What can you say about the industry that exists in Wales, Scotland and former industrial areas in England today? Was it worth it? What about the environment, worker’s rights? What was the quality of life like before the strikes versus after?
Dave L. The outcome of the Miners strike did huge damage to the trade union movement & the Labour Party, from which they have never really recovered. Even under a 'New' Labour government there were just as many pits closed as under the Tories. Where once there was employment and community there is deprivation & drugs. Looking back the country was changing, as were the people but I don't believe it was for the better. People are being left behind & no one seems to care anymore. Such as sad indictment on our society ☹️
@@craigwaddington1838 yes look at the state of the country now , energy crisis and no pits to save them from it because they decided to rely on other countries..Another wrong move , the government was out of touch then and still are
They'd used the Army in the past...maybe for PR it looked better to train the police into mobsters...after all, they are the law...supposed to be...justice needs to be done...
"Orgreave revealed that in this country we now have a standing army available to be deployed against gatherings of civilians whose congregation is disliked by senior police officers. It is answerable to no one; it is trained in tactics which have been released to no one, but which include the deliberate maiming and injuring of innocent persons to disperse them, in complete violation of the law."
@@fibrespider4502 : I don't care at all. The police are continually criticised for doing their job . The miners were the one's who started the violence.
@@shibuya3185 What do you mean you don't care about the manipulation of our judicial system that is possibly one of most stupid things I've ever heard, the police purposely doctored false and misleading reports and did any legal action come to the hierarchy that ordered it to be done no of course not as a police force that is digusting and shows the corruption in this countries elite and powerful.
@@fibrespider4502 : Stop playing the victim. Go and cry on someone else's shoulder. The miners were violent scumbags who beat up innocent men and women.
Absolutely superb investigation and delivery - may I be so bold as to suggest that this is where the seeds were sown for the current mindset against “Europe’s Finest”?!
This very same tactic is being used against Hong Kong protesters at this very moment. We need your solidarity. Orgreave veterans, please reach out to Hongkongers and support the democracy movement!
I'm sorry Hank but it seems chinese brainwashing and propaganda has even seeped it's way to Britain. James I know you only read the daily mail but please be aware of the regulatory 1 country 2 systems law which the totalitarian and almost Orwellian state that china is at the moment is trying to erode. GO HONG KONG!
@James Henderson Human rights and democracy has everything to do with us, you're letting totalitarianism win, to protect democracy in 1 place you have to protect democracy everywhere democracy is strong only when its constantly defended and Hong Kong is the battleground.
@@fibrespider4502 : What a hypocrite you are. You don't respect democracy at all. You supported striking miners beating up those working class people who elected to attend work rather than take part in violent street demonstrations.
@@shibuya3185 The police force admitted that they were in the wrong as they illegally doctored evidence to wrongfully prosecute miners, the police were in full riot gear and some were on horseback, the miners were in jackets demonstrating to keep their jobs and in many cases their livelihoods.
My Dad’s side of my family are from the mining background in County Durham. I’ll never ever forgive what Thatcher did to the miners and the mining community, because she decimated parts of this community. Thatcher turned mining towns into areas of high unemployment, depression, poverty and addiction. I’ll never forgive the way the Police treated the miners at Orgreave either, they behaved like a bunch of fascist thugs. I was proud to march with the miners as a kid, as I know many other people were.
Oh that's right ! now for capitalism in Russia . And ALL these problems we (stupid proletarians, without trade Union) have today ! Just like You then. So every modern video CZcams on strikes are hundreds of negative reviews of the capitalists.
There have also been aligations that the army was also used disguised as police officers. That in itself challenges democracy when a so called democratic process is suspended and martial law is emposed
4:20 to 4:40 may dad was stood with his brothers & Arthur scargill & stayed with them to the end,the most proudest moment of his life,I’m so proud of him.
@JamesRichards-mj9kw it makes you wonder whos side he was on, calling a strike, with coal stocks at record high, in the summer and without a national ballot,
It won’t be the first time and the last time South Yorkshire Police will cover up anything, I can think of a few more big cover ups, this is when the police showed two tier policing 🤔
It would have been different if Scargill allowed the cameras onto the miners side to see the violence the miners were getting from the police to see the suffering in the soup kitchens but he did not
Innocent children and old men were crippled in the Strike by lunatic coppers...no violence...WAS YOU THERE? I was...and if you was not, which you cannot have been...as you would have seen the corruption at hand and thuggery...then become a human...and stop lying...or are you a COP yourself...@@robertandrews5640
You have to ask yourself, why the police let so many pickets through, when they were turning pickets around in Nottingham, then they let pickets through, to try out their tactics, which they had trained for.
i was one that was done at orgeave. mine got put on file in case i got in trouble later. BUT that was over me for the rest of my life. this could have been bought up. all i worn was jeans and t shirt. they was very very heavy handed
I fucking love that picture of the picket folding that copper in half with a rugby tackle! You can tell he played a bit. Head to one side, shoulder in the midriff and then lift and leg drive! Text book!
Look at that comment. Miners WERE violent and vindictive in cases - look how they treated the 'scabs'. All those blokes wanted to shut down a coking plant and if this tale here is true, the cops got theirs in first.
Doesn't want all the truth to come out that the military was there Maggie planned this throughout she wanted conflict with the miners to destroy the unions and bring the working class to their knees
@@graemehannam3950 : It was the miners who were violent. Don't blame the police. The scumbag strikers even murdered a taxi driver whose only "sin" was to transport a man to work.
He could have easily won if the Nottinghamshire scabs had come out on strike. Then those idiots had their pits closed in the 1990s, dumb ruling class tools.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw The strike was not illegal under the actual NUM rules. If they had voted for the strike it would also not have been illegal. Instead they simply helped the state destroy their own jobs! Seems that you have an opinion and want to make the facts fit it.
@Henry Tudor : get over your hatred of the police. Snowflakes like yourself who always whine about the police will be first in line to cry on their shoulder when you need them.
@@fibrespider4502 : "You sound like a Tory posting from his Oxford mansion."....that's because you're a bigot who likes to imagine the worst of those they disagree with. I have never voted Tory and have only ever passed through Oxford once.....now why don't you get that chip on your shoulder seen to?
The police and government in South Yorkshire have neglected the area for decades Hillsborough, the miners strikes the Rotherham grooming incident when’s it gonna stop
No we don’t, people should always have the right to strike and protest in a so called democracy. People have the right to protest against war whether it be in Gaza or anywhere else in the world. This current lot running the country would have us at war with Russia if they could they’re that insane. People also have the right to strike for better working conditions and wages too. Stop being a bootlicker for the establishment, because they don’t give a damn about any of us regardless of our gender, race or religion. I’m so done with the left versus right paradigm, because the system is rigged against working class people and they just want us to shut up and be good obedient workers who won’t complain about anything.
Er, it was the miners who murdered a taxi driver whose only "sin" was to drive a worker to his place of employment. It was the miners who violently attacked others who simply wanted to go to work to feed their families. It was the miners who unlawfully blocked roads to stop people going to work. For these scumbags now to blame the police, is laughable but typical of their "always play the victim" attitude.
@@shibuya3185 Yes the "scumbags" who lost their jobs, livelihoods, communities, rights and their chances to have decent life and provide for their families, those "scumbags"? Not to mention the police reports that were changed and manipulated to demonize the miners. Shibuya please go to any mining town in the North and ask any person of about 70 about the miners strikes and you may get a picture of what actually happened and how much the Tories have failed British people.
@@fibrespider4502 : If you actually stopped frothing at the mouth and took the trouble to read my posts you would know that the scumbags I am referring to are the strikers, not those miners who did not go on strike. You would also know that I am originally from the North and come from a family of miners, although I was never one myself. When members of my family knew their mines were to be closed, they got off their arse's and found jobs elsewhere. They didn't expect the government to subsidise their wages and, as far as I know, not one even went on the dole. They didn't stop those miners who wanted to work, from doing so. They weren't violent towards the police. The Tories were correct in closing unprofitable mines that the scumbags wanted the taxpayer to subsidise.
@@shibuya3185 Labour were the ones who closed the unprofitable mines which is fair mining is a business and in the end if the mine was at the end of it's life then it should be closed but by this point there were plenty of profitable mines which Thatcher closed because she wanted to beat down the working class and the union and used the police as her stick. Sounds like your family managed out of the desolation that Thatcher caused and good on them for finding other jobs and being able to raise a family but many miners weren't so lucky. Thatcher was probably the worst PM we've ever had she denied the working class all but the very basic job rights and decent wages for a difficult and oft dangerous job and she divided a nation which I think this comments section has well and truly proven.
@@fibrespider4502 : This comments section has proved only that there are many in the UK who are in favour of Socialism and government handouts. As a very wise lady once said "the problem with Socialists is that they soon run out of other peoples money". What the polls have shown at the past few elections is that more voters support the Tories than any other party because they are intelligent enough to know that closing unprofitable businesses makes sense and that, for centuries, people have moved to where the jobs are instead of playing the victim and wanting handouts, as so many of my fellow Northerners do.
I say fair play to the miners they was just standing up for them self's to think thatcher was going to use the army against there own people out of order they closed the pits and used cheap coal from other countries good on the miners I say
Ultimately, in the grander scale of things it just all didn't add up... A mining industry over-producing an expensive (but potentially highly profitable...) deep mined product that couldn't find any new customers, with a riled-up labour force who didn't want to lose what they had irrespective of there being absolutely no market for the millions of coal tonnage they kept on producing & stockpiling...
Regards the brutality and lies of the Police in that strike, it's no wonder the public neither trust nor respect them. My own opinion is that instead of throwing bricks at the uniformed thugs, they should have used Molotovs. Would have been well deserved.
Biggest act of socialism in recent history? Bailing out private banks with hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayer money. And then telling poor people and immigrants that the crash was all their fault.
@@fibrespider4502 : What about it? It would have been much worse if the UK government was still spending billions supporting unprofitable coal mines as well as snowflakes like yourself who are eternally unhappy with the amount of the handouts they get from the government.
Thats kinda the 1 of the points there's only 2 major job classes in the North now retail and agriculture, agriculture creating rather few jobs and you can't support a family on a retail job.
@@shibuya3185 Isn't it the government's job to ensure that if you put 100,000s of people out of jobs you give them other jobs in their area, or at least our government would if it actually cared about the working class.
@@fibrespider4502 : "Isn't it the government's job to ensure that if you put 100,000s of people out of jobs you give them other jobs in their area.......A stupid question. Of course it isn't governments job to do that. Businesses close all the time. Every single day. It's up to people to get off their arse's and find work elsewhere. You obviously want a government that is your nanny from cradle to grave. Most people in the uK have the balls to fend for themselves.
Shibuya Which explains why the number of prescriptions for antidepressants went up from 32 million in 2012 to 64 million last year. Nine million are living on the breadline. Half the workforce have nothing in the bank, most of the other half have less than 500 quid and only 2% have more than 5 grand. And you have nothing to say about the corruption exposed in this documentary. Corporate bootlicker.
I remember me & Mrs on hols in Corfu and lot of Coppers were there 1985/6 bragin about Miners paying for their holiday, we were disgusted at em ! STILL ARE !
The Met police were involved, as was the army, and they used to wave twenty pound notes in their faces showing off about the overtime pay they were on , just to provoke them . I knew of a Met copper who'd never been to Yorkshire in his life before this and said afterwards it was the best thing that ever happened . He bragged about being able to put a deposit on a new house on the money he earned , ( paid for out of our taxes ) for what he earned out of those few months . Meanwhile back in Yorkshire , hard working miners were having their homes repossessed. Shameful .
@@Mark64W Yes, I was there, and saw the struggles, which are still ongoing. When people choose their jobs, there is always an number of inner motivations that drive people, or inspire them to a certain type of vocation. It's interesting that one of the main psychological games played by psychopaths, is the game of cops and robbers. It consists of one party proving that the other party are criminals, or crooked in some way, so it is a power game in relation to morality. Then, at the end of the game, they say you're nicked, or copped. I have been wrongly arrested, as have many people, including miners, but to the psychopath, or should I say policeman, you're bent, whether they have evidence or not, as these beasts, or pigs if you will, simply accuse others of their own faults, hence why their jobs suit their personalities. And they relish these power games more than others, as they can earn large amounts of money, and promotions through these games, and no matter how they earn these, they find a way of feeling sanctified by it all. The Tories too played this game against the miners, by labelling us as the enemy within. We were brutes, thugs, scum, morons, brainless idiots, despite the fact that almost every miner knew by heart the greater issues at stake during and before the strike, and were willing to fight for the ideal, and the good of the community. Compare that to the police, especially those who came up from south, and one can see the divisions within our society, north and south, and upper and lower classes. These issues have caused a lot of problems down the years, just look at how the army moved in on the Welsh miners early in the 20th century, and it all illustrates that most people cannot trust their governments and politicians, nor those who at their command seek to impose, or maintain order, note order, not goodness, or justice!!! That will come through the karmic reactions, for what a man sows, he must reap at some time, of that I am certain, and this explains the many storms that befall the earth now. And it all started with the miner's strike... ISH.
i was there on two occasions,on one of them can remember being herded into a walled field by the police on horseback,we was all baaing like sheep,we did nothing wrong at all but the police still singled out people and put them in the vans
@@shibuya3185 Says the person trying to make the government look like the victim in a comments section of a video where even the police interviewed admit that they were at least partly at fault.
@@fibrespider4502 : The police always apologise. It was the NUM that started attacking working class people who only wanted to go to work. If a couple of striking thugs got hurt then they should not have been breaking the law.
@@shibuya3185 Are you going to watch the video or not bother since it proves you wrong so badly? And the police reports? Maybe the police are apologizing because they were in the wrong, possibly?
@@fibrespider4502 : I've watched numerous videos of the striking miners attacking policemen as well as men and women trying to get to work. The violent miners were scum who deserved anything they got from the police. Stop playing the victim and blaming the police because a bunch of striking yobbos got what was coming to them.
Mining had become uneconomic Same as loading ships by hand In Liverpool This country was brought to A standstill.in the early 70s Thatcher wasn't going to let It happen again
The police where vicious... My family was cold and hungry?..... I was so naive at the time being 26.. My understanding became to my family family strikers.
A lot of miners, called out on strike by Scargill, in the summer, with record coal stocks and without a ballot, went cold and hungry, Scargill never, he was taxied round in a jag, getting rich. The miners were let down by government and Union alike.
You need to go to a country that really is a police state. If there had been no unlawful activity by the striking miners on the working miners there would have been no heed for the police. The police did their duty.
Louise The police did what they were told. But it doesn’t take a genius to realise that this isn’t morally right. The way these people were treated is the epitome of police brutality 😂
so 5000 pickets turn up at a coking plant to shut it down and the police are the bandies for enforcing the law and rights of the workers in this plant, its a joke i understand there maybe an enquiry now if Corbyn is elected well i hope it is to also prosecute those pickets that regarded extreme violence as a legitimate right, the police only stood up to those thugs who thought they had the right to bully people and anyone who thought that the police would send only a couple of offices to control a mob of 5000 miners is an idiot and they got all they deserved people like scargill had no interest in miners he just used them as pawns in his anti government agenda as history has now shown he retired on a fat pension and benefits paid for by union funds and was paid while miners relied on handouts union officials should only get strike pay like the rest ,any misdemeanours by police should be prosecuted as justice should also prosecute miners who broke the law
@@shibuya3185 correction, their Democratic right to protest unlike the police's unlawful manipulation of reports and the PM's unlawful suspension of parliament the police should be arresting Boris.
@@fibrespider4502 : "their Democratic right to protest"....They have no democratic right to beat up so called "scabs" who are just ordinary working class people who want to attend work and earn money to feed their families. Only a bigot would forget that old people have a democratic right to receive coal and only a bigot would forget that people have a democratic right to attend work without striking scumbags beating them up en route.
@@Thumb_ Milk snatcher?!?! 😂 You disgusting people are all milk snatchers, stealing milk from cows. The milk is intended for cows’ young. Cows are raped and forcibly impregnated over and over, their young kidnapped and murdered, and their milk stolen. When they are deemed no good they are killed also. Then little old you come along and suggest MT was a milk snatcher! I’m glad the mines are closed and that it supposedly decimated the mining areas. You people are troglodytes stuck in the Stone Age and that’s where you belong.
@@HumansAreShitFactories I reference Margaret’s strange hatred of milk and you start lecturing me on animal rights? No need to get so deep, it’s just Maggie stealing milk.
FFS watching this on 13/02/24 I just cant believe how the sense of impunity granted to certain supposedly exceptionalist groups in this crazy world emboldens them to commit absolute atrocities. Free Palestine NOW
John Smith . They went on strike to try and save their jobs , homes , community and secure a future for their children . What were they supposed to do ? Just shrug their shoulders and say ' Oh , never mind there is only 75,000 of us going to end up on the dole ' ? I don't mean to be rude but were you Marie Antoinette in a previous life ? Kind regards , Mark .
We knew then, what most know now, that the enemy within were the Tories and Thatcher. Scum, not humans, divorced from reality, and willing to murder and steal the lives of the backbone of British society (the most honest, hard-working, and least greedy, selfless beings-over half of Barnsley was owned by co-ops at one time, then compare that to the sleeze-balls and crooks who run government, especially the Tories, as has been seen recently numerous times, as they line their crooked pockets), destroying their communities, and the hopes of families across these coalfields, and intentionally causing a war in the Falklands, and killing many Argentine and British soldiers to further their power and financial gains. Only lunatics cannot see though these maniacs, people similar in nature to the white men who invaded the US and desecrated the lives of the native Indians, stealing their land through lies and murder, then questioning their integrity in many ways, when they lived a far superior life to the white man. And now look where we are, facing extinction through these leaders of falsehood, deception and greed, who exonerate themselves with their silky fork-tongues. Lies, lies, and damn lies, and they will be damned, for whatever is sown, must be reaped. Watch the karma come back now, as the truth begins to surface, which will not only illustrate who and what is right, but liberate the human spirit, so we have genuine leaders at last!!!
Comrade Arthur must have known the British state would never allow the strike to win. If it had the U.K. would have entered a new dark age and joined the likes of Venezuela and Cuba.
"Comrade Arthur must have known the British state would never allow the strike to win. If it had the U.K. would have entered a new dark age and joined the likes of Venezuela and Cuba." Well said. Spot on.
I have known a number, and they were all liars and sexually deviant in some way, as the lust for power and sex are married in psychosexual ways, and an expression of a very needy screaming child, who wishes to be top dog much, much more than others, and so he stoops to expedient measures to attain his goal, rather like politicians, as a rule.
Thank god the seventies have gone, we were the sick man of Europe in them days, they brought the goverment down in the seventies and thought they could do it again in the eighties, but meet they match in Maggie, thank god them days are gone
@@fibrespider4502 : Unions cost working class people millions of job because they pushed their own political agenda instead of looking after workers. Workers were just cannon fodder in their war against Thatcher.
@@shibuya3185 Why would a union use it's members as "cannon fodder" if those people are the people that's an incredibly stupid idea that the unions and the miners cost jobs by defending their own jobs, where are the replacement jobs in Burnley, Accrington, Orgreave and 100s of cities throughout the north of England.
@@fibrespider4502 : "Why would a union use it's members as "cannon fodder" ....Er, because they have a wider political agenda, sunshine. I suggest you read up about Scargill and Co and find out why so many miners did not support him and who did not vote to strike. The reason workers have turned away from Unions in their millions is because militant unions were instrumental in workers losing their jobs in many industries especially the motor industry, mining industry, shipbuilding etc. Unions should be there to help employees and not use them to try and unseat a sitting government as they did with Thatcher.
@@shibuya3185 my uncle was doing some bricklaying at British leyland in leyland back then when the strikes was going on. A few lads walked over and said you’ve done more work in the last hour than we’ve done all week laughing and joking about it. Not to generalise everyone. But there was definitely a lazy culture in these work places and can still be seen at places like BAE because of the unions. You need them. But they was too power hungry and ended up contributing to the demise of themselves. Obviously privatisation contributed because they just wouldn’t allow them in work places and would sack staff they felt threatened by.
Working miners wanted to get to their work and go about their lawful business. If the striking miners had not broken the law and had, instead, let working miners into work there would have been no need for the police to be there! Don't they see that?! Even if Scargill had had a ballot on the strike, as he should have, there may not have been a strike. Miners blindly and ignorantly followed Scargill not understanding his Marxist agenda, he didn't care about them, he used them. Labour closed more pits that the Consevatives. The only death was caused by a miner dropping a paving slab on to a taxi taking a miner to work as it drove under a bridge. The intimidation, violence and death threats to the families of (un balloted) working miners is not even mentioned. No violence, no preventing men going about their work = no police.
I am one of those defendants walking out of Sheffield crown court 18/7/85 - it is a lifetime ago now and yet I remember it like yesterday.
What can you say about the industry that exists in Wales, Scotland and former industrial areas in England today? Was it worth it? What about the environment, worker’s rights? What was the quality of life like before the strikes versus after?
Dave L. The outcome of the Miners strike did huge damage to the trade union movement & the Labour Party, from which they have never really recovered. Even under a 'New' Labour government there were just as many pits closed as under the Tories. Where once there was employment and community there is deprivation & drugs. Looking back the country was changing, as were the people but I don't believe it was for the better. People are being left behind & no one seems to care anymore. Such as sad indictment on our society ☹️
@@craigwaddington1838 yes look at the state of the country now , energy crisis and no pits to save them from it because they decided to rely on other countries..Another wrong move , the government was out of touch then and still are
Respect comrade ❤
@@MrB00mbang better
This was a major turning point for the British police. They went from being a friend and ally to the law-abiding citizen to Thatcher's Boot boys.
It happened before just do some research.
South yorkshire police , orgreave, Hillsborough and ignoring children being raped...
Yeah they're good police 😅
I hope they got better.
@@alisonhilll4317 Hillsborough , watch and learn.
You mean corrupt, with no diversity and racist?
When the good old British Bobby became a standing army too beat down the working class fighting for their livelihood. Never forget.
It was an illegal strike to bring down the elected government.
They'd used the Army in the past...maybe for PR it looked better to train the police into mobsters...after all, they are the law...supposed to be...justice needs to be done...
"Orgreave revealed that in this country we now have a standing army available to be deployed against gatherings of civilians whose congregation is disliked by senior police officers. It is answerable to no one; it is trained in tactics which have been released to no one, but which include the deliberate maiming and injuring of innocent persons to disperse them, in complete violation of the law."
@@shibuya3185 And how do you reason the manipulation of police reports?
@@fibrespider4502 : I don't care at all. The police are continually criticised for doing their job . The miners were the one's who started the violence.
@@shibuya3185 What do you mean you don't care about the manipulation of our judicial system that is possibly one of most stupid things I've ever heard, the police purposely doctored false and misleading reports and did any legal action come to the hierarchy that ordered it to be done no of course not as a police force that is digusting and shows the corruption in this countries elite and powerful.
@@fibrespider4502 : Stop playing the victim. Go and cry on someone else's shoulder. The miners were violent scumbags who beat up innocent men and women.
@@shibuya3185 were you there? i was. have you ever heard about solidarity amongst workers? the miners were far from being scumbags.
Absolutely superb investigation and delivery - may I be so bold as to suggest that this is where the seeds were sown for the current mindset against “Europe’s Finest”?!
This very same tactic is being used against Hong Kong protesters at this very moment. We need your solidarity. Orgreave veterans, please reach out to Hongkongers and support the democracy movement!
I'm sorry Hank but it seems chinese brainwashing and propaganda has even seeped it's way to Britain. James I know you only read the daily mail but please be aware of the regulatory 1 country 2 systems law which the totalitarian and almost Orwellian state that china is at the moment is trying to erode. GO HONG KONG!
@James Henderson Ah that explains it!you must get your information from nigel farage, moggy, Alex jones and xi jinping. Hong Kong!
@James Henderson Human rights and democracy has everything to do with us, you're letting totalitarianism win, to protect democracy in 1 place you have to protect democracy everywhere democracy is strong only when its constantly defended and Hong Kong is the battleground.
@@fibrespider4502 : What a hypocrite you are. You don't respect democracy at all. You supported striking miners beating up those working class people who elected to attend work rather than take part in violent street demonstrations.
@@shibuya3185 The police force admitted that they were in the wrong as they illegally doctored evidence to wrongfully prosecute miners, the police were in full riot gear and some were on horseback, the miners were in jackets demonstrating to keep their jobs and in many cases their livelihoods.
My Dad’s side of my family are from the mining background in County Durham. I’ll never ever forgive what Thatcher did to the miners and the mining community, because she decimated parts of this community. Thatcher turned mining towns into areas of high unemployment, depression, poverty and addiction. I’ll never forgive the way the Police treated the miners at Orgreave either, they behaved like a bunch of fascist thugs. I was proud to march with the miners as a kid, as I know many other people were.
Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.
The Soviet agent Wilson closed twice as many coal mines.
Mi GRANDAD WAS A MINES RESCUE MAN.. AND MY HERO... LONG LIVE THE GREAT COAL MEN OF THIS NATION..X
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Truth and Justice Now.
Police acting as Thatcher's private armed force. Objective: suppress dissent, smash working class culture, keep the little man in his place.
Oh that's right ! now for capitalism in Russia . And ALL these problems we (stupid proletarians, without trade Union) have today ! Just like You then. So every modern video CZcams on strikes are hundreds of negative reviews of the capitalists.
There have also been aligations that the army was also used disguised as police officers. That in itself challenges democracy when a so called democratic process is suspended and martial law is emposed
Scargill suppressed dissent when he vetoed a Ballot and tried to stop people from going to work.
Only daft people.think they
. Can take on the old bill
And win
That's how it is !
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The army was there
4:20 to 4:40 may dad was stood with his brothers & Arthur scargill & stayed with them to the end,the most proudest moment of his life,I’m so proud of him.
Scargill destroyed the coal industry.
HOW SAD
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@@JamesRichards-mj9kw I don’t know the ins & outs of it all,but he was proud that he stuck it until the end
@JamesRichards-mj9kw it makes you wonder whos side he was on, calling a strike, with coal stocks at record high, in the summer and without a national ballot,
An illegal strike was never going to stop progress.
It won’t be the first time and the last time South Yorkshire Police will cover up anything, I can think of a few more big cover ups, this is when the police showed two tier policing 🤔
The drunk fans caused all of the deaths.
The Liverpool fans were 100% to blame.
MI5 acted as Agent Provocateurs, they started the throwing of bricks, it was a test case at Babbington, and honed at Orgreave.
It sounds like the cops there on that day were proud of what they did
They should be, bloody miners were strong arm thugs who thought they could bully hard working men from working to support their families.
Just thugs
A absolute disgrace .. two struggles one fight JFT97 JUSTICE for Orgreave 🔥
The Liverpool fans caused all of the deaths.
It would have been different if Scargill allowed the cameras onto the miners side to see the violence the miners were getting from the police to see the suffering in the soup kitchens but he did not
NO VIOLENCE TO SEE AND CAMERAS WOULD HAVE PROVED THAT FACT SO no cameras
Innocent children and old men were crippled in the Strike by lunatic coppers...no violence...WAS YOU THERE? I was...and if you was not, which you cannot have been...as you would have seen the corruption at hand and thuggery...then become a human...and stop lying...or are you a COP yourself...@@robertandrews5640
You have to ask yourself, why the police let so many pickets through, when they were turning pickets around in Nottingham, then they let pickets through, to try out their tactics, which they had trained for.
i was one that was done at orgeave. mine got put on file in case i got in trouble later. BUT that was over me for the rest of my life. this could have been bought up. all i worn was jeans and t shirt. they was very very heavy handed
I hope life is good for you now my friend . I have the upmost of respect for your and your brothers fighting for their jobs .
'The enemy within' was the command of the South Yorkshire Police!
And people still think we live in a democracy.
X or no voter majority
Only 2 parties and only one ever wins and the police beat up protesters. Democracy is certainly real.
I fucking love that picture of the picket folding that copper in half with a rugby tackle! You can tell he played a bit. Head to one side, shoulder in the midriff and then lift and leg drive! Text book!
Look at that comment. Miners WERE violent and vindictive in cases - look how they treated the 'scabs'. All those blokes wanted to shut down a coking plant and if this tale here is true, the cops got theirs in first.
@@MrDustpile so 🤣
Cop coward
I wonder what the scenario would have been if collieries were inside the M25.
Bang on
No love for my Kentish Colliers?
good question
I worked at Betteshanger colliery in Kent for 5 years, we was the first ones out, and last ones back.
@@Busybee65 during the war also.
They charged like the Normans.
The poor bloody miners were well and truly SCREWED!!!!
Elizabeth Reign Castillo you mean the militant thugs that ruined the mining industry by asking for too much money doing a labourers job ?
@James Henderson let me guess you are from the south east.
Coal mining was history.
@@nealbeard1 James, is probably some pen pusher from the south east, who has never done a hard days work in his life.
They screwed themselves with their selfishness and violence.
shame on you amber rudd
She's an absolute disgrace.
Doesn't want all the truth to come out that the military was there Maggie planned this throughout she wanted conflict with the miners to destroy the unions and bring the working class to their knees
@@graemehannam3950 100% workers rights since then are diluted almost gone
@@graemehannam3950 : It was the miners who were violent. Don't blame the police. The scumbag strikers even murdered a taxi driver whose only "sin" was to transport a man to work.
@@deltatoofow : Workers rights to be violent and stop others going to work have been rightly curbed. All other rights exist as before.
Scargill began a fight he could not win, and in the process destroyed the NUM.
He could have easily won if the Nottinghamshire scabs had come out on strike. Then those idiots had their pits closed in the 1990s, dumb ruling class tools.
@@thedualtransition6070 Why woud they have supported an illegal strike?
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw The strike was not illegal under the actual NUM rules. If they had voted for the strike it would also not have been illegal. Instead they simply helped the state destroy their own jobs! Seems that you have an opinion and want to make the facts fit it.
@@thedualtransition6070 The strike was ruled illegal as no national ballot was held. Over a fifth of miners continued working from the very beginning.
@@thedualtransition6070 The strike was clearly illegal, which is why so many miners refused to support it.
Good journalism
BBC?
So the cops lied .
Don't they always lie.. ACAB 👍👍
@Henry Tudor : get over your hatred of the police. Snowflakes like yourself who always whine about the police will be first in line to cry on their shoulder when you need them.
@Henry Tudor : You sound like a scumbag posting from a prison cell somewhere.
@@shibuya3185 You sound like a Tory posting from his Oxford mansion.
@@fibrespider4502 : "You sound like a Tory posting from his Oxford mansion."....that's because you're a bigot who likes to imagine the worst of those they disagree with. I have never voted Tory and have only ever passed through Oxford once.....now why don't you get that chip on your shoulder seen to?
The miners should have used fire bombs...
That’s just stupid.
Coal-powered ones
If I was there I would be throwing more than rocks.
@adamquirke602shit house4
Tory pedo
We were too lenient against the illegal strikers.
The police and government in South Yorkshire have neglected the area for decades Hillsborough, the miners strikes the Rotherham grooming incident when’s it gonna stop
Ironically we need that sort of policing now in 2024
No we don’t, people should always have the right to strike and protest in a so called democracy. People have the right to protest against war whether it be in Gaza or anywhere else in the world. This current lot running the country would have us at war with Russia if they could they’re that insane. People also have the right to strike for better working conditions and wages too. Stop being a bootlicker for the establishment, because they don’t give a damn about any of us regardless of our gender, race or religion. I’m so done with the left versus right paradigm, because the system is rigged against working class people and they just want us to shut up and be good obedient workers who won’t complain about anything.
Your comment hasn’t aged well ….
@@muckle8 unlike me 😜. Do you like fluffy handcuffs?
@joedredd we need cops who protect the public against the corporations. Not the other way around .
@@muckle8 fully agree with you muckle nor should they be used as pawns by politicians.
Thatchers Gestapo dicided to go out there clubbing and making the miners the bad guys.
Er, it was the miners who murdered a taxi driver whose only "sin" was to drive a worker to his place of employment. It was the miners who violently attacked others who simply wanted to go to work to feed their families. It was the miners who unlawfully blocked roads to stop people going to work. For these scumbags now to blame the police, is laughable but typical of their "always play the victim" attitude.
@@shibuya3185 Yes the "scumbags" who lost their jobs, livelihoods, communities, rights and their chances to have decent life and provide for their families, those "scumbags"?
Not to mention the police reports that were changed and manipulated to demonize the miners. Shibuya please go to any mining town in the North and ask any person of about 70 about the miners strikes and you may get a picture of what actually happened and how much the Tories have failed British people.
@@fibrespider4502 : If you actually stopped frothing at the mouth and took the trouble to read my posts you would know that the scumbags I am referring to are the strikers, not those miners who did not go on strike. You would also know that I am originally from the North and come from a family of miners, although I was never one myself. When members of my family knew their mines were to be closed, they got off their arse's and found jobs elsewhere. They didn't expect the government to subsidise their wages and, as far as I know, not one even went on the dole. They didn't stop those miners who wanted to work, from doing so. They weren't violent towards the police. The Tories were correct in closing unprofitable mines that the scumbags wanted the taxpayer to subsidise.
@@shibuya3185 Labour were the ones who closed the unprofitable mines which is fair mining is a business and in the end if the mine was at the end of it's life then it should be closed but by this point there were plenty of profitable mines which Thatcher closed because she wanted to beat down the working class and the union and used the police as her stick.
Sounds like your family managed out of the desolation that Thatcher caused and good on them for finding other jobs and being able to raise a family but many miners weren't so lucky.
Thatcher was probably the worst PM we've ever had she denied the working class all but the very basic job rights and decent wages for a difficult and oft dangerous job and she divided a nation which I think this comments section has well and truly proven.
@@fibrespider4502 : This comments section has proved only that there are many in the UK who are in favour of Socialism and government handouts. As a very wise lady once said "the problem with Socialists is that they soon run out of other peoples money". What the polls have shown at the past few elections is that more voters support the Tories than any other party because they are intelligent enough to know that closing unprofitable businesses makes sense and that, for centuries, people have moved to where the jobs are instead of playing the victim and wanting handouts, as so many of my fellow Northerners do.
Oh the iron will and the iron hand ....
Cue tory comments
Look out I see Boris Johnson in the horde!
@@fibrespider4502 : Thank Heavens for Boris. We now have independence.....and an electorate that is recognising that Socialism is a thing of the past.
@@shibuya3185 Bye bye Scotland and northern ireland it was nice knowing you
I say fair play to the miners they was just standing up for them self's to think thatcher was going to use the army against there own people out of order they closed the pits and used cheap coal from other countries good on the miners I say
Ultimately, in the grander scale of things it just all didn't add up...
A mining industry over-producing an expensive (but potentially highly profitable...) deep mined product that couldn't find any new customers, with a riled-up labour force who didn't want to lose what they had irrespective of there being absolutely no market for the millions of coal tonnage they kept on producing & stockpiling...
Where is the footage of the whole day gone..? Would love to see how bent police carry themselves
i study and teach history and when people ask about the spanish civil war, i liken them to the belligerents of the 1984 miners strike.
The police will always support our loyals & masters
Regards the brutality and lies of the Police in that strike, it's no wonder the public neither trust nor respect them. My own opinion is that instead of throwing bricks at the uniformed thugs, they should have used Molotovs. Would have been well deserved.
BOLLOCKS.
Molotovs? More like nuclear warheads. I don’t care about the consequences in this case as long as it works.
" The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher
'Clement Atlee has entered the chat'
Nice name btw.
Biggest act of socialism in recent history?
Bailing out private banks with hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayer money.
And then telling poor people and immigrants that the crash was all their fault.
@@helmethead72 : Except that neither of what you claim actually happened. Why the fake news, snowflake?
@@shibuya3185 2008 financial crash?
@@fibrespider4502 : What about it? It would have been much worse if the UK government was still spending billions supporting unprofitable coal mines as well as snowflakes like yourself who are eternally unhappy with the amount of the handouts they get from the government.
The police did the statements as a Mail Merge.
No one had thought of
Alternative employment
That was the problem
Thats kinda the 1 of the points there's only 2 major job classes in the North now retail and agriculture, agriculture creating rather few jobs and you can't support a family on a retail job.
@@fibrespider4502 : Then get off your lazy arse and move where the jobs are. My family did. Best thing they ever did.
@@shibuya3185 Isn't it the government's job to ensure that if you put 100,000s of people out of jobs you give them other jobs in their area, or at least our government would if it actually cared about the working class.
@@fibrespider4502 : "Isn't it the government's job to ensure that if you put 100,000s of people out of jobs you give them other jobs in their area.......A stupid question. Of course it isn't governments job to do that. Businesses close all the time. Every single day. It's up to people to get off their arse's and find work elsewhere. You obviously want a government that is your nanny from cradle to grave. Most people in the uK have the balls to fend for themselves.
Shibuya Which explains why the number of prescriptions for antidepressants went up from 32 million in 2012 to 64 million last year. Nine million are living on the breadline. Half the workforce have nothing in the bank, most of the other half have less than 500 quid and only 2% have more than 5 grand.
And you have nothing to say about the corruption exposed in this documentary.
Corporate bootlicker.
Was political policing- total disgrace to attack working men like this
The strike was illegal.
I remember me & Mrs on hols in Corfu and lot of Coppers were there 1985/6 bragin about Miners paying for their holiday, we were disgusted at em ! STILL ARE !
The Met police were involved, as was the army, and they used to wave twenty pound notes in their faces showing off about the overtime pay they were on , just to provoke them . I knew of a Met copper who'd never been to Yorkshire in his life before this and said afterwards it was the best thing that ever happened . He bragged about being able to put a deposit on a new house on the money he earned , ( paid for out of our taxes ) for what he earned out of those few months . Meanwhile back in Yorkshire , hard working miners were having their homes repossessed. Shameful .
Army wouldn't have been paid overtime ,They never have been either
@@Mark64W Yes, I was there, and saw the struggles, which are still ongoing. When people choose their jobs, there is always an number of inner motivations that drive people, or inspire them to a certain type of vocation. It's interesting that one of the main psychological games played by psychopaths, is the game of cops and robbers. It consists of one party proving that the other party are criminals, or crooked in some way, so it is a power game in relation to morality. Then, at the end of the game, they say you're nicked, or copped. I have been wrongly arrested, as have many people, including miners, but to the psychopath, or should I say policeman, you're bent, whether they have evidence or not, as these beasts, or pigs if you will, simply accuse others of their own faults, hence why their jobs suit their personalities. And they relish these power games more than others, as they can earn large amounts of money, and promotions through these games, and no matter how they earn these, they find a way of feeling sanctified by it all. The Tories too played this game against the miners, by labelling us as the enemy within. We were brutes, thugs, scum, morons, brainless idiots, despite the fact that almost every miner knew by heart the greater issues at stake during and before the strike, and were willing to fight for the ideal, and the good of the community. Compare that to the police, especially those who came up from south, and one can see the divisions within our society, north and south, and upper and lower classes. These issues have caused a lot of problems down the years, just look at how the army moved in on the Welsh miners early in the 20th century, and it all illustrates that most people cannot trust their governments and politicians, nor those who at their command seek to impose, or maintain order, note order, not goodness, or justice!!! That will come through the karmic reactions, for what a man sows, he must reap at some time, of that I am certain, and this explains the many storms that befall the earth now. And it all started with the miner's strike... ISH.
Army weren't there... that's nearly as bigger myth as clean-burning coal...! 🙄
... and justice for all
i was there on two occasions,on one of them can remember being herded into a walled field by the police on horseback,we was all baaing like sheep,we did nothing wrong at all but the police still singled out people and put them in the vans
If you were preventing people going to work then you were doing something wrong. Stop playing the victim.
@@shibuya3185 Says the person trying to make the government look like the victim in a comments section of a video where even the police interviewed admit that they were at least partly at fault.
@@fibrespider4502 : The police always apologise. It was the NUM that started attacking working class people who only wanted to go to work. If a couple of striking thugs got hurt then they should not have been breaking the law.
@@shibuya3185 Are you going to watch the video or not bother since it proves you wrong so badly?
And the police reports?
Maybe the police are apologizing because they were in the wrong, possibly?
@@fibrespider4502 : I've watched numerous videos of the striking miners attacking policemen as well as men and women trying to get to work. The violent miners were scum who deserved anything they got from the police. Stop playing the victim and blaming the police because a bunch of striking yobbos got what was coming to them.
one thing not mentioned, is a lot of the front line police gave money to the striking minors to feed there familys
Mining had become uneconomic
Same as loading ships by hand
In Liverpool
This country was brought to
A standstill.in the early 70s
Thatcher wasn't going to let
It happen again
Total crap mining wasn't uneconomic and will be restarted in 40yrs here we have so much left
Utter garbage Bernard
Bernie : Well said, although I doubt that those playing the victim here will ever agree on that.
@@shibuya3185 The Tory victimiser strikes again!
@Henry Tudor : Er, no ratbag. I won't so you can whine all you like.
The police were Bastards to the Miners, i remember well
The police where vicious... My family was cold and hungry?..... I was so naive at the time being 26.. My understanding became to my family family strikers.
A lot of miners, called out on strike by Scargill, in the summer, with record coal stocks and without a ballot, went cold and hungry, Scargill never, he was taxied round in a jag, getting rich. The miners were let down by government and Union alike.
Hows Lavery's mortgage repayments going?
its a police state , always was , is and always will be !
You need to go to a country that really is a police state. If there had been no unlawful activity by the striking miners on the working miners there would have been no heed for the police. The police did their duty.
smashing people over the head ?
Louise The police did what they were told. But it doesn’t take a genius to realise that this isn’t morally right. The way these people were treated is the epitome of police brutality 😂
A police state? What an absurd statement. You really need to travel a bit.
@@shibuya3185 On this occasion I agree with you.
We should have used tanks and the air force against the illegal strikers.
so 5000 pickets turn up at a coking plant to shut it down and the police are the bandies for enforcing the law and rights of the workers in this plant, its a joke i understand there maybe an enquiry now if Corbyn is elected well i hope it is to also prosecute those pickets that regarded extreme violence as a legitimate right, the police only stood up to those thugs who thought they had the right to bully people and anyone who thought that the police would send only a couple of offices to control a mob of 5000 miners is an idiot and they got all they deserved people like scargill had no interest in miners he just used them as pawns in his anti government agenda as history has now shown he retired on a fat pension and benefits paid for by union funds and was paid while miners relied on handouts union officials should only get strike pay like the rest ,any misdemeanours by police should be prosecuted as justice should also prosecute miners who broke the law
Thuggish mob rule by these picketers has no place in this country. Thank god for the thin blue line!
it was the police that were the thugs you pillock
@@shibuya3185 No they beat down the working class and lied about it. They broke the law.
@@shibuya3185 correction, their Democratic right to protest unlike the police's unlawful manipulation of reports and the PM's unlawful suspension of parliament the police should be arresting Boris.
@@fibrespider4502 : "their Democratic right to protest"....They have no democratic right to beat up so called "scabs" who are just ordinary working class people who want to attend work and earn money to feed their families.
Only a bigot would forget that old people have a democratic right to receive coal and only a bigot would forget that people have a democratic right to attend work without striking scumbags beating them up en route.
the bbc agitated this strike by siding with tories
What use is you're justice when all the mines are gone
That doesn’t make sense
There are so many reasons what the milk snatcher done was wrong and you spit this gibberish out 💀
@@Thumb_ Milk snatcher?!?! 😂 You disgusting people are all milk snatchers, stealing milk from cows. The milk is intended for cows’ young. Cows are raped and forcibly impregnated over and over, their young kidnapped and murdered, and their milk stolen. When they are deemed no good they are killed also. Then little old you come along and suggest MT was a milk snatcher! I’m glad the mines are closed and that it supposedly decimated the mining areas. You people are troglodytes stuck in the Stone Age and that’s where you belong.
@@HumansAreShitFactories I reference Margaret’s strange hatred of milk and you start lecturing me on animal rights? No need to get so deep, it’s just Maggie stealing milk.
@@Thumb_ You are about two standard deviations left on the bell curve.
FFS watching this on 13/02/24 I just cant believe how the sense of impunity granted to certain supposedly exceptionalist groups in this crazy world emboldens them to commit absolute atrocities. Free Palestine NOW
Has anyone ever thought this would have never happened if they didn't go on strike?
John Smith . They went on strike to try and save their jobs , homes , community and secure a future for their children . What were they supposed to do ? Just shrug their shoulders and say ' Oh , never mind there is only 75,000 of us going to end up on the dole ' ? I don't mean to be rude but were you Marie Antoinette in a previous life ? Kind regards , Mark .
what did that get them, nothing?
Sign on sign on with a pen in your hand and you'll never work again scab and proud
Lovely to see Baroness Thatcher smashing the enemy within
We knew then, what most know now, that the enemy within were the Tories and Thatcher. Scum, not humans, divorced from reality, and willing to murder and steal the lives of the backbone of British society (the most honest, hard-working, and least greedy, selfless beings-over half of Barnsley was owned by co-ops at one time, then compare that to the sleeze-balls and crooks who run government, especially the Tories, as has been seen recently numerous times, as they line their crooked pockets), destroying their communities, and the hopes of families across these coalfields, and intentionally causing a war in the Falklands, and killing many Argentine and British soldiers to further their power and financial gains. Only lunatics cannot see though these maniacs, people similar in nature to the white men who invaded the US and desecrated the lives of the native Indians, stealing their land through lies and murder, then questioning their integrity in many ways, when they lived a far superior life to the white man. And now look where we are, facing extinction through these leaders of falsehood, deception and greed, who exonerate themselves with their silky fork-tongues. Lies, lies, and damn lies, and they will be damned, for whatever is sown, must be reaped. Watch the karma come back now, as the truth begins to surface, which will not only illustrate who and what is right, but liberate the human spirit, so we have genuine leaders at last!!!
Wat hard working men
this crank is for you a hole
Comrade Arthur must have known the British state would never allow the strike to win. If it had the U.K. would have entered a new dark age and joined the likes of Venezuela and Cuba.
How exactly?
@@fibrespider4502 : Obviously because Socialists would have the upper hand and we all know the disaster that follows every Socialist government.
@@shibuya3185 Clement Atlee's government?
"Comrade Arthur must have known the British state would never allow the strike to win. If it had the U.K. would have entered a new dark age and joined the likes of Venezuela and Cuba."
Well said. Spot on.
@@shibuya3185 Could I have an answer instead of you self glorifying each other?
They just wanted they coke cain from them trucks
Closing the mines was the best thing that ever happened.
U thinking about the money or the people when u make this statement?
another troll or just an idiot-and how is that then? come up and have a little chat in a pub in selby ya fucking dick
Joe McMullen well said.
@@adamquirke6024 You think it can think? It's a troll! Don't feed it and it will die!
@G B Have you ever asked anyone who was actually there about that?
POLICE LIE as a Rule
I have known a number, and they were all liars and sexually deviant in some way, as the lust for power and sex are married in psychosexual ways, and an expression of a very needy screaming child, who wishes to be top dog much, much more than others, and so he stoops to expedient measures to attain his goal, rather like politicians, as a rule.
Thank god the seventies have gone, we were the sick man of Europe in them days, they brought the goverment down in the seventies and thought they could do it again in the eighties, but meet they match in Maggie, thank god them days are gone
They certainly weren't the best of times but I do wish that we still had an industry and unions for the workers.
@@fibrespider4502 : Unions cost working class people millions of job because they pushed their own political agenda instead of looking after workers. Workers were just cannon fodder in their war against Thatcher.
@@shibuya3185 Why would a union use it's members as "cannon fodder" if those people are the people that's an incredibly stupid idea that the unions and the miners cost jobs by defending their own jobs, where are the replacement jobs in Burnley, Accrington, Orgreave and 100s of cities throughout the north of England.
@@fibrespider4502 : "Why would a union use it's members as "cannon fodder" ....Er, because they have a wider political agenda, sunshine. I suggest you read up about Scargill and Co and find out why so many miners did not support him and who did not vote to strike.
The reason workers have turned away from Unions in their millions is because militant unions were instrumental in workers losing their jobs in many industries especially the motor industry, mining industry, shipbuilding etc.
Unions should be there to help employees and not use them to try and unseat a sitting government as they did with Thatcher.
@@shibuya3185 my uncle was doing some bricklaying at British leyland in leyland back then when the strikes was going on. A few lads walked over and said you’ve done more work in the last hour than we’ve done all week laughing and joking about it. Not to generalise everyone. But there was definitely a lazy culture in these work places and can still be seen at places like BAE because of the unions. You need them. But they was too power hungry and ended up contributing to the demise of themselves. Obviously privatisation contributed because they just wouldn’t allow them in work places and would sack staff they felt threatened by.
Working miners wanted to get to their work and go about their lawful business. If the striking miners had not broken the law and had, instead, let working miners into work there would have been no need for the police to be there! Don't they see that?! Even if Scargill had had a ballot on the strike, as he should have, there may not have been a strike. Miners blindly and ignorantly followed Scargill not understanding his Marxist agenda, he didn't care about them, he used them. Labour closed more pits that the Consevatives. The only death was caused by a miner dropping a paving slab on to a taxi taking a miner to work as it drove under a bridge. The intimidation, violence and death threats to the families of (un balloted) working miners is not even mentioned. No violence, no preventing men going about their work = no police.
Louise They didn’t break the Law... They were peacefully picketing!
Fatha was a scab im guessing , Mansfield lass?
Louise, Being a supporter of people going about their lawful business, you would welcome a public enquiry into the violence at Orgeave then?
Louise is from Mansfield, ignore her
Louise : Great post.