Helping A Grand Prix Dressage Rider: The Principles Of Training In Action:
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2020
- Warwick demonstrates the Principles of Training while helping a Grand Prix Dressage rider fix some issues.
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16:09, she finally opens that inside rein properly instead of pulling up/back, and the horse drops to the walk instantly. Pulling up at the rising trot, she was adding energy and the horse was responding. Just that little thing, a true wide rein cue, opened a gate to dump excess energy and the horse responds so promptly. Clearly he's sensitive and willing! This is wonderful to watch!
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Brilliant observant
Very interesting approach, dealing with the psychology of the horse not wanting to be in the arena, working. Rather than just drilling body exercises. Once the horse's mind is engaged in the work, the body issues will correct.
Many riders, especially in dressage, seem to forget that horses do actually have thinking brains - they're not just a body that needs to be constantly corrected and drilled. Get their mind right and you're halfway there.
The last minute or so of this video is the gold of the lesson. So often horses can be obedient but we haven't really accomplished anything yet.
"it's not choose where you punish, it's choose where you work". Beautiful
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I love learning about emotional resetting, and about destination addiction.
Great psychology, getting into the horses mind... fix that - then the techniques, and body mechanics can be worked on effectively...
Seems a few folks missed that this was a mind exercise - for the horse.
Which must be addressed through the intersectionality of learning theory and bio-mechanics. The research is pellucidly clear on this.
@@hayekfriedman9078 indeed - but this lesson was not about dressage - it was about the horses psychology, the bio mechanics were not addressed, because the horses head was not in it... the mental outlook was the only idea being shown.
@@hayekfriedman9078 Specialisation in dressage is not what this horse needs at the moment and is why he has ended up here.
@@loredelore7286 exactly! She was rushing specialization training with a young horse who didn't know all the basics yet!
Seems to me it was a human issue primarily!
I guess that's part of why the old-time trainers say long miles make a good horse. If you're out there, not having landmarks to key to, they learn to just travel. They're also depending on you to choose rest spots, etc. That sound about right? It's just a thought I had. That whole losing it when traveling faster thing seems to me to be symptomatic of not getting out enough to run of their own accord, and not having that early playtime in an open area with other youngsters. Again, just a thought. I could be wrong.
It is very evident that you really want to help your students. You have the knowledge to identify the problem and desire and patience to correct it in them. Great work!
Such a great lesson. 👏👏👏 Warwick Schiller is a gift to horses & riders everywhere. So happy that you are not only getting in to the horse's mind... but hopefully changing many owners/riders minds and attitudes as well. Thank you so much for putting these videos on CZcams.
Warwick, you are a gift to horsekind. If I were queen I would require all owners and riders of horses to spend 1 week with you. Thank you for what you do.
Hello beautiful, how are you doing??
Hope you're doing great?
Its interesting to see the difference in the beginning and the end, where she was overcorrecting him and making his head come behind the vertical, which could be a part of the issue. Makes me wonder if shes watching his head at all, or only paying attention to his body. Im glad you focused on his body instead of head and body together. That over-compensation with the reins seemed to be a big issue between them as well, and doing the work-rest-work-rest cycle definitely helped! 👍
Fantastic video, I can’t wait to see the next ones. It is so good to see your principles in action, really really helps
Excellent!!! You’re helping me so much!!!
Brilliant as always. Its easy to be critical here but its not a dressage problem and like a lot of horses in any discipline end up with a bad rap because the symptoms and not the cause went unnoticed in pursuit of a goal which is probably competition driven.
Right - it could as easily be a plow horse or pack mule problem.
No, it's not a dressage specific problem, I bet that there are a ton of western competitive horses that also suffer from over-management when freshly started under saddle. Instead of just letting them find their own balance under the rider and then only very carefully starting to actively influence their gait, body position etc.
@@petrairene Over management and micro management is endemic in the horse world sadly. People are generally utterly confused as to horses, see it everyday, horses are screaming in emotional pain but they are not being heard.
@@loredelore7286 Dressage is full management of the horses body. That's the reason why it takes at least 5 years to train a Grand Prix horse from scratch. You can't ask this level of body management from the start. You only introduce it when you start working on straightness and collection. You introduce it gently, and in small doses and make sure that the horse is comfortable with it. The first two years is just to find balance, develop strength, get good tempo changes installed. And then if the horse is happily doing this it will not have a problem to start straightness, lateral work, collecting etc.
The sign of a well trained dressage horse is the willingness and ability to do what you ask.
@@petrairene Very well said indeed.
Out of center, with a nice background. I like it Warwick. 😊
Good one..thank you, Warwick...
I'm an avid fan of yours Warwick. I must have watched all the available videos on your CZcams channel - I scroll through them all as there's something to learn in every one of them. I love to learn and have had a wonderful journey so far with my now rising 6 year old mare who I have owned since she was 8 months old. Thank you for all the valuable lessons in your videos and podcasts so far. #journeyon20
I really enjoyed this and learned a bunch!
Great video but I want that chestnut you are riding.
B G - yes, me too. Also, that horse named Oscar ♥️♥️♥️🐴♥️♥️
This was so cool. Thank you!
Thank you, I love this video...so helpful to start to understand the horses’s emotions and how to train smarter with that information.
Yeah ☺️☺️
Hello beautiful, how are you doing??
Always valuable nuggets of knowledge I can use ... and I don’t have a horse!!
This video series helped me and my horse so much. I never really understood 'subtle' destination addiction and how it could cause bulging and other things I was working against. This was a major lightbulb moment for me! Thank you Schiller :) #journeyon20
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I can't say it's my favourite video, simply because there are so many, but it's definitely one that made things click for me even more. I found you, Warwick, when I started to ride again after a 15 year break. I had stopped, because I had become too afraid. When I finally did get back to riding, I did so as an adult who likes nothing more than going deep into a subject, so very different from the child and teenager I was who just liked to be on and around horses. Also, there was internet now and so much information so easily available and not only words and pictures, but videos which makes such a big difference. And I soaked it all up, all the masterclasses with top German dressage trainers. It was you, however, who made me understand not only how a horse thinks and what they are looking for and why the training works, but why we do dressage. Your principles of training, the way you break things down and explain, I just got it right away. And once I got all of that, any fear just left also. A fear that is reasonable, btw, when you think a bucking bolting horse is normal and you just have to deal with, if you want to ride horses. So, thank you so much for that.
Warwick has done a lot of mindset shifting in his life and that is an awesome example to all of us… if we open to new ways, set our goal to have the best relationship with ourselves and our fellow Earth travelers, then we will find ways that n ring us to those glorious goals of harmony, efficiency, joy, and success that is win win for all involved.
There are a few others out there with that same goal and have grown so wise:
Klaus F Hempfling is one who embodies a person who has mastered himself and his body language to the point that horses respond almost instantly to his subtle cues.
Steven Young horsemanship is another who goes to people all over Wales and the surrounding countries to help resolve issues between horses and people. His gentle respectful corrections of people’s habits, thinking, and actions bring so much change along with his resetting the horse’s mindset.
Then we have Think Like a Horse, Rick Gore, who often is asked to review other people’s videos and explain in frame by frame what is is going on in the language of people and horses. One just has to filter out the people bashing of those who he feels are not working with horses in a way that helps, and are causing issues. I would love to see him have as much compassion and guidance for those people to help them turn themselves around too… maybe one day. In the meantime, his horse wisdom is spot on.
Add others please and why… Warwick is a treasure amongst the horse people of the world who are opening people’s minds to ways of having harmony between the species!
@@louisegogel7973 These are great recs. Rick Gore is one where I admire his insight on horses but struggle to continue watching because of his venom towards people. I'm interested in watching more by James French, who does a lot of work with connection/peace/compassion with animals, including horses.
Really very good exellent content😊
What a beautiful mane!!
Amazing😊😊😊!
Just my 2 cents, I loved this video because I think the actual solution was that you helped her let go! When she started the work the horse was very over bent and closed in the throat latch. That causes him to lean on his shoulders rather then lift his front end, and then straightness is very difficult. When you had her let go, the horse could reach his neck and open his throat latch and flow with his hind legs, and keep his shoulders/front end up. He can actually swing through his whole body. He completely changed. So to me it was brilliant, mostly because she let go without realizing it!
I was thinking the same thing about her holding the reigns too tightly… but I am a novice really and learning learning learning so much through these, Klaus Hempfling, and Stege Young’s videos.
I too saw that when she loosened up, so did the horse.
It would have been helpful to know the age of the horse. The training scale is rhythm suppleness contact impulsion straightness collection. You need the first four components before you can have straightness. Towards the end of the video the horse was more forward and therefore the other building blocks started to come together. In the beginning you can see the horse behind the leg and pushing the rider out of balance by throwing her to the outside due to him blocking. Interesting assessment of the psychology of the horses mind. Looking forward to see the next session. As the great masters say. Ride your horse forward and straight. 😎
That gelding is stinkin' cute hahahaha, I'm sure on his own he is brimming with personality
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She is a much smarter rider than I am. My horse finally got that "over managing" or "nagging" message across to me. It took my horse 6 years to teach me that. Looks like it only took that rider five minutes.
Bravo to all three of you.
Glad you did get it!! I bet you help others to be alert to such issues now.
My horse has come back from schooling I've hacked out and on two occasions gone into canter and the horse has tried to speed up and when half halted to slow down has had a bucking fit. How can I prevent this from happening and losing confidence
Just watching the first few minutes where the rider is at a walk and is discussing what the horse is doing, one of which is that he is dropping his shoulder - I couldn’t help notice that at theses points in the conversation that the rider was not at all straight in her position,, shoulders tilting in considerably, pushing her hips to the outside. It would be interesting to see what difference could be made in keeping her body aligned when asking the horse to move off her leg. Any thoughts on this Warwick?
How was her body the next day when the horse did a straight circle?
Desr warwick. I absolutely love this and yet I have some questions that confuse me. I rde with an inside to an inside feel where we dont think that trotting and cantering is hard work, but resting is the good. There everything has to feel good. We take lots of breaks because that also feels good. So i totally get the dont fix me alll the time, because it becomes annoying. I totally get make the wrong hard and the right thing easy, because it fits with inside to inside feel. I just dont get wheres the rest. I see it works, which i swhy it is confusing me. It seems to build up energy, but my head cant understand how if they sre looking for rest. I am so wanting to understand. Mybhesitation towards implementig it is that to me it seems to go against the idea that a full walk, trot and canter plus dressage ride should be fun from end to end. i do however get why not all the time choosing direction etc works, I see it is a dance where we take turns suggesting steps and we answer each. My ultimate goal is to enjoy what we do together i try very hard to avoid pressure and if I do use pressure I use it with a light heart and a clarity feel to it. Could you help me understand. Cant wait to see episode two. I find this SUPER interesting (have watched ALL your videos - more than once) and love to ponder sbout this stuff
You dont create energy, your horse already has energy. If he wants to move, and you also want him to move theres no problem at all. If he wants to move and you want want him to, you make it harder for him to move (bend, change of direction, etc just dont stop him yourself). If he stops, you let him be. And finally, if he doesnt want to move but you want him to, make the standing still part hard
A Vs right... so more like a principal for when you are not on the same page. Cant get an indeside to inside feel then you can use some principals to actually get on the same page. I like it...
@@idabrinck-lund8755 exactly :)
i love your videos, but I think we are missing the most important point here.. WHY does she not like the arena.. if you ride your horse overflexed and overbend offcourse they avoid the work.
Offcourse when she let him have his own head he felt better.
I agree. That’s also why he was falling in and out- losing his balance. He was restricted in his neck, dropped his shoulders and then he can’t be straight. When she let go and let him reach he started to swing and be happy and could balance! To me that was the real solution!
Where do I go to watch the rest of this training. Do I need a subscription?
czcams.com/video/_WPhkAq2nIA/video.html
Here's part 2.
Hello 👋, how are you doing?
MAKE the WRONG thing HARD
MAKE the CORRECT thing EASY
Hey mate, I'm a little bit bipolar or easily aggravated but not with my horse but sometimes I don't ride or work him because he can tell my mood. My question is how do you get yourself ready or in a good enough place to ride one of those bad days?
I reckon this would be a judgement call, does being with your horse help you enough during those bad days to make up for the fact that you're not in the best state to be taking care of him? If you have an older seasoned horse who can carry you through it then I would say it's okay, but if you have a younger horse who is easily affected, then I would choose, for the horse's sake, not to ride on those bad days.
He wants to be left alone because she is keeping his nose behind the vertical, and he can't bring his hind feet under himself. When he straightensaid himself let him forward on a loose rein, let him teach himself to balance himself.
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What does on the buckle mean?
Holding the reins super loose- so your hands are basically on the buckle connecting the two reins.
Good question
@@makendrasilverman211 Thank you :)
@@lisafoster4468 And thank you both: for the questions and the answer! I learn.
I'd say the horse is confused and unhappy when being ridden so he goes to the gate in hopes someone will put him in his stall where he will feel content and secure.
My horse tilts her head sideways when i flex her, especially in the saddle. How do i teach her she should keep her head straight?
Get her teeth checked. When that's been addressed, if you have the same issue, consider doing her TMJ's...and/or full lameness exam.
Make sure you use an actual equine vet THAT DOES upper end competition horses...preferably an older veterinarian. Unfortunately, many veterinarians do not have the knowledge or the experience to do much for you, except run up your bill with diagnostics.
@@HeyWatchMeGo Going to the dentist was the first thing we did before we ever even worked her. Her teeth were absolutely horrible, couldn't even eat grass. Hadn't been looked at in years. Our usual dentist (no sedation, not electrical, at home) could do nothing for her. We had to go to a clinic, hire a trailer company, with sedation and electrical, and it still took an hour on the first appointment. Also had a bloodworm infection of 2000+. That was months ago though, back in June/July. She already had a second check up (went amazing!) And an older vet looked at her mobility both times. (And did a full check the first time, even looking at her eyes etc) First appointment, left front and back weren't pure. We didn't work her at all for 2 months, just put on the 50 kg prescribed she needed, and occasionally walked her on hand. Gave her the feed reccommended by the dentist, and added supplements for her joints. Second check, front was completely solid. Back had a slight pull but she just got a nasty scrape on it the day before out in pasture, which could be the cause. I am allowed to train her every other day, and have done a lot of ground work before ever getting on. (Also to make sure she would walk normally even after excersize, always careful now haha)
In conclusion, medical reasons are completely ruled out. However, she was a dressage horse before this oredeal, so she knew nothing about flexing or even proper groundwork etc. She learns super fast though!
You may want to check out this article to be sure you flexing her properly. :) Also this can be done on the ground standing in front of the horse, so you can better monitor for straightness. Good luck! valmontfarms.com.au/index.php/2020/02/27/lateral-flexion-isnt-the-devil/
@@terryst9835 While it did aid on the why, i'm still needing to find a how! How do i unteach improper flexing, and teach the proper?
@@lightblaze460 You may want to watch this video from Warwick. Something else that may help, if you are working from in front of the horse, have a hand on either side of the halter, ask with the right hand to flex right, if the head twists, you can 'hold' it with the left hand and slide your right up her jaw/cheek area to apply a bit of pressure leftwards to straighten the head, in order to keep the ears level. Try to hold it in the right position for up to 10 seconds, but if she can only do it for a few seconds at first, release and reward, and then try again. Initially she may only be able to get her head slightly to the side while maintaining that straightness, but focus on that part and then build the muscle that allows her to go farther to the side slowly over many sessions. Focusing on the 'right' way to do it will eventually overide her old way. Hope that helps! czcams.com/video/LgrqCK7arLA/video.html
Let go of the rabbits (angst)
I lose the sound at 18:50 for about a minute
I just relistened, and I can hear at 18.50. Check you have both speakers working.
I loose stereo sound there, it turns to mono for me for a minute or so. Then goes back to stereo.