The trucker’s hitch and an easy 3:1 set up
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2022
- The trucker's hitch seems complicated, but is really just a combination of a slip-knot, 2 redirects forming 3:1 mechanical advantage, and 2 "slip half hitches", which I also call "rabbit ears" to hold everything taut. It is commonly used for securing loads on trailers/trucks, or for securing tent cords to their stakes.
Hope this video helps some of you! Thanks, Chuck, for asking me to post it. Let me know in the comments if I need to remake it because of poor audio or lack of explanation.
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Nathan,
I really want to thank you for a great video.
I have watched it several times and I finally got the full understanding of it.
You really got me past the mental block or whatever it was that I had that made me keep forgetting how to do this knot.
It's really a very important knot to know if you do a lot of hauling with your truck or trailer.
You're a super teacher and I really appreciate it.
I've shared this with a couple of my Buds.
Looking forward to your next upload, Nathan, and thanks again.
GOD Bless and make HIS face to shine up on you AND KEEP YOU SAFE in your work 🙏
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Thank you for that blessing, brother. Glad this video helped. Thank you for requesting it.
Good demo. Just a note, if you put the working end through the slip knot's loop 2x instead of 1x like you showed, it forms something of a Blackwall Hitch and locks on itself so you don't have to pinch the rope with your hand once you've got it tensioned. Saves a ton of aggravation. First Class Amateur here on YT shows how to do it "at combat speed" and it was an eye-opener for me. Completely changed how I tie the Trucker's Hitch because it captures the tension you put on the line! I'll have to double-check to see how thick a rope it'll work with.
Thanks for the information and a couple other guys commented the same thing. It would help hold the line but it would also reduce the power of the MA system and thereby reduce your tension a little. The added friction would help hold your progress but also hinder you from achieving maximum tautness.
@@blueoakats I don't think it hinders how taut you can get the line. The key is what type of line you're using and how smoothly it turns the loop. Watching First Class Amateur's vid, you can see that he's able to get his rope as taut as a drum and it holds that tautness without the half-hitches to tie it all off. Where it shines is when you need to readjust your grip to haul away a second time. Of course, if your rope won't slide over itself smoothly, as I've found with a lot of the three-ply line I prefer, you're kinda stuck with the old method. 🤣
@@blueoakatsno, it doesn't prevent you from acheiving max taughtness. It simply make your job easier by auto locking and freeing up your other hand to throw a couple of half hitches to secure your rope. You can still tighten it enough that you can break the rope, if you can apply that much tension.
Nice demonstration. Thank you for this video.
No problem. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Happy to. Thanks for watching!
Nicely done. Tnx!
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In Tree work I'd go for the prusik as anchor for the redirect (pulley). Much easier to untie if the load is great.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Right on, going to try this on our jobs.
Great educational video for me, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Good explanation. very GOOD. ;)
Thanks for the encouragement!
Good video. Note, however, that at 2:20 into the video (and elsewhere) you state that the hitch provides a 3:1 mechanical advantage. It actually creates only a 2:1 mechanical advantage, as the "standing part" is NOT used in this calculation... only the "working part". (As I make this comment, I noticed that I was not the first to mention it.)
Thanks for watching and commenting. I’m going to do a video on mechanical advantage because it’s a fun topic and I use a lot of MA systems in my line of work. This really is a 3:1 system. Other videos on the trucker’s hitch and diagrams on what a 3:1 is can also confirm this. Please subscribe and hopefully I can have a new video on this topic up soon
Yours is a common first glance misconception about this hauling scenario. This is a theoretical (or ideal) 3:1 mechanical advantage (MA) system. It's functionally equivalent to a "z-drag" haul commonly used by rope rescuers. Its actual MA is more like 1.5:1 once friction is taken into account.
My slip knot that I used to make the loop kept collapsing on my rope and I knew it had to be something with they way I way forming it. Finally, someone who explains the right way and the wrong way to do the slip knot and even how to test if you're correct. Thank you! Love to see a separate video on how you did that initial figure 8 slip knot. Looked like you had some additional steps in there not shown in your other video regarding that knot. Thanks again!
That first knot was the slip figure 8 and I daisy-chained the slack. I’ll do a video on it too later on. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@blueoakats The slipped figure 8 to form a sliding loop - isn't that the same thing as a Siberian Hitch?
If you don't feel like messing with the slip knot, you can just use an alpine butterfly for your loop. Not quite as quick to tie or untie, but a lot more reliable.
@@nigel7719 not sure, can’t say I’ve heard of the siberian hitch. But I did just make a video on the slip figure 8 I tie in this video. Check it out if you like
one advantage to the carabiner approach, is that you can put _two_ loops into the "slipknot" loop (now represented by the carabiner) to form a blackwall hitch (after looping your standing end twice through, flip the first loop over the second), and make your overall trucker's self-locking; you'll still need to secure it at the end with two half-hitches, but won't have to mess with the pinching and two-hand gymnastics you have to do to keep from losing tension while you put your half-hitches in. #firstclassamateur
Great video thanks 😊
Look at the physics of this. The pole only changes direction, therefore this is a two to one mechanical advantage .
Actually this is a 3:1. The first strand is still being pulled, then when it goes back through the slip knot, it’s adding a 2:1. This makes it a 3:1. It’s the same concept in rock climbing if you have to make an improvised hoist.
In any arrangement of pulleys, the free end you are hauling on does not count as one of the shortened ropes. 2:1.
@@alexchun1105, it is well known that the information presented in Wikipedia must be taken with a grain of salt. A look at the revisions of that entry reveal a long list of confused evaluations of the purchase afforded. A cursory check of that diagram claims that the two anchor points are being drawn together by differing amounts of force; The lower point bears a load of 2F while the upper bears 3F, rather incongruous.
Suppose we redraw that diagram a trifle. Eliminate the short length of line supporting the upper pulley, and move that pulley upwards to the point of connection with the rope. In practice this would be done by tying off the upper line to the top of the pulley, and making fast the lower portion of the line to a becket at the pulley's bottom. Now thread the line through the lower pulley, and then back up through the upper. This gives the same arrangement, resembling a little more a conventional block and tackle, and you can count the number of ropes shortened, which is two, as the free end you haul on is not counted. 2:1 advantage.
@@leehaelters6182 Thank you for your considered reply. I don't have the diligence to understand the description of your model's setup. But I did look up the references for 3:1 in Wikipedia. Here they are, in case anyone here has either of these available, and cares to chime in:
Compton, Nic (2013). The Knot Bible. Adlard Coles Nautical. p. 74. ISBN 978-1-4081-5476-2.
Tilton, Buck (2019). Outward Bound - Ropes, Knots, and Hitches. Falcon. p. 34. ISBN 978-1-4930-3503-8.
@@leehaelters6182 The difference between the 3F at the top and the 2F at the bottom is not erroneous. Analysing the forces in the vertical plane gives a total of 3F in each direction, as you have to take the 1F into account from the pulling force. For the system to be stable the forces must be in balance , which they are. If you then tie off the pulling rope to the bottom anchor then you will get 3F both ways.
They are just taking the temporary case while you are holding the rope.
Used to rig this up when doing trees by myself, nice constant tension. Make my notch, pull her tight, start my back cut and then push down on the line with my bodyweight. Thats when i didnt have my 4 ton come a longs my by LugAll. Born and bred in the tree industry. Thank you for the good video brother. Stay safe out there.
Thanks for the feedback! You stay safe also
"That's one damn fine-looking rope" - Marv, Sin City
It is a 3:1. I know Wikipedia is peer reviewed, but physics is physics. If the stationary pulley was a fixed hitch instead, it would be a 2:1 Since it is a pulley which leads back to a moving pulley, it is a Z Rig. Also, remember friction loss from the fiber to fiber contact. Small, but real.
its a 2:1 mechanical advantage and that's physics.
All you have to do to lock it off instead of the two half hitches is run your line through the loop twice. When you tighten it, it will roll over on itself and lock the rope in place. Doing it this way negates the need for pinching off the rope and tying locking knots. Simply pull it the opposite direction and it will unlock.
2:1 mechanical advantage
perfect! thanks. I always called it the Dad-hitch
Can you get 5:1 advantage by looping the working end around the foundation one more time?
I’m planning on doing a separate video on mechanical advantage systems. Subscribe and I’ll try to get that one up soon!
there are few metods to tie a trucker hitch WITHOUT passing the whole line trough the loop (imprtant when you use a long rope you prefer not to cut). look around
A picture is worth a thousand words 🤔
I use a directional figure eight instead of the slip knot, any issues with that?
If it does the job I see no issue. The slip knot is just nice because it comes undone with very little effort.
Great !
Great
thank you
what kind of rope is that? is that rope made for arborist work and or climbing?
Yes. That rope is a 1/2”. That piece is a scrap end of rope that I don’t use for climbing. I prefer arbormastor by samson as a 16 strand, or velocity by Samson, a 24 strand. Velocity is easier to splice. And sterling HTP is a really good rope for SRT / SRS because it’s extremely low stretch but you cannot splice it.
Selecting a climbing rope depends on the type of climbing you are interested in. I’ll be making videos in the future that teach different climbing systems and give advice for rope/tools to use. Subscribe to my channel if you want to see when they come out.
please show in detail the beginning slip 8 knot. thank you
I will make a separate video for that knot. It’s a great knot to know!
@@blueoakats thank you so much!
i used. the same truckers hitch as yours but recently i discovered. the alpine butterfly knot to replace. the slip knot .. its. easy and comes undone easily no matter how much tension is put on the rope .. check it out :)
That’s the knot I use for the middle loop. Looks nicer and can move in either direction and I agree is easy to get out
Nice job god bless
Same to you
I agree that the theoretical mechanical advantage is 2 to 1. It is reduced by friction.
How about a slower vid showing the slipped figure 8 at the beginning?
Here is my video showing that slip fig-8: czcams.com/video/3mHbQL8cr1Q/video.html
I’m going to do a video on MA so stay tuned, thanks for watching!
I prefer alpine butterfly loops over slip knots. They're easier to untie.
I prefer the inline knot as well - mostly because I inevitably pull the wrong side through my slip knot, damn near every time. 😅 sad, but true.
@@kerrischneider7693lol same
With the Truckies Hitch (instead of this Trucker's Hitch), you will not have a hard time trying to undo the "full byte" because it doesn't use it.
If you would run it thru your slip twice it will stay taught while you then do your slip half hitches. Your welcome
I was looking to see if someone else had pointed that out. The channel "First Class Amateur" taught me.
@@EvilMonkey8366 yup same here
Thanks for the tip
Right concept, but that’s not a Truckers Hitch
Correct-not a truckers hitch and not 3 to 1. A 2 to1 and actually less due to all the rope friction
@Mark and @herbiesnerd, I am curious what disqualifies it, in your view, to be called a Trucker's Hitch? The noose as a pulley, rather than a Figure Eight or an Alpine Butterfly?
@@Mark-jd1fr, agreed that the purchase is 2:1, as the free end hauled on is not counted as a shortened rope, no?
@@leehaelters6182 I was a firefighter for 31 years. This is how we were taught. They key technique is tossing all the working end rope OVER the taught line. This video shows the first way I learned it which in my opinion was superior than the 2nd way I learned it. Instead of the Bowline at the change of direction, you can also use a very simple sheep shank. The sheep shank only held if the line is kept taught as it would fall apart if allowed to go slack. But, that’s the exact reason it was used, so it would easily come apart when you were finished using it.
czcams.com/video/t0xy_a2z0Cw/video.html
The loop he tied in this video we are all commenting on, is using a completely separate technique for a middle of the line loop. The truckers does not require you to feed the working end of the rope through the change of direction loop. However, I do use this technique like did but I use a middle of the line Butterfly Loop.
All good knots possess 3 qualities: 1) Easy to tie 2) Easy to untie 3) Easy to identify
The loop he made will be a bitch to untie. A butterfly loop is like butter to release no matter how tight tension was.
@@herbiesnerd, much appreciated your thoughtful reply, and I am working on absorbing the video you linked to, it is much food for thought, With the sheep shank mid rope "pulley" loop, I appreciate its value in unlashing and coiling up a long series of hitches, but I have never used it myself. I most always have relied on the Alpine Butterfly, as I have come to know it, for the same reason you mention. First person to teach me this version was my employer in the mid 1970's. He had learned it from some European co-worker, who called it a "Dutchman". I have not heard that term since. I will share my thoughts after studying the techniques you showed.
Not the “Truckers knot” I know. What if your tying down a load with a 50ft rope. And needing to tie a load several times. Feeding 30/40 ft of rope through the loop, too time consuming. The boss would be pissed, wasting time with that knot.
Most Americans don't have any idea they're doing it oddly inefficiently. 👍😎✊
and you're 100% correct :-)
Because the "slip knot" is not the knot to use
Knot bad ;-)
I wonder, can you add a second truckers hitch to the line and gain a 6:1 advantage?
Yes, you can. The more you add, the more advantage you get.
2:1
Its called a half sheepshank
Put another slip knot in the loose end of the rope that wraps around the pole and get 4:1. Then on that loop go around twice and it will lock. Secure it with a half hitch.
That set-up is not truly 3:1. It is 2:1+, with friction at the anchor and the slip knot diminishing the advantage. Pulley blocks would reduce friction and improve the power. But as a quick set-up for rope-only work it is a quick and easy set-up.
I posted this on another 2:1 thread. I'll repost here. Wikipedia says 3:1. FWIW.
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If you don't think it's 3:1, you can test it. Set this up between a chair leg and something that doesn't move. Pull the loose end 3 feet and the chair will move 1 foot. It's 3:1.
Nah, slip knot, hard to undo
2 to 1
No actually this really is a 3:1. I’ll do another video explaining how later on. Thanks for watching!
There is a better way to tie a load down faster
Wow, he knew what he was doing up until he started to pinch off the knot.. don't you know how to make an auto locking truckers hitch?
You just pull it tight and it locks itself down you pull it tight again and it locks itself down.
No need to do the stupid trying to pinch with your one hand and then make it tight with the other hand nonsense
That's where everyone messes up so just remove that step by making it an auto locking knot
So how do you make it auto-locking?
Well, you do not have the end available in every case. Sometimes several lashings are made in continuous fashion, using a much longer length of line. Far too tedious to thread an end through, much less twice for each hitch. Not to mention unlashing and coiling up at the unload.
@@JDeWittDIY, it can be done by threading the free end through the ''pulley'' loop once more, but crossing it over itself. See the videos of First Class Amateur.
@@leehaelters6182 Thank you, I will look up those videos.
Wrong, that is not a trucker hitch
Silly American's!
More confused ....🤪
That’s a terrible way. Noob knot. Research the real trucker knots. Slip knot is prone to locking closed and being difficult or impossible to undo.
No need for a half hitch, just go through the loop again and it'll self lock...
...cool, very cool...