Veganism is incomplete without anti-capitalism, actually.

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
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  • @seanold
    @seanold Před 3 lety +755

    "Listen, peasant, we can't speculate on how a democracy would work because it is untested. We need to stay a monarchy since we have plenty of evidence that it exists/semi-functions." Some king before democracy

    • @kylewilliams8114
      @kylewilliams8114 Před 3 lety +138

      "Every democracy failed! Look at Rome or Athens! Democracies can't work!" Some bootlicker during middle ages

    • @Kirbyoto2098
      @Kirbyoto2098 Před 3 lety +19

      ​@@kylewilliams8114 Considering that there was a time when the premier anti-monarchist revolution was Cromwell's England...

    • @gateauxq4604
      @gateauxq4604 Před 3 lety +7

      ‘Allegedly’

    • @genevievelavery4759
      @genevievelavery4759 Před 3 lety +2

      I imagine he would have had the peasants keeping each other in check.
      That's what this looks like to me.

    • @alejandrogangotena9033
      @alejandrogangotena9033 Před 3 lety

      @@kylewilliams8114 worked better than the middle ages as in A LOT better. Certainly worked for a lot longer than any big communist or communist attempting society has.

  • @robynkolozsvari
    @robynkolozsvari Před 3 lety +5457

    "I don't have an ideology but I'm fervently anti-anti-capitalism" may be the most neoliberal sentence I've ever heard

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 Před 3 lety +721

      "I'm apolitical; I just support the status quo!"

    • @JasonMcCarrell
      @JasonMcCarrell Před 3 lety +341

      What is with reactionairies adding an additional anti on to things. It reminds me of the shirt i saw that said "anti anti fa" like... ummm do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

    • @otto_jk
      @otto_jk Před 3 lety +172

      @@JasonMcCarrell a shirt with just fa would be as ridiculous

    • @lolerpro
      @lolerpro Před 3 lety +254

      “I don’t have an ideology, I just (proceeds to ascribe an ideology to self)”

    • @d.o.m.i.
      @d.o.m.i. Před 3 lety +126

      "i'm too lazy to make up my mind on politics but leftists nag me because they don't profit of of me being alienated like the status quo so i don't like them"

  • @Brawnald
    @Brawnald Před 3 lety +863

    “Anti-anti-capitalist” now reduce your fraction...

    • @segara04
      @segara04 Před 3 lety +65

      I hope you are proud of this one because I am proud of you for it.

    • @FrozEnbyWolf150
      @FrozEnbyWolf150 Před 3 lety +119

      But wait, that would mean the people who are anti-anti-fascist are actually... oh right.

    • @MCAndyT
      @MCAndyT Před 3 lety +10

      solid maths right here!

    • @waspoppin4784
      @waspoppin4784 Před 3 lety +10

      @@FrozEnbyWolf150 yah

    • @toericabaker
      @toericabaker Před 3 lety +10

      🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 5/5 comment

  • @ProjectThunderclaw
    @ProjectThunderclaw Před 3 lety +347

    "It's unreasonable to advocate for hypothetical alternatives when those alternatives [are untested]"
    This is my favorite 'dumb person trying to sound smart' argument. Like, sure, let me just set up a couple dozen control nations and run a double-blind trial on communism.

    • @rickwrites2612
      @rickwrites2612 Před 3 lety +35

      yes, and isnt that exactly what we did with capitalism? i mean, i get why it seemed like a promising hypothetical alternative after fuedalism, monarchy, and a Church schism that had half of Europe setting churches on fire and ripping their neighbors limbs off because of *how they prayed to the same God*🤨. Capitalism seems downright civilised in comparison...on paper at least.
      There's a reason we're referred to as "the American experiment".

    • @pepi7404
      @pepi7404 Před 2 lety +41

      According to the logic of her statement, we could never advocate for anything new, because literally all the new ideas and systems haven't been tested, since they're new. We would effectively never get out of the status quo. I'm sure that's totally accidental on her part.

    • @Ahmgcats
      @Ahmgcats Před 2 lety +24

      The "untested" argument, while not analogous, has an eerily similar energy to "what would happen to all the farm animals if the world went vegan?" It's really just saying "my lack of thoughts about the outcome of this situation is an argument against it."

    • @InsecureCreator
      @InsecureCreator Před rokem +7

      @@pepi7404 damn you're right I didn't think of that, every instance where you would try a new system (even in controlled conditions) can be dismissed by saying we shouldn't bother.

    • @beafraid5467
      @beafraid5467 Před 10 měsíci

      Funnily enough it was tested on a dozen of newly formed nations

  • @DammitBobby
    @DammitBobby Před 3 lety +1409

    This is THE most terminal case of capitalist Realism I've ever seen.

    • @Izzrules
      @Izzrules Před 3 lety +25

      EXACTLY

    • @batty_babette
      @batty_babette Před 3 lety +15

      Ooooooo that's a great way to put it!

    • @billhicks8
      @billhicks8 Před 3 lety +30

      Mark Fisher is spinning on his Burial vinyls

    • @DammitBobby
      @DammitBobby Před 3 lety +8

      @@billhicks8 off topic, but Untrue is unironically my favorite vinyl record I own.

    • @brendanmccabe8373
      @brendanmccabe8373 Před 3 lety +17

      I recently reread Capitalist Realism and about half an hour after I finished I watched her video and I was completely venerated in my cause to look over it

  • @Brawnald
    @Brawnald Před 3 lety +1940

    “Uh. It’s bad? Duh.” -an academically accepted argument against communism in the US

    • @Dr_Nuclear-sloth
      @Dr_Nuclear-sloth Před 3 lety +56

      I hear the sounds of a Trump flag flying in the wind

    • @guyunderwood2297
      @guyunderwood2297 Před 3 lety +131

      Hi. I represent the economic department of an Ivy League school. Would you be interested in a tenured position?

    • @Raw774
      @Raw774 Před 3 lety +56

      Jordoon Potterson has entered the chat

    • @ostsarahb7466
      @ostsarahb7466 Před 3 lety +34

      @@Dr_Nuclear-sloth Even Democrats make that kind of argument

    • @joshl6275
      @joshl6275 Před 3 lety +55

      Lol. I'm honestly not sure you're too far off the mark. Literally. People who begin the study of economics with the assumption that capitalism is the best and everything else they study is a post-mortem on failed socialist policies, then they're always bound to ignore data that their views might be wrong.

  • @leothi2
    @leothi2 Před 3 lety +1882

    I always thought "vote with your wallet" to be dumb, but "socialism is bad because you can't vote with your wallet" is one step beyond

    • @allisondoak9425
      @allisondoak9425 Před 3 lety +97

      It’s bad to vote with your vote.

    • @Sandreline
      @Sandreline Před 3 lety +44

      I've actually heard this argument from multiple sources. It's baffling.

    • @FrozEnbyWolf150
      @FrozEnbyWolf150 Před 3 lety +218

      "See, under the current system, people have to work three jobs to make ends meet. But under Socialism, you'd be down to just one job. Why do you want people to lose their other two jobs, huh?!"
      --U.V. Probably

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 3 lety +29

      The interesting thing is that it is not until communism that calls for the abolishment of money so socialists are free to vote with their wallets all they want.

    • @GogiRegion
      @GogiRegion Před 3 lety +83

      If voting with your wallet worked, Coca Cola and Nestle would have been out of business long ago. I always use those as examples of the concept of voting with your wallet to be dumb. Obviously me and my friends avoid paying money to them when we can (although with how much they own that’s impossible at times), but because of how big of a monopoly they have on things it’s never going to take them down.

  • @paacheecoo97
    @paacheecoo97 Před 3 lety +780

    My favorite argument anti-socialists make is "bad thing happened, welcome to life under socialism" when in fact it's life under capitalism

    • @FrancisR420
      @FrancisR420 Před 3 lety +75

      "Look at what's happening in (inserts capitalist country here) because of socialism!"

    • @saltysheev5502
      @saltysheev5502 Před 3 lety +45

      People talking about Venezuela have entered the chat

    • @julesmasseffectmusic
      @julesmasseffectmusic Před 2 lety

      @@FrancisR420 the nazi's (self identified as) were socialists. Charles Manson said he was a good family man. Donald Trump said he wouild run into an active shooter situation. I am the teh worlds greatest lover. all true statments correct?

    • @L0RDK3Y
      @L0RDK3Y Před 2 lety +18

      As a socialist I absolutely love it when they bring up Venezuela, like that one example represents socialism as an ideology and economic model

    • @kainuipenaloza9395
      @kainuipenaloza9395 Před rokem

      I mean I think people overestimate the similarities of socialism and communism, and then when it's not communism claim it's capitalism. Socialism is very close to capitalism gone wrong, it's literally just over liberalizing capitalism. Om the contrary, communism is similar to capitalism being eradicated. So yes, "pro-capitalism" policies can lead to socialism and destroy society, but that doesn't mean that capitalism is inherently bad.

  • @isabellelam9818
    @isabellelam9818 Před 3 lety +560

    god. my jaw hit the floor hearing her describe neo-liberalism as "left-leaning" and "pro-wellfare state" -- pardon???

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 3 lety +49

      I think she is confusing neo liberalism with social liberalism and even then has a decidedly right wing interpretation of it.

    • @greywolf7577
      @greywolf7577 Před 3 lety +9

      The problem is that there are a lot of Socialists who refer to Bill Clinton or even Obama as neo-liberal, so non-Socialists think that neo-liberal must mean progressive.

    • @dannyboy4682
      @dannyboy4682 Před 3 lety +20

      I mean if you look at American politics, the american 'left' establishment are quite neoliberal and conservative, so it's not too surprising to me when americans get confused

    • @larala21mil
      @larala21mil Před 3 lety +2

      Same, I'm from Chile and I was just FURIUS

    • @ernststravoblofeld
      @ernststravoblofeld Před 3 lety +7

      I recently had someone say Anarchism is right wing, referencing a right wing libertarian website. People have no concept of history. They just believe the last thing they heard.

  • @skyclaw
    @skyclaw Před 3 lety +529

    Finally, an argument stupider than, “All anticapitalism is inherently antisemitic.”

    • @IndieGinge
      @IndieGinge Před 3 lety +71

      Damn Idk, that's a tight fuckin race, I don't know who wins

    • @slowbro596
      @slowbro596 Před 3 lety +5

      lmaoo at long last, we have arrived

    • @thewingedporpoise
      @thewingedporpoise Před 3 lety +32

      I'm not sure but also, doesn't that kind of feed into antisemitic beliefs

    • @noheckinway7732
      @noheckinway7732 Před 3 lety +39

      Hi! I had no idea this was a thing thank you so much for ruining my day by bringing this to my attention! I will cherish this moment for many days

    • @una877
      @una877 Před 3 lety +28

      @@thewingedporpoise yeah it def does which is makes it even more ridiculous

  • @noviatoria2436
    @noviatoria2436 Před 3 lety +360

    "I'm not pro-capitalism, I'm just anti-anti-capitalism"
    How can anyone say that and think it makes any kind of sense?!

    • @hollandscottthomas
      @hollandscottthomas Před 3 lety +29

      It's the unnecessary extra backflip in the mental gymnastics that breaks your leg on the dismount.

    • @Kirbyoto2098
      @Kirbyoto2098 Před 3 lety +13

      People are acting like this is ridiculous but it's pretty easy to explain in theory: someone who doesn't like capitalism, but thinks the alternatives are worse, would be "anti-anti-capitalism" without being "pro-capitalism". In the same way that a lot of leftists aren't pro-Biden, but they are anti-Trump. Even though in a binary system that amounts to the same thing, the distinction is important to a lot of people.
      Whether or not she's sincerely "not pro-capitalist" is debatable, of course, but it's not an impossible statement.

    • @omarqasirov8754
      @omarqasirov8754 Před 3 lety +33

      "not pro fa. Just anti-antifa"

    • @Eon2641
      @Eon2641 Před 3 lety +22

      @@Kirbyoto2098 That would make sense if she didn't just finish a video arguing in favour of capitalism without a shred of real criticism. While a neutral position could theoretically exist (even though it would be extremely unlikely in reality), in practice her "neutral" is just being a capitalist while being unaware she's a capitalist.

    • @Kirbyoto2098
      @Kirbyoto2098 Před 3 lety +4

      @@Eon2641 Yeah I'm not defending her, just the statement. "I don't like x, I just hate the alternatives" is a valid logical statement.

  • @TheMattastic
    @TheMattastic Před 3 lety +308

    "I don't have an ideology. Anyway, here is my entire system of ideals that informs my political identity."

  • @Khandrake
    @Khandrake Před 3 lety +456

    When your brain is so fried by capitalism that you can't think outside of capitalism

    • @xCorvus7x
      @xCorvus7x Před 3 lety +25

      Come on, it is difficult to think outside the box, especially outside of a box wherein you have grown up and lived all your life and that has all kinds of locks and tricks to prevent you from leaving it.
      Though, I understand that one may marvel at her insistence that all alternatives to the status quo have to be theoretically developed in full and tested scientifically before put into praxis (as if that had been done with Capitalism).
      This is the safest way to never change any thing, especially since reality is not a lab: you can't control the conditions of your experiment. Ideas have to be put into praxis to gather such evidence, to test them.

    • @The_gaming_archaeologist
      @The_gaming_archaeologist Před 3 lety +2

      My brain isn't that fried yet, but I do want to learn more about other options besides Capitalism.

    • @tatiana4050
      @tatiana4050 Před 3 lety

      @@The_gaming_archaeologist i just wonder what texture would fried brain have.

    • @DecepsisOvermark
      @DecepsisOvermark Před 3 lety

      @@tatiana4050 if it was deep fried, then crunchy.

    • @tatiana4050
      @tatiana4050 Před 3 lety

      @@DecepsisOvermark cause it has high water and fat content so i was thinking more in detail,
      Like sure it will be crispy if fried im breadcrumbs.
      But how would it behave on its own, would it act like mushroom, or more like meat

  • @GrimReader
    @GrimReader Před 3 lety +2415

    "Neo-liberalism is left-leaning" I vomited all over my red and black flag

    • @okonx003
      @okonx003 Před 3 lety +23

      Cool, then she should define herself as a social Democrat

    • @GrimReader
      @GrimReader Před 3 lety +31

      Holy shit that's a lot of likes

    • @d.o.m.i.
      @d.o.m.i. Před 3 lety +48

      what in the 4chan ancap foruns nonsense is this

    • @ericbuhne3488
      @ericbuhne3488 Před 3 lety +79

      It was nice to learn that I apparently learned nothing from my political science degree. Supposedly everything I was taught, literally everything, was wrong. Thanks unnatural vegan for showing me the truth 😊

    • @russaz09
      @russaz09 Před 3 lety +5

      I'm new here. What flag?

  • @diegosanchez894
    @diegosanchez894 Před 3 lety +1147

    When someone says "I don't have an ideology" they are terminally neoliberal.

    • @Liz-xq2wi
      @Liz-xq2wi Před 3 lety +123

      It sort of reminds me of white people saying they don’t see race.

    • @diegosanchez894
      @diegosanchez894 Před 3 lety +125

      @@Liz-xq2wi Or when people claim a news source is "unbiased", or that they look at the evidence "objectively" or that are always praising "common sense". It always reeks of unexamined assumptions.

    • @redacted5078
      @redacted5078 Před 3 lety +45

      When people say they dont care about politics they're inmediately neo liberal. No questions

    • @DanielBurtonDidYourWife
      @DanielBurtonDidYourWife Před 3 lety +8

      the late Michael Brooks has a 9 minute segment on his show about this exact topic.

    • @darklordphatty555
      @darklordphatty555 Před 3 lety +2

      Shit this is so accurate 🤣😆

  • @JohnnyAppleseed-mq9lb
    @JohnnyAppleseed-mq9lb Před 3 lety +344

    She graduated from the Sargon of Akkad school of reading studies.

  • @PhilosophyTube
    @PhilosophyTube Před 3 lety +6534

    I love the idea of protesting wolves hahaha, just going out into the woods with a sign and yelling at them

    • @eliasbischoff176
      @eliasbischoff176 Před 3 lety +428

      You can't just yell at wolves, the natural masters of yelling.

    • @Chris_Tinacan
      @Chris_Tinacan Před 3 lety +146

      I can barely recognise you without HP sauce all over your face.

    • @toericabaker
      @toericabaker Před 3 lety +54

      how dare yooOOOUUUUUUUUU🌙

    • @Spamhard
      @Spamhard Před 3 lety +92

      Howl at them and they'll howl back. Could turn into a very noisy protest.

    • @sofia.eris.bauhaus
      @sofia.eris.bauhaus Před 3 lety +67

      abolishing wildlife violence is a rather complicated endeavour. it's probably harder than curing cancer. for now veganism is the most easiest and most effective path to reducing the suffering of non-human animals.

  • @Radhaun
    @Radhaun Před 3 lety +1465

    "Humans and chickens are different"
    Somewhere in history: *Diogenes waving a plucked chicken around*

    • @kidkurmudgeon-0_o
      @kidkurmudgeon-0_o Před 3 lety +17

      Harvey Birdman objects

    • @Ksrwilhelm
      @Ksrwilhelm Před 3 lety +62

      Diogenes is humanity's greatest genious.

    • @leftistthought2572
      @leftistthought2572 Před 3 lety +72

      @@Ksrwilhelm he was at least history's first Punk.

    • @inigo137
      @inigo137 Před 3 lety +11

      The mere fact that he could handle the cadaver of a featherless chicken and no a human shows they are different.

    • @Monkeyshaman
      @Monkeyshaman Před 3 lety +10

      @@leftistthought2572 Greek philosopher is as punk a job as delaware accountant.

  • @carlcarlington7317
    @carlcarlington7317 Před 3 lety +902

    "Uh yeah we shouldn't get rid of child labor because if we did then how could we boycott child labor?"

    • @toericabaker
      @toericabaker Před 3 lety +54

      lmaoooo she's so self centric. " But what's in it for ME?"

    • @rogue8533
      @rogue8533 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah, lol

    • @Hilfiata
      @Hilfiata Před 3 lety +1

      What's the current alternative to child labor in countries with economies and people who rely on child labor for survival?

    • @carlcarlington7317
      @carlcarlington7317 Před 3 lety +51

      @@Hilfiata paying working people in any country a loving wage so children don't have to work. If your worried that this'll increase the cost of living in the first world instead of costing the capitalist their profits, that just seems like a point against capitalism.

    • @Hilfiata
      @Hilfiata Před 3 lety +1

      @@carlcarlington7317 That would be absolutely amazing. Now, how do you go about actually making that happen?

  • @jammartusia
    @jammartusia Před 3 lety +204

    I come from Poland and was born just after country escaped from the soviet union. I acknowledge the awful parts of communism in the past, but I really appreciated the socialism parts which were still in place when I was a child. I used to live in a small town but I had a dentist and a nurse in every school, free sport/art/dance/whatever classes funded by my town council. Every few years I was measured, weighted and vaccinated at school, for free. We've had a cinema and an artificial lake to swim in summer and skating in winter. All stages of my education were free of charge, so were almost all my medical needs. Nothing is perfect, but I can see how my childhood was different from childhood of my British or American friends and still I think I've had more possibilities to get education and healthcare without engaging my parent's money into it.

    • @caesaroctavianus3054
      @caesaroctavianus3054 Před rokem

      Your country didn’t escape from the Soviet Union and wasn’t oppressed, your country was taken over by what were essentially CIA agents. Stop the propaganda

  • @Anarchovamp
    @Anarchovamp Před 3 lety +788

    I remember when marx famously said “I like borger king a lot”

    • @kadboodle
      @kadboodle Před 3 lety +56

      Favorite part of kapital tbh

    • @O1OO1O1
      @O1OO1O1 Před 3 lety +46

      Defeat capitalism, he would, if he didn't succumb to his only vice, the King.

    • @KArchine
      @KArchine Před 3 lety +54

      "Hmm. 'Borger King'."

    • @jeffreyherrera5069
      @jeffreyherrera5069 Před 3 lety +18

      Was this before or after Carl Jr. opened his own borger restaurant, in defiance of the King?

    • @CaptIronfoundersson
      @CaptIronfoundersson Před 3 lety +10

      That's ridiculous. Marx preferred Wendy's.

  • @jaylenecanales9703
    @jaylenecanales9703 Před 3 lety +209

    26:26 considering she made a whole video about why she shouldn't have to care about BLM bc BLM activists don't care about veganism (erasing the existence of black vegans ig), I'd say you can't expect her to care about the material conditions of bipoc under capitalism

    • @FloydBunsen
      @FloydBunsen Před 3 lety +25

      Yeah. Her point is that animal lives matter, bur then just disregards human lives.

    • @lunali7209
      @lunali7209 Před 3 lety +22

      vegans like her equating black ppl to animals is so racist and why poc dislike white vegans

    • @danielludwig647
      @danielludwig647 Před 3 lety +12

      That’s just next-level anti-intersectionalism. Absolutely bull-headed.

    • @Xondar11223344
      @Xondar11223344 Před 3 lety +19

      @@danielludwig647 I'd say it's straight-up racism.

    • @dontnoable
      @dontnoable Před 3 lety +13

      Comes as no surprise she'd be erasing Black vegans even though I've seen her demanding evidence of white supremacy in the vegan community from Black women vegans. Unnatural Vegan deserves nobody's time.

  • @senoraraton
    @senoraraton Před 3 lety +740

    "Jesus christ you can't even be a dishonest anti-communist right". ROFLMAO

  • @ohohnoy
    @ohohnoy Před 3 lety +534

    Urgh, I used to watch her. She actually was the one to get me to commit to veganism so I had a soft spot for her. I finally had to unsubscribe after her BLM video wich had some crazy bad takes. Sad to see that she's gone even more of the rails.

    • @beveledeggs7494
      @beveledeggs7494 Před 3 lety +17

      Same here

    • @katieosborne5203
      @katieosborne5203 Před 3 lety +31

      She’s had several bad takes in the last year.

    • @ATurtleAteMyTrex
      @ATurtleAteMyTrex Před 3 lety +6

      same :(

    • @oliviacole7427
      @oliviacole7427 Před 3 lety +5

      same she got me to become vegaterian sad to see her go down hill

    • @johnradclyffehall
      @johnradclyffehall Před 3 lety +67

      I really appreciate her work doing take downs of dangerous fad diets. But every time she steps outside of speaking about nutrition and food and tries to comment on politics it’s just SO bad. Poorly researched, poorly argued. Gaping logical holes. It makes me question how true any of the other stuff she’s said about nutritional science is tbh.

  • @SanguineRoku
    @SanguineRoku Před 3 lety +606

    Thought Slime out here once again reminding people that words mean things.

    • @thedorkettereads6052
      @thedorkettereads6052 Před 3 lety +19

      Thought Slime: Can you all please top forgetting that words have meanings?

    • @davidpeppers551
      @davidpeppers551 Před 3 lety +11

      And when you make up your own very special meanings for things no one will know what you are talking about.

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig Před 3 lety

      They really don't, though.
      Like, they kinda do, because we as a society agree on that, but without that social construct, proper definitions and context, words are literally meaningless.
      In fact, without context and proper definitions, literally everything is meaningless. That's why lots of people define their terms so rigorously, so it's very, extremely clear what they're talking about, and that's why these people sometimes sound like they "make up different meanings".

    • @SanguineRoku
      @SanguineRoku Před 3 lety +24

      @@Tacklepig Yes thanks for reminding me that without people to make the words and define them, the words wouldn't have definitions.

    • @TheBlarggle
      @TheBlarggle Před 3 lety +11

      @@Tacklepig Man, I bet you thought you busted out this sick intellectual paradox.

  • @DavisPeck
    @DavisPeck Před 3 lety +2029

    Ah yes, the classic "socialism is bad because [describes capitalism]"

    • @stupidass69420
      @stupidass69420 Před 3 lety +131

      SOCIALISM IS BAD BECAUSE I CANT EXPLOIT CHILDREN 😭😭😭😭😭😭

    • @dylanwight5764
      @dylanwight5764 Před 3 lety +85

      @@stupidass69420 Pfft, not with THAT attitude

    • @SparklesNJazz
      @SparklesNJazz Před 3 lety +10

      well actually, no, socialism is bad because [describes socialism].
      *see Russia, Cuba, China, and North Korea for reference, to name a few.

    • @DavisPeck
      @DavisPeck Před 3 lety +122

      @@SparklesNJazz okay liberal

    • @erickpm7596
      @erickpm7596 Před 3 lety +93

      @@SparklesNJazz
      *sees cuba's 238 deaths by covid
      *sees usa's 456,000 + deaths by covid

  • @KristenNicoleYT
    @KristenNicoleYT Před 3 lety +1373

    Her reasoning seriously boils down to “if we didn’t have capitalism, then I couldn’t make as much money promoting veganism”

    • @DavidLindes
      @DavidLindes Před 3 lety +62

      Ah-hah! Now the truth comes out... Thanks for spotting this!

    • @Shimansaji
      @Shimansaji Před 3 lety +28

      She’s VeganTM (C) (R) as PC would say.

    • @tatiana4050
      @tatiana4050 Před 3 lety +24

      I think its more than that. I saw her video on "controvercial vegan views". And only reason why she is ok with dogs and cats not going vegan is cause "vegan animal food is made by small companies and they are less trust worthy".
      Like she would do it herself if she found big brand but she couldn't so she bought cat food from another big brand.

    • @KristenNicoleYT
      @KristenNicoleYT Před 3 lety +4

      @@tatiana4050 Can you expand a little bit on what you mean? I’m not sure I follow your logic, so I don’t really know how to reply, but I’m interested in understanding your point of view!

    • @tatiana4050
      @tatiana4050 Před 3 lety +18

      @@KristenNicoleYT i think she her support for capitalism is based on some fundamental faulty beliefs. Rather than just caring about money she gets.
      Like that was example of simping for capitalism not related to her income. For some reason she believes bigger means better, maybe something like "bigger means it has been successful, so it can't be bad, and definitely comes under larger scrutiny so definitely passes through rigorous inspections, and small company can just do anything, and there must be a reason why it hasn't been successful enough to become big".
      Which clearly ignores that smaller company has more control over their product. As well as being very strict and controlling about the standards will result in smaller companies.
      And regarding the indirect quote, she made a video about her controversial views.
      She said pet cats and dogs should ideally be vegan, and that there exists vegan food for cats but she doesnt trust it cause the brands that make it are very small, so her cat wasn't vegan.
      I used to like her, but this plus the BLM video and her protecting vegan teacher, and comparing prejudice against vegans to homophobia. She turns out to be a completely different person.

  • @maxwhitehead1759
    @maxwhitehead1759 Před 3 lety +251

    her, a clear and obvious genius: "harm is only harm when it hurts people"
    me, blood streaming freely from every orifice: "god of course it was all so simple"

    • @Secretname951
      @Secretname951 Před rokem +4

      Harm is when your feelings and beliefs hurt :’(

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 Před rokem +3

      ​@@Secretname951 Harm is when parm but with an h because it's a substitute (vegans don't eat parm)

    • @colinouille2786
      @colinouille2786 Před rokem

      wouldn't that mean harming animals doesn't harm animals?

  • @irinka8319
    @irinka8319 Před 3 lety +578

    i’m literally losing my mind at the fact she thinks neoliberalism is “pro-welfare state” LMAOOOO

    • @Xondar11223344
      @Xondar11223344 Před 3 lety +63

      Ronald "Welfare Queen" Reagan and Margaret "I hate the poors" Thatcher both LOVED the welfare state, don't you know?

    • @mynamejeff3545
      @mynamejeff3545 Před 3 lety +18

      I took psychic damage at that line holy shit

    • @alexscriabin
      @alexscriabin Před 3 lety +30

      tbf neoliberalism is "welfare" for corporations and corporate executives lol

    • @esztersimon2210
      @esztersimon2210 Před 3 lety +10

      this is like the third video she made that arguement and thousand of people have been correcting her in the comments, but she still thinks she is the one getting it right

    • @irinka8319
      @irinka8319 Před 3 lety +9

      @@esztersimon2210 yeah its insane watching her double down on this when people have proved her wrong and educated her multiple times. i used to be a fan (didn't know about her eugenics take) but this is just way too insane. i guess she decided to go full mask off in 2021

  • @The5lacker
    @The5lacker Před 3 lety +400

    "All my homies hate GDP"
    Can confirm, I'm a parasocial homie and I too hate GDP.

    • @MCAndyT
      @MCAndyT Před 3 lety +6

      same

    • @orion0915
      @orion0915 Před 3 lety +2

      Can we get "Fuck GDP, All my homies hate GDP" on a shirt

  • @AcolytesOfHorror
    @AcolytesOfHorror Před 3 lety +345

    "Yes, molten lava is cascading towards us, but what's the alternative? The evidence suggests that we have never taken a helicopter, which means a helicopter will never work! I'm not like, pro-lava, but I'm definitely anti-anti-lava"

    • @sugaredoleander409
      @sugaredoleander409 Před 3 lety +44

      there's definite past evidence of helicopter crashes ergo it would be pointless to ever attempt helicopter travel again. sure, a lot of those choppers were shot down but who's to say it's not an innate flaw with the helicopters themselves? lava is the only system that's been proven to work long-term.

    • @extremekiwi101
      @extremekiwi101 Před 3 lety +5

      @@sugaredoleander409 fuck, this is such a perfect comment

    • @no_peace
      @no_peace Před 3 lety +1

      Is anyone buying that shit? She's the worst

  • @raziraphale
    @raziraphale Před rokem +41

    Her saying something can be unjust without being harmful has genuinely haunted my brain for the last 2 years. Sometimes I'll have a quiet moment to myself and my brain's idle mode is just trying to think of a possible example of an unjust action that doesn't cause harm. I still don't have an answer. Free Me

    • @an8strengthkobold360
      @an8strengthkobold360 Před rokem

      I guess it's like, whites lies?
      Idk

    • @sairassiili
      @sairassiili Před 8 měsíci +5

      Its like a zen riddle.

    • @tangentfox4677
      @tangentfox4677 Před 8 měsíci +6

      I have a possible explanation for the idea from my life experiences. Multiple times I have been the victim of a crime, harm was done to me, and the person who committed the crime got no punishment or very little. Some would call this injustice, but the lack of punishment is not causing harm. The harm was already done.
      Another way to look at it, some of these crimes caused me so little harm that it doesn't really matter. There is injustice, but as far as I care, no real harm.
      (It's a fucking stupid way to approach these things, but at least I can imagine scenarios where it makes sense.)

    • @SnoFitzroy
      @SnoFitzroy Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@tangentfox4677 That's a really interesting take! My knee-jerk reaction is "please don't validate her ideals she's terrible" but no this is actually a really interesting way to think about it. That said, I'd still counter that even if said harm was extremely minimal, it is still indeed harm, and she implied zero harm from injustice was possible, you merely encountered a really tiny amount of harm from injustice, which is not zero harm, which my autism brain wants to plea "she's TECHNICALLY incorrect anyway" on lmao

    • @danlovegrove6972
      @danlovegrove6972 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @raziraphale She made a response to this video (which I would not recommend watching because you will not be able to withstand the extreme cringe - I am serious; I believe you would cringe hard enough to cause yourself actual harm, I know I did) and near the start she explains what she meant by harmless injustice and like... it makes some kind of sense, but I'm unsure how useful it is as a concept in general and of course in the specific it doesn't actually help her overall point even a little bit.

  • @TheCommunistColin
    @TheCommunistColin Před 3 lety +144

    POV: your boss telling you why unionizing is bad after she's announced her intent to fire you tomorrow

  • @GoldryBluszco
    @GoldryBluszco Před 3 lety +136

    Capitalism: I want maximum pig flesh for maximum profit
    Anarcho-Communism: The pig is our friend, lets share him for maximum pets

    • @stupidass69420
      @stupidass69420 Před 3 lety +10

      **UNLIMITED RADISHES AND HEADPATS FOR THE PIGS*

  • @blushingsigh
    @blushingsigh Před 3 lety +118

    Let us remember two things -
    - Unnatural Vegan used to be a huge Ayn Rand fan. I sometimes wonder if she truly stopped being one.
    - That lady last year was involved in some uh kerfuffle - when she said that vegans don't need to speak up on Black Lives Matter. Damn that video was very problematic.
    - And I think she did a troubling video that came across as ableist ...

    • @k4rapace874
      @k4rapace874 Před 3 lety +15

      yeah, i unsubscribed because of her blm response (i didn’t know any of the other stuff, but i’m glad i do now)

    • @olive4228
      @olive4228 Před 3 lety +13

      Yeah same. And it pains me a lot because I liked her. She helped me a lot in balancing out my diet more, not neglecting proteins, thinking about my daily food needs and stuff. But man, her views on ... sooo many other topics are just gross and uninformed as hell

    • @werelemur1138
      @werelemur1138 Před 3 lety +2

      @@k4rapace874 Same. She could have just not said anything but she had to go and put some effort into showing her ass.

    • @franciszekdo
      @franciszekdo Před 3 lety

      yeah i remember her video debunking objectivism, disappointing turn of events

    • @37macherie00
      @37macherie00 Před 3 lety +5

      thank you for this comment. Especially the Ayn Rand thing. I wish I would've downloaded her BLM videos so I could remember what she said. She was talking about if single-issue activist organizations need to say that they support BLM - arguing that they don't. As if the subject of "do single issue activist organizations have to talk about other issues" is a black and white one, not one with a vast spectrum of greys. also like, she was operating under this belief that they have to forever talk about the intersection of BLM and their organization's focus ----- when... who was saying that? Oh right, literally no one.
      she was literally like, I support BLM, look at my twitter.
      in her follow up video, the amount of care and respect she has for the movement showed in the last 5-10(?) minutes when she suddenly talked about Animal Crossing, and that was the end of the video. ((in her regular videos, she'd end the subject, thank her patrons, and the last 5-10 min would be a nice wind-down chit chat, sometimes about Animal Crossing - when I was a subscriber, I loved that format)) like literally interrupted herself and started talking about AC. and then the video was done. I was in shock.

  • @zeeenno
    @zeeenno Před 3 lety +309

    Her take is like reading Animal Farm and thinking “well, I guess we have to continue to be exploited by the farmers because the anti-farmers might be hypocritical” ...which seems to be how capitalists interpret the text eventhough Orwell explicitly stated that everything he wrote was in favor of democratic socialism.

    • @yorkshiremgtow1773
      @yorkshiremgtow1773 Před 3 lety +2

      But is Capitalism actually exploitative of peoples' labor?

    • @mynamejeff3545
      @mynamejeff3545 Před 3 lety +36

      @@yorkshiremgtow1773 According to socialists, yes. The value created by a worker isn't paid out in full, instead they get a fraction of that value paid out in the form of wages, while the so-called surplus value is pocketed by the employer in the form of profit. No matter how high their wage is, a worker is never paid the full value of their labor, unless they are their own boss (which is quite rare).
      Of course, if you aren't a socialist you'll probably disagree, but in that case it's quite useless to even ask whenether capitalism is exploitative of labor, because you already made up your mind.

    • @yorkshiremgtow1773
      @yorkshiremgtow1773 Před 3 lety

      @@mynamejeff3545 But this isn't true, because it doesn't take into account the additional input from the employer. Let's suppose a busker earns $10 per hour by themselves. A bar-owner speculates that hiring him for the evening will increase revenue, so the busker agrees to work there for $15 per hour for three hours. The extra revenue made is $100.. Has the busker been exploited?

    • @mynamejeff3545
      @mynamejeff3545 Před 3 lety +38

      @@yorkshiremgtow1773 Like I said, it's useless to even ask this question if you already made up your mind. It's like a monarchist asking an anarchist whenether the divine right of kings is "unjust authority", knowing full well what the answer will be. Some people really like arguing I guess.
      Look, doesn't matter how well-paid a worker is, in whatever *completely hypothetical* scenario you can come up with, the worker is still not paid the full value of their labor, which is exploitative. The bar's owner still pockets most of the money the barkeep made that night. Socialists argue for collective ownership, where profits and expenses are shared by workers. You can't just make up a story and expect people to agree with you lmao.

    • @yorkshiremgtow1773
      @yorkshiremgtow1773 Před 3 lety

      @@mynamejeff3545 Yes, I've had to create a hypothetical scenario here, so that both of us have all of the relevant information to hand. Imagine if I said 'did DeLorean exploit their workers in the short period of operation before they went insolvent' - it would be very difficult to answer this, because we don't have all the facts to hand. Hence, why I've presented a hypothetical here. If the busker has been exploited of his labour working at the bar, by how much has he been exploited?

  • @kevinlittrell3407
    @kevinlittrell3407 Před 3 lety +516

    The last time I heard this person, she said she wasn’t an intersectional feminist because she doesn’t want an “oppression Olympics”. Such logic

    • @rot6254
      @rot6254 Před 3 lety +12

      oh god

    • @consentclub8431
      @consentclub8431 Před 3 lety +52

      sounds about white

    • @lucyla9947
      @lucyla9947 Před 3 lety +27

      Wow, literally all Intersectionality is is saying look at all these oppressed groups, maybe all of their oppression stems from the same issue? An Issue we can then deal with. Literally it's promoting the coming together of the oppressed to stand together as one, not an argument as to who is more oppressed. Look at the fight for Asian equality it was much easier once all Asian-Americans unified together AS ONE. Why shouldn't it be the same for unifying all oppressed groups into one?

    • @doctorwholover1012
      @doctorwholover1012 Před 2 lety +17

      @@lucyla9947 right ? Intersectional feminism is literally there to AVOID minorities having to play oppression Olympics, by validating and acknowledging how different aspects of oppression can impact people with different ratios; like a gay black man experiences oppression differently to a straight trans disabled white person, but they both get fucked over by the same systems. That's the entire point of the intersectional aspect....... incredible

  • @MrMelkor98
    @MrMelkor98 Před 3 lety +303

    She's like this one kid in class that gets good grades because they constantly put up their hand to make a meandering point vaguely gesturing into the direction of an argument, without ever making one. She's basically doing an impression of a well-informed person.

    • @Disentropic1
      @Disentropic1 Před 3 lety +48

      Yes! This aesthetic drives me nuts too because it's _obscenely_ effective. Normies seem to read these behavioral cues as demonstrative that the person is booksmart and a sharp thinker. She doesn't make a single cogent argument in the video, and shamelessly spews "conventional wisdom" uncritically, all while signalling that she's being 'scientific.'
      For one, I want to know what motivates people to act this way. Given how many conservatives establish their political orientation around anger at liberal coastal elites, encouraging them by playing the role to a T is horrifying to watch. Ostensibly, she should want to put an end to this antagonism, and yet something tells me it's either _more important_ to her that she maintain this clever 'identity,' or worse, that on some level she even benefits from the dynamic. I'm really worried that superficial crap like this is really what defines politics on a cultural level, and that cultural conflict has become the dominant political force in our society.
      What's the most effective way to deal with people acting like this?

    • @sjs9698
      @sjs9698 Před 3 lety +5

      @@Disentropic1 'What's the most effective way to deal with people acting like this?'
      a: laugh at them & proceed to ignore anything else they try to say.
      b: as demonstrated in the video above, dismantle their pseudo-arguments methodically.
      c: something considerably less ethical than either of the above options. (effectiveness is ofc somewhat subjective)

    • @Ahmgcats
      @Ahmgcats Před 3 lety +8

      I think what's moreover frustrating to me is that she is *generally* well informed, so it's clear that she knows how to do reasonable research which makes it sooooo blatantly obvious when she's limiting her capacity for research to support the narrative she currently agrees with.

  • @dylanmcmahon4902
    @dylanmcmahon4902 Před 3 lety +262

    As an anti-capitalist vegan I'm hype

    • @nixpix814
      @nixpix814 Před 3 lety

      Because animals were treated so nicely in all communist regimes. Wait.

    • @dylanmcmahon4902
      @dylanmcmahon4902 Před 3 lety +20

      @@nixpix814 what?

    • @nixpix814
      @nixpix814 Před 3 lety

      ​@@dylanmcmahon4902 Let's go slow.
      You hate capitalism and want it destroyed and dismantled at any cost because animals are harmed in this system.
      There are regimes with that exact motivation who has done what you wanted.
      The results was 100 million people dead and no one gave a shit about the animals either.
      So maybe it's time to reconsider ones priorities? Maybe voluntary trade and property rights isn't such a bad idea after all?

    • @yee7218
      @yee7218 Před 3 lety +20

      @@nixpix814 I don’t think they wanted an argument under their comment, but comparing deaths under “communist” countries to animal rights is absurd. Also, where did you get this 100 million number, because if it’s from the black book of communism that is known to be inflated. Also, comparing 100 million deaths under a state that claims to be communist to the BILLIONS harmed by hunger under capitalism is silly. I also personally believe an idealistic communist state would result in less excessive meat waste. Isn’t that what vegans want? Less unnecessary animal death due to companies wanting profit? No more farms where they underfeed animals just so they can make a lot of money? I don’t understand any of the arguments people are making lol.

    • @dylanmcmahon4902
      @dylanmcmahon4902 Před 3 lety +25

      @@nixpix814 my guy I said 7 words how the fuck did you build this strawman

  • @beth4928
    @beth4928 Před 3 lety +69

    "I don't have an ideology" I dunno ma'am, eugenics is quite the ideology, and getting defensive when called out on it is....hm! Bad!

  • @PeterEhik
    @PeterEhik Před 3 lety +271

    "See I hate politics in my movies but I love watching action movies where American soldiers waltz into a foreign country and kill bad guys....ooooh yeeeeah". That's what that lady sounds like

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety +8

      I'm guessing that you're talking about the right-wing crowd who'll love to say that.

    • @benedictdwyer2608
      @benedictdwyer2608 Před 3 lety +13

      @@americanliberal09 yeah, the type mad at non-binary people in COD

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety

      @@benedictdwyer2608 Yeah! Agreed.

    • @FrancisR420
      @FrancisR420 Před 3 lety +8

      @@americanliberal09 right-wingers and right-wingers who call themselves Centrist

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety +2

      @@FrancisR420 Agreed. That happens a lot with these so-called centrists.

  • @saranicole5898
    @saranicole5898 Před 3 lety +81

    I remember unnatural vegan! She said women shouldn’t be allowed to get their tubes tied because its possible that 0.000001% of them will eventually regret that decision

    • @elenapopovic2527
      @elenapopovic2527 Před 3 lety +8

      Lollll, pls god just end humanity already. Were done here

    • @kylewilliams8114
      @kylewilliams8114 Před 3 lety +12

      I regret being born, can I prevent parents from ever having children because they might not want to exist after they exist?

    • @valawee
      @valawee Před 3 lety +4

      WTFF I can't believe some people still think like that.... also if people regret that, adopting is always an option...

    • @oathboundsecrets
      @oathboundsecrets Před 3 lety +2

      Omg seriously? What?

  • @noctembra
    @noctembra Před 3 lety +1768

    "I'm not fascist, I'm just against antifa"
    Also I really think more vegans need to realize that a MAJOR chunk of animal suffering is because of maximizing profit margins and other issues under capitalism.

    • @wildhearses
      @wildhearses Před 3 lety +113

      yeah, I've never met a person who "wants" factory farm conditions to exist of things to suffer, those markets were just unregulated and also lobbied to the point they were pretty immune. I think alot of vegans realize that- I def think if you're not going to be vegan knowing where your meat comes from and cutting back can go a long way ect. This particular person just seems to be using veganism to feel like a good person when capitalism has worked for her, she's been allowed to remain delusional and privileged.

    • @henryviiifake8244
      @henryviiifake8244 Před 3 lety +38

      "I'm not racist... *🅱️ u t"*

    • @alejandrogangotena9033
      @alejandrogangotena9033 Před 3 lety +13

      maximazing profits is rooted in human greed. It was part of feudalism as well.

    • @wl415
      @wl415 Před 3 lety +28

      Yes sadly many vegans are very privileged and ignorant to capitalist issues. A small but growing portion are a lot more intersectional as am I. You will not believe some of the shit I’ve heard these people say.

    • @SparklesNJazz
      @SparklesNJazz Před 3 lety +9

      antifa is interesting because while they claim to be anti-fascist, they’re actually pretty damn fascist because they demand ideological conformity, aka agree with me or i’ll burn down your house/city/rob your business/dox you/slander your name etc etc. sometimes you gotta look a little deeper than the name

  • @knishofdeath
    @knishofdeath Před 3 lety +43

    As someone who has been vegan and an anti-capitalist for like 24 years, I thought the pro capitalist argument was cringe

  • @cafeidiom
    @cafeidiom Před 3 lety +1479

    After her video on BLM, and her recent video on D'Angelo Wallace she's firmly put herself in the 'yikes' category.

    • @beveledeggs7494
      @beveledeggs7494 Před 3 lety +94

      Had to unsub after that horrible fucking video of hers

    • @stupidass69420
      @stupidass69420 Před 3 lety +53

      @@beveledeggs7494 What happed I’m too scared to check lol

    • @user-xb5bz4fu9o
      @user-xb5bz4fu9o Před 3 lety +26

      @@stupidass69420 same lmao I used to like her but now oh god

    • @bumblenbee4013
      @bumblenbee4013 Před 3 lety +6

      @@stupidass69420 baaad things.

    • @vojislavl6665
      @vojislavl6665 Před 3 lety +4

      Who is this person? And what she say on blm?

  • @pablomagno4679
    @pablomagno4679 Před 3 lety +333

    "Ecology without socialism is but gardening"
    Francisco Mendes - brazilian activist and syndicalyst

    • @TheQuixoticRambler
      @TheQuixoticRambler Před 3 lety +5

      quote of the day

    • @flotin9743
      @flotin9743 Před 3 lety +1

      Viva!

    • @jamieduggan4297
      @jamieduggan4297 Před 3 lety

      I love that. A new author to read

    • @pablomagno4679
      @pablomagno4679 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jamieduggan4297 although Chico Mendes didn´t write anything, he´s still an interesting figure. Most of his renowm comes from his passionate leadership in defense of the Amazon rainforest and it´s local and indigenous population, and subsequent assassination due to it.

  • @siamsasean
    @siamsasean Před 3 lety +97

    "I'm not a fascist, but I sure am against those people who are against it!"
    Dang, where have I heard THAT before?

  • @abcdisaster
    @abcdisaster Před 3 lety +56

    She's also made very... white comparisons about racism.

  • @thefrantasticmissfine
    @thefrantasticmissfine Před 3 lety +478

    "Without Capitalism, being vegan would just be a dietary choice!"
    Yes

    • @shelbypowell9919
      @shelbypowell9919 Před 3 lety +29

      As would staying home with one’s family, taking up a hobby, or adapting new skills to improve the quality of ones work

    • @anarchopal481
      @anarchopal481 Před 3 lety +43

      @@shelbypowell9919 why would you eat your family you monster

    • @cloudthief8918
      @cloudthief8918 Před 3 lety +9

      Wdym? Wouldn't it still be a moral choice if animals are unnecessarily being killed?

    • @davidpeppers551
      @davidpeppers551 Před 3 lety +10

      @@shelbypowell9919 We of course could say everything is a matter of choice. Under a dictatorship, a tyrannical boss or whatever, we all still have choice. The freedom we have in making these choices without grievous harm comming upon us differs greatly from situation to situation. A child with an authoritarian parent can do anything they want also, but do they even know they have a choise at two, at three, five, ten, whenever? Not all "choice" is equal, nor would all "choice" actually be considered choice by those involved.
      Saying everyone has choice is also an arguement which many people use to absolve themselves from any responsibility for their own actions, especially when those actions involve other people.

    • @sayso2135
      @sayso2135 Před 3 lety +13

      Not really. I wouldn't buy clothes made of skins or other things containing animal products for the same reason, it's not just a diet for many vegans. For many vegans, myself included, it's an ideology of opposition to exploitation and killing of animals.

  • @zalafinari
    @zalafinari Před 3 lety +229

    Humans make it hard to be human sometimes in general.

    • @toppersundquist
      @toppersundquist Před 3 lety +10

      To paraphrase the old classic, "95% of humans give the rest a bad name."

    • @scottsbarbarossalogic3665
      @scottsbarbarossalogic3665 Před 3 lety +14

      Reject humanity; become the cat nongender-specific person

    • @aqueercommunist
      @aqueercommunist Před 3 lety +1

      @@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 voidpunk gang

    • @sourgreendolly7685
      @sourgreendolly7685 Před 3 lety +3

      @@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 Way ahead of you, buddy!

    • @noireisbest6786
      @noireisbest6786 Před 3 lety +3

      @@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 That sounds like fun, just vibing with some fellow catpeople online.

  • @nataschavisser573
    @nataschavisser573 Před 3 lety +92

    A quarter of children in my capitalist country are stunted and there are multiple people begging for food and money at each traffic intersection. I would prefer "socialist" bread lines to this.

    • @nzuckman
      @nzuckman Před 3 lety +1

      We already have bread.... Car-avans in Texas

  • @Alex-ph5ir
    @Alex-ph5ir Před 3 lety +55

    Unnatural Vegan also did a whole "all lives matter" type thing after the George Floyd protests. I think there was at least a video and a community post, but I'm too lazy to look it back up. In any case, she got a lot of criticism and then doubled down. She has a true gift for sh*tty takes

  • @Alicehad3cats
    @Alicehad3cats Před 3 lety +104

    Oh my god yes!!! I unsubscribed from her when she kept spending time explaining why she wouldn’t make a support video for BLM on her channel even though she’s not racist instead of just making a support video. Was a major red flag to me

    • @marygreenway485
      @marygreenway485 Před 3 lety +25

      Absolutely. Before I knew about the BLM issue, she lost me when she framed owning pets as unethical. We can't go back in time and stop domestication, so what do we do? Release them into the wild? Sterilize them all so that they go extinct? How is responsible pet ownership unethical when it keeps them safe from injury and disease, provides them with a reliable food source and substantially elongates their lifespan? It's unethical by default just because they didn't technically "consent" to being pets? What?

    • @kieronhoswell2722
      @kieronhoswell2722 Před 3 lety +1

      I would’ve thought that you love red flags.

    • @O1OO1O1
      @O1OO1O1 Před 3 lety

      Why? Mike Rowe once made a video explaining why he didn't participate in the ice bucket challenge. It wasn't a red flag, he had a good point.

    • @jaylenecanales9703
      @jaylenecanales9703 Před 3 lety +3

      I'm so happy other people in here are talking about that video, I watched her videos on and off for years bc I disagreed with a lot of her takes then she made that blm vid and I just cut her content out of my life

    • @thepants1450
      @thepants1450 Před 3 lety +5

      @@O1OO1O1 what?

  • @Boggythefroggy
    @Boggythefroggy Před 3 lety +744

    I used to watch this lady’s videos where she’d dunk on other annoying vegans, but stopped when she made a weird video against Lindsay Ellis’ Dumbo video. I guess I sensed something weird going on underneath cos this is just baaad. Like how would she not recognize capitalism leads directly to the exploitation of animals for consumption because the animals become a commodity for profit..?? The reason we get giant farms with less regulation which lead to suffering of animals is capitalism? Man this hurts my brain lmao

    • @romancandleofthewild
      @romancandleofthewild Před 3 lety +96

      I never saw that dumbo video but I dipped out after her blm vid where she denounced intersectionality and said vegans don't need to support blm.

    • @wildhearses
      @wildhearses Před 3 lety +51

      @@romancandleofthewild I haven't watched this video but heard about it and it's super telling she also jumps to defense of that tik tok "vegan teacher" person when they compare eating animals to being nazis or whatever... so you can cross human rights streams when it suits your agenda of not giving a shit about black people, ok... also the whole comparing marginalized human rights to animal rights is just like not a great look. I think I realized she's kind of out of touch years ago but she seems like privileged trash that just got a rise out of freelee being slightly worse.

    • @Ahmgcats
      @Ahmgcats Před 3 lety +69

      It was her tweeting about women being irrational for being afraid of getting assaulted when they go out at night for me.

    • @origamioctopi
      @origamioctopi Před 3 lety +31

      @@Ahmgcats dang the ice cold takes just keep coming from unnatural vegan

    • @sanityisrelative
      @sanityisrelative Před 3 lety +26

      I dropped her after the BLM video. She showed up in my feed the other day after watching D'Angelo's videos about that vegan teacher person as a response to him and I just couldn't bring myself to watch that take. I hadn't seen/heard about the other things mentioned in this thread.

  • @rebeccahwilson3673
    @rebeccahwilson3673 Před 3 lety +127

    I used to watch UV until her BLM video. Super cringe. She has said that she used to be super into Any Rand.

    • @thepants1450
      @thepants1450 Před 3 lety +48

      Ayn Rand? Seriously? That explains a lot

    • @hollandscottthomas
      @hollandscottthomas Před 3 lety +17

      That actually explains a lot...

    • @ZijnShayatanica
      @ZijnShayatanica Před 3 lety +13

      _Y I K E S_

    • @aerenrose3528
      @aerenrose3528 Před 3 lety +17

      Hey,the fountainhead makes a great paper weight. Ive flattened so many curved posters with a copy i got when i was 14 for a christmas present

    • @slaughterround643
      @slaughterround643 Před 3 lety +7

      A n y R a n d

  • @radisk5973
    @radisk5973 Před 3 lety +52

    Everybody who's making a bad point always starts by completely misunderstanding what neoliberalism is lol.

  • @AnnDVine
    @AnnDVine Před 3 lety +457

    veganism depends on capitalism in the same way that environmentalism depends on deforestation

    • @DiMagnolia
      @DiMagnolia Před 3 lety +11

      YES. WELL SAID.

    • @shawnhornett
      @shawnhornett Před 3 lety +2

      Without capitalism you eat any damn thing you find. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @rethinkingeconomics7349
      @rethinkingeconomics7349 Před 3 lety +1

      Socialism also depends on capitalism. Capitalism begets socialism. Nobody’s going to want to get beyond capitalism if there is no capitalism.

    • @yorkshiremgtow1773
      @yorkshiremgtow1773 Před 3 lety +1

      @@shawnhornett 'Without capitalism you eat any damn thing you find'- that is, if there is anything after you've spent time hunting around for it. With Capitalism, you are allowed to grow your own food. Without it, you can't.

    • @shawnhornett
      @shawnhornett Před 3 lety +1

      @@yorkshiremgtow1773 Exactly. "Any damn thing you find" meaning grass , leather, bugs, pets,

  • @prnightsteel
    @prnightsteel Před 3 lety +83

    she argues simultaneously that we have to stick to capitalism because without any alternatives we'd be screwed, but is also fervently against trying any alternatives. Ok...

    • @sjs9698
      @sjs9698 Před 3 lety +2

      haven't you heard? there are NO alternatives
      capitalists are fekkin eejits.

  • @Chris_Tinacan
    @Chris_Tinacan Před 3 lety +892

    > Be Thoughtslime
    > Claim to be vegan
    > Shoot fish in a barrell for half an hour

    • @mattpluzhnikov519
      @mattpluzhnikov519 Před 3 lety +37

      I hereby nominate this for some sort of Underappreciated Comment/Rapid-fire punchline delivery award! 🤣😂🤣😂

    • @gaelanmccann324
      @gaelanmccann324 Před 3 lety +39

      Maybe Thoughtslime is one of those vegans who eat oysters because they believe animals without a central nervous systems can't meaningfully experience pain. I.e. Unnatural vegan might be too dumb to feel pain.

    • @howl9955
      @howl9955 Před 3 lety +5

      LMFAO

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim Před 3 lety +10

      > Claim to be vegan
      > Completely excuse all abuse and exploitation of animals if the person who does it doesn't have European ancestry
      Ah, of course, veganism. The ideology that says only white people are capable of causing harm, indeed.

    • @NaomiALJ
      @NaomiALJ Před 3 lety +72

      @@HuckleberryHim papa he gave good reasons as to why specifically indigenous communities - not all people who aren't European - should be left the hell alone. Sure, we can feel that ideally everyone would be vegan, but its super shitty to target these communities who've experienced an incredible amount of violence already vs, idk, factory farming which is torturing millions of animals and destroying the planet?

  • @biel96
    @biel96 Před 3 lety +107

    I used to watch her videos debunking diets and stuff, until her videos on BLM. Those were... rough. Never watched anything else from her

  • @toericabaker
    @toericabaker Před 3 lety +292

    Yaya I couldn't believe her BLM video. She has had this coming. Her flippant dismissal of everything left has been repugnant to watch.
    How does she have the ego to hand wave away an entire economic branch of study?

    • @McHobotheBobo
      @McHobotheBobo Před 3 lety +38

      Whyte peepol, amirite?

    • @ashtons8626
      @ashtons8626 Před 3 lety +13

      @@McHobotheBobo we are disgusting

    • @McHobotheBobo
      @McHobotheBobo Před 3 lety +25

      @@ashtons8626 Certainly the ones that parrot the bullshit of western empire, they're holding the world back and making us all look bad

    • @gizmodobaggins7040
      @gizmodobaggins7040 Před 3 lety +4

      @@McHobotheBobo "western empire" lol

    • @kylewilliams8114
      @kylewilliams8114 Před 3 lety +24

      It's like she's trying to be woker than woke. Spoiler alert: just makes her an ignorant Karen in the guise of a wokescold.

  • @vanyaaaa334
    @vanyaaaa334 Před 3 lety +201

    I used to follow her before she started sharing her terrible takes on disabled people and BLM, god I’m so glad I unfollowed her for good this is so embarrassing

    • @jay1603
      @jay1603 Před 3 lety +22

      I've followed her for ages and she just KEEPS spitting out these weapons grade bad takes and I think it's time for me to go too...

    • @quackgoesthegooose
      @quackgoesthegooose Před 3 lety

      What were her takes on disabled people?

    • @jay1603
      @jay1603 Před 3 lety +23

      @@quackgoesthegooose I think she said (out loud and in public) that there was nothing morally wrong with aborting a child purely because you find out they will be disabled

    • @naturalburial8375
      @naturalburial8375 Před 3 lety +12

      @@jay1603
      She also explained the morality of the death of disabled people based on so-called sentience in the over-used "who will you save, dog or human ? iamverysmart" thought exercise

    • @wmdkitty
      @wmdkitty Před 3 lety +11

      @@jay1603 I'm pro-choice, but I do think that it's undeniably ableist to abort a potentially-disabled fetus.

  • @theaureliasys6362
    @theaureliasys6362 Před 3 lety +288

    Neolibs: "if I can't see the harm myself, it doesn't exist."

    • @twinkiesmaster69
      @twinkiesmaster69 Před 3 lety +7

      As someone who has never been shoot by a gun
      I can confirm to you that america doesn't exist

  • @EMSpdx
    @EMSpdx Před 3 lety +40

    Thank you for this- I rolled my eyes and shook my head. Especially this part @24:20 onwards: factory animal farm workers HATE, HATE, HATE working at these places. Many of the people who work at these places suffer PSTD, develop depression and suffer from the effects of being exposed to concentrated animal waste. More regulation and a socialist leaning government would mean a safer and kinder work environment, a better ecosystem and a more efficient and equal way of distributing plant based protein for everyone, and not just those who can shell out loads of money for a Beyond Burger.

  • @Madhatter1781
    @Madhatter1781 Před 3 lety +99

    Neoliberals are right leaning. Hot take, I know, but come on, lady, neoliberals are just right leaning. Capitalism is right wing, neoliberalism is *all about* capitalism, therefore is right leaning.

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig Před 3 lety +7

      ...that's not a hot take?
      Everyone knows that. All of liberalism is right leaning. The only reason people assume different is because the US has a cultural hegemony in (english language) online discussions, and there is literally no left wing politics going on in the US.

    • @Madhatter1781
      @Madhatter1781 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Tacklepig Sorry, apparently "Hot take, I know" didn't convey the sarcasm very well, but it was there to be sure.

    • @Madhatter1781
      @Madhatter1781 Před 3 lety

      @Jack-a-Lopium I'd argue that PragerU does try to go for a false sense of diversity, with speakers like Candace Owens and whatnot. Lots of old men yes, but they could certainly take her into the fold

    • @aslamjm
      @aslamjm Před 3 lety

      How capitalism is right wing? Right wing mindset ( feudalism and monarchy) is older than capitalism. Capitalism and new age business are breaking social the structure. A black millionaire is a revolutionary position

    • @WraithReaper09
      @WraithReaper09 Před 3 lety +4

      @@aslamjm Because Capitalism can not exist without exploitation and it runs on the same hierarchy that Feudalism and Monachism runs on. Not that hard to see.

  • @miguelmartin901
    @miguelmartin901 Před 3 lety +406

    This woman: "Socialism is scary"
    Green anarchists: "Eat your greens syndie boyyyyyy...!!!"

    • @nico6143
      @nico6143 Před 3 lety +13

      *Green* Anarchists?
      Jesus, how many flavors of Anarchism are there!?
      What do Green Anarchists believe in?

    • @KatieTheDev
      @KatieTheDev Před 3 lety +40

      @@nico6143 anarchists, but more environment? Idk, isn't socialism inherently environmentalist?

    • @nico6143
      @nico6143 Před 3 lety +10

      @@KatieTheDev I mean, not inherently but I could see the same thought processes being used in such a way.
      I'm a liberal, but as I understand it if socialism actually managed to "go off", and Emperor of Antifa Thought Slime were to hit the socialism button, then there would be environmental benefit in the form of less shit being made because the incentive to over produce wouldn't be a thing anymore.
      My main concern is if the system is practical IRL, and what the consequences of abandoning captialism would be.
      Honestly, I'm just here because I'm a politics nerd

    • @KatieTheDev
      @KatieTheDev Před 3 lety +28

      @@nico6143 no, it's inherent. Under socialism, there is no incentive to be cheap about things. When the state controls the means of production democratically with the workers, there is no reason to continue pollution. There is, however, incentive to keep the environment healthy. There is no real cost to it, and climate change is dangerous. Therefore, it is a necessity that socialism be environmentalist. Socialism is for the workers. Environmentalism keeps the workers healthy and happy. We must be environmentalist to survive. Pollution is a mistake caused my capitalism. Socialism is the cure.

    • @KatieTheDev
      @KatieTheDev Před 3 lety +13

      @@nico6143 as for consequences of abandoning capitalism, there are no real negatives. The only ones who will be unhappy with it are the bourgeoisie. They will lose power. All workers will be equal. The power imbalance caused by capitalism will be gone, and we will have true, proletarian democracy. What the US has is bourgeoisie democracy. Under proletarian democracy, the workers control everything. There is no money involved in making decisions. There is no lobbying. Only the needs of the workers. That is what we care about.

  • @mimmikibilly
    @mimmikibilly Před 3 lety +52

    I peaced out from her channel when she said (I don't fully remember what her point was) that she doesn't have to fight for black people's rights because she's fighting for animal rights or something like that, as if she didn't talk about feminism and other social issues on her channel before. Vegan doesn't equal good.

    • @SJK1123
      @SJK1123 Před 3 lety +4

      in her most recent video she agreed with the perspective that activists who don't incorporate veganism into their activism are hypocrites...... meanwhile shes made 2 videos trying to explain why she shouldn't have to talk about BLM as a vegan

    • @mimmikibilly
      @mimmikibilly Před 3 lety +1

      @@SJK1123 Yeah I know she made 2 of those. That's disappointing. She sounds smart but at this point I have some second thoughts.

  • @KatKomodo
    @KatKomodo Před 3 lety +194

    She also implied and argued that veganphobia is as bad as homophobia.
    Yes, because vegans are being fired from their jobs because they’re vegan all the time.

    • @davidtaylor142
      @davidtaylor142 Před 2 lety +3

      She gives off powerful TERF vibes

    • @marreco6347
      @marreco6347 Před 2 lety +2

      RIP to all the vegans lynched in the third world.

    • @sealogic4552
      @sealogic4552 Před rokem +16

      Fired from their jobs, evicted from their houses, ostracized from their families, accused of pedophilia, killed…

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 Před rokem +7

      ​@@sealogic4552 Happened to me once. Actually my family just started buying more beans instead.

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 Před 10 měsíci +6

      I'd also like to mention that I have no idea what I meant when I wrote that 4 months ago

  • @AtomicBananaPress
    @AtomicBananaPress Před 3 lety +66

    I'm just a stupid meat eater, but did she just make the "You can't be moral without religion" argument with veganism and capitalism?

    • @mimmikibilly
      @mimmikibilly Před 3 lety +18

      You're not stupid, you just have your life to live. Maybe one day (if you can afford it in more than one way and if it doesn't harm your health) you'll manage to change your meat supplier if it's currently coming from massive production or you'll start your journey towards a meat-free diet, but it's not my place to say that. That is something that you must want to achieve yourself. I wish we could all be at least vegetarian, but I understand that it's impossible for a number of factors. Scientists are developing alternatives to butchered meat and I think it's a great compromise for everyone, since most people don't like to know that their dish suffered before being made. Please don't feel attacked by the last sentence. I mean well.

    • @AtomicBananaPress
      @AtomicBananaPress Před 3 lety +8

      @@mimmikibilly thanks for taking the time to compose this response. I definitely try to source what I eat as humanely as possible, but yeah, it's a struggle getting over my baser instincts. Luckily I have a few friends who have been vegetarian for a number of years that I can look to for advice when I make the plunge, I never thought I would even consider it, but it's definitely becoming more and more of a direction I'm thinking of taking.

    • @tavrosnitram
      @tavrosnitram Před 3 lety +6

      @@mimmikibilly i dont eat vegan (despite an arguable ability to) because i dont personally buy into the idea that the supermarkets which buy the products will actually buy any less of it if they stop getting my order of a few pounds (for about 5 people) of beef a week. im of the mindset that they have quotas to fill and will simply throw out whatever isnt bought, like they literally already do. so it seems silly to me to forfeit personal pleasure to try and fail to reduce the profit of meat industry. theyve already profited from what theyve done. whats the argument for stopping consumption of meat? it kind of seems to me like a drawn out version of an "i think we should improve the meat industry somewhat" "yet you eat meat! curious. i am very intelligent" meme. not to say you act like that of course but thats just my perception of the arguments ive been given. id appreciate comradely input.

    • @Eon2641
      @Eon2641 Před 3 lety +12

      @@tavrosnitram I get where you're coming from, but I'd just like to point out that vegans don't think they are personally hurting a companies pocketbook enough to change their minds. They think that enough people going vegan will. Enough people not buying animal products definitely would incentivize companies to reduce the amount they stock, and they would therefore profit less from animal exploitation. Like, their order sheet isn't written in stone and passed down from a higher power, they (or rather, an algorithm) make an educated guess at how much they would sell in a given time period based on statistics like weekly sales figures. Now it's true that they order more than they need, but only enough to cover potential outliers. Speaking as someone who's done orders and stocked shelves for a living I can attest to that personally.
      Now, you can make the personal choice to not be vegan for a whole bunch of reasons (I'm not vegan either) but when it comes to the logic behind veganism discouraging companies from producing animal products, it's unassailable.

    • @TheRainstorm97
      @TheRainstorm97 Před 3 lety +7

      @@tavrosnitram Yes it's about you *and* all your friends and family choosing to buy a few pounds less of beef a week, adding up to a big loss, and simultaneously buying more produce or specifically vegan alternatives, and the demand shifts as a whole in the market so that smart investors will ultimately be the ones changing the industry. In the short term there probably will be a lot of waste of meat (as you pointed out, this does already happen) but that short term increase of waste is just because the industry is still barreling in the same direction and the meat was already processed and the cows to be slaughtered afterwards to make more meat have already been born. Once it changes there will eventually be a net decrease of meat produced in total, and the idea is that the waste is worth it for all the future benefits. This is of course all in a capitalist system still.
      I just want to also say that, as I'm not vegetarian (health + financial reasons) I eat as little meat as possible. Small things like Meatless Mondays are already making a big change in our social consciousness and vegan alternatives are becoming more popular by the day. You don't have to be fully vegan to do some good. Whatever you cut out or source ethically still matters.
      That said, there are clearly still some vegans who are living their life as the "I am very intelligent" meme. I'm seeing that as it becomes easier to be vegan and less unusual, there are fewer outspoken self-righteous vegans yammering about how chicken farming is the biggest holocaust. So there's another reason to eat less meat...

  • @jensendsflowers
    @jensendsflowers Před 3 lety +1364

    I unsubbed her after her "Do Vegans Need To Talk About Black Lives Matter?" video. Her comments weren't just hurtful and incorrect, they were stupid too.

    • @sanityisrelative
      @sanityisrelative Před 3 lety +50

      Same.

    • @beveledeggs7494
      @beveledeggs7494 Před 3 lety +66

      Same that was so horrible

    • @bibliophilecb
      @bibliophilecb Před 3 lety +201

      Same, something about her always rubbed me the wrong way (people who base their entire persona on being “logical” and therefore superior to others often end up being assholes) and that video unfortunately confirmed all my worse fears about her and then some.

    • @fortunamajor7239
      @fortunamajor7239 Před 3 lety +68

      Thank you. I was like ... I know this woman can't be THIS tone deaf. 💀

    • @thisisjustaflashback
      @thisisjustaflashback Před 3 lety +28

      i'm so glad that i somehow missed that video because i haven't heard anything good about it. but i've unsubscribed from her recently too. very bad vibes lately. she used to seem so sensible but i see what Chris H is saying. a lot of her arguments are pretty pathetic.

  • @Valaron748
    @Valaron748 Před 3 lety +185

    Time for some of that vegan beef, seriously though UV is a bad take factory, and this is coming from another vegan.

    • @kylechristophermiller8742
      @kylechristophermiller8742 Před 3 lety +10

      I second that

    • @AveryCreates
      @AveryCreates Před 3 lety +37

      I can't stand her. I've refused to give her a single view for years now. I just get my secondhand embarassment fix by watching other vegans tear her thoughts apart.

    • @scootypoot3205
      @scootypoot3205 Před 3 lety +14

      I've been watching her for a little over a year now and the more I watch her the less intelligent I find her to be.

    • @naturalburial8375
      @naturalburial8375 Před 3 lety +14

      @@kohhna
      I unsuscribed a while ago because of her ableism.
      Edit : she isn't transphobic at least but still racist and ableist so yeah

    • @enaidealukal4105
      @enaidealukal4105 Před 3 lety +3

      some people are just extremely talented and well-practiced at... pure idiocy

  • @helenarneson9384
    @helenarneson9384 Před 3 lety +494

    her whole reasoning really seems to boil down to “i like feeling morally superior to other people by being vegan, and if we did things that would actually meaningfully change living conditions for animals i couldn’t feel that way any more.”

    • @alexiswinter6948
      @alexiswinter6948 Před 3 lety +26

      She's not vegan. She's vegetarian. She talks quite a bit about backyard chickens and eating eggs.

    • @amoureux6502
      @amoureux6502 Před 3 lety +12

      @@alexiswinter6948 she talks about it but I don't think she personally eats eggs

    • @noahatlas5240
      @noahatlas5240 Před 3 lety +1

      GO OFF 💀💀💀💀

    • @d.o.m.i.
      @d.o.m.i. Před 3 lety +10

      that explains why she likes that vegan teacher so much

    • @paiganism
      @paiganism Před 3 lety +23

      this what i wanted to come comment essentially-her argument completely boils down to her Enjoying being able to vote with her dollar & that she’s allowed to spec into this “moral” choice....which feels like she prefers a crueler system as long as she gets to sit on her high horse above it. we need a system where no one is “voting” with money to begin with.

  • @sweetpeacampbell3413
    @sweetpeacampbell3413 Před 3 lety +116

    capitalist realism really is such a hurdle, like how stunted is the social imagination of the defenders of capitalism.

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 Před 3 lety +13

      To be fair, they are the victims of generations of propaganda by Capitalism. Forgive them, they know not what they do. (They're still dumb, though, and need to be called out on their dumb opinions).

    • @raycearcher5794
      @raycearcher5794 Před 3 lety +2

      Also, a lot of people seem to be confused about the difference between capitalism and capitalization, and arrive at the conclusion that if we need capitalization (which we might) we therefor also need capitalISM (which we don't).

  • @michaelsanophale7265
    @michaelsanophale7265 Před 3 lety +168

    Somebody start the countdown to UV's inevitable pivot into ecofascism.

    • @mimmikibilly
      @mimmikibilly Před 3 lety +11

      I hope not, but who knows? Maybe she'll learn after a while.

    • @celanba
      @celanba Před 3 lety +37

      She's been called out multiple times, with a lot of suggestions for how to improve from multiple people, and she refuses to, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

    • @noemibolivar5945
      @noemibolivar5945 Před 3 lety +41

      I mean, once you're at the point where aborting potentially disabled fetuses seems good to you, you're basically already there. She probably just hasn't realized it for herself yet.

    • @naturalburial8375
      @naturalburial8375 Před 3 lety +30

      With her ableist and racist takes she's already half-way there

    • @Eon2641
      @Eon2641 Před 3 lety +19

      @@noemibolivar5945 Not surprising, considering she hasn't figured out she's a capitalist.

  • @testosteronic
    @testosteronic Před 3 lety +42

    Oh my god she thinks scientific thought couldn't exist without capitalism 🤦‍♀️

    • @danielludwig647
      @danielludwig647 Před 3 lety +12

      It’s a weird case of broadening the definition of capitalism to the point of uselessness. The way most people refer to the simple act of invention, competition, or exchange as an innate feature of “capitalism”, when none of those things are exclusive or even integral to the ideology.
      They don’t even know the definition of the ideology they’re stanning for. It just becomes an all-consuming god that absorbs responsibility for all their daily blessings.
      Without that god, the sun couldn’t rise.

    • @saltycoffee8172
      @saltycoffee8172 Před 3 lety +2

      @@danielludwig647 I've been saying for so long that capitalist/economy long ago usurped christianity as their religion. God stopped being the thing they sacrificed everything to long ago.

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 3 lety +1

      @@danielludwig647 This is the first time I heard stan used in a political discussion it really fits the mentality though. Much better the the old standby of zealot we used to have to use.

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 3 lety +2

      @@saltycoffee8172 the Cult of Supply Side Jesus is just about the only thing Maher has been right on in a long time.

  • @jaelikesjackalopes
    @jaelikesjackalopes Před 3 lety +182

    I reeaaaalllly hate when people try to dismiss criticism of something because there isn’t (or they refuse to see) a “viable alternative” because how are we supposed to begin to imagine alternatives when we refuse to criticize the current situation?

    • @theoneandonlymichaelmccormick
      @theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Před 3 lety +26

      It’s especially funny when you consider that, as a vegan, she probably needs to make this very same point to people about eating meat and dairy.

  • @dustind4694
    @dustind4694 Před 3 lety +96

    "Injustice is not harm"
    Welp I'm out, I'm opting out of the human species, I am now a potato.

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 3 lety +8

      Be careful with that declaration she is a vegan and potatoes are fair game to eat.

    • @Chris-qb8pl
      @Chris-qb8pl Před 3 lety

      @@FakeSchrodingersCat some people have a vore fetish, lol

  • @LazuliScarab
    @LazuliScarab Před 3 lety +41

    15:24 lady, you are standing in a burning building, arguing that it is illogical to leave because the fire might be outside too.

  • @corhydron111
    @corhydron111 Před 3 lety +54

    That video where she says having, feeding or helping cats in any way is unethical because they are carnivores still lives in my head.

    • @pond666
      @pond666 Před 3 lety +9

      wtf??? really???

    • @corhydron111
      @corhydron111 Před 3 lety +23

      yeah. in her tiger king video she repeated all of that too. she said supporting carnivorous species causes more death. like I don't know what she thinks the ideal outcome is in this situation. global caticide?

    • @pond666
      @pond666 Před 3 lety +20

      @@corhydron111 what the hell??? isn't veganism supposed to be ethical precisely BECAUSE it's possible for people to not eat meat, CONTRARY to other species??? lmaooooo

    • @ONeill01
      @ONeill01 Před 3 lety +9

      She is a consequentialist, taking the logical extent of anti-animal deaths, this is not veganism, it doesnt take the value and suffering of the carnivorous animals in question

    • @Eon2641
      @Eon2641 Před 3 lety +8

      @@ONeill01 Okay but... if you think about that position for more than three consecutive seconds, you realize it leads directly to an overpopulation crisis and far, far more death than just keeping a healthy population of predators?
      How does she live like this?

  • @christianj5950
    @christianj5950 Před 3 lety +145

    as a european i laughed out loud at her definition of neoliberalism. pro-welfare spending. lmao.

    • @consentclub8431
      @consentclub8431 Před 3 lety +13

      Margaret Thatcher is rolling in her grave

    • @jellokween1680
      @jellokween1680 Před 3 lety +1

      Just shows her ignorance

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 Před rokem +2

      Neoliberalism is just a fancy term for one who believes in (The new idea of) Free-Market Capitalism®

    • @LeBonkJordan
      @LeBonkJordan Před rokem

      @@consentclub8431 her piss-soaked grave

  • @LordKnightcon
    @LordKnightcon Před 3 lety +35

    15:16- "It's unreasonable to advocate for hypothetical alternatives when they range from untested to repeated failures."
    As though an economic system that completely shits the bed every couple of years resulting in the deaths of a not-insignificant percentage of the populace isn't evidence of repeated failures...

  • @TheRenaSystem
    @TheRenaSystem Před 3 lety +232

    ThinkGoo actually talking about veganism? Thanks BrainSlop

  • @tormunnvii3317
    @tormunnvii3317 Před 3 lety +541

    Being anti-vegan is cringe coming from leftists. Being anti-leftist is cringe coming from vegans. There I did it.

    • @shaebindley5043
      @shaebindley5043 Před 3 lety +1

      shes left herself though? I am a capitalist and on the left, communism and socialism are very extreme viewpoints and not having them doesnt mean you are on the right lol.

    • @tired2166
      @tired2166 Před 3 lety +79

      @@shaebindley5043 doesn't that just make you a libertarian? not a leftist

    • @Nicolae_Mew
      @Nicolae_Mew Před 3 lety +80

      Being anti-vegan is just cringe in general tbh

    • @nathan.w9906
      @nathan.w9906 Před 3 lety +62

      @@shaebindley5043 that’s not how it works, left wing=anti capitalist you’re just a liberal and you’re right wing

    • @shaebindley5043
      @shaebindley5043 Před 3 lety +1

      @@nathan.w9906 lol you're nuts and out of touch, I dont think anyone on the right would claim me. Communism is an extremist viewpoint

  • @zeeenno
    @zeeenno Před 3 lety +43

    “WE CAN’T TRY ECONOMIC SYSTEMS WE HAVE’NT TRIED, GUYS!!!”

  • @ahcnp2
    @ahcnp2 Před 3 lety +51

    So I THINK(?) her argument about "socialism just makes it a choice" is that she thinks the important part of Veganism isn't the moral choice to not consume animal products to reduce suffering, but that you're doing a boycott. It being a boycott is the important thing, so if you aren't reducing the income of a guy who is rich from selling hamburgers, you aren't doing veganism, and if you're anticapitalist, you're just reducing all rich guy incomes. We need to control people with money, so that by everyone boycotting the right things, the richest person will also be the most moral, non-cancelled person. Which is just the most backwards crazypants take but also the only reading that seems to have any kind of flow If-Then logic?

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig Před 3 lety +6

      The thing is, there isn't a moral choice there even WITH capitalism, if you understand how the system actually works. You literally can't choose not to participate in the system, unless you live self-sufficiently in the woods.
      The interesting thing is, there actually IS a contradiction between veganism and anti-capitalist thinking (kind of. Like it's not a big deal), but it's the exact opposite of what she's saying. Basically all (legitimate) animal rights positions ARE inherently criticisms of capitalism, and thus already addressed within anti-capitalist thinking. If you're a vegan, you basically have to be anti-capitalist by default (unless you're really dumb and don't understand your own position), making the label of "vegan" itself just seem like a very, very pretentious dietary choice.
      Like she's right that there's something there that should give you food for thought, but it's actually MORE anti-capitalist.

    • @Spamhard
      @Spamhard Před 3 lety

      It still just makes no sense when the majority of packaged vegan products are still unethical in how they're produced, packaged, marketed and shipped. Yes, one involves the death of animals and the other doesn't, but the capitalist side of it will always involve exploitation of workers, the ruining of land and environment, and mass production. Plus often a shift load of unnecessary plastics which go back into the environment and kill millions of wildlife anyway. It's definitely some backwards logic, for sure.

  • @Bloomingtide
    @Bloomingtide Před 3 lety +392

    She is so pretentious and self-righteous in her wrongness, omg.

    • @victoriagrace5134
      @victoriagrace5134 Před 3 lety +12

      What's worse is that she often claims to do her research and correct herself when she's wrong. Clearly this has been shown to not be the case now lol

    • @sunsundks3891
      @sunsundks3891 Před 3 lety +1

      @@victoriagrace5134 Hey,maybe she'll correct herself soon

    • @Ewr42
      @Ewr42 Před 2 lety

      @@victoriagrace5134 she used to do that, at least on veganism and diet stuff, like why milk isn't deadly, gluten is only bad for celiacs, banana diets are bad, backyard eggs are ethical and rice is about just as bad as meat for the environment
      She should've just stuck to those topics instead of going out of her niche topics to show her stupidly simplistic political views based off of hearsay and personal opinions
      And I used to trust her as a based and woke source of information about veganism. But how the fuck did she remain blind to how capitalism makes veganism elitist??
      But capitalism will make poor people rich so they can buy impossible burgers everyday, right? Wait, increasing poor people's buying power is closer to social-what????

  • @aislingbones1854
    @aislingbones1854 Před 3 lety +347

    Regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, someone claiming to "not have" or "not believe in" any ideology is a huge red flag.
    They're telling you that either A) "I am a grifter trying to pretend my ideology is objective fact." or B) "I have been grifted into believing someone else's ideology is objective fact."

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety +2

      But it is a fact that not everyone has an ideology, because all ideologies regardless of their forms are just artificial constructs. And it is the exact same thing with religions, too.
      So, therefore there is nothing wrong with some people who don't wanna be classified with any particular ideology. It's not like people just wake up one day, and just discover the fact they're this particular "ism", though.

    • @yoissy
      @yoissy Před 3 lety +39

      @@americanliberal09 an ideology is just a collection of beliefs.the names and grouping are artificially constructed, but even if you don't have a name for your beliefs,they are still an ideology

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety +1

      @@yoissy Yeah. I can see that, dude.
      "but even if you don't have a name for your beliefs,they are still an ideology"
      Nope. Having no name for it doesn't count as an ideology.
      In order for something to be classified as an ideology. It has to be an organized system of doctrines, principles, and tenants.
      So do you understand my point?

    • @yoissy
      @yoissy Před 3 lety +23

      @@americanliberal09 I do, but I do think most people do have a some sort of principles which guide their beliefs, whether or not they realize it if you want to net call that an ideology because they don't recognize it as one that's ok, but I think the main point still stands

    • @americanliberal09
      @americanliberal09 Před 3 lety

      @@yoissy So you wanna believe in something that's not there, right? I really hate to break it to you, dude. But not everybody has any principles to live by. So, therefore, it's really possible for most people to live their lives without a need for an ideology, though.

  • @CS-nw9si
    @CS-nw9si Před 3 lety +70

    Don't ever let the "bad vegans" deter you from being vegan.

    • @shadowcween7890
      @shadowcween7890 Před rokem +8

      Specifically me. I'm probably the most obnoxious one of all. Now give the cows fair wages for their milk.

    • @LeBonkJordan
      @LeBonkJordan Před rokem +7

      @@shadowcween7890
      abolish cow wage labor
      establish cowmmunism

  • @kellyloganme
    @kellyloganme Před 3 lety +83

    Not joking: "Is anti-capitalism anti-vegan?" was cut off by an ad for a Wendy's baconator. Tied to the phrase "anti-vegan" maybe?

  • @autolycuse2554
    @autolycuse2554 Před 3 lety +42

    4:10 To be fair, her 1/4 of a million subscribers seem to be turning on her. All of her videos on social issues tend to get massive ammounts of dislikes.

    • @thepants1450
      @thepants1450 Před 3 lety +6

      She lost over 1k of followers for this vid I think

    • @O1OO1O1
      @O1OO1O1 Před 3 lety +14

      It's not turning, it's feedback. That's the system working.

    • @wendyheatherwood
      @wendyheatherwood Před 3 lety +7

      Yeah, I was an occasional viewer of hers (I missed her comments about BLM) but between this, her defence of That Vegan Teacher and her monogamy video I'm out.

  • @diegoarmando5489
    @diegoarmando5489 Před 3 lety +246

    The Price is Right loser horn kept playing through my head everytime I heard that "definition" of neoliberalism.

    • @Juice1300
      @Juice1300 Před 3 lety +1

      Bweow bwo babwoooooow

    • @dontnoable
      @dontnoable Před 3 lety

      This could have been effective for jarring us into seeing beyond the hegemonic idea of capitalism running through her takes as we behold them!

  • @davidpaddon4529
    @davidpaddon4529 Před 3 lety +148

    "I can support the exploitation of humans but i draw the line at animals"

    • @gracebates3336
      @gracebates3336 Před 3 lety

      In a nut shell

    • @victoriagrace5134
      @victoriagrace5134 Před 3 lety +23

      I'm not kidding that's so close to what she says. She once defended fast fashion because "it's better than the other jobs those people would have".

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 Před rokem +4

      @@victoriagrace5134 has she never thought "these animals have access to regular food and Healthcare, they would never survive in such large numbers without us" was an equivalent stupid argument that could be made against vegans?

    • @sealogic4552
      @sealogic4552 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@victoriagrace5134I know I’m necroing an ancient comment, but holy shit is that some Scrooge shit right there

  • @tiffanyferg
    @tiffanyferg Před 3 lety +2295

    this vid is a banger, thank you

    • @gmc5618
      @gmc5618 Před 3 lety +37

      Incredible to see you here!!

    • @beetljam792
      @beetljam792 Před 3 lety +76

      was not expecting this crossover

    • @saraangel6696
      @saraangel6696 Před 3 lety +14

      you brought me here with your ig stories, ty

    • @awkwardnerd.
      @awkwardnerd. Před 3 lety +3

      Wait you're here 😁😁😁

    • @dialiaga
      @dialiaga Před 3 lety +5

      Wait, is a crossover gonna happen?!

  • @henrique3865
    @henrique3865 Před 3 lety +34

    "Im not pro capitalist(...) I'm anti anti-capitalist"... oh god

    • @WeDwellinaFiefdom
      @WeDwellinaFiefdom Před 3 lety +5

      I’m “anti-antifa” type beat

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig Před 3 lety +3

      I think "negative and negative makes positive" is like 6th grade math, right?

  • @artemkanarchist
    @artemkanarchist Před 3 lety +170

    Solidarity from a russian vegan anarcho-communist!❤️🖤

    • @ashtons8626
      @ashtons8626 Před 3 lety +11

      *based*

    • @johnparsons9294
      @johnparsons9294 Před 3 lety +1

      Oof, and I thought being vegetarian was hard in Russia

    • @artemkanarchist
      @artemkanarchist Před 3 lety +7

      John Parsons well, it used to be so half a decade ago, but these days local vegan products are becoming more available.
      I for instance buy seitan and tofu from an actual anarchist commune - it’s really affordable and tasty.
      But the government oppress and incarcerate anarchists in Russia so it’s a lot easier to be a vegan than to be an anarchist here 😂🤔😢

    • @daedreaming6267
      @daedreaming6267 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ashtons8626 and breadpilled

    • @johnparsons9294
      @johnparsons9294 Před 3 lety +5

      @@artemkanarchist Well I'm glad to hear the veganism bit has improved at least! I found vegetarianism difficult there, but that was some years back (I think the last time I was there was 2012.) And yes, incredibly sorry for the politics you have to live under, it SUCKS. Lots of things and places and people I miss when it comes to Russia, but especially having come out as trans and started transitioning, I don't know that I'll ever go back

  • @andreasanders7322
    @andreasanders7322 Před 3 lety +72

    She has a response video up where she avoids talking about TS's critiques at all but instead says the sentence "market socialism is not anti-capitalist" in a smug tone. She is insane.

    • @davidtaylor142
      @davidtaylor142 Před 2 lety +15

      Her entire personality is just assuming she's right because she's smart and then never doing any research

  • @innegativeion
    @innegativeion Před 3 lety +54

    "Captialism: Maybe Dying is Worse?"

  • @ZijnShayatanica
    @ZijnShayatanica Před 3 lety +39

    When she said neoliberals believe in a "welfare state" & having a social safety net, my soul cringed out of my body & I never want to associate with a vegetable ever again. I had to actually pause the video for several minutes just to get my bearings before continuing. 😌

    • @henkhenk4396
      @henkhenk4396 Před 3 lety +7

      Neoliberals believe in a welfare state like christians believe in sin, they acknowledge it's existance and really want to get rid of it

    • @ZijnShayatanica
      @ZijnShayatanica Před 3 lety +4

      @@henkhenk4396 Sounds about right!! 😆🤣

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig Před 3 lety +5

      A lot of neoliberals DO believe in social safety nets, just very heavily means tested ones. Or at least they pretend to.
      You gotta see that in a lot of countries with "normal" political systems (read: not the US), neoliberals infiltrate basically all political parties. In europe you get weird shit like neolibs running as candidates for socdem parties (honestly, one of those basically ruined german politics in the 90s...Gerhard Schröder, if the name is somehow recognisable internationally. That guy did what the nazis never managed and killed german social democracy)

    • @ZijnShayatanica
      @ZijnShayatanica Před 3 lety

      @@Tacklepig Good point. I think the key is that they never disclose at what point there's been enough evidence for their effectiveness, thereby they can continue to say it could never work. Lolol 😬

  • @EmeraldLavigne
    @EmeraldLavigne Před 3 lety +114

    Ah, yes, noted fans of government spending and social safety nets,
    Shuffleshuffleshuffle
    Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Regan.

  • @dreamof_me
    @dreamof_me Před 3 lety +240

    She’s come out with a lot of problematic stances in recent years, from her nearly pro-incel tweets, her video on BLM, and now this

    • @wschippr1
      @wschippr1 Před 3 lety +54

      Oh it got worse, she said anti-vegan sentiments is as bad as homophobia, defended a person who said coming out as queer is selfish, and said that being gay is a choice (well that acting on being gay is a choice, ya know, the something homophobes say).
      And the when people got angry, said they were just too emotional.

    • @happytofu5
      @happytofu5 Před 3 lety +12

      @@wschippr1 yuck, I totally missed those videos of her... really sad, I used to look up to her :(

    • @jdmmg4904
      @jdmmg4904 Před 3 lety +6

      what were her nearly pro-incel tweets? i missed those...

    • @SpaceWolf96
      @SpaceWolf96 Před 3 lety +23

      @@jdmmg4904 I assume the comment refers to her "cheating" tweets but I'm not sure, of so there is a whole video about it on her channel to further explain her point, but basically she said women can't really get angry at their partners for cheating if they "withhold" sex for them for long periods of time because it's a physical and emotional need.

    • @jdmmg4904
      @jdmmg4904 Před 3 lety +1

      @@SpaceWolf96 Thanks :)