images so I'd value your perspective.
Anchio scatto quasi sempre in jpg senza problemi esistenziali.
Non ho mai provato questa oppurtunità sebbene anch'io abbia la Panasonic G9; detto questo, comunque preferirei scattare solo alla massima focale della lente e magari interpolare l'immagine con Photo AI (che uso) o simili software intelligenti.
Ruba poco tempo.
Dovrei fare una prova per confrontare entrambe le possibilità. 🤔
@@palmerino1965 I have found the 2x digital converter in the G9 menu useful if used at low ISO (200 is what I use) in good light. I have it set in one of my custom modes and for keeping a respectful distance from nesting birds it has been a big help, and very convenient, since a 20-meg sensor generally doesn't lend itself to a lot of cropping.
Excellent video, thank you! I have to add that I think a lot of people underestimate the potential of what these burst rates, buffer clearing and the fact that it's RAW actually means. Birds and wildlife? Sure- but that's limiting the area of use. I have been using the mkii the recent months also for sports and children. Having all these things in a combination is a GODSEND for getting lots of keeper images, while being able to shoot blackout free and keep on bursting with the pre-burst for getting before/after. It is SUCH an underrated area of use. Getting all that with RAW is incredible.
as always, great and thorough review!
Wow, Eli! You know as nobody else to combine a cherry sweet informal approach with the technical knowledge ánd subtle detail _plus_ the insight/experience of a passionate pro, the quality often being skipped or dry presented by some men, let's not name examples now. I remember the first two videos of yours I've watched, I found the presentation a little contrived, but I've been long since sold. This approach is your personal niche and obviously thousands recognize and like it.
Even on a small screen I perceive the differences in the noise and color that you present. Would be nice to see a high-res tripod comparison, shots set next to each other, to see if we're splitting hairs or is it a substantial difference. Yes, the Yt algorithm will diminish it, but still.
This is the comparison I've been waiting for a long time, since your famed safari enterprise. Just like you, I am in all genres. Tried birding just to test my 100-400 lens, but it got me sucked in and helped me learn and love the birds. The technical specs are knowledgeably presented the way you do it, but the best of all is what you mention in the end - it's some inexplicable personal interaction in the end that matters the most. When I take the oldie E-M1 original with me, I know I will fiddle with the (too few too small) buttons and a slow AF, bit it will be accurate and predictable and the _sooc_ colors still better (or nicer) than what my much newer G9/G90 produce. Also the IBIS is still awesome regardless of the absence of a dual stabe. So for the photography, the feel, the shape and grip, I would lean against the OM, especially that 14-bit high-res is impressive, but I do video as well and that makes the dilemma really really tough. If Panasonic comes with the 14-bit high res in an update, the dilemma is solved.
Thanks for a great review. I lean toward the OM-1 because I do very little video and while birds are far from the only thing I shoot, I think they are the only thing I shoot where upgrading my camera is going to make a noticeable difference. Also I'm leaning towards getting a used copy of the original OM-1 because it looks like I can get one for about $1000 less than the mark Ii. Then I could put that money towards a better lens.
I did a lot of research before buying the G9 II. I've watched a ton of videos. Yours is the most complete and detailed I've seen by far. I wish I had seen it before buying my camera. I still believe I made the right choice though. I may buy an OM camera some day, if only for the better way of dealing with the buffer situation, the much smaller file size and the computational ND filters. I love Live view composite as well. Great for fireworks or any kind of longish exposure. As you mentioned in your video, so for I've not run into trouble with maxing out the buffer but it is very annoying having to wait for the files to write and not being able to shot for a bit. Thank you. :)
Emily: simply a brilliant comparo. review. Just excellent. As a fellow YTer, I know what it takes to get this quality. Three thumbs up.
Great comparison Emily. Thank you. Saving for the OM 1 ii . Moving from my original G9. Just can't get enough bif keepers!
You've almost reached the Hollywood level with this video. Very explicit and helpful. We've to be all grateful to you for this titanic work of art. Keep up the good work, you're such an inspiration!
Excellent very helpful video - thank you
I bought an e-m1.3 during lock down and got hooked on m43 ever since! Now im keen to upgrade, mainly for wildlife and this video is what I've been waiting for! Excellent review, super thorough and as unbiased as you can get (we know you really really love Lumix;) just waiting for alignment of budget, OM promotions and my OH looking away and I'll click buy
Why upgrade? What is the first feature of the e-m1.3 that you would like improved?
@@Emerald_City_ it's mostly just want. But I'd like better tracking as I find the tracking a bit hit or miss....but mostly just lust for new and shiny. I've got several other (newer cameras) but the controls and ergos of the em1 are my favourite.
@@si3dx and I am still looking around for a second hand E-M1 mark III...
Fantastic deep dive and balanced analysis! One of the best videos of this type I've ever seen. I, and I'm sure many others, greatly appreciate your hard work! I just got the G9II and I have so much to learn. While I do intend to shoot birds and would appreciate a less restrictive burst mode, I appreciate the stabilization and video features of the G9II so I have no regrets at all. Also, the video didn't feel long at all because of my interest in everything you covered.
Really appreciate the super informative advice based on real world experience from a professional
MY favorite youtuber. thanks so much.
Well done! Very interesting comparison. While I can see that using V30 rated cards would help demonstrate the differences in how the burst mode works, I hope you are using V90 cards in your normal shooting. Emptying the buffer at 260MB/s vs ~130MB/s should lessen the impact.
Your best comparison footage of the two brands Emily, well done! In fact, I think it is by far the best comparison video for the two cameras I should say...
Only nitpicky thing I have if I heard that right, your experience with OM1.1 in SA for wildlife/birds would have been better if you only use subject detection and not messing with the tracking. It is known for a long while that Olympus CAF + Tracking is pretty useless until OM1.2. I know OMDS is not as focus in the video but I do hope they up their game a bit more with their next flagship camera. I don't shoot lots of video but it is one aspect I am envious of Lumix shooter for certain :-). I wish you would compare OM1.2 HHHR 12bits vs 14bits as well. If I am right you were comparing normal with 14bits HHHR (18-20mp vs 50mP).
Thank you for the nice review, helps to know where M43 is going.i am still cranking with my om10 MII 16MP, with 2 Pany f2.8 lenses.
I too combine the Pana / the Oly bodies and lenses all 4 ways with success...
Excellent video Emily. You really nailed it.
Thank you for the very honest comparison between two stellar cameras Emily.
I want to add a quick note. Both cameras only have 12 bit ADCs on their sensor (the G9ii has two 12 bit ADCs for DR boost). So the "14 bit" high resolution mode is just a wrapper to hold the extra DR captured by the OM1ii in that mode, similar to the 16 bit wrapper the G9ii uses for all modes, to hold on to the extra DR captured by the DR boost. In effect, this is what makes the G9ii hold on to colour in the deep shadows much better. So I assume the G9ii's 100MP handheld high resolution mode to still outperform the OM1ii's 50MP HHHR.
You can`t make a better comparison like that! I don`t mean the technical thing but the way. Chapeau!
Thanks for this comparison! I struggled over the last several months on which way to go with upgrading my M43 primary camera. I ended up on the G9ii, partially because it's essentially the same body as my S5iiX. That makes it incredibly easy to learn and use. The OM1ii is a great camera, though. I think anyone who does birding (and wildlife in general) would be better off with the OM. It seems like a birder's dream camera.
Great video, it will be interesting to see how much AF improvement we get from the promised firmware update in the Autumn
Ich hoffe, dass Firmware Update wird nicht vergessen.
Thank you for your very thorough and unbiased review. Well done. My wife and I both own the OM-1 & G9II cameras and use them for travel/landscape and bird photography. She loves the G9II for its superior video and the OM-1 with her Oly 12-100 for stills. I still have my G9 and probably too many PL lenses and purchased the G9II because the price offered was just too tempting. I use the OM-1 for bird photography with the Oly 300mm f4 lens with and without teleconverters. To me the OM-1 is hands down better for birds but I’m staying with Panasonic for general photography as I love the lenses, colors and the menu system. We were just in Newfoundland photographing puffins & gannets and frankly and we came away pleased with all of our gear. The Panasonic 100-400 v 1 performed very good on the G9II but not as good as the OM-1, of course the 300mm prime had something to do with that. You have convinced me that the OM-1. MKII is worth investigating as it has some advantages over the OM-1, so thank you for describing in depth those features. Envy your Faroe Islands trip, we have very fond memories of our visit two years ago, alas no puffins in September when we were there.
Both camera's exceed my photography abilities.
While I haven’t checked hi res mode, my G9ii raw files are 16 bit. Coupled with the extra megapixels and a fairly big embedded jpeg would explain the difference in raw file sizes.
Very balanced review! One advantage for OM Systems is that my local camera store carries it. Panasonic doesn't seem to play well with local "brick and mortar" camera stores. I shoot Panasonic and Nikon. It's great having local access to all things Nikon, but I have to do everything online for Panasonic. I'm considering leaving Panasonic because of it. Nikon has also become quite good with video, lately.
I own both Oly and Panny, both are great although I prefer the Olly lenses. Cannot go wrong with either.
Wow what a video. Thank you Emily.
This seems silly. I just do photography with maybe a few video clips. One might think the OM1 Mii is the body for me. I have the EMD1 Mii and G9. I prefer the G9.
Most of my M43 cameras are LUMIX. Absolutely love the GX8/85/9. So it is a system preference. The major feature I love about the lumix, high isn’t present in the GX8/85 is L monochrome D. This is my favorite B&W jpeg. Sorry Acros + red filter. Yes, I can achieve with mucking around in Lightroom. I don’t edit my images. Getting the look I like SOOC is very valuable to me.
Yes, both bodies are super. They are super in some different ways. You select the super powers you will use the most. With all these super powers to select from, it seems strange to me I’m voting for the G9ii because of this jpeg feature. As my mother use to say, that’s hat makes horse races. What does that even mean?
It is so strange to see you dressed in your winter kit in July. Go Hawks even though my long time team is the Giants. A team only a mother or hometown kid can love.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
This girl is faster than both cameras
Have you tried the burst modes on LUMIX if you use faster V60 or V90 cards?
It was nice meeting you in Froðba 😄
Aaah lovely to meet you too!! Thanks so much for saying hi! 😁
How are they with the older 4/3 lenses, I have and use those older ones with adapter?
Thanks for that Emily, really useful to see. I’m a G9ii user, it’s a huge improvement over the G9, BUT since the release of the OM-1 ii I’ve wondered if I would benefit more from its better evf, instant start up, (3 second lag really frustrates me on G9ii). I also do minimal post processing, so in body focus stacking would be useful too.
One observation I’d make on your puffin shots at 28 mins, with the G9ii the birds face was obscured mostly with its wing, on your OM-1 its head was clearly visible, so I think it was easier to recognise as a bird.
That's a great point thank you ☺️
Yes, the lag to turn on the g9ii (and all higher end lumix cameras) does annoy me too. At least twice a week I'm half way to changing the battery before it turns on because I think it's dead haha
@@MicroFourNerds I have to check all my batteries charge through my original S5 before each shoot because my S5iix and G9ii can be too slow to turn on. Wish Lumix would fix that!
For some of us, using i.e. having to deliver the bulk of photos at a pinch, perhaps a question unanswered is how the sooc jpegs compare between these two contestants? Olympus used to beat the Lumix ('color science'), but this is a new era now...
@@Emerald_City_ I can’t comment on OM-1, but I am very impressed with the G9ii jpgs.
Hello! Sorry if this was addressed in the video and I missed it but does Continuous Autofocus affect the burst modes at all?
Lumix G9ii. The one and only!
It's a beaut!
I have both cameras, and I would agree with everything you bring up EXCEPT the Hand Held High Res mode. The noise reduction on the HHHR mode is NOT due to the 14 vs. 12 bit images. It is due to the multiple file merging that occurs in the HHHR process. I have found the G9ii HHHR files to be cleaner with more detail than the OM-1 files due to the significantly higher resolution.
Also, far better handling of motion in the image, which is the major drawback to HHHR mode. Wind blown leaves in HHHR landscapes look fine on the G9ii, but are blurs on the OM-1.
Interesting! Thanks for that! I should have compared the two different high res modes and had a pixel peep
@@MicroFourNerds Emily, an interesting update and very good balance. Thank you. I was almost throwing my arms in the air to say ' at last a rounded and objective insight'...but then, oh dear - the dynamic range question. The comparison of OM1 mk1 vs Mk2 is not helpful when your objective is to help us to decide between OM1 mk2 and Pany G9II. I am sure it's not going to be a straight forward answer, in the same way the buffer discussion was not cut and dry, but you handled it so very well. Follow-up please.
Agree, never use HHHR on the OM-1, frequently use it on the G9ii
@@MicroFourNerds I've done the test many times. I do a lot of righ-res landscapes I even included my Nikon Z7II in the comparison. The G9II out resolves the Nikon by a small amount, and is far better than the OM-1. The only time the Nikon is preferred is when there is a lot of movement in the image. I wish the processor on the G9II was faster, because it takes twice as long to develop each image compared to the OM-1. When you merge 6 images together for a high res shot, the added time is difficult to adjust for.
For me, it's a bit like Sony vs Canon.
Panasonic, like Sony, is a manufacturer of a wide range of technical devices. They think more technically and less from a photographer's perspective. As a result, they are sometimes technically superior, but in everyday use, their devices are less enjoyable for me. That's why their cameras often look and feel more like a "microwave oven" or "vacuum cleaner" than on the other hand, OM and Canon have their cameras shaped like sex toys that fit perfectly in your hands.
Ultimately, I enjoy using Canon and OM, but not Sony and Panasonic. Since I'm not a professional, cameras need to be fun, feel good in my hands, and look stylish.
Though I recognize every bit of what you're saying, it's the end result that counts for me. And that is where the Olympus used to score better. Can't speak for these two new models.
Great video. Nice balance between structure and informality. Olympus leaving market and Panasonic having FF mount are two extras to consider.
OMSystem leaving market??? Do you have priviledge information?? Becasue I try to keep myself well informed about this adn NOTHING is farer from reality
@@moisescugat3948 Olympus left the camera market and sold to an investment firm who incorporated OMSystem. I wish them good fortune.
would the G9ii handle burst mode and buffering better with a connected SSD ?
Maybe the best camera comparison review ever!👍 Once again Emily's honesty and good cheer bubbles through to endear! Even those of us who do not want the G9ii/OM1ii will be tempted (a little😉). But, we do have a better appreciation for the features in the cameras we have or want. There is one serious contender for go anywhere compact alternative that has many of the G9ii/OM1ii essential features (PDAF, hi burst speed, stabilization, weatherproof, 4k video) with a 24-600mm f2.4-4 lens thrown in. Although the Sony RX10iv is 7 years older than the G9ii/OM1ii, it still packs a punch for the hybrid shooter. Maybe Emily will be tempted by the dare to take the RX10iv vs G9ii/OM1ii comparison challenge!😊👍
A fair and objective review. Macro, sports, action or wildlife then buy the OM. Video and more general photography buy the Panny. Two great cameras and we should be grateful to have such a choice.
Very helpful video (although I won’t be able to afford either one unless I save up for about 2 years!). I wonder if by that time Panasonic could improve some of their downsides with firmware- maybe start writing the bursts as you shoot, or process a focus stack jpg in camera. Hopefully they’ll watch your video and take it into account!
I was hoping to see a face detect af comparison. I own the om1 mark 1 and it is NOT great for running children, way behind Sony A7IV for example, which I also own. Has it been improved on OM1 mkii ?
Great review thanks, so in conclusion you NEED! to have both cameras 😂
Really enjoy tis video...thanks for sharing your thoughts...oso what type of caps are on both cameras..silver and red color...
The olympus body cap lenses. They come in 9mm and 15mm, and 3 different colours 😊
I love the handheld high res mode on my s5ii - the 14 bit implementation on the OM is really cool. I'd love to see that in Lumix.
I'm not a fan of M43 system as I said previously and I believe the APS-C size sensor is the sweet spot, howver, I always enjoy your stuff as I believe you are really a "talented" photographer with a refined taste in editing your photos too...quite imperssive indeed!
Good job! You really knows what I want to know about these cameras. One thing you should know is that the max writing speed of a memory card have nothing to do with cameras. it only works when the memory card is insert a computer with certain card reader. And cameras like these two, you should get a V60 or V90 card with UHS II at least. A UHS II card like 160m/s is faster than a UHS I 200m/s card on camera.
25MP @16bit 40MB vs 20MP @14bit 20MB
If you do the math it checks out.
You should compare the amount of pixels written out (or rather total data) in each burst not just "images".
kind of a weird question but for bird shooting would the gh7 be kind of the best solution because of the cfexpress card slot and associated clearing speeds?? i know that it’s mainly pitched at video but the burst clearing speed may actually make it a better birding camera especially if you are ok to shoot only to cfexpress card and don’t need to shoot to both slots?
you forgot to mention that all Olympus camera has SSWF sensor cleaning which keeps your sensor clean all the time which is missing in all other brand
I did not know that! Thank you
Hi. May I ask you to test m43 wideangle lens like 9mm 1.7 vs FF wideangle single shot of Milky Way astro landscape? ))) is FF much better for astro landscape than best m43 ?
Thanks for a great video, very balanced and effective.
I have some Lumix cameras and some Olympus/OM System cameras. I use the Lumix cameras in my online corporate training role, and they have NEVER let me down. However, I find that, in my photography hobby, I prefer Olympus/ OM. I just find these "jive" with me better.
You are dead right though, G9ii or OM1ii, you cannot go wrong.
For my hobby, my next camera will be the original OM-1 and even that will be way too feature rich for my hobby needs. 😅
OM 1 seems a bit more advanced and refined hence the higher price 😊!
The comment about gelling with you camera is interesting - I still seem to enjoy using my PEN-F far more than my relatively new (to me) factory refurb E-M1 mk3 despite the E-M1 being the more capable and newer camera.
Pur avendo una Panasonic G9, preferisco usare la vecchia reflex Olympus E-5 con i Zuiko 4/3.
Vedere in un mirino ottico, scattare in modalità manuale ed esposizione spot per sfruttare al meglio la gamma dinamica di un sensore del 2010, mi ricorda un pochino l'uso con la pellicola negli anni passati.
I have both the OM-1 and G9m2. Bought the G9m2 for photos but predominantly doing video, particularly slow motion. I have an odd issue shooting video - there is a shimmering effect like a heat haze visible on the EVF and Screen which is recorded onto SD card. This is particularly noticeable using the OM 150-400mm lens. And I have noticed the sensor does not always return to centre position when the camera is switched off. Waiting for a detailed review on the G9m2 video capability and use with a series of lenses.
Loving the Olympus approach to burst 🎉 (using em1 II tho)
Great video as always, Emily. Always fun to watch. Hope you don't mind me asking because I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly. You made quite a mention of the 14bit raw files of the Om1ii but didnt mention that the standard output of the G9ii is 16bit, as are many cameras these days. Have I misunderstood and you were talking specifically about something different? Looking at the specs of the OM1ii it shows the normal RAW output of the camera is just 12 bits whereas the normal output of the G9ii (and older G9 and GX9) is 16bit. So 14bit in hi-res mode only isnt really a deal in comparison with other much older cameras? Have I missed something? Obviously there is also the G9ii 100Mp hi res mode. Any chance you could do a side by side comparison of the 2 cameras in hi-re modes at both standard and high MP modes, and possibly also both handheld and tripod mounted? I almost moved to the EM-1iii due to the great handheld hi-res modes but obviously technology has moved a lot since
I think people are really getting confused with bit rates of still images from these cameras based on all discussions. Even the best Sony or other full frame cameras and sensors in the uncompressed RAW images are able to record only 14 bit color information, which drops to 12 bits during higher speed shooting. In video using RAW video recording they can achieve close to 16 bit after grading. The Panasonic RAW files of images are not real 16 bit, just recorded in an inefficient bloated format and hardly different from OM1 files if you start to push shadows and highlight. However, in burst shooting modes the OM-1 files are clearly superior both in DR and noise performance compared to G9II, and it is quite impressive that OM-1 is not dropping the 12 bit rate under these conditions (this is where you clearly see the much better Sony sensor in OM-1 to shine). Also very likely that during the high resolution mode (like during the high speed shooting) G9II is not using the dynamic range boost, which is basically a computational feature (nothing to do with the sensor's performance), thus the 14 bit HR files of OM1II should be superior in noise and DR.
To be fair, while the OM1II has the 14 bit in the Hires mode, the G9II can correct motion in the Hires mode, and you still have a sharp, usable picture with the G9II while when there is movement in the OM1II Hires picture, the picture is unusable.
As with other aspects of these cameras, both versions have a value. One has to decide, which is more important for oneself as the user.
Great video. I am going through a time where I am frustrated with my equipment and my work. I really wanted to like the G9II. Darn. Back in the day I had two Olympus P5's. I used the Olympus M5.2 for a while. I still use the Olympus M1.2. But I have been looking for something else. I like the Lumix menus. I had a GX8 for a while. I rented a G9 for a week. I had a GH5II for a while. And I had a G9II for a while. I have several M43 lenses I like. I am thinking about looking at the G7 or GX7. Smaller. Lumix menus.
Good gosh. Those things are huge!
Excellent Comparison. Objectively describing the possible pros and cons of owning either model. Sadly, i want features from both. I love sports and wildlife photography. Particularly motor sports. The buffer clearing issue on the G9ii would annoy the heck out of me and also rolling shutter when panning. I have original G9 with pl 100-400mm and love that combo except for dodgy af. I also use Olympus em5iii and adore it for every day stuff. So maybe no need to change yet. But the OM1 is very compelling. I also have a lot of oly glass too, so have feet in both camps.
If Panasonic could sort the burst write issue my decision would be made. I'm a little hesitent to commit more of my dwindling finances to OM Systems until i see proper progression in the OM5 series.
Great, objective, insightful comparison. I've never held a camera with better ergo than the original G9, and the M2 is not quite as good in that regard (all Oly/OM bodies feel too small, as do Sony E-Mount). Thanks for pointing out that 1/15 limit for DRB. I was unaware of that, and often shoot even slower than that (hand-held, of course, given that 8-stop IBIS). Yeah--I was not pleased to find that the files are 2X larger with the G9M2 compared to the M1, but it's not that big a deal. Weird (not in a good way) that Lumix removed in in-camera focus stacking feature from the G9M1 (plus I don't use Lr/Ps). It's rare I'd use that anyway but I've still got the M1 for that... That said, I get great macros from the G9M1 and M2 (using the Oly 60mm f/2.8 Macro lens). Actually, the Leica 8-18 does not have IS, but as you say, Dual IS isn't really needed at those FLs.
Re buffering, I've never come close to shooting 200 frames in a burst (who has the time to curate that?!), nor have I ever shot more than a few seconds in any burst mode (nor beyond 20 fps). I will say that it's annoying that I can't immediately review shots in the G9M2 like I can with the M1, even with UHS-II (albeit V60) cards, but that's just par for the larger file course (unless they can devise a clever way of overcoming that--perhaps making a JPG immediately available while writing the RAW).
This was a really good comparison, I want both 😅😅
I must say that I use handheldhighres on OM1mkll on birds that sits still and I love it. The faster the shutterspeed the better, and you can have high iso cos the noise disappears.
Ihave 300f4 and 150-400tcpro.
A G9ll fore my videos and walk around photos would be nice 👍
not only that; Om-1 still has the 12bit RAW files recording during the fast speed shooting (even the best full frame cameras drop it from 14 bit to 12 bit under these conditions). Under these conditions the DR and noise performance of OM-1 files is vastly superior compared to G9II files, where the much better Sony sensor in Om-1 really shines. Even though Panasonic records in bloated inefficient 16 bit raw format for some reasons these files are still 12 bit, which drops during high speed burst to the GH6 levels, which was heavily criticized (both have the same sensor). The best full frame camera sensors can record only 14 bit in uncompressed RAW images, which destroy the DR and noise performance of both OM-1 and G9-II sensors simply just by 4x larger size. I use both Om-1II and Sony cameras with pro lenses for wild life.
A very very detailed explanation of both of these flagship cameras from both brands. One of the things that Om system talk about is that they put human detection into its Ai subject detection mode now. I m just wondering whether it is massively different from the one in the original OM-1? Can I finally shoot sport with the OM-1 mark ii now ? Is the human subject detection sticking to the face now ? It certainly wasn’t with the original OM-1 ? Has anybody tested this ?
Absolutely love your videos, this was by far the best comparison I've watched, fan for life!
I bought an ex display G9 at Wex Photo last week because I miss the old ergonomics compared to the new G9ii. I use it for birding and the original G9 AF still sticks to my subjects.
Very nice! Yes the g9 ergonomics are fantastic. I used it for a day in Kenya last year and got some great wildlife photos with it!
How bad are the lock ups on the G9II after bursts? I was going to upgrade from my G9, because I've owned that since its launch. I mainly shoot my children's sporting events, but if it's locking up significantly it might not be the best upgrade. How long does it usually take to clear with regular use?
So if you have really fast cards, like v90s, it'll be faster. With semi-decent cards like v60s a full burst mode that fills the buffer entirely will take up to 4 minutes to write.
However, you can shoot again during this time, you just need to make sure there's some free space in the buffer.
Also, i should also say, it is mostly the pre burst modes that get you into trouble. This is because you've banked up to 60/90 frames before you've even fully pressed the shutter! So the 200 frame buffer doesn't go very far.
If you're a bit sparing with the standard burst modes you won't get locked up at all.
been having a OM1 for a bit
after trying the OM1 2 i do feel that the AF is not as good
but consider the price difference (a second hand OM1 cost a bit more than 1000 USD in Japan, which is a steal), I'm more than happy with it
Very good 👍 thanks 🙏🏼
Thanks Emily Very nicely done and interesting, but for me its wildlife so OM.👍😎
Doesn't one of the two buttons on top of the OM-1 II have a little red dent in it or does it only appear to? Because that would be also a way of haptic differentiation just as Panasonic does it with the two little bumps on the middle button. So technically it shout be distinguishable, or am I wrong?
It does have an indent but you can't feel it at all! The one on Lumix is, for lack of a better word, lumpy 😂
I wonder how the stabilization compares in stills mode. I was able to do handheld 8s exposures on om1 and 10s on om1ii (literally handheld astrophotography lol) - how does this look on the Panasonic side?
Aaah it's fantastic too you know, especially as most stock lenses have dual stabilisation as well. I regularly shoot handheld long exposure street photography with the g9ii and it gives me several seconds no problem. Probably not 10 tho, that's incredible haha