GOEX RETURNS | Estes Energetics CEO Answers YOUR QUESTIONS
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- As previously reported, on September 8, 2023, the first shipment of newly produced GOEX Blackpowder since Estes Energetics purchased the brand is available to muzzleloading enthusiasts. Around 1,800 lbs of 2F, 3F, and 4F “regular” GOEX made its way to the NMLRA National Championships in Friendship Indiana.
In conjunction with the delivery, GOEX representatives were in attendance at the NMLRA National Championships from September 9-11 to answer questions, meet with muzzleloading enthusiasts, and learn more about the growing community of blackpowder shooters.
I was able to sit down with the GOEX representatives on Saturday, September 9 to ask some of the questions of the muzzleloading community.
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VIDEO CHAPTERS
00:39 What is the new GOEX Price?
1:11 When will GOEX be available?
1:47 Changes to Company/Facility
3:40 Changes to GOEX Powder formula?
6:40 Government Contracts / Control(?)
10:39 How much did Estes Spend on GOEX?
10:50 How do Military orders affect
the Muzzleloading market?
12:26 Can GOEX produce enough?
14:39 GOEX Release schedule
17:01 Old Eynsford return?
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Thanks Ethan! We all appreciate everything you do for the Muzzleloading hobby!
WHOT Hobby..??
For some of us it is a Religion..!
@@ENIGMAXII2112 LOL 👍
You are correct. I can tell you from experience working in shops that did government contract work over the years. The government does not care how you get the order filled, so long as you meet the delivery schedule, and also meet the current ISO standards and federal sourcing laws. Most companies prioritize the government orders though, as missing a deadline not only incurs a penalty, but can also keep you from getting future contracts.
I picked up some 3F and 4F last week at my local dealer for $24 a pound. Love that GOEX.
That a good price , we pay in Australian dollars $132 for 2.2 lbs about $85 usd.
How did it feel , getting reamed in the booty bone dry ?? 24 dollars a pound , that’s freaking insane. That shit at most should only be about 7.99 a pound retail.
Thanks for bringing us up to date on this highly anticipated topic and for all the ML news sharing you do here. Comforting to see the packaging remains basically the same, but more importantly that Estes is ensuring the QC of their production plant, thereby helping to ensure the long-term viability of blackpowder production here in the US. Can't wait to get my hands on some - it's been a long wait, but very happy to see its return. Now if only percussion cap production can follow suit.
Ain't that the truth about foreign caps.
Thanks you Ethan for all your effort in bringing this news forward.
Now if we just had caps…😂
Yeah it's a hell of a good feeling to be able to keep our US supply of powder
Woohoo!! Didn't get the chance to attend this year. Truly we all appreciate the hard work and dedication you put into your work Ethan! Thank you so much from everyone in the community, keep up the amazing work. Praying you and yours are doing well.
I drove 2 hours and 45 minutes to buy 2 pounds of SWISS. The guy in front of me bought at least 15 pounds of GOEX. Hopefully I will be able to shoot in the Offhand Match next year.
Great video. Thanks. As much as many of us in the shooting sports are suspicious of the federal government (and too often for good reason), having GOEX seen as an important part of the domestic US defense infrastructure is a very good thing for long-term availability of domestic black powder.
AWESOME ! Hopefully it will be hitting the shelves nationwide soon.
This is my first time commenting on your channel I subscribe I like your videos. I am happy that GOEX it’s making a comeback!!!
Awesome !! Living in Pennsylvania This News it is greatly appreciated !! Thank You !!
Estes Energetics has a vested interest in ensuring reliable black powder production, over and above their government contracts. Their parent company, Estes Industries, is probably the best known manufacturer of model rocket motors. All Estes motors are black powder based, so one can imagine they go through quite a bit of powder in a given year.
I am glad to see it back.
Thanks so much for the news i am a Pennsylvania resident 🤞👍👌🔥
Good to see them back.
Ive got mine and so good to have U.S. made black powder.
Ethan, again I really dig your time and effort you put into thee muzzleloading community. Ghreaty information and feed back. I still have a little Goex FF, and FFF. I did by some of the other, did the job and kept me shooting.
I prefer Goex. Plus it's made in America,my biggest reason.
Thanks for all you do.
Please keep it going.
Take Care Stay Safe.
I'm like you. I'm not getting excited until I see that distributors can get it on a regular basis.
Great job Ethan, and thanks to Karl for the purchase and commitment to keeping American powder production alive. I sincerely hope, Goex prices will drop as production increases.
Keith A. Williams
15th Reg VA Vol Cav
Thanks for the update bud!!!
Thank you for the update!
Hurray!! Thanks Ethan for keeping track. I await local GOEX availability with worm on tongue..... baited breath.
Thanks for this, actual journalism!
Sadly, I got sick the day before I planned on leaving for the NMLRA meet this year...
And it is good to know that some actual journalism does exist today.
Even if it is in the video format...
Thanks for the update
Great info! Thanks!
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your adventures and information
Thats for the effort, very informative
Thank you 👍
Thanks for the update I look forward to doing some chronograph test myself thanks for all you do for Muzzleloading
Thank you ever kindly for your stellar efforts on this topic. Now, just for percussion caps.
Good to know!
Very interesting. Thanks for a very well informed .
Well done, Ethan! Thanks
Thanks for the information and update.
Great news
Thank you Ethan for this important information.
Good news for certain.
I'am so happy for this Great News..!
That I feel like having a second breakfest this fine morning.
A good sprinkle of Wonderful Goex into my cereal.
Off I go..!!
What an excellent update! Thank you for obtaining and providing this info; amazing work!
Glad it was helpful!
I grew up 10miles from the Goex factory. Glad to see an American made product on the comback and will gladly offer my support. Hope they bring OE back also. It rivaled Swiss in velocities and accuracy.
Ethan! Wow, great reporting, excellent questions and good answers. Just a stellar job! Just ordered a couple of mugs. (patreon or some way to support?)
Picked up a pound Goex 2F today, $45.
Our cannon especially ship guns. Use black powder as a starter to set off the smokeless powder charge.
Cool man cool
Thanks for the update Ethan, I was wondering have you ever tried the 300 grain Lightfield spitzer boat tail muzzleloader bullet?
Thank you for keeping us informed .
Do you know where we can purchase Goex in Wisconsin?
Ethan, Great videos, I What's your videos all the time just wondering have you ever tried to make your own? I have been making mine for over 4 years now. And it's just as fast or if not faster. Then go ex and shoot some egyou. Just got to compress it enough for quality homemade powder and less corrosive.
I'd have fun going down the evacuation slide at the plant. I'd be fired the first day for goofing off. Good video, Ethan.
I just subscribed to your channel. Now hopefully we can start to get #10 n 11 caps. I inherited my grand dads loaders and have not been able to enjoy them , i sure hope this all works out, and at some point the price will come down. Do you know what woods they use to produce the charcoal? With all the forest fires hopefully that will not be a problem. Thanks for sharing. Cant wait to get some i miss grampaw and would be Awsome to just get out in the woods in his honor with his M loaders. ❤❤
Is Remington going to make No. 10 percussion caps or are they already making them?
It might be useful to note that Estes Industries itself is a consumer for black powder. I don't know what percentage of production goes to Estes, what percentage would go to retail sales, and what percentage goes to military contracts. I assume that the connection with Estes will be an incentive to make the plant productive.
I suppose we'll see. Estes Industries has a long history of working with black powder for their model rocket motors, so they definitely have some clue as to what they're doing with it. I mean, I can't find a single article about their own production facilities exploding, and they've been running for nigh on sixty years. So I was somewhat relieved when I heard that Estes was involved.
Looks like they're still producing Old Eynsford and most of the same selections.
Go for goex
Hopefully I have enough Ole E that I won't have to resume buying Swiss in the Spring.
Hi Ethan, another good video. Hey could you do a video, on companies or people that are into exporting kit flintlocks to Australia. Be mind full that you have to send them to a gunshop here. But apart from that I would just need a form from the police. Would be interested in better quality guns but not out of touch with price. Very hard to get much here unless it from Italy or Spain.
Are we going to have to order off line or is it going to be back in the big box store like bass pro and cabela's
Like I have said before..do not depend on these powder companies. They are jacking their prices like crazy. Make your own powder and be self reliant. Add on a hazmat fee and you are getting screwed. Homemade powder can easily be made. Once you learn the process you can make some really good powder for cheap..and not have to rely on this way overpriced commercial stuff.
Break down your time spent sourcing materials and manufacturing your own black powder, multiply by how much your labor is worth, and what do you get? I don’t mind knowing how, but I’ve other things I like to do with my time.
Some of us have a job.
Modern artillery uses black powder. The civilian market is whats left over.
It is entirely possible to do yourself.
However, it’s probably best and safest if a lot of people do NOT attempt to do so themselves.
Yes, making one's own powder can be time consuming, but so is waiting 3 years for production to ramp up. I started making my own near 20 years ago & still work out new techniques and recipes. I enjoy it a ton, & enjoy shooting a ton. Add in doing your own flint knapping, & the shooting goes on long after the public powder supply runs out. & yes. I worked an average of 60-75 hours a week.
Glad to see goex back but is anyone going to keep a list of how much the government has like they want to do to us?🤔
Where’s the best place to buy ?
I am located in northern Alabama.
Glad GOEX is about to be back in the game.
What is the size cans are they producing ? Is it one pound cans or is only available in bulk cans?
1lb cans is all I’ve seen so far
I miss the days when you could buy Goex for $8 per pound.
Me too.
Do you think the increases in everything over the years are inflation or something else?
@@ILoveMuzzleloadingdefinitely something else. Also thank you for all you do to promote black powder and shooting as a whole. We need more people like you.
@ILoveMuzzleloading I know the cost of producing nitrogen fertilizers has gone way up. Apparently Russia produces most of the world's nitrogen fertilizers, so who knows? Is kno3 mined in Chile still? I assumed that it was synthesized from petrochemicals.
Kno3 for GOEX will be sourced in the US soon. Kinda wild where we are at now.
You are very kind, thank you
I wonder if GOEX is using a blend of charcoals or charcoal from a single type of tree like Alder, Willow or Maple?
I have a pound of Goex from 1979 in a metal can price tag says $9.59.... still good, tested just days ago...
Is the powder more expensive, or is the paper it’s bought with worth less?
I love the old cans, I have a small collection.
I built a kit 45 Philadelphia Derringer I got as a gift in 79, my first black powder gun, so I bought the supplies to go with it, shot it a few dozen times and has been in my gun safe since... have a 50 to hunt but always used pyrodex for that, two 36 caliber 51 colts reproductions got me looking for some 3f.... and there is was in the back... how much fun is that...
That’s awesome
Here’s a question (again): #11 caps??
If you aren’t seeing them in your area by now I’m afraid you’ll be waiting more. Not sure what’s going on at CCI, but I have a video coming with some issues on the new caps
Local shop in PA had them it was under $20 per hundred
Does anyone know where can I get some blackpowder in Mississippi????? Just moved into Mississippi from Arizona. Don't know where to go????
$24/pound??? You fellas don't know you're alive! Here in Australia, German made Wano is $160AU/kg! Goex is not available here.
People around here are selling it for $40 a pound. Doesn't matter what brand. Makes me want to buy from online dealers, just because they aren't price gouging me.
If the military consumes all the GOEX production capacity, we're at war. A big one. And don't really have to worry about much else.
Having said that, the military uses black powder extensively for initiators in artillery shells...and for ejection seats. Pull the yellow-and-black striped handle, and a BP charge gets the seat out of the airplane (a rocket then takes over), the parachute out of the seat, and opens the parachute. It's really quite a complex system.
And that is why the new GOEX is a close as possible to the old GOEX. 👍🏻
How old is the "Old" Goex?
According to their website, over 200 years.
They say that they started working on the first factory in 1802.
yea thank you and goex but i dont get much retirement money i onle made 310 hr i caint spend 24 bucks a bottle i will have to save up even if it where 14=15 a bottle then i also have to save up for pan power thats 48 and tax for shooting tarkets and deer hunting 14=15 a can would help me the wife and i live on 950 about a month we just caint take money from the house stuff to buy 24=24=48 pluse tax and gas to go get it people need lower price goex = i new the gov had there nose in it so up goes prices with tax dollars
Just get on with the interview if I did not want to listen I wouldn't be here!
It would be nice if they would improve the powder to equal the quality of Swiss.
That’s what Old Eysnford is
@@ILoveMuzzleloading not as good either
Interesting!
Soo, I'm guessing goex powder is the good stuff??I've only used pyrodex....
Goex is what you want.
Goex is real bp and pyrodex is a bp substitute that's generally considered a little safer than traditional bp.
However most people nowadays are in the same boat as you and only get pyrodex since that's all that most people can get without having to order online.
Make your own.
Pyrodex is not black powder. It's a substitute. Works good in a rifle, but real black powder is a whole different animal. I've used several substitutes but always go back to the real thing.
Hodgdon.?? Feds..ok.🇺🇸
How historically accurate is this powder?
That’d be a question for @papercartridges. He’s the expert on powder
What does the military of today use black powder for?
ya know i forgot to take my ladder to the food store ============== so i can reach those HIGH PRICES hee hee
The problem is they want 10thousands dollars to have 2 pine wood box's at the hardwarestore bring the cost back to 50 bucks America was built-up on black powder see the problem. Have a good day.
The way I say it is like diesel fuel. You got farmers using farm grade tax-free diesel fuel well. I think the government should not be allowed to purchase Civilian black powder That's we the people product.
That's exactly why I make my own.
no luck at all i coulnt win a ham sand at a pig party
im going to have to recycle food out of my farts just so i can afford to eat powder just out of my reach 48 pluss tax pluss gas to go get powder wow
being 24-lbs i hope its not the same trash powder as it was before
Goex is not trash. I guess you are a Swiss only snob?
@@jamesgarland4990 yea i like the power and cleanness of swiss, it makes a difference in 45 colt, in my opinion
Goex has always been a good powder
@@usualsuspect5173 its nothing like the sporting powders of the 19th century though
Goex is the worst blackpowder on the market @@jamesgarland4990
Not interested in GOEX at all. They closed without caring, just don't care to do business with them now. If they are now charging import prices, I'll buy the better import powder.
Ethan Great video and work Mr! 🇺🇸🗽🇺🇸 good luck too all in the woods 🦌 🐻
The Vermonter
Go to the log cabin shop in Lodi Ohio