Laying a Natural Stone Patio - DIY - PART 1
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2016
- Here is a look at the installation of our natural limestone patio. Part two is on the way with a bit more detail.
The product is Vintage Limestone by Stonemarket and we laid everything on a full mortar bed with an SBR slurry under each flag.
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Little tip if you do it again. Set a strung line up to get your line AND level, saves you reaching for the tape all the time. Nice cutting around the posts 👍🏼
I really like The Restoration Couple videos. They show how to do the job, but also the process as it really is, which is that it doesn't always go perfectly, it's hard work, and they show the human side such as the joy you feel when you complete parts of the job. They are informative and good for my morale as I don't feel like a complete incompetent. Thanks.
Looks great! I really enjoyed laying our new patio last year but it was harder work than originally anticipated. Well done!
The extra effort really shows in your work!
Great view from your patio - hope it’s protected as houses are being built everywhere now.
Wait wait wait, I can finish the corner cuts with my old rusty hand saw. Awesome!
Love watching your videos . Very well explained , keep up the good work.👍
Great looking job, the extra care you take really pays off :)
Ha Ha the dog waiting for you to throw the ball, exactly like my dog whenever I'm trying to do a job :) great job well done, very satisfying to see your own results isn't it!
Awesome job! Can't wait to watch part 2!
I do like the small details you cover nice job
You amazing i like your great attitude to finish all your self well you wonderful family help you a lot. Good job. God Bless you all.
Looks fantastic, great job
There are some paving landscapers who advise against a long run of gaps when laying pavers, and one should break up the long gap line where possible, but I’m not sure whether this is actually important. But I suppose in a paver pattern such as the one laid it will be a mental nightmare in attempting to break the long gap lines with all the different paver sizes. Your patio looks amazing.
Great job, thanks for posting.
Wow, I love these type of videos
Lovely solid job,
Enjoy it.
Perfectionist at work!
Awesome video! And great overall job.
Thanks,
Brilliant job! 👍
Did you lay this all down in one day? Incredible job, really motivated me to consider getting our garden in order!
Great work brother 👍🌴
Great effort!
Good job, you've got more patience then me dry bonding all that :o
Natural stones never easy to lay in my experience!
Just a little tip, its good practise to lay these on a weaker mix 6-1 or 8-1 with a splash of plasticiser.
Too stronger mix can lead to cracking of bed and popping of slabs.
Hope you find this helpful for next time :)
Amateur Vegan with natural stone slabs I’ve read that a mortar bed can stain the top of the Stone Slabs after 5 month of laying, as the stone is porous. The article said you need to put a primer on the bottom of the stone slab to stop the absorption.
Have you ever had this problem when you did yours? I am about to lay one next week and have never done it before so any advice would be great, also why don’t people just lay onto sharp sand?
Lovely!!
well done m8 hard work on your own having to mix maul slabs and lay great job
Hi thanks for sharing, your videos helped me a lot in my own project. How is the rain water drained from this area? Is there a gap between the sleepers and the slabs.
Great video. Really helpful. Thank you.What did you daub on the slabs underside before laying?
Great job what sand cement ratio did you use?
Gorgeous work. Love the natural limestone slabs. Well done. :-)
Thanks, we love them!
Great job! Been following you vids for a while. Can I ask, why you didn't use a dry mix as a bed to lay the paving on? Thanks.
Those 2 straight lines could do with breaking up abit...
If I was using a 2" thick stone, how many inches deep would i need to lay the mortar and stone
great job
What a quite life!
Good job, nice design and really thorough - Im always pleasantly surprised when people really take the time and the effort; that patio will probably be there 30+ years so spending a few extra hours is nothing really.
Thank you. That's what I try and tell myself, I do tend to over engineer but rather that way than have something fail a year later!
I've now cleared the old paving from my garden,the back of the garden is soil on a higher level.So if I clear all that and get s slight run off what do I then put down?
I cannot belive you set it all out dry to move it and then move it again
Looks great, I do think you could of broke up the pointing line because it goes the full length of the patio.
Unpointed ? Good work , nice to see a good grafter!
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Do you have any advice for how to judge the amount of mortar to put down each time? I’m currently lying my patio and it’s taking ages to lay each slab because they will barely hammer down.
Excellent stuff. Just found your channel online and I think its great.
How do you make the slurry ? I.e whats the mix and ratio
Thanks a lot
Yes, laying a patio a can follow.....OMG 12:11 is that a socks and sandals combination?
Nice job seen various jobs theres no reason you cant lay on dry sand cement bed is there ? Thanks
Good man, looks great. What’s in the slurry mix for wetting the underside of the slabs please?
50:50 sbr to water thickened with cement. 👍
a laser level is a mans best friend! good work though!
It's on the wish list and would have helped alot! :-)
Your babies are the stars so cute
Just Want to ask, what you feel about dry laid paver?
Nice job! One small thing.... I would personally not choose to urinate on the cut stones, I do not think that helps much.
Huh
I’ve been doing my house up for 3 years insides done now and I’m on outside. Your videos have helped motivate me throughout the whole process thank you. ( im a bricky by the way I was impressed with your pizza oven I know qualified Brickies earning good money on site that could not do as good a job.
Hey
Did mixed cement and sand for the base you layed on the ground and or so what did you rub on the back of the stone before layed them on the base. Thanks
victory joe it’s just some cement powder and water I think..
I will be laying bog standard grey slabs to site a green house. Will I need to use the slurry method on the underside of the slab or can I just brush on water? If I do need to use slurry what is the consistency of the slurry?
Good job :-)
Great job. What's the liquid you're brushing on to the back of the slabs? Thanks.
David Hughes im guessing water so the slabs dnt absorb the moisture from.the muck and dry it out
Yes I tried it on the same slabs and it works a treat. I needed to remove a slab a few weeks later and with a few taps I managed to break the bond without breaking the slab
Its an SBR slurry mix
Hi great job. I brought natural stone slabs from a well known diy store but no matter what I do I can't get the lines to match. Some are thin some are thick due to the off sizes off the slabs. I am being told i have done it right as alot of the time the sizes differ with natural stone but yours look perfect and mine just looks like I ain't done it right!
It all depends on if they are calibrated or not, you can tell by checking to see if they have grooves in the back where they are thicknessed. It should not be a problem as on a full mortar bed they all end up level anyway by tapping to levels.
He means the joint sizes, not the thickness of the slabs 😁
How do you calculate the quantities of sand/mortar required for that given area?
There are a few online calculators to help with that. Off hand I can't remember I'm afraid!
Is their a previous video on digging out the sub base for the patio?
Yes might be on the path video. Check the playlist I think it should all be in there.
Was there no blinding sand? Just MOT type 1, compacted, mortar bed, slurry, slab?
No blinding for laying slabs on full mortar bed. Just compacted type 1. You can correct levels slightly with the mortar bed stage.
Did you make your slurry mix or did you buy it? Keep up the good work 🙌🏼
Is this one or two pallets ? Thanks
I’ve been laying natural stone slabs at work and been applying an SBR agent to the concrete base and even on the back of the slab prior to laying but noticed when cured a couple of slabs rock and are loose....I’m tearing my hair out as to why? Any tips on what’s going wrong? The mortar is quite wet as well to compensate the natural dryness of the stone
Are you using sharp sand?It's a must for laying flags.
If your doing what this guy does then thatl be why. Walking on the slabs when they are just put down is the reason they come off the bond especially standing on the corners
10:40 Thats a novel way of cleaning off flags.
What coverage would you say your SBR gave? Going to be so 100-110m2 of Indian stone in the coming month and the everbuild 503 is half the price if I buy a few at once instead of one at a time.. many thanks in advance
Well you use it 50/50 with water so it does go pretty far, I guess I used less than a tub, (which are 2.5l i think) That did 40m2 at a guess. Seems ages ago now so sorry if that is wrong!
My packet said cement and SBR only! I used 5 litres on 36m2 albeit I wasted about a third by mixing more than needed
What slurry mix did you use?
Hi, could you please inform me of your slurry mix. I’d much appreciate it. Fantastic job. Inspired me to have a go.
50:50 SBR and water thickened with cement.
The Restoration Couple Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Keep up the good work.
Hi Tim, I've been following you on YT for ages now and you have given out some great advice, thank you. I have a query, I laid a patio very similar to yours about 10 years ago but now the mortar pointing has failed, I now have weeds growing out of all the joints and I also have several loose slabs. I'm planning on raking out the joints and giving the whole patio a very good clean. What mortar mix do you recommend for bedding any of the loose slabs on? I think i used sharp sand previously but should i use red sand this time time? What ratio should i use, 5 sand to 1 cement?. Also now since laying the slabs I see that a SBR/Water slurry should be pasted on the back of each slab, that's bound to help adhesion. Lastly I was going to use SIKA resin as my jointing compound or would you recommend anything else. I hope you have time to answer my few questions and thank you for sharing your fantastic DIY skills with us all.
I’ve found that substituting one part of the sharp sand to building sand helps a little. But yes slurry mix works great. The first resin pointing we used was fastpoint from Stonemarket and after 5 years is great. The sika version I used this summer looks to be the same but no long term feedback.
@@TheRestorationCouple thank you Tim, appreciate your time. So mortar mix, 1 building sand, 4 sharp sand, 1 cement and slurry mix 50:50 SBR:water plus trowel full of cement? Many thanks again 👍
What did you use for the slurry!!, product wise.
It's all in the next video. It's just 50/50 sbr and water thickened up with cement. Works very well. Otherwise there is a premix called pro prime I believe.
Got no string set up to get your level from side to side etc
Who's product is the SBR? And where did you buy it!!, I see screwfix do a no nonsense one
Thanks in advance.
SBR is a generic adhesive/waterproofer. It's basically like an external
PVA. It is sold by many brands and the no nonsense is the one I used
and was fine.
Did you seal the top of the limestone before starting laying? Only reason I ask is because any mortar left on paving will penetrate stone and stain... Removing mortar stain from limestone is practically impossible unless you know something i don't? Nice job tho!
No. The suppliers recommended leaving it natural with no sealer. That said we will probably seal at a later date especially around eating and cooking area. They do suggest leaving it a season though. The limestone does not stain at all from cement unlike our sandstone paths which we had to keep very clean as we laid. Darker limestones may well be worse but we had no problems at all. The pointing compound doesn't stain so that also helped as using mortar to point the sandstone setts would have been a long job!
Interesting to know as i know darker lime stones are a absolute git if any mortar is even to touch them. I would suggest to seal ASAP as the colour deteriorates very quickly with lime stone. I laid a black lime stone around 4 years ago in my garden without sealing and they are now grey! Lucky i like them grey now! Did the suppliers give a reason as to why to leave a season?
Full credit to you, you have done a great job!
The reason is that their stone reaches the highest standards and therefore shouldn't really need sealing. Allowing the stone to breathe and weather naturally has worked on the rest of the 120 year old stone and flags here so I can see their thinking. It is really just the grease and oils from cooking that I want to avoid staining. Black limetone is definitely harder to keep black and cement stains as you say.
true story bro!
The Restoration Couple I bought bradstone natural limestone does this not need sealed
Great video, but why didnt you just lay in on the lawn first on an area measures out with string?
lol I stole your opening jingle as my text message lol
Those big squares and rectangles like to come loose from the mortar. It's been a few years now, how are they holding up?
All solid. The SBR slurry on the back seems to have been a good success. I attempt to remove one during some other work and had to break out as it was stuck solid to the mortar bed. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple Wow that's incredible.👍
Is it better to use a concrete sub base for Indian Stone or a limestone chippings sub base? Thanks
Both if I understand your question correctly. Chippings or type 1 for the compacted subbase and then full mortar bed for the slabs.
@@TheRestorationCouple thanks
Do you have any link So I can buy correct SBR Slurry product. Do I need to mix with cement? 50:50
SBR is just an adhesive a bit like PVA. You mix that with water 50 50 and then thicken with dry cement.
@@TheRestorationCouple thank you, this was a question I was going to ask, my other question is what's the advantage of this..?? By the way, great informative series of videos, exactly what I'm hoping to achieve.... WELL DONE !!!!
Ian Penny just gives a super strong bond to the mortar bed. Many don’t do it but for the little extra effort it makes a big difference.
@@TheRestorationCouple I have another question. previously slabs laid on sand bedding & I use Weed Barrier Fabric. Is that safe to use sand cement mix on Weed Barrier Fabric? or It's better to remove Weed Barrier Fabric ?
@@TheRestorationCoupleThanks for your speedy reply, for what it costs it's defiantly worth doing, once again this is exactly what we're looking for, I don't suppose you can remember the product details for the actual stone itself..? I'll be getting onto this as soon as we're allowed to start visiting builders merchants again. Thanks, Ian...
Was there aggregate or something compacted down before the mortar?
100-150mm compacted type 1.
Which is aggregate sized from 40mm down to dust (broken up rocks) for anyone else reading later.
Tidy job boyo, how comes it’s always sunny in your viddies do u live in France ?
Fair weather DIYer!😉
What's the stuff you paint on the slabs?
50:50 SBR and water thickened with cement.
@@TheRestorationCouple thanks Where do you get it?
HOW DO YOU MAKE THE SBR SLURRY PLEASE!!!
50:50 SBR and water thickened with cement.
@@TheRestorationCouple what brand of SBR you use?
If you put som Feb in the muck you might not have cracked the slab as the muck you mix looked a bit dead
Well done tho great job
Gerry Duggan can you explain this comment, please? I’m doing the same job (pretty much) this weekend and don’t have many spare slabs, so wanted to know what you mean? Thanks
Bokulus Hpal I'm not sure, but he may have meant to mix Feb bond, I think it's a pva adhesive. Alternatively Feb bond SBR which is waterproofing type of admixture.
Feb is a mortar plasticiser, helps with workability and helps prevent cracks in the mortar caused by frost
Don't bother laying out dry just make sure you don't get cross joints
He was laying these all wrong too flat mortar when laying leaving no room for movement no wonder he kept breaking them!
Ruined by the music.
There's those who know, and those who don't, sadly you come in the latter of those groups. Misleading new DIY ers.
Domit properly or don't do it at all, leafe it to the pro's.!