How to Hit Bareknuckle punching, Victorian Boxing style of 1882 Pugilisms lost Knowledge part 1.
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- For all you victorian boxing, training, self defence and bare knuckle boxing fans out there at @DanOldSkoolConditioningMan . It's time for us to take another step along our fighting fitness journey learning Edward William Barton-Wrights New Art of Self Defence. Bartitsu, the victorian self defence training system and the first true mixed martial art of the modern age.
In this episode of the batitsu project we get back to boxing and savate of the late victorian and edwardian era. This time we take our first look at the forgotten knowledge of pugilism and that is how to fight bare knuckle boxing and what we can learn about it from boxers and boxing training of the victorian era.
After all, bare knuckle boxing for self defence is something we need to learn for our study of bartitsu as this is how the bartitsu practioner would have used his Boxing skills.
What discuss in this victorian boxing video is how the victorian boxers landed punches as opposed to how modern boxers land punches. How to form the fist. What knuckles we need to land our punches on safely so that we don't beak bones in our hands and how to structure the arm for punching bare knuckle so that the force of impact is absorbed by the mass of the arm and shoulder and not in the punching hand alone.
We also discuss famous boxers that wrote books on boxing and what they said about boxing and punching bare knuckle and what we can learn from them.
We also start to take our first step into punching bare knuckle boxing training by punching onto the heavy boxing punch bag wit just our bare hands.
Boxing training has always been a huge part of my unconventional strength and fitness lifestyle. Boxing training is a great way to workout and provides fantastic physical fitness training and functional fitness workouts. So why not come and join me as I work my way through my victorian martial arts training and boxing journey recreating bartitsu in its original style and experience hat it was like to train Edward William Barton-Wrights New Art of Self Defence at the Bartitsu School of Arms and Physical Culture as a victorian beginner.
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Glad to see somebody is talking about this
Thanks Dan.
Appreciate the videos.
Thanks, I'm quite pleased with this one been wanting to talk a little about this subject matter for a while.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan It’s your channel Dan 💯 do it your way.
It’s interesting stuff for me personally so I appreciate your videos.
I wish you and your family a happy weekend.
Very interesting, and thank you.
You are welcome, glad you enjoyed the video.
Great knowledge and very well spoken Dan thank you!💪🏻
Thanks glad you enjoyed it there's more victorian boxing and Bartitsu comming over the next couple of weeks. Hope you enjoy the channel. Dan.
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningManVery interested and looking forward to it.
Thanks Dan.....that's was Great.
I'm really glad you enjoyed it. I've been wanting to make this video for a while, there will be more to come on bare knuckle as well as the victorian boxing era. Hope you enjoy the channel.
Part 2 of Pugilisms lost knowledge is ready to watch. czcams.com/video/i8my585VXY8/video.html
you are talking about a time in martial arts, i wish i knew more about. My great grandfather won two olympic gold medals with the sabre in 1896 in Athens, and again in Paris. I myself have a wrestling base, but i love to study and train the art of boxing. Thanks for a very interesting video sir.
Thankyou for watching , and for sharing your family history connection, very interesting to hear, I also love sabre fencing and I am video diarying my victorian sabre journey. There is another late victorian pugilism video posting up in the next day or so. I will also be looking at some late victorian catch wrestling as part of bartitsu as well as Jujitsu. Thanks for the kind comments, hope you enjoy what's comming soon on the channel. Dan.
Part 2 of pugilisms lost knowledge is now ready to watch czcams.com/video/i8my585VXY8/video.html
Very good stuff informative
Thanks glad you enjoyed it, here is part 2
czcams.com/video/i8my585VXY8/video.htmlfeature=shared
Just discovered this channel, and very interesting! You are very knowledgeable, with dates and names. I super like this intro on punching old school. I am studying Jack Dempsey's book (cited) and his power line concept. It's amazing the 3 knuckle vertical punch. Reminding of Wing Chun's. And all the controversy about first 2 knuckles or not about breaking hands or not. I very like Jack Dempsey's writing style, btw.
Hi glad you enjoy the videos you have seen and I hope you continue to enjoy the channel. Jack Dempsey is my all time favourite champion and one of the most destructive boxers ever. Yes his perlite is simular to wing chun and was copied by Bruce Lee and incorporated into JKD. More Victorian boxing comming over the next few days as well as a new series about the Great champions of victorian boxing era. If you haven't done so already would you be so kind and subscribe please. Thanks Dan.
Morning, its nice to learn about history, knuckle boxing, must been very bloody, definitely a mans sport at the time, sorted men out from the boys. When you was teaching me boxing its such a great way keeping fit also i found it mentally stimulating being a older female i was taken back that i could learn and enjoy to achieve the footwork and hand work, shame i had to stop as my health declined, nothing to do with boxing, i met a few other older women who you trained they felt the same, you care about your clients progress. Well done.
Thanks glad youvenjoyed the video
Love your accent and love your knowledge
Greetings from Poland!
Thanks, I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Welcome, and I hope you enjoy the channel.
Very similar striking mechanism to xing-i Chinese boxing
The fist is very interesting,see similar in wing chun, I notice the fist /guard posture lends a certain heaviness to the hand which leads to deep rather than snappy strikes, these being way more effective in reality (breaking thru opponents guard with force left to damage him)
Yes, some similarity to wing chun, also punching onto bottom three knuckles. Yes, the tunes will be heavy, not like the snappy jab work of today's boxing. Glad you enjoyed the video. There is a part 2 to this video. Hope you enjoy the channel
I agree, also similar to the wing chun / JKD cycle punching and straight blast
The concept is correct.
But landing a full impact boxing style punch on your pinky and ring finger knuckles is great way to break your 5th and 4th metacarpals.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching.
Has anyone done any actual diagnostic testing regarding the different "ways to punch"? Karate was always bareknuckle back in the day and the karate punch uses the first two knuckles. Dempsey advocated using the bottom three knuckles as in this video. But has anyone actually tested the force generated and the impact on the bones in the hand/wrist/arm etc to determine which one actually is more efficient and effective?
This s video about victorian era boxing not Karate. Hence the title. Bit thanks for watching.
Well, I understand that. But the video is also about punch mechanics and the science behind it. But thanks for replying.@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan
Please could you put a video on bare hand hooks?
Thank you
czcams.com/video/7zPaLskPKfs/video.htmlfeature=shared here is one
czcams.com/video/GlVdF9x-z30/video.htmlfeature=shared here is the second video I did on victorian Boxing Hook. Punches. Hope you enjoy them. And if you haven't already, please like and sub. Thanks. Hope you enjoy the channel.
Why isnt middle-kunckle a good striking surface? It sounds excellent
you dont need to worry about the BS of making a flat surface to match like mulitple knuckles, just a point
it is bigger and heavier than all other knuckles combined - just look at it. God made that the punching knuckle
it is more obvious and logical to aim it thatn the others. It just makes sense
Either two knuckles or three, the protruding knuckle is used as a contact point. You just wouldn't want to land across all four knuckles without gloves on as you are far more likely to break your hand. Thanks for watching, and I hope you enjoyed it and hope you enjoy the channel.
Interesting knowlegde. Did they use hooks from time to time or was it rare?
Yes they did use hook punches. But they could look very different to today's Boxing.
Here is the video on hook punches czcams.com/video/GlVdF9x-z30/video.htmlfeature=shared
@@DanOldSkoolConditioningMan thanks a lot for a link. I read some books of Jan Skotnicki, polish boxing historia, but it it good to compare it seeing it live.
Hope you find this interesting, also in the videos don't get hit, we look at ducking hooks of your opponant and in the video pressure fighting and aggressive defence we look at the method of putting hook punches, straight punches and ducking into a boxing drill of victorian boxing.
my uncle fought bare knuck : weakened midsection 1st with 👊🏼, but reserved upper cut to KO
I picked up a neat trick back in the early 90's from a martial arts video by some guy that claimed to be ex Russian special forces . Anyhow, instead of pads or mitts , they only hit pieces of steel belted tires because they are the same density of a human skull, and the same shape. Can't say if all that is scientifically true, but it got me training in a more realistic way instead of wailing away on a heavy bag with wraps and gloves . I made a few of the tire pads and they do work great . Very unforgiving !
Some of the early systema stuff was really good, but it's all got a bit silly of late. Which is a shame. Yes, tyres are a great substitute but a good heavy bag is still very usefull.
Tires are good. But if you only go barelnuckle on bags and hard surfaces you wont be able to get enough volume over time. Unless you want debilitating arthritis faster. Train bareknuckle forsure but gloves allow you to get more time and reps on the bag in the long run.
Next up, Aikido!!!😂
The next up in this series are the similarities and differences between Karate, Wing Chun and the bare knuckle prize fighting rea fight styles. Hope you enjoyed the video and the channel. Our latest video out right now is the three style of Jujitsu of Bartitsu, it's weapons techniques and a little history.
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They probably learned about the bottom three knuckles from the
Chinese and especially those in the Wing Chun System of punching it's the Choi or Sun Fist ✊👊👊✊
you strike with the bottom three and tontje body you get a lot if power.
& the palm herl is good also especially to the face or gard oarts of the body.😊
No, it doesn't come from kung fu. Us Westerners had managed to sort this out for ourselves.
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Interesting 🎯
It's not that one martial arts learn from another it's just how the human body mechanics work the same.This is a real way of fighting unlike you see in most combat sports.
@@hkunsam2410 exactly
Look like wing chun
Wing Chun looks like western bareknuckle pugilism. Thanks for watching.
You're over thinking it mate.
Thanks for watching and for making comment.