Truthear x Crinacle Red: Hype Roller Coaster ($55)
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- vtuber audio reviewer talks about the new crinacle colab IEM, formerly known as project red. is it the new budget king?
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you're super right about people being disappointed because it's "too cheap" and won't compete with something QUADRUPLE its price, like sure hexa does that but that doesn't mean if other budget IEMs can't do the same thing they will automatically bad
The hexa doesn't complete with a blessing 2/3. Quadruple is overzealous.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 ok maybe I'm little exaggerated about hexa but yeah
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 I haven't heard the Hexa but the graphs it appears that it likely doesn't have quite as smooth upper treble as the Dusk.
Haven't heard the Zero/Red either but the graphs are displaying all the signs of single DD 12k ear rape (when translated to my ears/experience) so I would not risk the money to purchase them.
@@neandrewthal the treble response won't be accurate of the graph as it heavily depends on the fit depth and limitation of the coupler
the measurement on B&K 5128 (which has advantage of more accurate treble response measurement) shows that the treble is pretty smooth though
@@SlavJerry I understand that but I know how my ears behave and I know to translate the telltale signs of poor treble timbre on the graph into how my ears would experience it.
I have only experienced 2 IEMs in real life with acceptably smooth treble and both of them lack those telltale signs in almost every measurement so that is what I will continue to look for.
Nice review. It's very similar to my thoughts as well. I also started with the wide bore at first and then swapped to the narrow bore and kept with that for my review. But in my case, I didn't do any real AB testing and kept stuck with the narrow bore because it fit my ears a little bit better. Looks like it turned out to be the better choice hah.
Thanks! Yeah it's an interesting change. Resolve also found the same result on the Gras rig too
I felt very similar… OG Zero was so ouch that I didn’t dig it. Really turned down the hype… but Red was solid.
Yeah pretty much, I can't believe I also tried the wide opening tips first which were super disappointing. Probably shouldn't even be in the box since I can't understand why the FR they cause would be preferable
Yeah it really does make an audible difference. It could be a cause of so many different opinions of the IEM too
im glad you address the problem that come with IEMs most reviewer barely tell the flaws...
the tuning in Truthears Zero:Red kinda trying to pleased everybody and coming out as master of non. compares with similar tuning and cheaper IEM like Tanchjim Tanya DSP by the graph alone it almost like Truthear Zero:Red and way cheaper for budget buyers.
in budget market people going to pick the cheapest option, if there's a similar enough IEM that cheaper than Truthear Red people rather pick the cheaper one.
i don't think its a blind buy if you still get better deal if you spend a lil more to get a lil more, or pay less to get almost the same experience imo.
Personally having used both, I wouldn't use the Tanya DSP over the Red, or even something like the Tangzu Wan'er.
But also I think people see price as a ladder in quality.
For example, if a company releases a product in 3 price tiers with similar features, each one just slightly better than the last. People will often seek out the middle priced one since they can justify that the best to themselves. They will actively try to avoid the cheapest one because they are inclined to believe more expensive means better.
That's part of what I was trying to get at in the video. We have these IEMs in the budget space now that are all pretty good, but their price may also influence how good people feel they sound
@@sidesaladaudio true especially it sounds we talking about... sound are very objective the quality doesn't speak with it price but preference
When taking EQ in consideration is there anything better at
side salad, sort of off topic to the zero: red here, but have you considered using a target that is a non-linear slope of diffuse field? something like, although perhaps not exactly, objectively neutral ie, which is based off a gradual slope characteristic of how a good speaker measures steady state? This is supposedly a more accurate reproduction of audio as produced by an ideal speaker, and subjectively performs much better than a linear slope of diffuse field.
At any rate, I enjoy watching your videos, they're very easy going and have a lovely aesthetic. Very happy to have your take on things.
I'm always open to changes. The reason I'm currently using a DF slope is just because that's what many others are moving towards as a means of simple consistency, but I also do recognize that a linear slope isn't ideal. That's why when presenting a compensated graph at the moment, I am compensating everything to regular DF, and then overlaying the slope + bass shelf as a relative target over the response as it naturally slopes down .
I think some of the goals others have been discussing is to eventually move to compensating everything to DF as an analog for anechoicly flat +hrtf, and then when you display the response, it should look similar to a speaker like in room response. I think after that fact, if it becomes normal to compensate everything to DF, the down tilted target that is also overlayed can be a little more neuanced and refined. Right now, things are a bit in the air with how people are experimenting with presenting DF curved. Headphone Show is using a linear tilt from 20hz. Crinacle is using a linear tilt after 100hz + bass shelf, LTT and Oratory1990 are using the delta from Harman in room flat and Harman OE, and applying that to the DF curve.
I think by simply compensating everything to DF, and then overlaying whatever curve with the response, it may be a half way point at the moment until there's more of a standard going forward.
Also thanks for watching and your support. Also, thanks for being kind. I'm still learning as I go, and I appreciate any suggestions or ideas I could learn from!
@@sidesaladaudio I think you're heart is in the right place. That's why I want to point out a comparison between Harman 2019, Moondrop target and Oratory. They aren't more than +-1dB between 300-3000kHz. Tilted DF variants are the outliers around 3kHz.
@Platinum Music yeah. That is one area of discussion for sure within the development of these targets. For the OE DF tilt that I use with the bass shelf, it matches Harman OE almost perfectly up to 1.5khz, and then between 1.5khz and 3khz it does peak a bit higher. (On my in ear 1.3 target, it does actually match harman ie from 20hz to 3khz) That peak at 2khz is something that the LTT and Oratory DF target doesn't have since they used the delta from Harman in room rather than a straight tilt.
That's why I'm a little on the fence exactly on which way to go. But I also do believe that targets are focused on a bit too much anyway, and there's still a lot of room for growth in how we interpret data. I'm kind of just along for the ride. I think when it comes to 711 data, there is such a backlog of data with the Harman target that it may still be worth going back to that target, although I heavily disagree with the 4-6k area of the Harman IE target, and I think that is what causes a lot of strict Harman adhering IEMs to sound harsh.
@@sidesaladaudio That's a sensible perspective. It's hard to know what exactly makes preference targets diverge a from DF based targets. So far your modified DF is the least divergent, so kudos for your effort. Harman IE wasn't done with the right conditions IMO. Targets are a boring topic to discuss LOL, because Harman IE done right won't happen. If I could imagine something better, maybe an indie effort is more realistic. Something like an app that let's users vote on blindly on different EQs, efter selecting their IEM. After that the software can tally the votes, and triangulate with public measurements to crate a crowd sourced target.
@@roadtonever the problem I see with this kind of approach is that it is not up to the same rigorous scientific standard of the traditional Harman research (controlling for variables, stratification of listener preference and correlation to listener characteristics, accounting for difference between trained and untrained, and most importantly what target they start from), so it might be difficult to derive a meaningful target from that. Definitely worth gathering the data, though.
Further, it is disappointing that Harman research is now privatized, but what's worse is the oversight of Harman ie. The conditions could have been better (more listeners, etc.), But the nail in the coffin was smoothing between 3 and 8 khz; Harman was based off olive-welti, which accounts for a peak at 8khz, but which was smoothed to create Harman ie, meaning the extremely harsh mid treble of Harman ie is an artifact of their smoothing process.
Shoved CP100 v2 XL's on mine, and now im actually enjoying Reds. Just hope they don't rip on that girthy nozzle
You should give it a try with tanchjim T-APB the Treble tips one
Crin has alr announced in his vid that a blessing 3 dusk is on the works for those who are only interested in the >200 usd iem market, so people should stop being salty for crin making a sub100 iem, the guy admits he prefers having collabs at different price points so that they're less likely to overlap marketwise which is very practical
None of crins collabs have been good.
@@FatOnAxis I think it's a mixed bag, would argue the b2 dusk and salnotes zero have been very well received, while the dioko and original truthear zero was just ok back then and feels outdated now. The kz pr2 competes as a budget planar at half the dioko's price now and the zero red is basicly crin admitting the 1st zero needed an update
b2 dusk is mid and salnotes zero is shit
@@FatOnAxis Crin admitted he does not like the Harman target, and therefore, the original Zero. He still released it because that is what part of the market wanted, and the manufacturer wanted. Red is his own target, the one he really likes. One has to separate collabs for what they try to achieve, not Crin's name in itself.
@@matiaserpboth are bad
Can you measure Hola on Zero:Red narrow tips? It might shift its treble as well...
Hi, do you know if there's any 3rd party eartips that is softer but has the same treble response as the stock narrow bore one? Thanks
Could you recommend me a pair of iem for around 35 dollar? My 7hz salnote zero is getting old so what would you recommend?
My favorite cheap IEM is still the Tangzu Wan'er. But it all depends what you're looking for
@@sidesaladaudio i want to find something more expensive
Something that packs more of a punch since I'm new to iem
Narrow bore eartip increased the treble? Shouldn't it be the opposite? It a genuine doubt I have.
Generaly I'd agree, but the difference in this case shows up on both my rig, and also Andrew's Gras RA040X high res coupler that doesn't have the resonance peak. I also asked around to confirm and others experience the same phenomenon in listening tests. One thing is the narrow bore tip is slightly longer than the wide bore tip, so that may have a part.
@@sidesaladaudio Is your measurement of Hexa done with wide bore tips? To me Hexa is really tips-dependent about how it sounds. It's interesting that Hexa and Zero Red look quite similar on the graph with tottaly different driver setups. Would you say if people that wear Hexa without problems should feel the same way wearing Zero Red?
I don't find wide bore tips always brighter either, maybe due to different and/or shifting peaks/dips? I sometimes feel narrow bore tips may sound harsher in the treble. Perhaps the depth of personal fitment and how they seal are more deciding factors.
This is my impression too.
compared with blon z300, which is easier to listen to? or non fatiguing
Comfort and build wise, the z300 does have a big advantage, but I do prefer this for sound. If you do find the ear gain slightly too much for you, the impedance adapter does solve that as well in my opinion
What about wireless options???
Maybe in the future?
I am here because of Sharur's video
btw have you tried it with CP155?
have u tried the qkz hbb khan bro?
No, not yet
Golden Sound hyping too much
A cheaper Galileo?
I haven't heard Galileo myself
Hype killer. 😂
Its literally a hola thats twice the price.
It has a bass tuck that requires a dedicated bass driver to achieve. That is the whole point. If you don't want the tuck then......
Step 1: Buy Hola
Step 2: .......
Step 3: Profit
@@neandrewthal with the 10ohm resistor there is barely any tuck
@@FatOnAxis Then buying it and using the resistor is not a good financial decision lol.
I have no skin in the game because I am fully aboard the Quarks DSP train.
@@neandrewthal without the resistor it has shit bass crin is has terrible colabs
can it really make you throw up listening to this iem?
Lmao
It made me Kermit sewer slide.
@@neandrewthal why