CHAOS ARMY GUIDE! - Total War: Warhammer

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  • @peabutterspecial2362
    @peabutterspecial2362 Před 7 lety +713

    Sarthorael is a giant vulture chicken that excels at disrupting your enemy's backline due to his high mass, god tier missle resistance, and decent spells. Because he is a terror causing monster bird with missle resistance, he is a good way to sneak in a monstrous unit into your roster against factions with powerful missles. To properly use Sarthorael, take him with a few spells (or don't if your want him cheaper) and a Scroll of Shielding. Proceed to place him a ways in front of your army during deployment and have him rush ahead into enemy missle range if the conditions are acceptable. Pop that Scroll of Shielding and watch those Handgunners turn into peashooters. When your army gets close enough, have him charge into the enemy's infantry and keep him moving. His charge animation resets almost immediately, so it is easy to have him charge one unit, then while it is disrupted quickly charge the next closest one. If you do this against his missles, they will get almost no chance to fire while your infantry rips the enemy's infantry apart. His melee stats and health are pretty low though, so don't commit him in melee for long, else Grimgor turn him into a turkey dinner.

    • @Gwaeddwynn
      @Gwaeddwynn Před 7 lety +20

      its funny how everyone thinks of sarthorael as missile resistant, while kholek, being exactly as resistant as the warp bird while also having some armour is considered weak to missiles :)

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +33

      How much is his resistance?

    • @peabutterspecial2362
      @peabutterspecial2362 Před 7 lety +51

      75%. If you add the Scroll of Shielding, it is 97%.

    • @78bt3y
      @78bt3y Před 7 lety +8

      How do you unlock the giant chicken? 🐓

    • @jerec1267
      @jerec1267 Před 7 lety +20

      78bt3y at about turn 100 in the warriors of chaos campaign he will spawn and try to destroy you
      Defeat him and you unlock his use for the multiplayer

  • @SampoPaalanen
    @SampoPaalanen Před 7 lety +489

    As silly as it seems like mass routing of the Chaos forces seems somewhat lore accurate, the more expensive chaos units have high leadership because they're absolutely certain that gods of Chaos will protect them (or at least their chosen god will), should they waver in that conviction their courage will melt like snow in midsummer. That's also why the lord is so important, he is the reminder of the favor of the dark gods and should he die it will seen as the warband having lost the favor of the gods.

    • @DzinkyDzink
      @DzinkyDzink Před 6 lety +25

      That makes the campaign so painfull. When I first met their stacks they routed with like >50% of men alive despite me having 4 units of reiksguard to mop up cowards. They ran on forcemarch deep into chaos wastes which made it impossible to benny hill chase them around.
      Empire Elector Counts units on the other hands die en masse and what's left usually is no big deal even for a secondary mop up stack.

    • @hfo4326
      @hfo4326 Před 5 lety +9

      Most of their demonic monstruous units are possessed warriors, like, according to warhammer lore any time they could be influenced by chaos warp

  • @rnavashen4635
    @rnavashen4635 Před 6 lety +447

    Has great leadership but gets mass routs
    Truly the chaos gods work in mysterious ways

    • @warlordghandi3590
      @warlordghandi3590 Před 6 lety +28

      dang it Tzeentch

    • @TheFearsomeRat
      @TheFearsomeRat Před 4 lety +3

      Then they all suddenly rally and you can hear him screaming "CREEEEEEEED!"

    • @jedahn
      @jedahn Před 4 lety

      @@TheFearsomeRat Either way it's still 'part of his plan'.

    • @CoolGuy112
      @CoolGuy112 Před 4 lety +3

      Quite chaotic

    • @tomthestone1470
      @tomthestone1470 Před 3 lety

      Well thats because of the value of the units

  • @NoahTheJerySpringer
    @NoahTheJerySpringer Před 6 lety +874

    You wanna know whats really expensive? All the damn dlc for this game.

    • @ziljin
      @ziljin Před 6 lety +36

      NoahTheJerrySpringer LOL still much cheaper than The Sims games.

    • @Drebolaskan
      @Drebolaskan Před 6 lety +111

      @@ziljin Thats not much of a consolation =_=

    • @ziljin
      @ziljin Před 6 lety +13

      @@Drebolaskan lol true

    • @hugheszie
      @hugheszie Před 6 lety +34

      Thanks SEGA. The only reason i never purchased these games was the DLC. Half the stuff in the base game is missing.

    • @diegodiego3164
      @diegodiego3164 Před 5 lety +6

      Well then, if the game costs you a liver and the half of your lungs, just pirate it in skidrow or something.

  • @GaldirEonai
    @GaldirEonai Před 7 lety +251

    I think the mass routing is another side effect of the quality-over-quantity approach. I believe the severity of the "friends routing" effect depends on the percentage of the total force that is currently broken. If a single unit of empire spearmen breaks that's probably way less than 10% of the army's total manpower. If a single unit of _Chaos Warriors_ breaks, on the other hand, that represents a significantly larger share of the total force...

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +34

      Could be. I think they get the same penalty though. Which I think is -3 per unit. Perhaps -6 for better units but not sure entirely.

    • @Koeras16
      @Koeras16 Před 7 lety +20

      Indeed, mass routing is related to the total amount of units you got in your army. Losing 200 from a 1000 unit pool hurts much less than losing 200 from a 500 unit pool. All leadership numbers are quite fix tough. Mass routing is a -120 leadership debuff to all units if I recall correctly. The highest you can get. But then with that interface is hard to follow how leadership is doing.
      I saw multiple times a direct debuff of -6 if a friendly unit routs. That debuff doesn't last forever as far I know. What hurts units most is damage inflicted to them. Combine that with the death of a lord, fear or terror and a friendly unit that routs you will create a chain reaction.
      How big of a leadership debuff was the death of a lord and general ? forgot...10 or 20 ? More for Lord of course.

    • @PHeMoX
      @PHeMoX Před 7 lety +6

      Not when you play smart in terms of tactics on the battlefield (which mostly just means taking your time and not rushing into strong lines of enemy forces). The most important is to counter any flanking and keep the rest of your forces close to each other. It's actually a pretty strong faction when you do not leave weak spots in your total formation. With Chaos you need to be a little bit more careful in how you arrange your units to be able to defend them properly. It's kind of the only reason why it's a difficult faction to play, because aside from that it is actually a pretty strong faction all around (it's why it's expensive).

    • @KachiAT
      @KachiAT Před 7 lety +2

      -16 for death, -13 if fled the battlefield, I believe, then scales down to 12 and 13, iirc

    • @ethanshin2598
      @ethanshin2598 Před 7 lety

      PHeMoX The problem Chaos has is that balanced builds don't win games. You have to build specifically to counter something, and you will inevitably be susceptible to one thing or another while always being weak to terror and fear. Taking your time is important, but you'll find that spending sufficient resources to counter flanking means losing the main line engagement, and vice versa. You can build so that you can muscle through anything thrown at you, but then unit speed becomes a problem, and your smaller troop density means opposing missile units have an easier time finding value targets and spells by default gain more value as well. I'll list a few things Chaos has problems dealing with which require specific counters tending to be expensive.
      Wood Elves: Giant Treemen like Durthu, Waywatchers/Glade Guard SfS, Forest Dragon mounted glade lady, tree kin, wildwood rangers
      Empire: Demigryph Knights Halberds, Halberdiers, Handgunners, Greatswords, Light Wizard, Flagellants, Steam Tank (to a degree)
      Greenskins: Black Orcs, Giants, Missile Cavalry (the regiment specifically), Azhag on Skullmuncha, Hammer of Gork
      Vampires: Basically everything
      Dwarves: Norngrimlings Ironbreakers, Slayers, Gyrocopters [Dwarves will still struggle if not outright lose in this matchup]
      Beastmen: Centigors Throwing Axes and Great Weapons, Giant, Razorgor Chariot unit and mount, Bestigor Herd
      If people bring optimal builds against you, you will struggle against every faction but Dwarves, and that is because fighting Dwarves is very one dimensional, however against other factions, they will from the start dictate the pace of the battle with their choices, and you're the one who has to play reactionary from the start until you find a mistake big enough to turn that around.

  • @mikesgamedomain8202
    @mikesgamedomain8202 Před 7 lety +60

    One important factor, the Chaos army for the most part isn't immune to psychology. Enemy fear/terror, death magic, and rear charging can easily trigger mass route. Aspiring Champions and heros are crucial for maintaining leadership, which further exaggerates the small-expensive army downside. Chosen should probably be immune to psychology, but it is what it is.

  • @ChilledRico
    @ChilledRico Před 7 lety +150

    1 dislike? Volkmar was here.

    • @bertus3710
      @bertus3710 Před 7 lety +12

      And some of his Flagellants aswell.

  •  Před 7 lety +30

    I think mass routing occurs a lot in chaos games because most of their units have the encourage ability and when they route that's goes away and then they give the friends routing debuff.

  • @cebuanoguy
    @cebuanoguy Před 7 lety +53

    Chaos vs Greenskins: Bring at least 2 hell cannons, deploy all the way in the back, manual aim, and target the black orcs, gg. Chaos vs Stunties: Always bring gorebeast chariots, the stunties have no answer to chariots. The way you setup a chariot charge is like setting up a wind of death, target from the side, not the front, not the back. Chaos vs VC deathblob: Aspiring champions, flaming sword of rhuin, 2-3 manticores to chase their lord, and spam Shaggoths. Chaos vs Bretonnia: Front line of Forsaken and chaos spawn, the rest are halberd units.

    • @AzraelJiraco
      @AzraelJiraco Před 7 lety +3

      Thanks for this. I'm trying to learn Total War and Chaos. May I ask what the benefit of a side charge is over a rear charge for chariots?

    • @cebuanoguy
      @cebuanoguy Před 7 lety +4

      Well for one, Chariots are not like calvary. If you charge an enemy unit from the rear, you will also hit your own units that are engaged on that enemy unit, because the chariot will go through both units. The front line of enemy units are almost always in a perfect straight line, this is true for the dwarfs. For example, my front line of 5 chaos warriors will engage, lets say 5 units of Longbeards. For my chariot, I would pick either the left side or right side, and charge the unit that is on the edge of that line and my chariot would trample 2-3 units. Normal calvary won't be able to do this except some cav units in Bretonnia.

    • @cebuanoguy
      @cebuanoguy Před 7 lety +16

      What I sometimes do is stretch my units into a wide formation and make it look like I'm going to encircle him. What most people do is they also stretch their formation to match mines. When they do this, before my frontline charges in, I charge my chariots straight on and go for the skirmishers or artillery. When you stretch a unit, it makes 2-3 lines deep and chariots can just go through them like butter and go straight ahead into the back lines.

    • @Archaon12
      @Archaon12 Před 7 lety +9

      Archaon approves!

    • @00yiggdrasill00
      @00yiggdrasill00 Před 7 lety +2

      I have to disagree with the "no dwarf counter to gorebeasts" thunderers with a few ranks (or tech in campaign) can ruin them before the even reach the lines and leaves it easy for the slayers. those guns can turn any flanking attack into a mess. hell, you may be better slamming then into the front line over getting shot at.

  • @Ignozi
    @Ignozi Před 5 lety +123

    Not gonna lie I first read the video title as "Chads army guide".

    • @user-xv7pt7gg4e
      @user-xv7pt7gg4e Před 5 lety +42

      Virgin Sigmar vs Chad Archaon

    • @David-ni5hj
      @David-ni5hj Před 4 lety +12

      Ignozi well they are indeed an army of Chads. Big, heavy on testosterone, Roid raging, hella aggressive, muscular Chads

    • @victuz
      @victuz Před 4 lety +9

      Virgin Archaon vs Chad Grimgor

    • @RafaelElectronic
      @RafaelElectronic Před 4 lety +1

      Equally accurate

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 4 lety +4

      @@victuz virgin grimgor vs chad end times archaon

  • @onchristieroad
    @onchristieroad Před 7 lety +24

    Have you had a go with the Ultimate Chaos mod? It's quite a marvel of effort.

  • @BSeitenGaming
    @BSeitenGaming Před 6 lety +1

    Your guides are the best I found here on youtube! Thanks a lot mate, I don't play online MP but it's very helpfull for my campaigns too.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 6 lety

      Appreciate that man. Glad you can find use for my works!

  • @briancline7349
    @briancline7349 Před 5 lety +1

    One tip if you want your units to all move as a group but have them move at their own speed, not at the speed of the slowest unit, is to select them all and move them by hold ALT and dragging them, instead of just right clicking.

  • @bortoo6634
    @bortoo6634 Před 7 lety +20

    Well, Ive mande some tests on chosen halberds and i've Found out that they can take on (with about half health) any other unit, infantry, cav or Monster in an one on one (except chosen GW and Black orcs). Did not test them against lords and heroes thoug...
    Another thing to remember is that archeon has an item that gives imune to psicology to everyone in a 40m radius, so there's that.

  • @soulsamurai-qc2yo
    @soulsamurai-qc2yo Před 6 lety +2

    you channel is exactly what i was looking for. thanks!

  • @camsmith3123
    @camsmith3123 Před 4 lety +24

    Please tell me you are doing do this for the factions of total war warhammer 3. Especially chaos when it comes out

    • @danielzarkos
      @danielzarkos Před 4 lety +2

      I hope he does!

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 3 lety

      Most likely since he even does guides for even the dlc factions in warhammer 2, even add on dlcs

  • @DRaven-of2lv
    @DRaven-of2lv Před 4 lety +2

    Had a blastwecking the board on Legendary as Chaos. Really hard starting out, I had to sack easy targets and slip away before I got caught by stronger armies. Great snowball game, and as a WHFB veteran it just felt right.

  • @Waarghh100
    @Waarghh100 Před 2 lety +2

    I play none of the Total War games, but I found this video interesting. Really fun to watch this video and pass the time, thank you!!

  • @daikoncash
    @daikoncash Před 5 lety +78

    THE VIRGIN EMPIRE VS THE CHAOS CHADS

  • @lordsunshine4793
    @lordsunshine4793 Před 7 lety +19

    I HAVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS VIDEO! HUZZAH!! HUZZAH!! FOR THE CHAOS LORDS

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +10

      Huzzaaaaah!

    • @lordsunshine4793
      @lordsunshine4793 Před 7 lety +6

      Zerkovich CZcamsrs that respond are the best kind. The dark god's be praised for your excellent content and community interaction.

  • @evanhaskel206
    @evanhaskel206 Před 3 lety +1

    Chaos and the undead are (from what I’ve seen) the two factions that depend the most on their leader being around. As another pointed out, Chaos fighters see their lord as the chosen one, so if he’s knocked out, they’ve lost the favor of the gods. In the meantime, undead lords are the glue that holds their armies together. So a good approach to these two is target their lord (very easy for some heroes) and then just hold on until they falter.

  • @xClintBeastwood
    @xClintBeastwood Před 6 lety +2

    Nothing is more badass that watching your entire army rout and having Kholeck kill everything haha

  • @teamjawbox
    @teamjawbox Před 5 lety

    I only recently stumbled across your TW: W guides on YT, and just want to say thanks for making these!

  • @Nemmy72
    @Nemmy72 Před 4 lety +6

    "Expensive"
    *Laughs in Custom Games

  • @gts2550
    @gts2550 Před 7 lety +1

    Awesome videos, you have my sub!
    The Chaos mass route mention made me remember back when I geniusly decided to field a frontline of armored trolls... Shortly after engaging, one of trolls routed, causing others to start to chain-rout as well which proliferated into the entire army and then Archaon routed with almost full hp lol.
    Maybe trolls are one of the reasons for the mass routing issue even though the frontliners have such high leadership, come to think of it.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Thank you good Sir.
      Hahah, yeah Trolls aren't the most relaible. It happens to high leadership Chaos Warriors too, so it seems to be a faction wide problem.

  • @MrLizard1984
    @MrLizard1984 Před 7 lety

    Great guide mate. The camera work at the beginning was some of your best!

  • @Walshy1Jojo
    @Walshy1Jojo Před 6 lety +3

    That end battle: "THE TIDE OF CHAOS STRETCHES EVEN FURTHER!" (Warhammer: Mark of Chaos).

  • @Soulequilibrium
    @Soulequilibrium Před 7 lety +1

    I know, I'm late to the party a lot nowadays but good job on the guide Zerk. It's quite clear you've vastly refined the process since you first starting making them. Don't know if you have done this but maybe you should try it out. Watch your first guide again and then watch this one or the Greenskin one you are making. See the difference.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +2

      Thanks Soulman. Yeah, I do keep tabs on how far I progress. In fact, if you want a laugh, watch my Rome 2 Spears Guide... one of my oldest CZcams videos. I watched it the other day. Most boring man ever xD
      I'll be doing the Greenskins Guide similar to this one, but from Norsca and WH2 onwards, I'm gonna be upping my game further.

  • @TobasscoJelly
    @TobasscoJelly Před 7 lety

    best videos on youtube for warhammer total war hands down. Keep up gr8 work buddy.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Always the greatest compliment. Thank you Brother.

  • @seermayton-el3488
    @seermayton-el3488 Před 4 lety +2

    *Grimgor puts on steel toed boots*
    *Archaon sweats nervously*

    • @muslimchip5380
      @muslimchip5380 Před 3 lety

      I went to look up lore and I am sad thats canon

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 3 lety +1

      @@muslimchip5380 technically it's not canon anymore, though he did just headbutt him so hard it broke the eye of sheerian

  • @Char1iBr0wn
    @Char1iBr0wn Před 7 lety +61

    It's just "Chaos"

    • @patrickouellette84
      @patrickouellette84 Před 6 lety +8

      RIGHT?!?!?

    • @victuz
      @victuz Před 4 lety

      Actually it would be Warriors of Chaos because it's mostly composed by humans.
      Next game it will be Daemons of Chaos

    • @paulloveslamp
      @paulloveslamp Před 4 lety

      I came here to say exactly this! These guides are excellent but it’s not ‘the chaos’ hahah

    • @PeterTeal77
      @PeterTeal77 Před 4 lety

      He must live in california and drive "the 405 to the 101"

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 3 lety

      @@victuz well even though it would have been a no brainer to figure out daemons would be in the 3rd game, it's true they will be in

  • @MagicHjalti
    @MagicHjalti Před 7 lety +3

    Where there's a whip, there's a way!: chaos army

  • @Dreez76
    @Dreez76 Před 2 lety

    1) Chaos Hellcannons are literally hell to deal with unless you have really fast units flanking them. Extrem damage +long range.
    2) Chaos hellknights cavalry ... they keep coming and if they hit your flanks, they do a ton of damage - guard your flanks or die.
    3) Dragon Ogres - don't let them get a foothold in your army or your leadership will vanish like butter in a hot pan.
    On a sidenote. I ran Grimgor into an army of chaos, killed Archaeon and pretty much the whole chaos armor routed.

  • @peterbc6129
    @peterbc6129 Před 3 lety

    In previous Total War games, Leadership penalties from routing units were based on the cost/eliteness of the unit. So when elite knights retreated, you could have a chain rout, while having 3 militia run did nothing. Could be because Chaos is such an elite faction, they cause a knock on effect.

  • @00yiggdrasill00
    @00yiggdrasill00 Před 7 lety +2

    thanks for reminding me they are a really balanced army for the most part. ive started my first real chaos campaign recently and ive been sitting there saying "what the hell does all this stuff do?!" alos a nice point on the knights being melee cav, I had overlooked that and was wondering why I would take cav with such low charge compared to the gorebeast chariots....yeah, I had one big mental blank on all the stuff I had learnt as brettonia, the empire and everyone else.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Yeee gotta look at all the details. Some are easy to miss!

  • @fnln2342
    @fnln2342 Před 7 lety

    your videos are getting better and better with time :D

  • @kalebarnold5173
    @kalebarnold5173 Před 7 lety +2

    Great video as always!
    All I can say is that I will be mighty happy when the Norsca factions can have actual armies instead of twenty units of skirmisher cav.
    Will you do a patch video for the upcoming Norsca update to cover everything that changes and is added?

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Hahaha, that's definitely true.
      We'll see how much of a difference it brings.

  • @ocandro
    @ocandro Před 7 lety +1

    Hello there, Zerkovich, I do love your channel and I'm massively greatful for the chaos guide , but I do have to admit the ones you did for wood elves and bretonnia were much better, you could actually see all the units in the formation, feel their vibe and learn how they look, so you could differentiate them on a battlefield, which was such a nice touch, though understandably more time-consuming. I am very greatful nonetheless.
    I also have an idea for a guide-type video - different kinds of hero mounts for all factions and their uses. I don't think anybody has covered that so far. BTW you forgot to put the chaos dragon in a video.
    Cheers and keep on being awesome!

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +1

      Thanks man! Glad you enjoy my works **fist bump**
      I decided to leave out the close ups because I don't want to put all the focus on how the unit looks. You can look at the unit models yourself in your game if you want to, you don't need me for that. I try to get more focus on the stats and unit role this way. While still keeping a small version of the close up for at least something to look at while I babble on. It's actually more time consuming to do it this way has I have to get the close up footage still, and the selection screen. Haha. But I think it's more tidy and effective.
      Thanks for the idea man! I shall note it down, am always looking for ideas.

    • @ocandro
      @ocandro Před 7 lety

      wow, thank you so much for answering, especially for reading my long ass comment! Well, now I have to admit that I was mostly seeking for a fake reason to justify close-ups, but they mostly just looked cool hahah. Anyway, being a lazy fucker, I am stunned by both quality and quantity of your channel. BTW, we call a fist bump "żółwik" in Polish, which is a diminutive for "turtle" *random fact*
      p

  • @ricepatty6743
    @ricepatty6743 Před 5 lety +3

    Shadow Death Metal Fire.. dam.. would make a pretty nice name for a Rock Band

    • @FrankCastle-tq9bz
      @FrankCastle-tq9bz Před 4 lety

      And thanks to Kholek and the dragon ogre shaggoths they have some command of lightning magics as well.

  • @ascerteshallow9277
    @ascerteshallow9277 Před 7 lety

    For Sarthorael, I find him best poised against armies with a lot of armor. Chaos especially is very vulnerable to Sarthorael given their lack of ranged options to take him down at a distance. Even though he is primarily a caster, he can hold his own in melee and get away from most enemy infantry due to his high (but not cav-level) speed. With his low armor however, beware high number units with non-armor piercing. Charge him in and pull him back; use him like a shock cav to assist your frontline, but don't use him for flanking because his speed, again, is not THAT high. Remember he also causes terror, so against units with low morale, they won't be able last long against him.
    He is also a large target, so enemies with a lot of ranged (I'm looking at you, Wood elves!) are going to give him a hard time, even with his incredible missile resistance. Fighting Chaos or the Dwarfs are the only times I consider bringing him, as against anyone else some of his spells lose a good deal of their potency, and their units are often very slow, making it easier for him to get away should he be focused by enemy melee.

  • @ethanshin2598
    @ethanshin2598 Před 7 lety

    Sarthorael is a magic damage Varghulf with so much missile resistance he's basically invulnerable to them and double the mass. Use him like you would a Chariot except instead of dealing damage, he just flings units around. He can knock over units such as Trolls or Crypt Horrors (though don't bring Chaos against the latter) easily, but gets knocked over by cannonballs himself. His high mass and large body makes him susceptible to aerial ganks, so it's advisable to bring a couple of exalted heroes on steeds to support him. I'd be careful taking him against the empire because of a Net-Hero/Lord snipe build which will basically vaporize him regardless of scroll use, and I'd be careful taking him against Bretonnia since all of their anti-large cavalry will deep fry him and prevent him from pulling through lines effectively.
    TLDR: Chicken Chariot with magic damage, weak to hero builds or high mass anti large, good for spreading terror

  • @MadMalkavian
    @MadMalkavian Před 6 lety +1

    Avesome video Zerkovich!
    Do you accept requests for builds?
    Cause I have this crazy idea for fun build-all cavalry, lots of magic.
    The core would be Swords of Chaos for their speed and charge bonus and mounted spellcaster with Lore of Shadows for it +6% to speed. You could also throw another spellcaster maybe with Lore of Death with Life Leech.
    I don't know witch build would be most decent (elite,cheap or mixed) but you could fill the gaps with poison Warhaund and maybe chariots.
    I know it would be veeery micro demanding build but I guess you could solve it with some prepared hotkeys for each formation.
    Also the forest terrain would work greatly to your favor even to the point of hiding all of your army in it and thus forcing enemy army to seek for you leaving less units in the place you want to strike giving you local superiority.
    Buffs and debuffs would give you the same advantage and you could drop some vortex spells (even the wandering ones) to disrupt enemy lines and create ad hoc obstacles on your flanks or rear when pulling out of fight.
    It would be great if you could test this against human oponent.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 6 lety

      Thanks man. Hmmm it could be an interesting idea to try Sub builds in online battles. Thanks for the build son!

    • @MadMalkavian
      @MadMalkavian Před 6 lety

      I also realized two more things that might be helpful:
      1)Big units like cavalry can not be tossed by vortex spells...so in theory you could charge right through it or cast it on one or both sides of your formation so you can not be pinned down in place
      2) You can stack your units one onto another and if you put them into a narrow formation it gives you a lot more "piercing" strength to go right through enemy lines
      I hope to see a video of this build...in the future ;)

  • @Folkeregor
    @Folkeregor Před 3 lety

    Because of the font of the thumbnail I thought this video would be about "CHADS". I was not disappointed.

  • @colmhain
    @colmhain Před 6 lety +1

    I like to run Kolek as soon as possible with a stack of 12 dragon ogres and 7 other shoggoths. No complicated tactics, no finesse. Just charge'm in with the ogres in front to soak up missile damage, and fight unit to unit as appropriately as possible. Then, just watch the carnage as a spectator.....Un-stoppable in campaign.

  • @boyar1978
    @boyar1978 Před 3 lety

    i like having a legion with 4 hell cannons, 4 chaos chariots, 4 marauder masters 4 chaos warriors, and 2 great weapons/ halberds plus the lord and a hero. I usually place the missile cavalry in the front so that they can whittle down the enemy as they move to the first line of infantry. After that unit routs, they have another line of infantry. The chaos chariots are on the flank so that enemy cavalry cant hit my hell cannons who are in the back pounded the enemy as they advance. My lord is always next to the hell cannons just in case the enemy is able to breakthrough. I have found this tactic works in 90% of the battles I fight.

  • @daswordofgork9823
    @daswordofgork9823 Před 4 lety

    All you need to use is the basic infantry: The Warriors of Chaos: 2+ armor save foot soldiers who are stronger and faster than the Adeptus Astartes from Warhammer 40k (just look at their stats in the codex) and they are immune to cannons, guns, magic, and giant monsters.

  • @burricat9615
    @burricat9615 Před 4 lety +1

    A really great guide, can you make a guide about some factions with mods. Like Ultimate Chaos mod, it has great units added dedicated to each of the Gods

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 4 lety

      That would be a challenge, have you seen how many units the WoC have with that mod? He would probably have to split up the video to 5 different parts, one about the changes to vanilla units and how to implement them now and 1 video for each chaos god focused units one for khorne, tzeentch, nurgle and slaanesh

  • @SusaVile
    @SusaVile Před 4 lety

    Would you be willing to do an updated version for this? Or even perhaps, a campaign "typical army composition" for each faction? That alone will give you quite some videos, like, you can even do different armies per leader

  • @Fledermausmann
    @Fledermausmann Před 6 lety +4

    Hey mate... Will ya be doing a guide for TW:Warhammer 2 as well? Be interested to hear your thoughts on the new units esp the Skaven!

  • @diedullahan7904
    @diedullahan7904 Před 7 lety

    Came right during my Chaos campaign. Tzeentch smileth upon me! :}

  • @GrundwoodGZ
    @GrundwoodGZ Před 7 lety +11

    The dwarfen Peakgateguard beats chosen with great weapons :D
    (they are a bit more expensive though)

    • @QuestionableObject
      @QuestionableObject Před 7 lety +16

      They're also a regiment of renown.
      When Chaos gets their own Regiments they'll probably have a more powerful (and expensive) Chosen squad.

    • @GrundwoodGZ
      @GrundwoodGZ Před 7 lety

      That´s likely to happen but until then the Dwarfs are da best! :D

    • @nicholasbarnes753
      @nicholasbarnes753 Před 7 lety +1

      A regiment of renown that cots 200 more then Chosen with GW, not really fair.

    • @Koeras16
      @Koeras16 Před 7 lety +3

      A chosen (Great Weapons) Rank +3 for 1595 wins against the Peakgateguard with around 19 unit models left.

    • @Koeras16
      @Koeras16 Před 7 lety +11

      So well no the Dwarven Peakgateguard does not beat a chosen with great weapons if the same amount of funds are used.

  • @chunchunmaru123
    @chunchunmaru123 Před 7 lety +1

    Just can't wait for total war 3 where they hopefully flush the chaos gods out so have if you choose korne you get blood letters. And every other gods specific units.

  • @SocalDunedain
    @SocalDunedain Před 7 lety

    Great guide. Hope to see some Norsca in the near fewcha!

  • @Zamuroq
    @Zamuroq Před 4 lety

    Im so glad that the routing problem was fixed in Warhammer total war 2

  • @borntodie297
    @borntodie297 Před 6 lety

    chaos hounds have another, highly underrated use.
    chasing down and omnomnoming any and all fleeing units.
    they are the fastest unit chaos has, and these cheap bastards saved me a lot of returning units so far.
    After all, regardless of if you are a lowly peasant or a highly trained knight, if these guys jump on your back you will be dogfood.

  • @sedghammer
    @sedghammer Před 7 lety

    Here's how you're meant to play Chaos : Your first general is your recruitment general. Spec him for growth and recruitment abilities and when you recruit a 2nd army you need to "frag" your army much like propagating coral (demonic coral). Give a bunch of your highest tier units to your new general and send him sacking. Recruit new units in your primary army to make up for the frag. You should be in the red in income but it doesn't matter because you've now got 2 powerful armies. Get back up to 40k in the warchest and frag your primary army again. Repeat ad nauseum.

  • @dlugi4198
    @dlugi4198 Před 5 lety +4

    Once I managed to take about 8 chaos armies with no rest with dwarf helicopter army only. It was fun af.

  • @Keijii1
    @Keijii1 Před 6 lety +1

    In a lot of those videos you often mention the mass of certain units. Which allow them to move through crowds with ease. Is that actually seen stat-wise? Is there like a 'passive' to see that, or is the game only taking account of a unit actual size to decide how easy it is to move through crowds? Just asking so I can better understand the game and which unit can actually go in and out with relative ease

    • @mevolander8478
      @mevolander8478 Před 5 lety +1

      Teeeeeensy bit late, but i think that refers to charge bonus. There is no "mass stat", i think he just means that the unit is large and has a very high charge bonus, allowing it to plow into infantry with frightening efficiency. Charge bonus is listed in stats.

  • @taylorgreniger5961
    @taylorgreniger5961 Před 7 lety +15

    Ah one of the more interesting armies that I would play more if not for its craptastic campaign.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +11

      What's wrong with the Campaign? I'm enjoying! Nothing like ruining everyone's life.

    • @peabutterspecial2362
      @peabutterspecial2362 Před 7 lety +11

      It is definitely not horrible. It has issues (namely the tedium of horde attrition, and the unexplained removal of corruption from Chaos Ruins), but you can still have a good time, and the Workshop always has a few mods to help you out.

    • @GaldirEonai
      @GaldirEonai Před 7 lety +2

      It's a bit repetitive. Raid, Raze, Rinse, Repeat.

    • @Kornelius707
      @Kornelius707 Před 7 lety +4

      The campaign is horrible. It's the least liked campaign at the least.

    • @nicholasbarnes753
      @nicholasbarnes753 Před 7 lety +2

      The Chaos campaign just got a bunch of changes, that along with new Norsca makes playing Chaos fun now.

  • @sutekofthecultofknowledge8931

    I can never take The ever chosen seriously he was the guy who didn’t hear a nearly a ton weighing Ork come up right behind him and just put his Orky boot right into his crotch. Chaos does not truly reign but Grimgor does. Green iz bezt.

  • @l3k064
    @l3k064 Před 3 lety

    I looked for this video for their weakness as I'm in about round 250 with the crooked moon and currently friendly towards the carsteins and fighting the redhorns (i let these children play somewhere else), warriors of chaos (i basically slowly scrap away with 2 armies while rebuilding my settlements with 11.304 coins per round) and currently focussing on the norsca which i mostly ignored as i focused the wintertooths more.
    All in all i kinda thought i'd need to crush them at the end.

  • @spacewolfblackmane19
    @spacewolfblackmane19 Před 7 lety

    Personally I like to bring one unit of chosen regular or great weapon with my armies in multiplayer just got to love that anchor, but in all honesty the SoF version of them is superior in every way and actually makes them deserving of their price tag.

  • @lith7ium993
    @lith7ium993 Před 7 lety

    Great guide, thanks a lot!

  • @zero5496
    @zero5496 Před 4 lety

    chosen are powerful but impractical in most situations if field extensively not just the pricetag, it’s the speed and they only have 80 in the unit making the likely being out numbered army into more being outnumbered if field them extensively, if that’s possible in the first place, so usually I just grab two unit for some nice wrecking ball tactics but more than two units I find it to be a waste of resource and slot

  • @azagorod8479
    @azagorod8479 Před 2 lety

    Ah yes, the Chaos Undivided Factions are one of my favorites!

  • @danbuter
    @danbuter Před 5 lety +3

    They should have at least included basic demon units for each chaos god.

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 Před 4 lety +2

      Unfortunately the WoC are still about as unupdated as the beastmen and wood elves

  • @KachiAT
    @KachiAT Před 7 lety +6

    I disagree about marauders being "only"meatshield. They can perform spledindly, and beat if shevroned other high dps infantry, like battle pilgrims(around same cost). GW marauders are poor choice of AP, but if there is nothing scarier than foor squares"and foot squares are not that scare, especially if you let them charge something irrelevant), they do can get on top.
    Now, the thing with marauders is that they're suspectible to arrow fire and somewhat to terror bombs. You can't use them against vampires because while they perform great against almost everything non-monster like, they also suffer immensive damage and huge debuffs of morale due to that.
    25% missile resistance is nice, but if they have a good fire line you might lose up to squad every other valley, so that's a problem too. And most enemies of chaos will abuse lack of range options for chaos, so there's that.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +1

      Yeah I suppose that's true. But then a lot of lesser units can become strong if you pour money into them. If you're gonna spend 600 on Marauders, you could get some Champions instead, or even spend a bit more and get Forsaken or Chaos Warriors. Marauders could be a good call in certain situations though.

    • @FrankCastle-tq9bz
      @FrankCastle-tq9bz Před 4 lety

      I find that vampires are annoying to deal with as Chaos as well - the fact that they can keep casting invocation spells and raising skeleton troops to hit you in the back is frustrating, but if you bring some missile cavalry to deal with the flyers and dragon ogre shaggoths to hit the vampire flanks while allowing your exalted heroes (which should have plenty of XP by this point in the campaign - probably enough for mounts like mantacore) go "hero hunting" (thus silencing those damn casters) you could all but guarantee victory over most vampire forces.

  • @Guaguadeath
    @Guaguadeath Před 7 lety +1

    The one dislike was sacrificed to the dark gods

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver Před 6 lety

    They don't include the three lores of Chaos (because Khorne doesn't believe in spells). The three lores can replace the lores that Chaos doesn't use like Light and Life.

  • @bfbshjwhdhdbabs6521
    @bfbshjwhdhdbabs6521 Před 7 lety

    You deserve much more subscribers

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety +1

      Thank you man. I'm on the grow!

  • @dimitrismar7348
    @dimitrismar7348 Před 6 lety +3

    FOR THE DARK GODS

  • @nightlock826
    @nightlock826 Před 4 lety

    Mass route: so I was winning a battle when my hounds routed because some Calvary got them in the behind while they were artillery hunting. And my entire fucking army routed resulting in a pyrich victory. So yes routing does hurt them

  • @L2Xenta
    @L2Xenta Před 4 lety

    Damn son... I was looking at the Thumbnail of the Video, and I was like : Army guide for CHADS ... hmm must check this out.
    So I guess these are the CHADS ... well they are pretty bad ass I guess, specially if they get some new content, I guess in WH3.

  • @goat369
    @goat369 Před 7 lety

    Sarthoreal is more of an harasser good at going in back lines of an army and jumping in and out also has great missile resistance and has great spells for buffing and debuffing he is good at resisting missiles but he'll only last for so long in Melee so be careful with him

  • @valendrien6517
    @valendrien6517 Před 7 lety

    I understand why the Warriors of Chaos were made a horde faction, but I really wish they weren't. I just personally can't stand playing as hordes, but I like the aesthetics of the Warriors of Chaos so much. If they weren't a horde faction in campaign they probably would've been my favorite faction. Nevertheless, excellent guide Zerk. This definitely helped me understand this faction far better now. Thanks!.....and yeah let's hope the end times don't come.... >.>

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      I think it just takes some getting used to. It's difficult for sure, and very different. But thoroughly enjoyable once you become tough enough. Like any faction really. I didn't like it at first but am loving my Chaos Campaign now!

  • @MarianoGianni1
    @MarianoGianni1 Před 6 lety

    One funny thing about regular chosen is that they can EASILY beat Empire great swordmen, even though they are armor piercing and anti infantry.

  • @Piskosz9999
    @Piskosz9999 Před 7 lety

    Good work mate.

  • @Titan360
    @Titan360 Před 7 lety

    Maybe the increased "friends routing"/"lord died" issues might be lore based? Think about it, Chaos warriors might be quarrelsome and vying for the chaos gods favor, but the leader's authority and cruelty might be the only thing really keeping these guys together.
    If the lord is still alive, but the horde is starting to rout anyway, this is kind of an act of defiance of the chaos lord himself. The fear of the Chaos Lord's reprisal is supposed to be foundation for all loyalty in a Chaos horde, so even if you're being killed by the enemy, its supposed to at least be a much, much kinder fate than what the general would do to make an example of you. They might have a high leadership to PREVENT them from wavering and routing, but once it starts, long-time dissenters who have been afraid to voice their opinions or even contemplate deserting the horde are now struck by the fact they didn't have the BALLS to, well.....be the first ones to run away like a bunch of sissy cowards.
    The fact that everybody KNOWS a chaos storm crumbles like one of those packaged cookies from QuickTrip kind of becomes its own self-fulfilling prophecy because everybody starts expecting it to happen and thinking that they better get while the getting's good....

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Yeah I did wonder if maybe there was a Lore reason but don't know enough. Interesting idea. Just be nice if we had a measurable stat to know. -3 seems to be the typical 'friends routing' penalty. For Chaos and others.

  • @brunoc.6471
    @brunoc.6471 Před rokem

    every chariot in the game should work like kool aid sun eater

  • @jeffery9521
    @jeffery9521 Před 6 lety

    Warriors of Chaos
    -Balanced
    Nice

  • @iisramen
    @iisramen Před 5 lety

    There is a reason for chaos routing the way they do. Its in the lore.

  • @thijs541
    @thijs541 Před 3 lety

    Im really late to this Iknow but what is the exact army composition you use?

  • @denizaslan1102
    @denizaslan1102 Před 7 lety +1

    I have a question. How the hell Do you control artillery

  • @cleftboywonder
    @cleftboywonder Před 2 lety

    You're the man

  • @serlistogiette4168
    @serlistogiette4168 Před 3 lety

    Does this apply to today's chaos? I am doing playthroughs of 1 before 2 and I am doing chaos rn

  • @joermundgand
    @joermundgand Před 6 lety

    Cannae tactics of Hannibal works with Chaos.

  • @Discoteer
    @Discoteer Před 7 lety

    Order is for the dull, the genius embraces chaos

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      Or dies horribly due to a lack of coordination and order. D:

  • @40kchannelinquisitor78
    @40kchannelinquisitor78 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video, as a chaos player this is very helpful and though I never thought of Chaos as a balanced faction, I guess you can think of it that way. I appreciate you may not be a WH fantasy fan, but please don’t say “the Chaos”, it is very triggering

    • @Jayce_Alexander
      @Jayce_Alexander Před 4 lety

      The Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos the Chaos.
      :)

  • @Alaric11
    @Alaric11 Před 4 lety

    I know this is an old video but I don't have this game. Where is Valkia and Scylla?

  • @lafamiliamax3721
    @lafamiliamax3721 Před 7 lety

    Good job !

  • @OneManMilitia69
    @OneManMilitia69 Před 7 lety

    Great Video!!!

  • @chuggusbungoballs1589
    @chuggusbungoballs1589 Před 7 lety

    Dumb question but how did you do that charge where the cavalry moved along a curved route?

  • @compleatmass8199
    @compleatmass8199 Před 3 lety

    I have the chaos dlc but I can't recruit aspiring champions they don't show up.

  • @flaviomonteiro1414
    @flaviomonteiro1414 Před 6 lety

    You sound like a nice guy... Glad I have subscribed

  • @worldeater89
    @worldeater89 Před 7 lety

    great vid thanks

  • @PrincessExy09
    @PrincessExy09 Před 2 lety

    I keep failing my chaos campaign. It’s infuriating. Thanks for the tips

  • @7Deer7
    @7Deer7 Před 6 lety

    how did you get units viewed in the screen in the middle like that?

  • @ArchAngelThomas
    @ArchAngelThomas Před 7 lety

    Really looking forward to the greenskin army guide! They're my 2nd favorite race.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  Před 7 lety

      I look forward to making it! :D

  • @jayfarrell932
    @jayfarrell932 Před 7 lety

    Hellcanon definitely does not have terrible accuracy. I think it seems like it does as a result of only having one piece per unit, so each miss just hurts more.

  • @kevfullo
    @kevfullo Před 2 lety

    I read the title as CHADS