I grew up going to a church of Christ with my grandparents, and I remember my grandma saying many times that a person has to be baptized in order to be saved. It wasn't until about a year ago that I finally understood that it's not absolutely necessary for salvation (I'm now 42 years old). My mind has been changed because you just can't argue with Scripture! 😅 What drove the point home even further was what Jesus did for the thief on the cross beside Him. In the moments before that thief died, Jesus saved him. He wasn't taken down from his cross and baptized first, but he was told by our Savior that on that day, he would be in paradise with Him. ❤️
I believe you! 😂 I don’t even go to the temple, but I read the Bible, and it’s like magic; Jesus saved me from my vices, now I spend the night sleeping instead of consuming putrid poison. I don’t have to believe, I know for a fact that God is real. I tried every single method to get clean, even institutionalization, and just READING the Bible saved me.
Praise the Lord!! Rmans 10:9 explicitly states that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved. Those 2 thungs alone saves you and NOTHING ELSE! Not baptism, not communion, not all this extra stuff the churches try to make you do to "show or earn" your salvation. I thank the Lord Jesus that He has made being with Him so simple. He says we have to be like little children to believe and not put our own spin on it, as adults like to do.
The Bible says we're saved by grace through faith working through love. We must accept God's grace by faith and do what Jesus tells us. "Be not hearers but doers also."
I am so thankful to be saved 😊 I am by grace through faith in Christ alone i am very thankful for 1 Corinthians 12 : vers 13 and colossians 2: vers 10 Hallelujah, Jesus ❤
Interesting. I didn't even know that many people believed that you needed to dunk your head in the water to be saved because the blood of Jesus wasn't enough to atone for their sins.
It wasn't according to scripture. Is REPENTANCE necessary for REMISSION of SINS. Yes, oh not just the blood? KJV says FAITH in the physical blood of Jesus for REMISSION OF SINS is also necessary, so now faith is necessary for remission of SINS. The Pharisees refused John's repentance water baptism for remission of SINS and were damned because of refusing water baptism for remission of sins. SPECULATION that the thief wasn't water baptized is not confirmed by scripture. I can speculate the thief was previously a Jew and was baptized by John for remission of SINS and he fell and was caught as a thief. Scripture confirms JESUS WAS WATER BAPTIZED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE. So your going to tell Jesus he should have never led you astray to believe that Acts 2:38 must be obeyed to be born of the water and then you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Born of the water and Spirit, not just the physical blood. God challenges you to get a KJV bible and look up the 11 verses that use the word remission, remit and remitted. Make the list of 4 requirements for remission of SINS. Here is the list. John says I have the authority to remit or retain your SINS. I can only do that by refusing to water baptize you as Acts 2:38 commands, EVERYONE OF YOU BE WATER BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS. Read it dude. Jesus was water baptized for righteousness sake and you do not? Really. If your a homosexual I will refuse to water baptize you and your sin is RETAINED. SIMPLE LIST please verify and teach. 1) the physical blood of Jesus for remission of SINS 2) faith in the physical blood for remission of SINS 3) repentance for remission of SINS and FINALLY to be born of the water 4)Acts 2:38 EVERYONE OF YOU BE WATER BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS. This is the true doctrine by a true divinely called teacher, that would be me, not these boneheaded false teachers that speculate and subtracts 3 requirements from scripture for remission of SINS. So obey Acts 2:38 to be born again of the water and Spirit, or don't obey and your SINS are not remitted. Sheezz dude study. Your literate right? All any true teacher needs to tell you read the 11 verses in KJV and make the list of 4 requirements for remission of SINS. Do it, and you will save many souls. You can baptize your family and friends correctly. You take your wife into the water and say upon your confession and faith in the blood of Jesus for remission of SINS and repentance for remission of SINS you are water baptized INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS. Pray Father give my wife your Holy Spirit. Your wife is now BIBLICALLY BORN AGAIN OF THE WATER AND SPIRIT. SIMPLE. PEACE OUT. ❤
@@robertvann7349 Father, May the Holy Spirit dwell in us and lead us in this discussion. Dude, you have an angry and resentful spirit dictating for you. Should you repent for anger? Would saying, "I'm sorry for my sin of anger, Father forgive me." exsolve your sin or would it take acknowledgment and subsequent guilt of sin for true repentance? Saying words does nothing, brother. It's the involuntary guilt that consumes you whereas you feel bad for doing it. Yes, I am literate, I do study, and I use the KJV to do so. I am very familiar with the verses in fact and would appreciate it if you'd keep your assumptions of me to yourself and open your ear. Born of water is your physical birth from the womb. There is nothing in Acts 2:28 or in John 3:3-5 that suggest otherwise. I believe people see what they want to see. I'm not concerned with changing your mind or persuading you either way. I am sure it'd be moot. However, I will correct you for the sake of anyone reading what you wrote. First off: Acts 2:38 King James Version 38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The word water is not in that verse. You added it, friend. Why? Be careful we will be judged on how we minister and on our motivating factor behind doing so. Second but one of the most arrogant statements from a brother in Christ is how you've claimed to hold the power to forgive or deny repentance by forgoing a baptism. You claim you need to be baptized in water for the remission of sins then boldly claim you have to power to deny that to someone. Jesus died for our sins. He's the only way to the Father. Jesus is the Passover, our salvation, the redeemer, and the only one with the power to forgive sin. You, sir, have no such power and I rebuke you for believing otherwise. Lastly, we are saved by grace and faith so that no man may boast. Nowhere in scripture does it say baptism by water is required for salvation. If you've assumed that it's probably due to an itchy ear. Ephesians 2:8-9 New King James Version 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Most Christians, for most of history, have assumed that a person is baptized to become a Christian. The 'asking God into your heart with a prayer,' wasn't widely practiced until the 1800s and the rise of revivalism.
@@nlaw5268 That's interesting. Paul, among many, rebuked those practicing salvation through works and warned against adding to the blood atonement as it's idolatry. Thank you for the information.
@@somethingwitty44 So it seems that Paul doesn't see baptism in the same way as you. Right in the middle of Romans, a letter teaching about salvation and Faith, Paul describes Baptism a person being buried with Christ (Romans 6) and being raised with Christ. He makes no clarification that it is symbol of something that happened previously (or warns people not to connect it to becoming a Christian). The chapter assumes it is the point a person switched from one identity to another. It is by faith a person saved, but at what point? The New Testament assumes that baptism is the way a person says, "Yes!" to Jesus. You believe that person must say a prayer to 'ask Jesus into their heart'. That is something a person does. Baptism is always a passive verb in New Testament. Meaning it is something done to you, not something you do (you can't baptize yourself). The response of faith to baptism is the same as what Mary said the angel, "Allow it be done to me according to your promise."
Thankyou for sharing this extremely important truth because many believe baptism is necessary for salvation and it's stumbling and confusing many who are seeking as well as those who are new or weak in the faith. May Holy Spirit open eyes. Blessings to you🕊
First Peter 3:21 says: “Baptism, is now SAVING you.” Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples MUST GET BAPTIZED! (Matthew 28:19,20)
In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Baptism is the work of Christ Jesus, the Father's only begotten Son, it's not the work of men apart from Him. Jesus instituted the sacrament of Baptism by being baptized by John, in order to fulfill all righteousness, and we are to do the same. We must be baptized AND believe (follow) to be saved. Scripture is clear on this! And the exception of the "good thief" does not nullify the rule. That's why it's an exception and not the norm. In Christ, Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 If you are not talking about water baptism, you should say so. The only baptism that can come before (really, with) belief is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, by which we believe the death of Jesus Christ slaughtered Him in our place for our sin that we may have new life by His resurrection, then that belief is followed by water baptism as we begin to follow Him.
This had always worried me. I was baptized at 12 but not with real seriousness. Our whole Sunday school class did it together because no one wanted to be left out. I was told to do it again but as I am now disabled and unable to get out to go to church, it can't happen. Thanks for this explanation. It's a big comfort.
You may not be totally out of options to be baptized. There is no reason someone could not come to you to perform the baptism, and if the preferred method of immersion is not possible, there is the option of baptism by sprinkling.
You do not need to be baptized. Romans 10:9 tells what you need to do in order to be saved. Pray and talk to Jesus; ask the Holy Spirit to show you in scripture the truth so no one can be a stumbling block to you.
I'm not sure why people think baptism is a work. In Acts 2, whenever all the people listened to Peters Sermon and were baptized, what does it say in verse Acts 2: 47: "praising God and having favor with all the people. AND THE LORD added to the church daily those who were being saved." It is an act of God that people were saved. Repentance, belief, baptism, obedience is ALL part of faith. Colossians 2: 11- 12 also says: Colossians 2:11 NKJV In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him THROUGH faith IN THE WORKING OF GOD, who raised Him from the dead." Salvation is a gift from God. We can't save ourselves no matter how many good things we do. Christ is who saves. In that baptism is WHEN we are saved. That is when we contact the blood of Jesus and participate in His death, burial and ressurection. Like the old Hymn goes.... "What can wash away may sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus"
We don't participate physically in Christ Blood sacrifice when He died to save us. You are misinterpreting Colossians 2 Jesus explains it simply to Thomas in John 20:26-31. Also salvation is a free gift. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8 And Peter Baptism in Acts 2:38 was for the "House of Israel" to reject there generation for killing the Messiah (Jesus Christ) Read verse 40. or read my comment below. The Baptism in Acts 2:38 has nothing to do with being "Correctly Baptized." When you keep reading to verse 40: "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation." Peter is warning this generation, because of Crucifying the Messiah (Christ) they would suffer with others who didn't Repent. Some 40 years later, 1.2 million Jews Died when the Temple was destroyed by the Roman Empire. The Jewish believers were able to escape a few years earlier by heeding the Words Jesus had said about the future destruction. PETER, talking to the House of Israel say's "Save Yourselves". That is not the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ. Peter was telling them to REPENT and be saved from this "untoward" (crooked; perverse) generation. This generation that would Perish along with the Destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Matthew 23:34-36. LUKE 19:41-44. Also you will see the same action from Paul, who is told by Ananias saying; "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" in Acts 22:16. No one can (wash away their own sins) for Eternal Life. SHALOM...
I was baptised as a baby, not understanding what this was all about. When I became more proficient in God's Word and saw that Jesus set the example of submerging by John the Baptist to receive the Holy Spirit in His FULLNESS, did I understand the importance of the full baptism. Now, if that was extremely important for Jesus, how much more is it not for us. I went ahead and were fully baptised, and I am not a day, sorry.
Thanks for such an insightful video. But to say baptism is not necessary for salvation is to say a wedding ceremony is not necessary for a marriage life. Baptism is the wedding and the pledge to live right and be faithful to Christ Jesus. This does not mean we are always going to be faithful to our pledge [that is where Grace comes in], but with baptism we have a reference point. I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding.
Read Romans 10:9 and show me where it says baptism is necessary to be saved. I am asking in love (I hate text sometimes because the language can come across as having attitude or something:)
@tampamabins2868 Hello Sister, I did not base my position on just one verse of the Bible. To appreciate my position, you must read the Bible in its entirety, and pray for understanding. That is the only way we can fully comprehend and appreciate it's beauty. Ie, it's seemingly contradiction and it's harmony. In Acts 8:26-38, You can see in this story that the eunuch did not only believe the resurrection of The Lord Jesus, but he also confessed The Lord Jesus with his mouth. And he was baptized by phil afterward. .. And Philip said, If you believe from all your heart, you will be saved. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.. And he ordered the chariot to stand still, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him [Acts 8:37-38]. I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding. Shalom!
... Taking a text out of context has led to a lot of misunderstanding and confusion in the church. Every single ritual and sacrament in the Bible, all the way from the old testament to the new is symbolic and important. If we take one apart, everything else falls apart. Water baptism symbolises the pledge of a good conscience towards God [1 Pt. 3:21]. A good conscience excercised in our faith in Christ Jesus leads to sanctification, and sanctification leads to salvation. There is no salvation without sanctification. That is the lie of the doctrine of grace [Rom. 6:1, Phil. 2:12]. Two people can genuinely love eachother and choose to live together and have a family together without a wedding ceremony. And they will go on to live a happy life together. But the relationship was never formalized. If they get bored of eachother and choose to break up, there was never any commitment between them. But Christ wants us to have a commited relationship with Him. The Bible is all about Christ and His lover. The Church [Ref. Songs of Solomon]. All the blood rituals of the old testament, and the sacraments of the old and new testament was to bind us to this relationship. In summary, water baptism foreshadows the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit to be able to live a righteous life. Not to "speak in tongues" and talk gibberish in church, even a dog can do that. But if we can speak in tongues, INTERPRETE and edify the church, that is a bonus to the Church [1 Cor. 14]. However, the purpose of the church is to be an example and the light in a very dark world, through righteous living, peaceful living and joyful living. All through the person of the Holy Spirit [Rom. 14:17], and to the glory of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus. Shalom!
@William Unless we become like little children, we will never inherit the Kingdom of God. We try to overcomplicate the Word, add to it, and put human interpretation to it instead of seeing it for what it is. We cannot do one part of that scripture without the other. Confess with your mouth, AND believe God raised Him from the dead. You cannot be saved by one part and not the other. Because Jesus Himself said these words, it is ALL I need to know on how to be saved. The rest is in the scriptures. Please dont overcomplicate the Word to be a yoke on those who dont know the Lord yet.
@tampamabins2868 Three points: 1]"Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth" is not a direct quotation of the Lord Jesus, they are the words of the apostle Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit. 2] In Acts 6, you can see that the Ethiopian Eunuch [a New Convenant Christian] believed in his heart, and confessed with his mouth, nonetheless Phillip [under the instructions of the Holy Spirit] baptised him. "And Philip said, If you believe from all your heart, you will be saved. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God". And he ordered the chariot to stand still, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him [Acts 8:37-38]. 3] I could pull up a million more references, but then again I don't really know much. But I know enough to know that it is the Holy Spirit that does the conviction. "And, when I came to you, brothers, I came not according to excellence of speech or of wisdom, announcing to you the mystery of God (..) My speech and my proclamation were not in persuasive words of wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. In order that your faith would not stand in the wisdom of men but in the power of God". I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding. Shalom!
I will pray for this conversation, first that you will be gentle, and that God will stir the other person's heart to listen, which would be, for lack of a better word, a miracle.
You summarized your issue. You say, "God teaches salvation is by grace and faith alone so all these passages (more than 2 dozen) that seem to teach that baptism as the normal of becoming a disciple can't possibly mean that." Your system doesn't allow a person to read scripture naturally.
Nothing except God’s grace and forgiveness over a repentant sinner is necessary for salvation but I’m always a little suspicious of healthy able-bodied “believers” who don’t willingly and gratefully publicly confess their salvation through baptism. Jesus was baptized so obviously it’s an important step of obedience; much like regularly taking communion. These rituals don’t cause salvation but truly saved hearts should long to follow the example of the Savior. Fruits of the spirit should be obvious in saved people. Just my humble opinion. 💜🙏
Very well said! I agree 💯 I’m also suspect of people who don’t serve, don’t give, and still speak and act exactly like they did prior to being “saved”. The Bible is clear we are a new creation with a renewed mind and there is evident fruit of the Spirit! 💜🙏
I was on board with most of what they were saying until the one guy said he has serious doubts that everything after mark chapter 16 verse 8 shouldn't possibly even be in the bible. Does he have any idea the kind of confusion & doubt he introduces to the minds of a believer (or worse, someone who is not saved) regarding the validity of the Bible? Making statements like that can cause and have caused so much doubt in Believers and non-believers alike. I understand that the earlier versions of the Bible are supposedly different than some of the add-ons later in history but I think if God did not want that in the bible, he would have seen to it that it was not there. So as of this point whether they're speaking truth or not, I can't take anything they say serious when they themselves doubt whether or not scripture is God inspired or not!
How did people get saved for The 57 years prior to Paul writing Romans? Paul didn't write Romans until 57 AD. Did Peter quote Romans 10:9 on the day of Pentecost? Acts 2:37, the new believers asked a question,and Peter answered them. Being baptized doesn't cancel out grace. I see baptism as an integral aspect of repentance. Not just Acts 2:38. Every example of new converts in Acts, they got baptized, right away,spontaneously without delay.
I had a guy from a 'non-denominational' (yeah) Church of Christ pressuring me on the phone about baptism being necessary for salvation after I explained I was baptized in 1985. He seemed alarmed that I didn't believe it was necessary for salvation. Apparently even if you're baptized, it's not enough to be saved unless you ALSO BELIEVE it's necessary for salvation. These people are really nuts! I asked them if baptism is found in every book of the NT but I should have asked them if it's found everywhere that the requirements for salvation are explained because in most cases it's not. Interesting not you did not bring up: The 27 books of the New Testament were not assembled together until possibly 2-3 centuries later. This means there were separate books in circulation that mentioned salvation by repentance and faith in Christ, but not about baptism. This is part of why consistency in scripture is so critically important.
Me David I was baptised in church as a child in a Welsh Church , Years later I strayed many miles from The Lord , but He had gone nowhere , it was me that had moved away ! I was at the Jordan River in Israel just before covid , I know IU wanted to be baptized there BUT a tonne of Canadians or Americans descended on the place in a bus party , so they hogged the place pretty much lol ! Anyway IF God Jesus wanted me to baptized there and then , he would have launched me in those waters ! We are NOT saved by anything we do , but ALL that He did for us Amen !!
A lot of people point to Acts 2, but in Acts 10 and 11 when the gentiles received the Holy Spirit prior to baptism, it’s clear that the apostles remembered the baptism that saves them is the baptism of the Holy Spirit John prophesied about when he said “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Fast forward to Acts 13: “Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:38-39 Then I’m acts 15 it says: “having cleansed their hearts by faith” Then acts 16:30: “And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Once you realize that the baptism that saves us is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, scriptures like Mark 16:16 “he who believes and is baptized will be saved” sound a lot more like the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
@@deanfry879 but the thing is.. all gospel accounts technically specify otherwise whenever they make a distinction between John’s baptism (water) and Jesus baptism (the Holy Spirit). I believe the great commission in Matthew 28 refers to water baptism, which is why the apostles water baptize and I believe all believers should get baptized in obedience. But whenever Jesus refers to baptism as something that saves like in Mark 16:16 or in Colossians 2 where it says it gives us new life I believe it’s referencing the Holy Spirit especially since it calls it a circumcision made “without hands.” Or Ephesians 4 where it says there is one baptism and one spirit. If Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit and his followers have one baptism, then to me that one baptism has to refer to the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the baptism the Gentiles received in Acts 10/11 prior to water baptism.
And after Acts 16:30 that man's entire household was baptized. Read everything that's there! We have faith (trust in the Lord) that baptism is necessary because He was and told us to do the same. Trust in what the Lord has said about salvation, and don't lean on the exception of the good thief! In Christ, Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 Yes he was water baptized after that. The question is was the water baptism what saved him, or if his salvation was based on his belief in verse 30. There are numerous passages that point to us being justified by faith apart from works. I do think all believers should get baptized as their first act of obedience after believing because yes Jesus commands it and we should be obedient if we are true believers. But in my opinion, when we equate baptism with a work of righteousness we have to do to be saved, we are falling into the same trap as the Jews who were looking to be justified by something they did. Now I do believe what James says in 2:20 that faith without works is dead, but that just means true faith will produce works. But if we’re saved by grace then it can’t be any work that actually saves us. “And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.” Romans 11:6 “Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?” Galatians 3:2-3
@@Seekingchristdaily As I stated before, baptism is a work of our Lord Jesus. It's not a work of men or a work of the law. We are to be baptized AND believe (follow). That's not an either or, it's a both and. In Christ, Andrew
You can now say that you have convinced someone from the church of Christ that baptism is not for forgiveness of sins. I have struggled with this topic for decades and have been praying fervently for clarity. I heard it today in your message. The part that seems most important to me is that if baptism were necessary for salvation, it would be mentioned in every instance of how to obtain salvation.
This doesn't work. Faith isn't mentioned in every conversion passage either, or the Holy Spirit (both of which are part of salvation). Most passage just assume that baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple. It's the most natural reading of Acts 2:38, Acts 8, Acts 8, Romans 6, 1 Peter 3:21, and many, many more. Asking Jesus 'into your heart with a prayer,' is something that is not widely done until the 1800s and the rise of revivalism.
@claryndalewis4061, you have no idea how mistaken these guys are. "You can not disprove a subject that is not mentioned in the passage." No, baptism does not have to be mentioned in every verse that speaks of salvation. Because baptism "does also now save us."
Thank you for this topic. I would like to share my faith. For me I do not look at baptism as "my work" and It wasn't taught to me that way either. In fact it is God's work in me and will for me. It is Him who worked in me to do it. ▪︎I was baptized into Christ 1993 and that was the day I was adopted as one of His sons and welcomed into His family. I was "added" (Acts 2:41) I did it as a response to God's amazing grace and love for me thru Jesus dying on the cross. (Acts 2:23) This is the message I am sharing to my friends and to whoever will listen. ▪︎2 pastors: one pastor tells someone to go into a room and pray a sinners prayer and accept Jesus into his heart and he/she is then a born again (saved) and instructed him/her to join a Bible church. The other pastor said to someone, if he/she wants to be a follower of Christ, to turn away from his/her old self (repentance) and be baptized (Acts 2:38) to become a child of God. **One can say the former pastor's instruction is not a "work" while the later is a "work"? What is the difference? ▪︎What if I do not pray and accept Jesus into my heart..am I saved? What if I do not change my ways, repent & got baptized?..am I saved? I am saved by God's grace through faith (Eph 2:8). So what if I have no FAITH..am I saved? (Heb 11:6)..What if I do not believed..am I saved? (Mark 16:16) Majority on the streets says they believed in Jesus. So they are saved? Even the demons believed? Are they saved? ▪︎Faith is not only my intellectual belief on God. (James 2:9 John 8:31). Conclusion: ♡: Believing, Praying Jesus and accepting Him into my heart and turning away from my idolatry/sins (Gal 5:19-20) and be baptized are both needed for me to receive Jesus salvation. They are not a "work" for me to earn it but to receive it. They are my responses to Gods free gift of salvation. God is giving it to me but I have to respond by going and receiving it. In One word: FAITH (Is this a work?) ▪︎YES i did it because of the salvation Jesus is giving me not because I am already saved. Gods grace is making salvation available for everyone ..but everyone has to go and receive it. (Faith)..without a response from you, salvation is only available for you but it is not yet in you. Otherwise it will only be one way relationship. (Mat 22:37) ***One more thing: Baptism is participation in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus (Rom 6:5). In Baptism- A promise is given that we too will resurrect and live with him in eternity. Jesus, while hanging on the Cross along with 2 criminals, is still alive. He can forgive people anywhere: in the streets, home, temple or in the shore. He has the authority to do it (Mat 9:6) Only after He died, buried and resurrected that baptism is commanded. (Matthew 28:18-20)..so it is necessary. I did it not as a ritual or religious ceremony but bec Jesus said so. It can become a ritual if baptism is done without repentance. (Luke 24:47) 🙏
@larrybales6972 You mentioned in yer comment that even the evil spirits believe . The difference between them and Christians that believe is that in John 6:29 , a Christians belief is put there by a WORK of God. In other words a person doesn't manufacturer Godly belief on their own .Plus a Christians belief is living faith that will have good works which God has prepared beforehand for us .
@larryballes6972 , faith or belief' is a work but John 6:29 says it is a work of God that you believe in him whom he sent. So it is God's work and not any humans work .
@larryballes6972 , there is a baptism of the Holy Spirit besides water baptism.And Ro.6 does not mention water anywhere in chapter 6 . Therefore Romans chapter 6 is not a good example of water baptism. There are many different baptisms in scripture as Jesus referred to the cross as a baptism he was straightened till it was done in Mathew .
I think it all boils down to several questions," Who is your final authority in ALL things? " "Who would you believe over anyone else in the whole world?" If your answer is anything or anyone else rather than God and His Word then you are going to get it wrong. If God says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9) then there is NOTHING else we can do other than believe and receive His gift of salvation. We can't earn grace. I don't see anywhere in Scriptures that we are to believe AND be baptized to be saved. To be saved we are to believe in in our hearts in Jesus and His Gospel only. I see we are to be baptized as a witness and symbol that we have died and resurrected in Jesus. We have died to our old man and risen in newness of life through Jesus. I'll take God at His word over anyone or anything else. If not, then it is time to chuck it all in and live according to the hopelessness and insanity of this world.
If yall want to do an **episode going over editing** I would love to learn more. I sometimes feel like I could say less when I’m talking to others or when I’m making a post- I got some tips from Kevin (the managing editor)(the man on the right) in a previous episode- but if he wants to dive in and give advice on editing I would truly appreciate it and hopefully use it as a useful tool in sharing the gospel. Thank you for the help yall give.
Excellent teaching on this very controversial subject. Thank you so much for your ministry which helps us to know the scriptures well that we may share the truth in Love.
If you don't think we need to be baptized, then don't get baptized. I just don't see anyone in the earlybchurch trying to dance around water baptism. Every example of people being saved, they were baptized spontaneously without delay, and The Apostles were actually with Jesus. Why did Jesus tell them to Baptize, in the great commission?
That's not written in the Bible. He may have even been one who was baptised by John. You can't prove he was or wasn't baptised. But Jesus himself spoke the words of salvation to him. There's nothing more certain than that. Most of us will never see Jesus in the flesh speaking to us saying "Amen, this day you'll be with me in paradise". That's a most rare event recorded only once in history.
I always think of the conflicting views that we may extract from the Word of God must surely have been by Divine design, as although we argue the points which can lead to some serious divisions, on the other hand it is these very areas within the Word of God that receive greater focus and lead many to dig deeper into the Scriptures. Do you perhaps also think the tensions in the text draw you to greater understanding of some very key Biblical points that may otherwise have been glossed over by most of us?
Very interesting. Never thought of this before. I always thought you must be baptized. This is a very difficult topic to take on. Thanks for your insight. I have to say that these red letters: 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God' - carry some weight toward needing baptism. The way I see it- if you have the ability to, you should. If somehow you cannot, then it would not prevent you from entering.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9 "8 for by grace you have been saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God, 9 Not of works, lest anyone should boast." Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, Christ alone, to the glory of God alone. Scripture takes precedence over opinions, experiences, and traditions!
whoa on Acts 16:31 being false doctrine. You can’t say that one passage of Paul is false as that opens the door to invalidate any scripture. But agreed that it has more to do with the gentiles coming to faith at the time
John 21:25 “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
Amen GQ. I believe the same. We are saved by grace through faith. The bible is very clear. What about the thief on the cross? Jesus said he would be with Him that day in paradise and he was never baptized. I think it's just a case of people taking scriptures out of context and reading more into it than what it is.
Maybe not. Whatever one does, he does to the Glory of God. If someone believes that is what seals his faith, let him do it to the Glory of the Lord. That person has to seek truth for himself, right? So even when different churches are teaching different things, a man must still examine himself and the food he is being fed. You are right, churches do teach other things for lack of understanding, bu it is up to the person attending to descern what they are being taught and ask for wisdom.
Some of what you all said is accurate, but MOST of the passages used in this video was explained out of their contexts by yourselves as well. 😓 It's neither extreme. Repentance and loving God is nowhere stated in many of those passages but none of you will say that an individual is saved without repenting or loving God... so sadly, you contradict yourselves. And nowhere does the bible say by Grace or faith "ALONE". True faith (not mere belief) will act and submit to Christ and his commands (MATTHEW 7:21-23). Peace and Blessings
It sure is. Jesus stated so. I think in The cross, there’s grace in allowance of time of the thief on the cross. Sometimes people are dying and become a believer right as they are dying. But Jesus clearly said we must be washed of our sins. He made it a command to fulfill complete righteousness.
Martin Luther, who was the original reformer, and the theologian who pioneered the doctrine of Sola Fida and Sola Scriptura was also a staunch supporter of the necessity and saving power of baptism. I believe firmly that his arguments are correct, and that the arguments in this video are wrong. I will try to do justice to Luther's arguments but I strongly suggest people spend time reading his own explanations. What is the meaning of Sola Fide? You are saved by faith apart from any works of the law. This means that faith is passive. You can contribute nothing to your salvation. To understand this fully you must understand that faith is an external process that God is working on you. To repent means to be "turned around" and God is the active person who is turning you around. This also means that you were never saved by your "decision" for Christ. It's the opposite. You were saved by HIS decision for you. In other words, God is doing the work to save you by giving you faith against your own sinful will. He does this through his means of grace: preaching the Gospel, the proclamation of forgiveness, the sacraments etc, and the Holy Spirit who enables you to believe in them. Does baptism save? The correct answer is 100% yes. You do not baptize yourself, therefore it is not your work, nor is baptism any type of human work. It is, in fact, God's work. To deliver baptism properly is to deliver God's true promise that your sins are forgiven. This promise is given in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not in the name of the believer, the pastor, or the church. It is God's (not the pastor's) true promise and God's true work, not any human work. Is Baptism necessary? Think of it this way. Is the Gospel necessary for salvation? The answer is 100% yes. But how can that be, since preaching the Gospel is a work? The answer is that when the Gospel is preached, it is God's words being proclaimed and the Holy Spirit acting on the person so they may believe. God "works" through the preacher and the Holy Spirit to deliver his true promise. We call this God's "means of grace". This is the same for baptism. In fact, we should understand baptism as the gospel being delivered in a sacramental form. So, because baptism saves, it is therefore necessary. What if I can not be baptized? Baptism saves and it is necessary. However, God does have the power and mercy to forgive sins even when baptism is withheld by the wicked or made impossible by circumstance (like the thief on the cross). When an unbaptized person dies we commend them to God's mercy. While we don't know for certain if the thief was baptized or not, we know he was saved because he believed in Christ's promise, which is the same promise delivered to you in Baptism. If however, baptism is offered, and you refuse, you are then proving yourself to be a non-believer, because Christ who you claim to believe in, commands baptism and you are to trust in Christ. So another way of looking at it is Christ commands you to receive and trust in his promise of salvation through baptism. Where is it written? 1 Peter 1:21 - Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (keywords: "now saves you", "appeal to God", "good conscience") A "good conscience" means faithfulness. Baptism is not done because you believe. It is done as an appeal to God to MAKE you into a believer. This is also why it is good to baptize infants. John 3:5 - Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (keywords: "born of water and Spirit", "cannot enter") Baptism is water combined with the Holy Spirit which promises salvation and creates faith. "Cannot enter" means it is necessary for salvation. Acts 2:38 - And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (keywords: "Forgiveness of Sin", "receive the gift of the Holy Spirit") Baptism washes away sin (unbelief) and gives the Holy Spirit which creates faith. Mark 16:16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (keywords: "will be saved") Baptism is unified with faith and saves. Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age. (keywords: "All Nations" ) Children are included in all nations. Also notice that making disciples begins with baptism and then is followed by teaching. Romans 6:3-4 - Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. (keywords: "Death", "Newness of Life" ) Baptism kills the old self and creates a new person in faith, i.e. it creates faith Titus 3:5 - He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (keywords: "not because of works done by us", "washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit" ) Baptism is God's work to wash away sins (unbelief) and create renewal in the Holy Spirit (faith) Anyone therefore who says baptism does not save and is not necessary is accusing Christ and the Apostles of not speaking the truth.
2:05 Shea is mistaken, baptism is not everything for us Jesus Christ is. Baptism is washing away your sins by surrendering to our Father in heaven and rebuking sin.
If baptism is the washing away of sins, then Jesus did not do it by His blood. Baptism is purely symbolic and ceremonial, a public declaration of identification with Jesus Christ, as a good symbol should be. Don't be so quickly upset that you say things you do not really mean.
John 1: 33 Yes we are baptized with the Holy Ghost..like born again...the water thing is nice, but dangerous if you think it is required. So the people who think we must be baptized are correct, they just are defining baptism incorrect, this stuff is not difficult people ❤
Matthew 28:18 What did Jesus mean when he said after he had been resurrected “ All power and authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth go therefore, and make disciples baptizing in the Father end of the Son of the Holy Spirit? I don’t believe baptism is for salvation, but Jesus did say to do it. During the last supper, Jesus said due to some remembrance of me communion is not for salvation either. Many Christians partake and communion many call festival of freedom.
If you can be baptized you should Now do I think that someone who repents and cant be baptized are lost ..no ....but those who go out of their way too say baptizm doesnt matter i would question their heart their purpose ...
If baptizes was not important why did Jesus send His apostles to baptize the people ? Just before Jesus went to Heaven He send the m to baptize the people ( Matthew 28: 19)
I feel like God sent me to this video. I was baptized as a baby, grew up going to church then went on with life, marriage, children ect. On August 23, 2022 at age 67 I am totally saved through grace and eager to read the bible to learn everything I can about our Lord Jesus. Then I watched a youtube video from a Pastor up in OR. and he said being baptized as a baby doesn't count. Well that sent my head spinning. I don't belong to a church because of agendas I don't believe in. So again thank you for this, I really needed to hear this and I truly believe I was lead to your site. Praise the Lord!
Romans 11:6 says grace is not obtained by works which is true we obtained grace because GOD is good not because OUR works are good. But that doesn’t mean once we obtain grace through faith that GODly works aren’t required of us. Ephesians 2 tells us we are ordained for good works
Plus, if baptizing was part of salvation, then churches would have a baptismal being hauled with them while knocking doors and sharing the salvation gospel of Jesus Christ.
Faith with out works is dead and works with out faith is dead. I agree with the first part of the argument that it is baptism is not always required for salvation. Even so, in a a general context it is to be done even more so for the commands/10 commandments of God.
That is true, the thief on the cross is one example of a situation where his baptism was impossible, but generally speaking, baptism is required of Christians and therefore it does play a part in your salvation along with your faith obviously.
@@jzak5723 you can't use his example as a case for where baptism is impossible as there was no command at that point. I'm not saying baptism is necessary for baptism. And I completely agree that baptism is a commandment that needs to be obeyed. Just the thief on the cross can't be used as an example
@@rosali9707 Well, it is an example and it isn't, depending on who's asking the question, if you follow me. We know that baptism for Christians is a command from the Lord (post-resurrection), but at the same time, we know there are people who are saved but never were baptized, Moses, Abraham, the thief, etc, etc, etc. So the thief is an example of someone who was not baptized, but still was saved, that's all I'm saying. Some people use the thief as an example that no Christians NEED to be baptized to be saved, and that simply isn't true.
Matthew 28. 16 20. Not belong ? Strange. I guess with 77 verses on baptism we should do it following our profession of faith JUST IN CASE JESUS WAS EXPLICIT IN HIS COMMAND
No one believes that if you fail to get baptized before you die, that's it for you. However, if you refuse to get baptized and pretend that it does nothing and is purely symbolic, then you're a heretic. Sorry.
You phrased yourself in a way making it seem you believe symbolism does nothing. If that was your intention, not so. Symbolism teaches, proclaims, identifies, and/or gives honor to the person of interest and/or the witnesses. Baptism is purely symbolic, but there is no reason to take a person seriously as a believer if they do not get baptised, if baptism is possible in some way.
"Belief" results in action. How do we know if one believes? An outward demonstration of what you believe. If one believes in Christ they will demonstrate by following Christ by being baptized. Too often church leaders teach that "belief" means you intellectualized Christ in your mind and heart and it stops there.
@Qodeshim1983 , Christ was asked by what authority did he have to cleans the temple of money changers. He had authority by being High Priest when he was baptized by John the Baptist in Jordan River .Old Testament law says to be blessed a High Priest, you must be anointed by Levite Priest which John the Baptist was and after the anointing you cleansed clothes and body in water . John's baptism was for repentance and remission of sin which Jesus had none . So Jesus did not get baptized for this as sinful people do . Jesus got baptized by John for righteousness ,meaning to be High Priest and testified by two witnesses, the dove/holy Spirit and the voice of Father from heaven. This gave Jesus the authority to cleans the temple of money changers. His authority came from heaven.
Jesus said to the man on the cross next to him "today you will be with me in paradise". (Luke Chapter 23 Verse 43). Had this man been water baptized??? Water baptism happens because someone has been saved. Water baptism doesn't save. The recent coronation happened because Charles is now the King. The coronation didn't make Charles the King. Charles became the King when his mother - Queen Elizabeth the Second - died. A coronation for William or George would be nonsense as neither of them are King.
Jesus died on the cross for our sins and salvation. In Hebrew 5:9 says And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey them. Jesus (GOD) told the apostles to teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost: We shouldn't reject water baptism because Jesus(GOD) commands us. If we say water baptism isn't commanded then you make Paul testimony a lie in Acts 22:14. Our testimony should be a witness tool to tell people about what Christ did for us. Paul did the same thing in Acts 22 showing what Christ did for him and how to follow Christ. Thanks for spreading the good news. Blessing on you Podcast!!!
My Grandpa Moses use to stand on a mountain yelling out to the world repent wondered if Baptism is symbolic of the water cleanses our Temples and repentance When sinned cleanses us inside out from sin for our Lord Jesus is The Living Water Thanks and as the comment in comments on the Theif on cross is in Paradise I feel he was not water baptized but owned up to his sin and new Savior Yaweh is was our God Forever also washing of feet is connected I have heard Thanks :)
Being baptized is not a argument that we should disagree with because it is written several times to do so , how could anyone disagree with God ? The Bible is the word of God and is God , he said to do it , now you can argue all you like but it will not change the fact that scripture says to do this over and over and over again ! Yes Believing comes first because if you didn't believe who would get baptized then ? Faith comes first and anyway if you love the Lord you shouldn't question his Will but you should do it , now wouldn't it be really sad if you was wrong just because you feel it was unnecessary to do this ? Can you tell God " But Lord we know better " just because you said to do this doesn't mean we are not saved because we believe " Good luck with that ! 😅 You may not realize but being baptized is a command not a suggestion ! 😮 Anyway you have nothing to loose but all more to gain ...
**Please read my brothers and sisters** The Lord has put this on my heart. Please share; copy and paste everywhere and lets get this out internationally. A call to prayer: Worldwide Simultaneous Body of Christ Prayer *Pray in thy closet, fasting if possible April 8th, 8am Saturday Eastern Standard Time Prayer goals 1. Strong revival that spans cities 2. That we all have strength to turn from our sins in each respective nation 3. Pray for mercy on our oppressors, unrighteous, and righteous alike 4. Pray for unblinding of those in darkness 5. Pray to deepen our faith and become more sensitive to His voice
Jesus told us to go ye therefore baptizing them in the name. Acts is right, and you have to do what it says. Don't tell people a lie and cause them to be lost.
@@tampamabins2868 That is not going to fly, "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" (see Matthew 28:18-20). Is baptism necessary for salvation? No. Are there people making God's command a merely human rule? Yes. Is baptism somehow necessary for Christian living? Yes. I am of the opinion that reason is currently lost to our knowledge due to the answer to my second question. Will you join me in praying the Holy Spirit gives revelation and embarrasses those who misuse Jesus's commands?
@@deanfry879 The fact you want to embarrass says you do not believe in what Jesus said when He said in everything, we are to love one another as He loved us. If we are to do and be love, why would we embarrass? Does not the Holy Spirit convict the heart? In this, people who seek Jesus seek truth, and we are to be unburdoned by the bounds of men's laws. Jesus desires true worship in spirit and in truth. Therefore, I will worship Him in my spirit and in truth. If the Holy Spirit convicts me to be baptized, I will, but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord in accordance with however the Holy Spirit leads us to do so.
@@tampamabins2868 Better to be embarrassed now, when there is still oportunity to repent, than on the Day of Judgment, which Jesus Christ will bring about in due time. Besides, Jesus is Lord, if it suits Him to give a person a pass on something He said, He can do that. I certainly agree what is not from faith is sin. I have been embarrassed enough times by the Lord to no longer be afraid of it for myself and anyone else. I have seen embarrassed people bounce back to the point of giving thanks for it. Is that beyond your own experience? I think not.
Are Catholics saved? They believe Jesus died for their sins. But the problem is that they have a wrong concept of afterlife, forgiveness and works. They still believe in Jesus are they saved? I hold your view about water baptism not needed for salvation but every time I discuss it, it opens a can of worms 😅 no church pastor will believe they can do away with water baptism.
Salvation requires believing in The Water, Blood, and Spirit. Jesus was baptisted by John the Baptist to take on all mans sin.Past, Present, and Future Sin. Blood is Jesus having taken mans sin had to pay the wages of sin which is death. The Heavenly Father judged Jesus in mans place. Spirit is Jesus rose the third day in all power and sits on the right hand of the Father and has opened the Veil for all who believe in this testimony to enter the Kingdom of Heaven
Apart from the illogic of it, you just have to think of what Jesus said to the repentant thief on the cross! He didn't say: if only you could have been baptised, today you'd be in paradise with me!
Do you realize how many passages you are forced to add a special interpretation in order to avoid teh natural reading? Not just one passage, but dozens. We can't say that just because baptism isn't mentioned in every case it means it's not essential. Faith isn't mentioned in every text, the holy Spirit isn't mentioned in every text. You can't just cite Romans 10:10. You have to explain why despite how it reads, the Great commission (Matthew 28:19,20) doesn't really mean baptism is connected with becoming a disciple, Acts 2:38 also needs a special non-natural reading to explain why Baptism isn't connecting with becoming a disciple, Romans 6 needs to be interpreted as a symbol (Despite sounding like a person is raised to life as they come up from baptism), 1 Peter 3:20-21 has to carefully re-interpreted, Colossians 2:12 needs a special interpretation as well, because the natural reading for all these passage is supposedly wrong. Not even down. You need to rethink how to explain Acts 8 & 16, which both imply that baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple. And on and go you go. This isn't 'pulling one tiny text and ignoring context'. At what point can you just admit, that your interpretation is only possible if you have pre-decided that, 'no physical action can be connected with salvation,' therefore the over 30 references to baptism as the normal way to become a disciple all need special footnotes. Paul, Luke, Matthew, and Peter were all misleading because they don't see it as clearly as we do now, so we need special notes to explain that when Paul wrote, "when you were baptized you were baptized into his death," he really meant "When you invited Jesus into your heart you were baptized into his death and your later baptism was just a great picture of what happened back then." Does it seem like that's what Paul meant, or just what you really want him to mean? Read it and say, "What makes the most sense of the most clearest texts?" People who say, "I just don't think God would use anything physical in connection with salvation," is a nice logical thought to hold, but one must be willing to footnote and explain anyway so many narratives and passages. The natural reading of Acts 2:38, Matthew 28:19,20, Acts 8 & 16, and all the others is baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple.
@nlaw5268 You mentioned Ro.chapter 6 . I remind you that Romans chapter 6 never mentions liquid water anywhere .And as there are many different baptism described in scripture such as the baptism of the cross which Jesus said in Mathew ,I have a baptism to do and how straightened I am till it is accomplished . Hence , Ro.6 could very well be speaking of baptism of Holy Spirit and not of liquid water baptism .
@@JesseMongia Consider the following. If I told you someone was drowning, you would assume the person is in water. The word drowning means to be submerged in water. If I want to use it in a different way, I have to use other words (like 'he is drowning in paperwork'). You are imagining the word baptism is a metaphoric term with strong religious connotations that would need clarification. That is mostly because the word in English has a religious history. Baptism was not a special word in the first century. It just meant to plunge beneath water. That's the actual definition of the word, (see BDAG). It was the same word used in the first century to plunge dishes in water to clean them. It always means water unless someone specifically says otherwise. Jesus does not specifically mentioned 'liquid' in Matthew 28:19,20. The eunuch in Acts says, "What prevents me from being baptized?" and does not feel the need to clarify by saying "What prevents me from being baptized in a liquid?" Every reference to Romans 6 in the church Fathers (Many of whom spoke Greek as a first language) assumed the passage is referring to immersion in water at conversion. Can you find any New Testament scholar who does not think that Romans 6 is referring to baptism in water? Even those who disagree over the place of baptism in salvation would never question that this passage is referring to water.
Faith is trust and trust is obediance, which is why Abraham's obedient faith (willingness to kill his son) was credited to him as righteousness. Faith without works (action) is dead! In Christ, Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 Abraham was credited with righteousness long before he even had children, but yes, his willingness to sacrifice his son is consistent with the righteousness he already had.
Agree with your analysis but having said that observance of the rules or laws tends to be binary (pass or fail). Satan is a die-hard opposer of mankind and will try to use any trick to fail us. The baptism is a formal acknowledgement of your faith. Solely from one's work, one cannot SHOW our faith since we do not follow perfectly God's Law. We are salvaged by God's grace. So baptism and renewal of baptismal promises are essential in my view. This can be easily implemented as well. Let's not give the satan any chance to deny us salvation.
Water baptism symbolizes a person’s dying to his past course of life and beginning a new one as a Christian dedicated to God. Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. First Peter 3:21 makes it clear that baptism is now saving you! Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples must get baptized! (Matthew 28:19,20) To benefit for Jesus’ sacrifice, a person must exercise faith in Jesus shed blood, change his course of life to live in harmony with Jesus’ teachings, and get baptized. (Acts 2:38)
Interesting. What is your take on communion; do you see it as a requirement? Also, when Peter was addressing the crowds of "Jews", can one assume he was saying this (to be baptized) to the Jews (Acts 2:14), and perhaps not to the gentiles?🤔
As for communion, Paul said about it, "You proclaim the Lord's death untill He returns." So no, it is not required, but we are less effective without it.
@@Ezekiel336-16 If that were literal, His flesh and blood would only go far enough for a few thousand to have a taste. As for the spritual reality, it only has to happen once. The regular ceremony of communion is an excellent venue as a teaching moment, and as a reminder of our salvation, that we do have His life in us for those who believe. So we give thanks.
@@deanfry879 That bread of life discourse in John 6 comes right after Jesus multiplied the loaves and fishes, so I would highly recommend that you reconsider limiting the Lord's ability to do the same with His glorified flesh and blood. In Christ, Andrew P.S. The greek word for life in John 6:53 is "Zoe", which means eternal/resurrected life. Jesus didn't die to give us symbols of Himself to eat and drink.
@@Ezekiel336-16 This sounds similar to the doctrine of transubstantiation of the Catholic Church. If He did not do this with His glorified body, what then did I mean by "spiritual reallity"?
Why such unfaithfulness towards the sacraments (i.e. the works of Christ) that He gave to us for our participation and benefit? I say this because I'm sure these guys don't believe in the normative necessity of the Eucharist either. Jesus wasn't born, baptized, scourged, crucified, and glorified in resurrection to bring us symbols. In Christ, Andrew
There was the Passover, and then there was the symbol of the yearly Passover celebration and ceremony for the children and proselytes to ask what the symbols mean. It was also a reminder of the reality the symbols represent. It is the same with baptism and communion. Both are necessary for effective witness and teaching and were commanded for those reasons.
@@deanfry879 During the original Passover, no one simply had faith that the Lord would spare them if they did not do what they were told to do with the lamb's blood above their doorposts and eating the lambs. They lived out their faith in the Lord by doing what they were told to do, and they lived to tell about it and celebrate it. We should have the same living faith when it comes to baptism in both forms, as well as the laying on of hands that's talked about in Acts 8. In Christ, Andrew
If we reference the totality of New Testament scriptures on this matter, you guys ARE in ERROR! ...Water baptism IS a "plain thing", AND a "main thing" (as Jeff made reference to), when it comes to what is "required" for salvation! There's nothing "hidden" (Jeff) about this at all! ...Three brief points (please read on): 1) In Matt. 18:19, Jesus commands His disciples to "...make disciples of ALL nations, BAPTIZING them..."; and in Verse 20, He continues: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED you...". Jesus is OBVIOUSLY saying that ALL disciples (future believers) ARE to be WATER BAPTISMED! ...A very "plain" AND "main" thing, I would say! 2) Beginning from Acts 2:38-39 (where, in Verse 39, Peter preached, saying: " 'Save' ("salvation") yourselves..."; and earlier, in Verse 38, he commands them to "BE (water) BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU..."); and throughout the Book of Acts, where instances of the "induction" of believers into the Church / Body of Christ is recounted, WATER BAPTISM is recorded as a GIVEN and EXPECTED element in the process! (Regard, in particular, Peter's ministering to those at Cornelius' house, in Acts 10:45-48: "... on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he COMMANDED them to be baptized..."). ... ("Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS; WHATSOEVER I (Jesus) HAVE COMMANDED you...") 3) Of course, we're "saved" by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ! ...But BEAR IN MIND, these scriptural teachings regarding "grace", and "faith (alone)", and "works" or no "works", were NOT directed to the "unsaved"; but rather, to BELIEVERS! That is to say, the principal TARGET AUDIENCE of these writings were themselves ALREADY water (and spirit) baptized! (Acts 2:42 "...they CONTINUED STEADFASTLY IN THE APOSTLES' DOCTRINE...".) All-in-all - Jesus, Himself, commanded His disciples that ALL (future) disciples are to be BAPTIZED; and the Book of Acts clearly documents how the Apostles - time and time again - TAUGHT and OBEYED that command. One must conclude, therefore, that water baptized IS an INTEGRAL part of God's "salvation" prescription! I would venture to say that a COMMAND from Jesus should probably be viewed as a REQUIREMENT! You disagree?? ...Are we to DISREGARD a standard ESTABLISHED BY JESUS, and call it "unnecessary"??!
@rayeband1863 there are many different baptisms spoken throughout scripture . Not all baptism is of liquid water .Case in point is book of Mt. Where Jesus says he has a baptism to do and how straightened he is till it is accomplished ( this he spoke of the baptism of the cross) .There is also a baptism of the Holy Spirit.
@@JesseMongia @JesseMongia No disagreement there!🙂 That, nevertheless, DOESN'T negate Jesus' Command to His disciples, in Matt. 28:19-20; wherein, He was obviously referring to WATER baptism, since it is GOD, Himself, that baptizes us with His Holy Spirit. ...And again, we have the EMPIRICAL evidence of the disciples being OBEDIENT to Jesus' teaching, throughout the Book of the Acts of the Apostles! Wherever Acts records the apostles delivering the message of Salvation, through Jesus Christ; to unbelievers AND believers, alike - in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE - WATER baptism (in the Name of Jesus Christ) was introduced [Jesus: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS, whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU..." Matt. 28:20a], AND water baptism (submersion) was ADMINISTERED! This is so FUNNY; because, there's ACTUALLY nothing here to "interpret", or even discuss! Water baptism, as part of God's Salvation Plan, for humandkind, is one of the EASIEST biblical concepts for ALL to visualize and grasp!! We can read for ourselves what Jesus said, and what the disciples later did; in OBEDIENCE to the Lord's teaching! "Piece of cake!!" 🙂 It's ALL a simple matter of BELIEVING, and OBEYING! And WHY we would NOT want to believe and obey a CRYSTAL CLEAR commandment of our Lord?? ...Wrapping our human minds around WHY Jesus wanted things to be done this particular way amounts to one of thoses "mysteries" of GOD, let's say! Nonetheless, His Command MUST have some specific spiritual SIGNIFICANCE to our salvation (Rom. 6, for instance??). Why ELSE would He even BOTHER with giving His disiples such SPECIFIC orders??! What ARROGANCE that "WE" mortals think that "WE" have ALL THE ANSWERS to how GOD thinks/works/moves!! Ha ha …Jesus said, "He that BELIEVETH and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 ..Plain enough!! If we want to call ourselves "BELIEVERS"; then, THIS (water baptism) is part of God's Plan, for our eternal salvation! Last thought on this 🙂 ... Sometimes, I think about the game of SOCCER; and the RULES of the game! Simply put: You move the ball across the playing field, with your FEET; NOT with your hands! ...Of course, you CAN move the ball across a playing field, using both your feet AND your hands, too! ...But THAT would be more akin to the game of rugby, or American football. But that WOULDN'T be "SOCCER", anymore!! Would it?? 🙂...NOT according to the RULES set out by the ORIGINATORS of the sport! So, WHY is it that NOBODY, in the WHOLE wide world, has the SLIGHTEST little problem with ACCEPTING and PLAYING BY THE RULE of this "SPORT", or any other(!); but when the Scriptures PLAINLY describe (AND prescribe) a couple of simple “RULES” of GOD’S Plan(!), everybody throws up their hands and yells: "THAT rule (a COMMAND of our Lord Jesus, no less) is totally ‘IRRELEVANT’! WE think it should be done like THIS (our OWN “rule”)!!” It BAFFLES the mind!! Ha ha Thanks for engaging!! ...There’s really nothing more I can add to the conversation, so I'll say "Bye!" 🙂 Take care!!
@@JesseMongia @JesseMongia No disagreement there!🙂 That, nevertheless, DOESN'T negate Jesus' Command to His disciples, in Matt. 28:19-20; wherein, He was obviously referring to WATER baptism, since it is GOD, Himself, that baptizes us with His Holy Spirit. ...And again, we have the EMPIRICAL evidence of the disciples being OBEDIENT to Jesus' teaching, throughout the Book of the Acts of the Apostles! Wherever Acts records the apostles delivering the message of Salvation, through Jesus Christ; to unbelievers AND believers, alike - in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE - WATER baptism (in the Name of Jesus Christ) was introduced [Jesus: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS, whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU..." Matt. 28:20a], AND water baptism (submersion) was ADMINISTERED! This is so FUNNY; because, there's ACTUALLY nothing here to "interpret", or even discuss! Water baptism, as part of God's Salvation Plan, for humandkind, is one of the EASIEST biblical concepts for ALL to visualize and grasp!! We can read for ourselves what Jesus said, and what the disciples later did; in OBEDIENCE to the Lord's teaching! "Piece of cake!!" 🙂 It's ALL a simple matter of BELIEVING, and OBEYING! And WHY we would NOT want to believe and obey a CRYSTAL CLEAR commandment of our Lord?? ...Wrapping our human minds around WHY Jesus wanted things to be done this particular way amounts to one of thoses "mysteries" of GOD, let's say! Nonetheless, His Command MUST have some specific spiritual SIGNIFICANCE to our salvation (Rom. 6, for instance??). Why ELSE would He even BOTHER with giving His disiples such SPECIFIC orders??! What ARROGANCE that "WE" mortals think that "WE" have ALL THE ANSWERS to how GOD thinks/works/moves!! Ha ha …Jesus said, "He that BELIEVETH and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 ..Plain enough!! If we want to call ourselves "BELIEVERS"; then, THIS (water baptism) is part of God's Plan, for our eternal salvation! Last thought on this 🙂 ... Sometimes, I think about the game of SOCCER; and the RULES of the game! Simply put: You move the ball across the playing field, with your FEET; NOT with your hands! ...Of course, you CAN move the ball across a playing field, using both your feet AND your hands, too! ...But THAT would be more akin to the game of rugby, or American football. But that WOULDN'T be "SOCCER", anymore!! Would it?? 🙂...NOT according to the RULES set out by the ORIGINATORS of the sport! So, WHY is it that NOBODY, in the WHOLE wide world, has the SLIGHTEST little problem with ACCEPTING and PLAYING BY THE RULE of this "SPORT", or any other(!); but when the Scriptures PLAINLY describe (AND prescribe) a couple of simple “RULES” of GOD’S Plan(!), everybody throws up their hands and yells: "THAT rule (a COMMAND of our Lord Jesus, no less) is totally ‘IRRELEVANT’! WE think it should be done like THIS (our OWN “rule”)!!” It BAFFLES the mind!! Ha ha Thanks for engaging!! ...There’s really nothing more I can add to the conversation, so I'll say "Bye!" 🙂 Take care!!
@@rayeband1863 yes you correct in saying it is God that gives you the BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit .It is a work that God does ,John 6:29 . I might add that it is at that instant of being born again with his Spirit that we are then in one body of Christ with all Christians . Paul asked if he that ministereth to you the Spirit and doeth miracles among you doeth he it by works of the law or by the hearing of faith? The point I am making is that a Christian becomes a Christian by hearing the word .The baptism of the Holy Spirit comes by hearing the word .Why then would you think that to be baptized in the name of Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit as in Great Commission is referring to liquid water baptism ?
1 peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: So it does'nt ! thanks for disagreeing with the bible
I grew up going to a church of Christ with my grandparents, and I remember my grandma saying many times that a person has to be baptized in order to be saved. It wasn't until about a year ago that I finally understood that it's not absolutely necessary for salvation (I'm now 42 years old). My mind has been changed because you just can't argue with Scripture! 😅 What drove the point home even further was what Jesus did for the thief on the cross beside Him. In the moments before that thief died, Jesus saved him. He wasn't taken down from his cross and baptized first, but he was told by our Savior that on that day, he would be in paradise with Him. ❤️
Amen, I was in the church of Christ too. Had to leave. Everything you said is truth! ❤
I believe you! 😂
I don’t even go to the temple, but I read the Bible, and it’s like magic; Jesus saved me from my vices, now I spend the night sleeping instead of consuming putrid poison.
I don’t have to believe, I know for a fact that God is real. I tried every single method to get clean, even institutionalization, and just READING the Bible saved me.
@@kabardino1337 amen!
Praise the Lord!! Rmans 10:9 explicitly states that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved. Those 2 thungs alone saves you and NOTHING ELSE! Not baptism, not communion, not all this extra stuff the churches try to make you do to "show or earn" your salvation. I thank the Lord Jesus that He has made being with Him so simple. He says we have to be like little children to believe and not put our own spin on it, as adults like to do.
Amen
WE are saved by GRACE alone! Amen! Don't worry about anything else
❤Amen♥️
The Bible says we're saved by grace through faith working through love. We must accept God's grace by faith and do what Jesus tells us. "Be not hearers but doers also."
@@chrissysvideos many who are grace alone believers - are going to be shocked when Jesus says, away from me you evil doers.’ Matt 7
Sola Fide, by faith alone we are saved.
@@jamesalgeo6251 faith without deeds is like a dead man without a soul. Why do you think Martin Luther ripped the book of James from his Bible? 😝
Lies again? Grab Grammy Berita Minggu
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
I am so thankful to be saved 😊 I am by grace through faith in Christ alone i am very thankful for 1 Corinthians 12 : vers 13 and colossians 2: vers 10 Hallelujah, Jesus ❤
Interesting. I didn't even know that many people believed that you needed to dunk your head in the water to be saved because the blood of Jesus wasn't enough to atone for their sins.
It wasn't according to scripture. Is REPENTANCE necessary for REMISSION of SINS. Yes, oh not just the blood? KJV says FAITH in the physical blood of Jesus for REMISSION OF SINS is also necessary, so now faith is necessary for remission of SINS. The Pharisees refused John's repentance water baptism for remission of SINS and were damned because of refusing water baptism for remission of sins. SPECULATION that the thief wasn't water baptized is not confirmed by scripture. I can speculate the thief was previously a Jew and was baptized by John for remission of SINS and he fell and was caught as a thief. Scripture confirms JESUS WAS WATER BAPTIZED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE. So your going to tell Jesus he should have never led you astray to believe that Acts 2:38 must be obeyed to be born of the water and then you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Born of the water and Spirit, not just the physical blood. God challenges you to get a KJV bible and look up the 11 verses that use the word remission, remit and remitted. Make the list of 4 requirements for remission of SINS. Here is the list. John says I have the authority to remit or retain your SINS. I can only do that by refusing to water baptize you as Acts 2:38 commands, EVERYONE OF YOU BE WATER BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS. Read it dude. Jesus was water baptized for righteousness sake and you do not? Really. If your a homosexual I will refuse to water baptize you and your sin is RETAINED.
SIMPLE LIST please verify and teach.
1) the physical blood of Jesus for remission of SINS
2) faith in the physical blood for remission of SINS
3) repentance for remission of SINS and FINALLY to be born of the water
4)Acts 2:38 EVERYONE OF YOU BE WATER BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS.
This is the true doctrine by a true divinely called teacher, that would be me, not these boneheaded false teachers that speculate and subtracts 3 requirements from scripture for remission of SINS. So obey Acts 2:38 to be born again of the water and Spirit, or don't obey and your SINS are not remitted. Sheezz dude study. Your literate right? All any true teacher needs to tell you read the 11 verses in KJV and make the list of 4 requirements for remission of SINS. Do it, and you will save many souls. You can baptize your family and friends correctly. You take your wife into the water and say upon your confession and faith in the blood of Jesus for remission of SINS and repentance for remission of SINS you are water baptized INTO THE NAME OF JESUS FOR REMISSION OF SINS. Pray Father give my wife your Holy Spirit. Your wife is now BIBLICALLY BORN AGAIN OF THE WATER AND SPIRIT. SIMPLE. PEACE OUT. ❤
@@robertvann7349 Father, May the Holy Spirit dwell in us and lead us in this discussion.
Dude, you have an angry and resentful spirit dictating for you. Should you repent for anger? Would saying, "I'm sorry for my sin of anger, Father forgive me." exsolve your sin or would it take acknowledgment and subsequent guilt of sin for true repentance? Saying words does nothing, brother. It's the involuntary guilt that consumes you whereas you feel bad for doing it. Yes, I am literate, I do study, and I use the KJV to do so. I am very familiar with the verses in fact and would appreciate it if you'd keep your assumptions of me to yourself and open your ear. Born of water is your physical birth from the womb. There is nothing in Acts 2:28 or in John 3:3-5 that suggest otherwise. I believe people see what they want to see. I'm not concerned with changing your mind or persuading you either way. I am sure it'd be moot. However, I will correct you for the sake of anyone reading what you wrote. First off:
Acts 2:38
King James Version
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The word water is not in that verse. You added it, friend. Why? Be careful we will be judged on how we minister and on our motivating factor behind doing so.
Second but one of the most arrogant statements from a brother in Christ is how you've claimed to hold the power to forgive or deny repentance by forgoing a baptism. You claim you need to be baptized in water for the remission of sins then boldly claim you have to power to deny that to someone. Jesus died for our sins. He's the only way to the Father. Jesus is the Passover, our salvation, the redeemer, and the only one with the power to forgive sin. You, sir, have no such power and I rebuke you for believing otherwise.
Lastly, we are saved by grace and faith so that no man may boast. Nowhere in scripture does it say baptism by water is required for salvation. If you've assumed that it's probably due to an itchy ear.
Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Most Christians, for most of history, have assumed that a person is baptized to become a Christian. The 'asking God into your heart with a prayer,' wasn't widely practiced until the 1800s and the rise of revivalism.
@@nlaw5268 That's interesting. Paul, among many, rebuked those practicing salvation through works and warned against adding to the blood atonement as it's idolatry. Thank you for the information.
@@somethingwitty44 So it seems that Paul doesn't see baptism in the same way as you. Right in the middle of Romans, a letter teaching about salvation and Faith, Paul describes Baptism a person being buried with Christ (Romans 6) and being raised with Christ. He makes no clarification that it is symbol of something that happened previously (or warns people not to connect it to becoming a Christian). The chapter assumes it is the point a person switched from one identity to another. It is by faith a person saved, but at what point? The New Testament assumes that baptism is the way a person says, "Yes!" to Jesus. You believe that person must say a prayer to 'ask Jesus into their heart'. That is something a person does. Baptism is always a passive verb in New Testament. Meaning it is something done to you, not something you do (you can't baptize yourself). The response of faith to baptism is the same as what Mary said the angel, "Allow it be done to me according to your promise."
Thankyou for sharing this extremely important truth because many believe baptism is necessary for salvation and it's stumbling and confusing many who are seeking as well as those who are new or weak in the faith. May Holy Spirit open eyes.
Blessings to you🕊
First Peter 3:21 says: “Baptism, is now SAVING you.” Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples MUST GET BAPTIZED! (Matthew 28:19,20)
In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Baptism is the work of Christ Jesus, the Father's only begotten Son, it's not the work of men apart from Him. Jesus instituted the sacrament of Baptism by being baptized by John, in order to fulfill all righteousness, and we are to do the same. We must be baptized AND believe (follow) to be saved. Scripture is clear on this! And the exception of the "good thief" does not nullify the rule. That's why it's an exception and not the norm.
In Christ,
Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 If you are not talking about water baptism, you should say so. The only baptism that can come before (really, with) belief is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, by which we believe the death of Jesus Christ slaughtered Him in our place for our sin that we may have new life by His resurrection, then that belief is followed by water baptism as we begin to follow Him.
@@deanfry879 Amen!
It's important but not essential for salvation. I think you guys did a great job explaining it. Amen.
I heard a good saying, "Stop reading Bible verses, start reading Bible passages!😊
💯 percent true
This had always worried me. I was baptized at 12 but not with real seriousness. Our whole Sunday school class did it together because no one wanted to be left out. I was told to do it again but as I am now disabled and unable to get out to go to church, it can't happen.
Thanks for this explanation. It's a big comfort.
You may not be totally out of options to be baptized. There is no reason someone could not come to you to perform the baptism, and if the preferred method of immersion is not possible, there is the option of baptism by sprinkling.
You do not need to be baptized. Romans 10:9 tells what you need to do in order to be saved. Pray and talk to Jesus; ask the Holy Spirit to show you in scripture the truth so no one can be a stumbling block to you.
@@tampamabins2868 You don't have or receive the Holy Ghost till after you've been baptized according to scripture.. Even Satan knows that... 😅
I'm not sure why people think baptism is a work. In Acts 2, whenever all the people listened to Peters Sermon and were baptized, what does it say in verse Acts 2: 47: "praising God and having favor with all the people. AND THE LORD added to the church daily those who were being saved."
It is an act of God that people were saved. Repentance, belief, baptism, obedience is ALL part of faith.
Colossians 2: 11- 12 also says:
Colossians 2:11 NKJV
In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him THROUGH faith IN THE WORKING OF GOD, who raised Him from the dead."
Salvation is a gift from God. We can't save ourselves no matter how many good things we do. Christ is who saves. In that baptism is WHEN we are saved. That is when we contact the blood of Jesus and participate in His death, burial and ressurection. Like the old Hymn goes....
"What can wash away may sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus"
We don't participate physically in Christ Blood sacrifice when He died to save us. You are misinterpreting Colossians 2
Jesus explains it simply to Thomas in John 20:26-31. Also salvation is a free gift.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8
And Peter Baptism in Acts 2:38 was for the "House of Israel" to reject there generation for killing the Messiah (Jesus Christ) Read verse 40. or read my comment below.
The Baptism in Acts 2:38 has nothing to do with being "Correctly Baptized." When you keep reading to verse 40: "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Peter is warning this generation, because of Crucifying the Messiah (Christ) they would suffer with others who didn't Repent. Some 40 years later, 1.2 million Jews Died when the Temple was destroyed by the Roman Empire. The Jewish believers were able to escape a few years earlier by heeding the Words Jesus had said about the future destruction.
PETER, talking to the House of Israel say's "Save Yourselves". That is not the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ. Peter was telling them to REPENT and be saved from this "untoward" (crooked; perverse) generation. This generation that would Perish along with the Destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Matthew 23:34-36. LUKE 19:41-44.
Also you will see the same action from Paul, who is told by Ananias saying; "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" in Acts 22:16. No one can (wash away their own sins) for Eternal Life. SHALOM...
Why was the Jailer baptised at midnight by the Apostles in Acts?
I was baptised as a baby, not understanding what this was all about. When I became more proficient in God's Word and saw that Jesus set the example of submerging by John the Baptist to receive the Holy Spirit in His FULLNESS, did I understand the importance of the full baptism. Now, if that was extremely important for Jesus, how much more is it not for us. I went ahead and were fully baptised, and I am not a day, sorry.
Thanks for such an insightful video. But to say baptism is not necessary for salvation is to say a wedding ceremony is not necessary for a marriage life.
Baptism is the wedding and the pledge to live right and be faithful to Christ Jesus. This does not mean we are always going to be faithful to our pledge [that is where Grace comes in], but with baptism we have a reference point.
I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding.
Read Romans 10:9 and show me where it says baptism is necessary to be saved. I am asking in love (I hate text sometimes because the language can come across as having attitude or something:)
@tampamabins2868 Hello Sister,
I did not base my position on just one verse of the Bible. To appreciate my position, you must read the Bible in its entirety, and pray for understanding. That is the only way we can fully comprehend and appreciate it's beauty. Ie, it's seemingly contradiction and it's harmony.
In Acts 8:26-38, You can see in this story that the eunuch did not only believe the resurrection of The Lord Jesus, but he also confessed The Lord Jesus with his mouth. And he was baptized by phil afterward.
.. And Philip said, If you believe from all your heart, you will be saved. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.. And he ordered the chariot to stand still, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him [Acts 8:37-38].
I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding.
Shalom!
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Taking a text out of context has led to a lot of misunderstanding and confusion in the church.
Every single ritual and sacrament in the Bible, all the way from the old testament to the new is symbolic and important. If we take one apart, everything else falls apart. Water baptism symbolises the pledge of a good conscience towards God [1 Pt. 3:21].
A good conscience excercised in our faith in Christ Jesus leads to sanctification, and sanctification leads to salvation. There is no salvation without sanctification. That is the lie of the doctrine of grace [Rom. 6:1, Phil. 2:12].
Two people can genuinely love eachother and choose to live together and have a family together without a wedding ceremony. And they will go on to live a happy life together. But the relationship was never formalized. If they get bored of eachother and choose to break up, there was never any commitment between them.
But Christ wants us to have a commited relationship with Him. The Bible is all about Christ and His lover. The Church [Ref. Songs of Solomon]. All the blood rituals of the old testament, and the sacraments of the old and new testament was to bind us to this relationship.
In summary, water baptism foreshadows the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit to be able to live a righteous life. Not to "speak in tongues" and talk gibberish in church, even a dog can do that. But if we can speak in tongues, INTERPRETE and edify the church, that is a bonus to the Church [1 Cor. 14]. However, the purpose of the church is to be an example and the light in a very dark world, through righteous living, peaceful living and joyful living. All through the person of the Holy Spirit [Rom. 14:17], and to the glory of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus.
Shalom!
@William Unless we become like little children, we will never inherit the Kingdom of God. We try to overcomplicate the Word, add to it, and put human interpretation to it instead of seeing it for what it is. We cannot do one part of that scripture without the other. Confess with your mouth, AND believe God raised Him from the dead. You cannot be saved by one part and not the other. Because Jesus Himself said these words, it is ALL I need to know on how to be saved. The rest is in the scriptures. Please dont overcomplicate the Word to be a yoke on those who dont know the Lord yet.
@tampamabins2868
Three points:
1]"Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth" is not a direct quotation of the Lord Jesus, they are the words of the apostle Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2] In Acts 6, you can see that the Ethiopian Eunuch [a New Convenant Christian] believed in his heart, and confessed with his mouth, nonetheless Phillip [under the instructions of the Holy Spirit] baptised him.
"And Philip said, If you believe from all your heart, you will be saved. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God". And he ordered the chariot to stand still, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him [Acts 8:37-38].
3] I could pull up a million more references, but then again I don't really know much. But I know enough to know that it is the Holy Spirit that does the conviction.
"And, when I came to you, brothers, I came not according to excellence of speech or of wisdom, announcing to you the mystery of God (..) My speech and my proclamation were not in persuasive words of wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. In order that your faith would not stand in the wisdom of men but in the power of God".
I pray the Holy Spirit helps our understanding.
Shalom!
Salvation is not connected to OUR works, It is most definitely connected to GOD’s work.
Ephesians 2 explains this perfectly
Jesus said Unless a man is born out of water and out of Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven
Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
Well this should be interesting... I work with someone who believes this!
Taking notes now. 🙂
I will pray for this conversation, first that you will be gentle, and that God will stir the other person's heart to listen, which would be, for lack of a better word, a miracle.
Great job brothers!!!🙏❤️.
I agree 100%!!!❤️.
You summarized your issue. You say, "God teaches salvation is by grace and faith alone so all these passages (more than 2 dozen) that seem to teach that baptism as the normal of becoming a disciple can't possibly mean that." Your system doesn't allow a person to read scripture naturally.
Nothing except God’s grace and forgiveness over a repentant sinner is necessary for salvation but I’m always a little suspicious of healthy able-bodied “believers” who don’t willingly and gratefully publicly confess their salvation through baptism. Jesus was baptized so obviously it’s an important step of obedience; much like regularly taking communion. These rituals don’t cause salvation but truly saved hearts should long to follow the example of the Savior. Fruits of the spirit should be obvious in saved people. Just my humble opinion. 💜🙏
Very well said! I agree 💯 I’m also suspect of people who don’t serve, don’t give, and still speak and act exactly like they did prior to being “saved”. The Bible is clear we are a new creation with a renewed mind and there is evident fruit of the Spirit! 💜🙏
I was on board with most of what they were saying until the one guy said he has serious doubts that everything after mark chapter 16 verse 8 shouldn't possibly even be in the bible. Does he have any idea the kind of confusion & doubt he introduces to the minds of a believer (or worse, someone who is not saved) regarding the validity of the Bible? Making statements like that can cause and have caused so much doubt in Believers and non-believers alike.
I understand that the earlier versions of the Bible are supposedly different than some of the add-ons later in history but I think if God did not want that in the bible, he would have seen to it that it was not there. So as of this point whether they're speaking truth or not, I can't take anything they say serious when they themselves doubt whether or not scripture is God inspired or not!
How did people get saved for The 57 years prior to Paul writing Romans? Paul didn't write Romans until 57 AD.
Did Peter quote Romans 10:9 on the day of Pentecost?
Acts 2:37, the new believers asked a question,and Peter answered them. Being baptized doesn't cancel out grace. I see baptism as an integral aspect of repentance.
Not just Acts 2:38. Every example of new converts in Acts, they got baptized, right away,spontaneously without delay.
I had a guy from a 'non-denominational' (yeah) Church of Christ pressuring me on the phone about baptism being necessary for salvation after I explained I was baptized in 1985. He seemed alarmed that I didn't believe it was necessary for salvation. Apparently even if you're baptized, it's not enough to be saved unless you ALSO BELIEVE it's necessary for salvation. These people are really nuts! I asked them if baptism is found in every book of the NT but I should have asked them if it's found everywhere that the requirements for salvation are explained because in most cases it's not. Interesting not you did not bring up: The 27 books of the New Testament were not assembled together until possibly 2-3 centuries later. This means there were separate books in circulation that mentioned salvation by repentance and faith in Christ, but not about baptism. This is part of why consistency in scripture is so critically important.
Me David I was baptised in church as a child in a Welsh Church , Years later I strayed many miles from The Lord , but He had gone nowhere , it was me that had moved away ! I was at the Jordan River in Israel just before covid , I know IU wanted to be baptized there BUT a tonne of Canadians or Americans descended on the place in a bus party , so they hogged the place pretty much lol ! Anyway IF God Jesus wanted me to baptized there and then , he would have launched me in those waters ! We are NOT saved by anything we do , but ALL that He did for us Amen !!
A lot of people point to Acts 2, but in Acts 10 and 11 when the gentiles received the Holy Spirit prior to baptism, it’s clear that the apostles remembered the baptism that saves them is the baptism of the Holy Spirit John prophesied about when he said “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Fast forward to Acts 13: “Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
Acts 13:38-39
Then I’m acts 15 it says:
“having cleansed their hearts by faith”
Then acts 16:30:
“And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Once you realize that the baptism that saves us is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, scriptures like Mark 16:16 “he who believes and is baptized will be saved” sound a lot more like the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
An interesting point that will help some people. The weakness is "baptism" means by water unless specified otherwise.
@@deanfry879 but the thing is.. all gospel accounts technically specify otherwise whenever they make a distinction between John’s baptism (water) and Jesus baptism (the Holy Spirit). I believe the great commission in Matthew 28 refers to water baptism, which is why the apostles water baptize and I believe all believers should get baptized in obedience. But whenever Jesus refers to baptism as something that saves like in Mark 16:16 or in Colossians 2 where it says it gives us new life I believe it’s referencing the Holy Spirit especially since it calls it a circumcision made “without hands.” Or Ephesians 4 where it says there is one baptism and one spirit. If Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit and his followers have one baptism, then to me that one baptism has to refer to the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the baptism the Gentiles received in Acts 10/11 prior to water baptism.
And after Acts 16:30 that man's entire household was baptized. Read everything that's there!
We have faith (trust in the Lord) that baptism is necessary because He was and told us to do the same. Trust in what the Lord has said about salvation, and don't lean on the exception of the good thief!
In Christ,
Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 Yes he was water baptized after that. The question is was the water baptism what saved him, or if his salvation was based on his belief in verse 30. There are numerous passages that point to us being justified by faith apart from works.
I do think all believers should get baptized as their first act of obedience after believing because yes Jesus commands it and we should be obedient if we are true believers. But in my opinion, when we equate baptism with a work of righteousness we have to do to be saved, we are falling into the same trap as the Jews who were looking to be justified by something they did. Now I do believe what James says in 2:20 that faith without works is dead, but that just means true faith will produce works. But if we’re saved by grace then it can’t be any work that actually saves us.
“And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.”
Romans 11:6
“Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”
Galatians 3:2-3
@@Seekingchristdaily As I stated before, baptism is a work of our Lord Jesus. It's not a work of men or a work of the law. We are to be baptized AND believe (follow). That's not an either or, it's a both and.
In Christ,
Andrew
Yes you have to be Baptised. Acts 10 ; 48. Apostle Peter said
You can now say that you have convinced someone from the church of Christ that baptism is not for forgiveness of sins. I have struggled with this topic for decades and have been praying fervently for clarity. I heard it today in your message. The part that seems most important to me is that if baptism were necessary for salvation, it would be mentioned in every instance of how to obtain salvation.
This doesn't work. Faith isn't mentioned in every conversion passage either, or the Holy Spirit (both of which are part of salvation). Most passage just assume that baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple. It's the most natural reading of Acts 2:38, Acts 8, Acts 8, Romans 6, 1 Peter 3:21, and many, many more. Asking Jesus 'into your heart with a prayer,' is something that is not widely done until the 1800s and the rise of revivalism.
@claryndalewis4061, you have no idea how mistaken these guys are.
"You can not disprove a subject that is not mentioned in the passage."
No, baptism does not have to be mentioned in every verse that speaks of salvation. Because baptism "does also now save us."
Thank you for this topic. I would like to share my faith. For me I do not look at baptism as "my work" and It wasn't taught to me that way either. In fact it is God's work in me and will for me. It is Him who worked in me to do it.
▪︎I was baptized into Christ 1993 and that was the day I was adopted as one of His sons and welcomed into His family. I was "added" (Acts 2:41) I did it as a response to God's amazing grace and love for me thru Jesus dying on the cross. (Acts 2:23) This is the message I am sharing to my friends and to whoever will listen.
▪︎2 pastors: one pastor tells someone to go into a room and pray a sinners prayer and accept Jesus into his heart and he/she is then a born again (saved) and instructed him/her to join a Bible church. The other pastor said to someone, if he/she wants to be a follower of Christ, to turn away from his/her old self (repentance) and be baptized (Acts 2:38) to become a child of God. **One can say the former pastor's instruction is not a "work" while the later is a "work"? What is the difference?
▪︎What if I do not pray and accept Jesus into my heart..am I saved? What if I do not change my ways, repent & got baptized?..am I saved?
I am saved by God's grace through faith (Eph 2:8). So what if I have no FAITH..am I saved? (Heb 11:6)..What if I do not believed..am I saved? (Mark 16:16)
Majority on the streets says they believed in Jesus. So they are saved? Even the demons believed? Are they saved?
▪︎Faith is not only my intellectual belief on God. (James 2:9 John 8:31).
Conclusion:
♡: Believing, Praying Jesus and accepting Him into my heart and turning away from my idolatry/sins (Gal 5:19-20) and be baptized are both needed for me to receive Jesus salvation. They are not a "work" for me to earn it but to receive it. They are my responses to Gods free gift of salvation. God is giving it to me but I have to respond by going and receiving it. In One word: FAITH (Is this a work?)
▪︎YES i did it because of the salvation Jesus is giving me not because I am already saved. Gods grace is making salvation available for everyone ..but everyone has to go and receive it. (Faith)..without a response from you, salvation is only available for you but it is not yet in you. Otherwise it will only be one way relationship. (Mat 22:37)
***One more thing: Baptism is participation in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus (Rom 6:5). In Baptism- A promise is given that we too will resurrect and live with him in eternity. Jesus, while hanging on the Cross along with 2 criminals, is still alive. He can forgive people anywhere: in the streets, home, temple or in the shore. He has the authority to do it (Mat 9:6) Only after He died, buried and resurrected that baptism is commanded. (Matthew 28:18-20)..so it is necessary. I did it not as a ritual or religious ceremony but bec Jesus said so. It can become a ritual if baptism is done without repentance. (Luke 24:47) 🙏
@larryballes6972.did you receive the Spirit by baptism or by HEARING the word ?
@larrybales6972 You mentioned in yer comment that even the evil spirits believe . The difference between them and Christians that believe is that in John 6:29 , a Christians belief is put there by a WORK of God. In other words a person doesn't manufacturer Godly belief on their own .Plus a Christians belief is living faith that will have good works which God has prepared beforehand for us .
@larryballes6972 , faith or belief' is a work but John 6:29 says it is a work of God that you believe in him whom he sent. So it is God's work and not any humans work .
@larryballes6972 , there is a baptism of the Holy Spirit besides water baptism.And Ro.6 does not mention water anywhere in chapter 6 . Therefore Romans chapter 6 is not a good example of water baptism. There are many different baptisms in scripture as Jesus referred to the cross as a baptism he was straightened till it was done in Mathew .
I think it all boils down to several questions," Who is your final authority in ALL things? " "Who would you believe over anyone else in the whole world?" If your answer is anything or anyone else rather than God and His Word then you are going to get it wrong. If God says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9) then there is NOTHING else we can do other than believe and receive His gift of salvation. We can't earn grace. I don't see anywhere in Scriptures that we are to believe AND be baptized to be saved. To be saved we are to believe in in our hearts in Jesus and His Gospel only. I see we are to be baptized as a witness and symbol that we have died and resurrected in Jesus. We have died to our old man and risen in newness of life through Jesus. I'll take God at His word over anyone or anything else. If not, then it is time to chuck it all in and live according to the hopelessness and insanity of this world.
If yall want to do an **episode going over editing**
I would love to learn more. I sometimes feel like I could say less when I’m talking to others or when I’m making a post- I got some tips from Kevin (the managing editor)(the man on the right) in a previous episode- but if he wants to dive in and give advice on editing I would truly appreciate it and hopefully use it as a useful tool in sharing the gospel. Thank you for the help yall give.
Excellent teaching on this very controversial subject.
Thank you so much for your ministry which helps us to know the scriptures well that we may share the truth in Love.
If you don't think we need to be baptized, then don't get baptized.
I just don't see anyone in the earlybchurch trying to dance around water baptism. Every example of people being saved, they were baptized spontaneously without delay, and The Apostles were actually with Jesus.
Why did Jesus tell them to Baptize, in the great commission?
I'm pretty sure the thief 0n the cross was never baptized.
That's not written in the Bible. He may have even been one who was baptised by John. You can't prove he was or wasn't baptised.
But Jesus himself spoke the words of salvation to him. There's nothing more certain than that. Most of us will never see Jesus in the flesh speaking to us saying "Amen, this day you'll be with me in paradise". That's a most rare event recorded only once in history.
He didn't have to be baptized! Jesus saved him! God can do anything he wants.
I always think of the conflicting views that we may extract from the Word of God must surely have been by Divine design, as although we argue the points which can lead to some serious divisions, on the other hand it is these very areas within the Word of God that receive greater focus and lead many to dig deeper into the Scriptures.
Do you perhaps also think the tensions in the text draw you to greater understanding of some very key Biblical points that may otherwise have been glossed over by most of us?
Yes!!!
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Interesting question to consider…thank you for sharing this information.
Why not take the word as it is instead of trying to put your own meaning to the it.
Very interesting. Never thought of this before. I always thought you must be baptized. This is a very difficult topic to take on. Thanks for your insight.
I have to say that these red letters: 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God' - carry some weight toward needing baptism.
The way I see it- if you have the ability to, you should. If somehow you cannot, then it would not prevent you from entering.
I think I agree with not necessary to be saved. Would you recommend people to skip baptism?
There are no examples of anyone having their sins washed away after Jesus died without being baptized.
what are you trusting for your salvation that a great point also Pual did not mention it in 1 corinthians 15 1-4 .
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Baptism is a command.
Salvation comes by FAITH, by acknowledging what Jesuschrist did on the CROSS of the Calvary.
@kiwiburciaga did you receive the Holy Spirit by baptism or by hearing the word ?
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9 "8 for by grace you have been saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God, 9 Not of works, lest anyone should boast." Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, Christ alone, to the glory of God alone. Scripture takes precedence over opinions, experiences, and traditions!
Acts 22:16
Paul getting baptized .
The same Paul who wrote Romans,Galations, Corinthians, Ephesians.
whoa on Acts 16:31 being false doctrine. You can’t say that one passage of Paul is false as that opens the door to invalidate any scripture. But agreed that it has more to do with the gentiles coming to faith at the time
Praise GOD 🙏🏼
John 21:25
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
Thank you !!! ❤❤❤❤❤
Amen GQ. I believe the same. We are saved by grace through faith. The bible is very clear.
What about the thief on the cross? Jesus said he would be with Him that day in paradise and he was never baptized.
I think it's just a case of people taking scriptures out of context and reading more into it than what it is.
Maybe not. Whatever one does, he does to the Glory of God. If someone believes that is what seals his faith, let him do it to the Glory of the Lord. That person has to seek truth for himself, right? So even when different churches are teaching different things, a man must still examine himself and the food he is being fed. You are right, churches do teach other things for lack of understanding, bu it is up to the person attending to descern what they are being taught and ask for wisdom.
Some of what you all said is accurate, but MOST of the passages used in this video was explained out of their contexts by yourselves as well. 😓 It's neither extreme. Repentance and loving God is nowhere stated in many of those passages but none of you will say that an individual is saved without repenting or loving God... so sadly, you contradict yourselves. And nowhere does the bible say by Grace or faith "ALONE". True faith (not mere belief) will act and submit to Christ and his commands (MATTHEW 7:21-23). Peace and Blessings
It sure is. Jesus stated so. I think in The cross, there’s grace in allowance of time of the thief on the cross. Sometimes people are dying and become a believer right as they are dying. But Jesus clearly said we must be washed of our sins. He made it a command to fulfill complete righteousness.
Martin Luther, who was the original reformer, and the theologian who pioneered the doctrine of Sola Fida and Sola Scriptura was also a staunch supporter of the necessity and saving power of baptism. I believe firmly that his arguments are correct, and that the arguments in this video are wrong. I will try to do justice to Luther's arguments but I strongly suggest people spend time reading his own explanations.
What is the meaning of Sola Fide? You are saved by faith apart from any works of the law. This means that faith is passive. You can contribute nothing to your salvation. To understand this fully you must understand that faith is an external process that God is working on you. To repent means to be "turned around" and God is the active person who is turning you around. This also means that you were never saved by your "decision" for Christ. It's the opposite. You were saved by HIS decision for you. In other words, God is doing the work to save you by giving you faith against your own sinful will. He does this through his means of grace: preaching the Gospel, the proclamation of forgiveness, the sacraments etc, and the Holy Spirit who enables you to believe in them.
Does baptism save? The correct answer is 100% yes. You do not baptize yourself, therefore it is not your work, nor is baptism any type of human work. It is, in fact, God's work. To deliver baptism properly is to deliver God's true promise that your sins are forgiven. This promise is given in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not in the name of the believer, the pastor, or the church. It is God's (not the pastor's) true promise and God's true work, not any human work.
Is Baptism necessary? Think of it this way. Is the Gospel necessary for salvation? The answer is 100% yes. But how can that be, since preaching the Gospel is a work? The answer is that when the Gospel is preached, it is God's words being proclaimed and the Holy Spirit acting on the person so they may believe. God "works" through the preacher and the Holy Spirit to deliver his true promise. We call this God's "means of grace". This is the same for baptism. In fact, we should understand baptism as the gospel being delivered in a sacramental form. So, because baptism saves, it is therefore necessary.
What if I can not be baptized? Baptism saves and it is necessary. However, God does have the power and mercy to forgive sins even when baptism is withheld by the wicked or made impossible by circumstance (like the thief on the cross). When an unbaptized person dies we commend them to God's mercy. While we don't know for certain if the thief was baptized or not, we know he was saved because he believed in Christ's promise, which is the same promise delivered to you in Baptism. If however, baptism is offered, and you refuse, you are then proving yourself to be a non-believer, because Christ who you claim to believe in, commands baptism and you are to trust in Christ. So another way of looking at it is Christ commands you to receive and trust in his promise of salvation through baptism.
Where is it written?
1 Peter 1:21 - Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ
(keywords: "now saves you", "appeal to God", "good conscience") A "good conscience" means faithfulness. Baptism is not done because you believe. It is done as an appeal to God to MAKE you into a believer. This is also why it is good to baptize infants.
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
(keywords: "born of water and Spirit", "cannot enter") Baptism is water combined with the Holy Spirit which promises salvation and creates faith. "Cannot enter" means it is necessary for salvation.
Acts 2:38 - And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(keywords: "Forgiveness of Sin", "receive the gift of the Holy Spirit") Baptism washes away sin (unbelief) and gives the Holy Spirit which creates faith.
Mark 16:16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
(keywords: "will be saved") Baptism is unified with faith and saves.
Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
(keywords: "All Nations" ) Children are included in all nations. Also notice that making disciples begins with baptism and then is followed by teaching.
Romans 6:3-4 - Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
(keywords: "Death", "Newness of Life" ) Baptism kills the old self and creates a new person in faith, i.e. it creates faith
Titus 3:5 - He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
(keywords: "not because of works done by us", "washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit" ) Baptism is God's work to wash away sins (unbelief) and create renewal in the Holy Spirit (faith)
Anyone therefore who says baptism does not save and is not necessary is accusing Christ and the Apostles of not speaking the truth.
2:05 Shea is mistaken, baptism is not everything for us Jesus Christ is. Baptism is washing away your sins by surrendering to our Father in heaven and rebuking sin.
If baptism is the washing away of sins, then Jesus did not do it by His blood. Baptism is purely symbolic and ceremonial, a public declaration of identification with Jesus Christ, as a good symbol should be. Don't be so quickly upset that you say things you do not really mean.
If it's not essential why do it?
John 1: 33 Yes we are baptized with the Holy Ghost..like born again...the water thing is nice, but dangerous if you think it is required. So the people who think we must be baptized are correct, they just are defining baptism incorrect, this stuff is not difficult people ❤
Matthew 28:18
What did Jesus mean when he said after he had been resurrected
“ All power and authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth go therefore, and make disciples baptizing in the Father end of the Son of the Holy Spirit?
I don’t believe baptism is for salvation, but Jesus did say to do it.
During the last supper, Jesus said due to some remembrance of me communion is not for salvation either.
Many Christians partake and communion many call festival of freedom.
NO! if people argue u must b baptised, ask them about the thief on the cross scenario!!
If you can be baptized you should
Now do I think that someone who repents and cant be baptized are lost ..no ....but those who go out of their way too say baptizm doesnt matter i would question their heart their purpose ...
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One of my pet peeves… “I hope he was baptized before he died”. Romans 10.
If baptizes was not important why did Jesus send His apostles to baptize the people ? Just before Jesus went to Heaven He send the m to baptize the people ( Matthew 28: 19)
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I feel like God sent me to this video. I was baptized as a baby, grew up going to church then went on with life, marriage, children ect. On August 23, 2022 at age 67 I am totally saved through grace and eager to read the bible to learn everything I can about our Lord Jesus. Then I watched a youtube video from a Pastor up in OR. and he said being baptized as a baby doesn't count. Well that sent my head spinning. I don't belong to a church because of agendas I don't believe in. So again thank you for this, I really needed to hear this and I truly believe I was lead to your site. Praise the Lord!
Romans 11:6 says grace is not obtained by works which is true we obtained grace because GOD is good not because OUR works are good. But that doesn’t mean once we obtain grace through faith that GODly works aren’t required of us. Ephesians 2 tells us we are ordained for good works
Baptism isn't a work that you do for God, it is a work of God's done to you.
@@jzak5723 I never denied that
@@DuaneXplain
Ok, I misunderstood
Plus, if baptizing was part of salvation, then churches would have a baptismal being hauled with them while knocking doors and sharing the salvation gospel of Jesus Christ.
Its the obedience to God, its in Bible Acts 2
Amen
Faith with out works is dead and works with out faith is dead.
I agree with the first part of the argument that it is baptism is not always required for salvation. Even so, in a a general context it is to be done even more so for the commands/10 commandments of God.
That is true, the thief on the cross is one example of a situation where his baptism was impossible, but generally speaking, baptism is required of Christians and therefore it does play a part in your salvation along with your faith obviously.
@@jzak5723The command of baptism wasn't given till after resurrection. So the thief didn't have to be baptized
@@rosali9707
I never said he did.
@@jzak5723 you can't use his example as a case for where baptism is impossible as there was no command at that point.
I'm not saying baptism is necessary for baptism. And I completely agree that baptism is a commandment that needs to be obeyed.
Just the thief on the cross can't be used as an example
@@rosali9707
Well, it is an example and it isn't, depending on who's asking the question, if you follow me. We know that baptism for Christians is a command from the Lord (post-resurrection), but at the same time, we know there are people who are saved but never were baptized, Moses, Abraham, the thief, etc, etc, etc. So the thief is an example of someone who was not baptized, but still was saved, that's all I'm saying. Some people use the thief as an example that no Christians NEED to be baptized to be saved, and that simply isn't true.
NO !
Matthew 28. 16 20. Not belong ? Strange. I guess with 77 verses on baptism we should do it following our profession of faith JUST IN CASE JESUS WAS EXPLICIT IN HIS COMMAND
No one believes that if you fail to get baptized before you die, that's it for you. However, if you refuse to get baptized and pretend that it does nothing and is purely symbolic, then you're a heretic. Sorry.
You phrased yourself in a way making it seem you believe symbolism does nothing. If that was your intention, not so. Symbolism teaches, proclaims, identifies, and/or gives honor to the person of interest and/or the witnesses. Baptism is purely symbolic, but there is no reason to take a person seriously as a believer if they do not get baptised, if baptism is possible in some way.
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"Belief" results in action. How do we know if one believes? An outward demonstration of what you believe. If one believes in Christ they will demonstrate by following Christ by being baptized. Too often church leaders teach that "belief" means you intellectualized Christ in your mind and heart and it stops there.
@Qodeshim1983 , Christ was asked by what authority did he have to cleans the temple of money changers. He had authority by being High Priest when he was baptized by John the Baptist in Jordan River .Old Testament law says to be blessed a High Priest, you must be anointed by Levite Priest which John the Baptist was and after the anointing you cleansed clothes and body in water . John's baptism was for repentance and remission of sin which Jesus had none . So Jesus did not get baptized for this as sinful people do . Jesus got baptized by John for righteousness ,meaning to be High Priest and testified by two witnesses, the dove/holy Spirit and the voice of Father from heaven. This gave Jesus the authority to cleans the temple of money changers. His authority came from heaven.
Jesus said to the man on the cross next to him "today you will be with me in paradise". (Luke Chapter 23 Verse 43). Had this man been water baptized???
Water baptism happens because someone has been saved. Water baptism doesn't save.
The recent coronation happened because Charles is now the King. The coronation didn't make Charles the King. Charles became the King when his mother - Queen Elizabeth the Second - died.
A coronation for William or George would be nonsense as neither of them are King.
Jesus died on the cross for our sins and salvation. In Hebrew 5:9 says And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey them. Jesus (GOD) told the apostles to teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost: We shouldn't reject water baptism because Jesus(GOD) commands us. If we say water baptism isn't commanded then you make Paul testimony a lie in Acts 22:14. Our testimony should be a witness tool to tell people about what Christ did for us. Paul did the same thing in Acts 22 showing what Christ did for him and how to follow Christ. Thanks for spreading the good news. Blessing on you Podcast!!!
My Grandpa Moses use to stand on a mountain yelling out to the world repent wondered if Baptism is symbolic of the water cleanses our Temples and repentance When sinned cleanses us inside out from sin for our Lord Jesus is The Living Water Thanks and as the comment in comments on the Theif on cross is in Paradise I feel he was not water baptized but owned up to his sin and new Savior Yaweh is was our God Forever also washing of feet is connected I have heard Thanks :)
Being baptized is not a argument that we should disagree with because it is written several times to do so , how could anyone disagree with God ? The Bible is the word of God and is God , he said to do it , now you can argue all you like but it will not change the fact that scripture says to do this over and over and over again ! Yes Believing comes first because if you didn't believe who would get baptized then ? Faith comes first and anyway if you love the Lord you shouldn't question his Will but you should do it , now wouldn't it be really sad if you was wrong just because you feel it was unnecessary to do this ? Can you tell God " But Lord we know better " just because you said to do this doesn't mean we are not saved because we believe " Good luck with that ! 😅 You may not realize but being baptized is a command not a suggestion ! 😮 Anyway you have nothing to loose but all more to gain ...
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The Lord has put this on my heart. Please share; copy and paste everywhere and lets get this out internationally.
A call to prayer:
Worldwide Simultaneous Body of Christ Prayer
*Pray in thy closet, fasting if possible
April 8th, 8am Saturday Eastern Standard Time
Prayer goals
1. Strong revival that spans cities
2. That we all have strength to turn from our sins in each respective nation
3. Pray for mercy on our oppressors, unrighteous, and righteous alike
4. Pray for unblinding of those in darkness
5. Pray to deepen our faith and become more sensitive to His voice
The answer is NO.
There, I just saved you nearly 40 minutes of rambling.
Without water baptism, people are not saved.
Acts,Roman's, ect
If Romans 10:9 was the way of Salvation, who got saved before 57AD
wrong your not saved first then Baptized
Jesus told us to go ye therefore baptizing them in the name. Acts is right, and you have to do what it says. Don't tell people a lie and cause them to be lost.
Jesus told the DESCIPLES to do this, not us.
@@tampamabins2868 That is not going to fly, "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" (see Matthew 28:18-20). Is baptism necessary for salvation? No. Are there people making God's command a merely human rule? Yes. Is baptism somehow necessary for Christian living? Yes. I am of the opinion that reason is currently lost to our knowledge due to the answer to my second question. Will you join me in praying the Holy Spirit gives revelation and embarrasses those who misuse Jesus's commands?
@@deanfry879 The fact you want to embarrass says you do not believe in what Jesus said when He said in everything, we are to love one another as He loved us. If we are to do and be love, why would we embarrass? Does not the Holy Spirit convict the heart? In this, people who seek Jesus seek truth, and we are to be unburdoned by the bounds of men's laws. Jesus desires true worship in spirit and in truth. Therefore, I will worship Him in my spirit and in truth. If the Holy Spirit convicts me to be baptized, I will, but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord in accordance with however the Holy Spirit leads us to do so.
@@tampamabins2868 Better to be embarrassed now, when there is still oportunity to repent, than on the Day of Judgment, which Jesus Christ will bring about in due time. Besides, Jesus is Lord, if it suits Him to give a person a pass on something He said, He can do that. I certainly agree what is not from faith is sin. I have been embarrassed enough times by the Lord to no longer be afraid of it for myself and anyone else. I have seen embarrassed people bounce back to the point of giving thanks for it. Is that beyond your own experience? I think not.
Are Catholics saved? They believe Jesus died for their sins. But the problem is that they have a wrong concept of afterlife, forgiveness and works. They still believe in Jesus are they saved?
I hold your view about water baptism not needed for salvation but every time I discuss it, it opens a can of worms 😅 no church pastor will believe they can do away with water baptism.
They will see the great Tribulation..
Get baptized and recive the Holy ghost in Jesus name.. Aman
Salvation requires believing in The Water, Blood, and Spirit. Jesus was baptisted by John the Baptist to take on all mans sin.Past, Present, and Future Sin. Blood is Jesus having taken mans sin had to pay the wages of sin which is death. The Heavenly Father judged Jesus in mans place. Spirit is Jesus rose the third day in all power and sits on the right hand of the Father and has opened the Veil for all who believe in this testimony to enter the Kingdom of Heaven
Apart from the illogic of it, you just have to think of what Jesus said to the repentant thief on the cross! He didn't say: if only you could have been baptised, today you'd be in paradise with me!
Do you realize how many passages you are forced to add a special interpretation in order to avoid teh natural reading? Not just one passage, but dozens. We can't say that just because baptism isn't mentioned in every case it means it's not essential. Faith isn't mentioned in every text, the holy Spirit isn't mentioned in every text. You can't just cite Romans 10:10. You have to explain why despite how it reads, the Great commission (Matthew 28:19,20) doesn't really mean baptism is connected with becoming a disciple, Acts 2:38 also needs a special non-natural reading to explain why Baptism isn't connecting with becoming a disciple, Romans 6 needs to be interpreted as a symbol (Despite sounding like a person is raised to life as they come up from baptism), 1 Peter 3:20-21 has to carefully re-interpreted, Colossians 2:12 needs a special interpretation as well, because the natural reading for all these passage is supposedly wrong. Not even down. You need to rethink how to explain Acts 8 & 16, which both imply that baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple. And on and go you go. This isn't 'pulling one tiny text and ignoring context'. At what point can you just admit, that your interpretation is only possible if you have pre-decided that, 'no physical action can be connected with salvation,' therefore the over 30 references to baptism as the normal way to become a disciple all need special footnotes. Paul, Luke, Matthew, and Peter were all misleading because they don't see it as clearly as we do now, so we need special notes to explain that when Paul wrote, "when you were baptized you were baptized into his death," he really meant "When you invited Jesus into your heart you were baptized into his death and your later baptism was just a great picture of what happened back then." Does it seem like that's what Paul meant, or just what you really want him to mean? Read it and say, "What makes the most sense of the most clearest texts?" People who say, "I just don't think God would use anything physical in connection with salvation," is a nice logical thought to hold, but one must be willing to footnote and explain anyway so many narratives and passages. The natural reading of Acts 2:38, Matthew 28:19,20, Acts 8 & 16, and all the others is baptism is the normal way a person becomes a disciple.
@nlaw5268 You mentioned Ro.chapter 6 . I remind you that Romans chapter 6 never mentions liquid water anywhere .And as there are many different baptism described in scripture such as the baptism of the cross which Jesus said in Mathew ,I have a baptism to do and how straightened I am till it is accomplished . Hence , Ro.6 could very well be speaking of baptism of Holy Spirit and not of liquid water baptism .
@@JesseMongia Consider the following. If I told you someone was drowning, you would assume the person is in water. The word drowning means to be submerged in water. If I want to use it in a different way, I have to use other words (like 'he is drowning in paperwork'). You are imagining the word baptism is a metaphoric term with strong religious connotations that would need clarification. That is mostly because the word in English has a religious history. Baptism was not a special word in the first century. It just meant to plunge beneath water. That's the actual definition of the word, (see BDAG). It was the same word used in the first century to plunge dishes in water to clean them. It always means water unless someone specifically says otherwise. Jesus does not specifically mentioned 'liquid' in Matthew 28:19,20. The eunuch in Acts says, "What prevents me from being baptized?" and does not feel the need to clarify by saying "What prevents me from being baptized in a liquid?" Every reference to Romans 6 in the church Fathers (Many of whom spoke Greek as a first language) assumed the passage is referring to immersion in water at conversion. Can you find any New Testament scholar who does not think that Romans 6 is referring to baptism in water? Even those who disagree over the place of baptism in salvation would never question that this passage is referring to water.
NO! Just live by FAITH! that's it
Once a person has faith to believe in Jesus for salvation, the faith to proclaim that salvation by baptism should be easy.
Faith is trust and trust is obediance, which is why Abraham's obedient faith (willingness to kill his son) was credited to him as righteousness. Faith without works (action) is dead!
In Christ,
Andrew
@@Ezekiel336-16 Abraham was credited with righteousness long before he even had children, but yes, his willingness to sacrifice his son is consistent with the righteousness he already had.
Agree with your analysis but having said that observance of the rules or laws tends to be binary (pass or fail). Satan is a die-hard opposer of mankind and will try to use any trick to fail us. The baptism is a formal acknowledgement of your faith. Solely from one's work, one cannot SHOW our faith since we do not follow perfectly God's Law. We are salvaged by God's grace. So baptism and renewal of baptismal promises are essential in my view. This can be easily implemented as well. Let's not give the satan any chance to deny us salvation.
Water baptism symbolizes a person’s dying to his past course of life and beginning a new one as a Christian dedicated to God. Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. First Peter 3:21 makes it clear that baptism is now saving you!
Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples must get baptized! (Matthew 28:19,20) To benefit for Jesus’ sacrifice, a person must exercise faith in Jesus shed blood, change his course of life to live in harmony with Jesus’ teachings, and get baptized. (Acts 2:38)
True,and The end of Lukes gospel matches Acts 2:38
Yes and you can do it yourself in your bath tub.
Interesting. What is your take on communion; do you see it as a requirement? Also, when Peter was addressing the crowds of "Jews", can one assume he was saying this (to be baptized) to the Jews (Acts 2:14), and perhaps not to the gentiles?🤔
As for communion, Paul said about it, "You proclaim the Lord's death untill He returns." So no, it is not required, but we are less effective without it.
Unless we eat His flesh and drink His blood we have NO life within us - John 6:53
@@Ezekiel336-16 If that were literal, His flesh and blood would only go far enough for a few thousand to have a taste. As for the spritual reality, it only has to happen once. The regular ceremony of communion is an excellent venue as a teaching moment, and as a reminder of our salvation, that we do have His life in us for those who believe. So we give thanks.
@@deanfry879 That bread of life discourse in John 6 comes right after Jesus multiplied the loaves and fishes, so I would highly recommend that you reconsider limiting the Lord's ability to do the same with His glorified flesh and blood.
In Christ,
Andrew
P.S. The greek word for life in John 6:53 is "Zoe", which means eternal/resurrected life. Jesus didn't die to give us symbols of Himself to eat and drink.
@@Ezekiel336-16 This sounds similar to the doctrine of transubstantiation of the Catholic Church. If He did not do this with His glorified body, what then did I mean by "spiritual reallity"?
Why such unfaithfulness towards the sacraments (i.e. the works of Christ) that He gave to us for our participation and benefit? I say this because I'm sure these guys don't believe in the normative necessity of the Eucharist either. Jesus wasn't born, baptized, scourged, crucified, and glorified in resurrection to bring us symbols.
In Christ,
Andrew
There was the Passover, and then there was the symbol of the yearly Passover celebration and ceremony for the children and proselytes to ask what the symbols mean. It was also a reminder of the reality the symbols represent. It is the same with baptism and communion. Both are necessary for effective witness and teaching and were commanded for those reasons.
@@deanfry879 During the original Passover, no one simply had faith that the Lord would spare them if they did not do what they were told to do with the lamb's blood above their doorposts and eating the lambs.
They lived out their faith in the Lord by doing what they were told to do, and they lived to tell about it and celebrate it.
We should have the same living faith when it comes to baptism in both forms, as well as the laying on of hands that's talked about in Acts 8.
In Christ,
Andrew
If we reference the totality of New Testament scriptures on this matter, you guys ARE in ERROR! ...Water baptism IS a "plain thing", AND a "main thing" (as Jeff made reference to), when it comes to what is "required" for salvation! There's nothing "hidden" (Jeff) about this at all! ...Three brief points (please read on):
1) In Matt. 18:19, Jesus commands His disciples to "...make disciples of ALL nations, BAPTIZING them..."; and in Verse 20, He continues: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED you...". Jesus is OBVIOUSLY saying that ALL disciples (future believers) ARE to be WATER BAPTISMED! ...A very "plain" AND "main" thing, I would say!
2) Beginning from Acts 2:38-39 (where, in Verse 39, Peter preached, saying: " 'Save' ("salvation") yourselves..."; and earlier, in Verse 38, he commands them to "BE (water) BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU..."); and throughout the Book of Acts, where instances of the "induction" of believers into the Church / Body of Christ is recounted, WATER BAPTISM is recorded as a GIVEN and EXPECTED element in the process! (Regard, in particular, Peter's ministering to those at Cornelius' house, in Acts 10:45-48: "... on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he COMMANDED them to be baptized..."). ... ("Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS; WHATSOEVER I (Jesus) HAVE COMMANDED you...")
3) Of course, we're "saved" by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ! ...But BEAR IN MIND, these scriptural teachings regarding "grace", and "faith (alone)", and "works" or no "works", were NOT directed to the "unsaved"; but rather, to BELIEVERS! That is to say, the principal TARGET AUDIENCE of these writings were themselves ALREADY water (and spirit) baptized! (Acts 2:42 "...they CONTINUED STEADFASTLY IN THE APOSTLES' DOCTRINE...".)
All-in-all - Jesus, Himself, commanded His disciples that ALL (future) disciples are to be BAPTIZED; and the Book of Acts clearly documents how the Apostles - time and time again - TAUGHT and OBEYED that command. One must conclude, therefore, that water baptized IS an INTEGRAL part of God's "salvation" prescription! I would venture to say that a COMMAND from Jesus should probably be viewed as a REQUIREMENT! You disagree?? ...Are we to DISREGARD a standard ESTABLISHED BY JESUS, and call it "unnecessary"??!
@rayeband1863 there are many different baptisms spoken throughout scripture . Not all baptism is of liquid water .Case in point is book of Mt. Where Jesus says he has a baptism to do and how straightened he is till it is accomplished ( this he spoke of the baptism of the cross) .There is also a baptism of the Holy Spirit.
@@JesseMongia @JesseMongia No disagreement there!🙂
That, nevertheless, DOESN'T negate Jesus' Command to His disciples, in Matt. 28:19-20; wherein, He was obviously referring to WATER baptism, since it is GOD, Himself, that baptizes us with His Holy Spirit. ...And again, we have the EMPIRICAL evidence of the disciples being OBEDIENT to Jesus' teaching, throughout the Book of the Acts of the Apostles! Wherever Acts records the apostles delivering the message of Salvation, through Jesus Christ; to unbelievers AND believers, alike - in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE - WATER baptism (in the Name of Jesus Christ) was introduced [Jesus: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS, whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU..." Matt. 28:20a], AND water baptism (submersion) was ADMINISTERED!
This is so FUNNY; because, there's ACTUALLY nothing here to "interpret", or even discuss! Water baptism, as part of God's Salvation Plan, for humandkind, is one of the EASIEST biblical concepts for ALL to visualize and grasp!! We can read for ourselves what Jesus said, and what the disciples later did; in OBEDIENCE to the Lord's teaching!
"Piece of cake!!" 🙂
It's ALL a simple matter of BELIEVING, and OBEYING!
And WHY we would NOT want to believe and obey a CRYSTAL CLEAR commandment of our Lord?? ...Wrapping our human minds around WHY Jesus wanted things to be done this particular way amounts to one of thoses "mysteries" of GOD, let's say! Nonetheless, His Command MUST have some specific spiritual SIGNIFICANCE to our salvation (Rom. 6, for instance??). Why ELSE would He even BOTHER with giving His disiples such SPECIFIC orders??!
What ARROGANCE that "WE" mortals think that "WE" have ALL THE ANSWERS to how GOD thinks/works/moves!! Ha ha …Jesus said, "He that BELIEVETH and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 ..Plain enough!! If we want to call ourselves "BELIEVERS"; then, THIS (water baptism) is part of God's Plan, for our eternal salvation!
Last thought on this 🙂 ...
Sometimes, I think about the game of SOCCER; and the RULES of the game! Simply put: You move the ball across the playing field, with your FEET; NOT with your hands! ...Of course, you CAN move the ball across a playing field, using both your feet AND your hands, too! ...But THAT would be more akin to the game of rugby, or American football. But that WOULDN'T be "SOCCER", anymore!! Would it?? 🙂...NOT according to the RULES set out by the ORIGINATORS of the sport!
So, WHY is it that NOBODY, in the WHOLE wide world, has the SLIGHTEST little problem with ACCEPTING and PLAYING BY THE RULE of this "SPORT", or any other(!); but when the Scriptures PLAINLY describe (AND prescribe) a couple of simple “RULES” of GOD’S Plan(!), everybody throws up their hands and yells: "THAT rule (a COMMAND of our Lord Jesus, no less) is totally ‘IRRELEVANT’! WE think it should be done like THIS (our OWN “rule”)!!”
It BAFFLES the mind!! Ha ha
Thanks for engaging!! ...There’s really nothing more I can add to the conversation, so I'll say "Bye!" 🙂
Take care!!
@@JesseMongia @JesseMongia No disagreement there!🙂
That, nevertheless, DOESN'T negate Jesus' Command to His disciples, in Matt. 28:19-20; wherein, He was obviously referring to WATER baptism, since it is GOD, Himself, that baptizes us with His Holy Spirit. ...And again, we have the EMPIRICAL evidence of the disciples being OBEDIENT to Jesus' teaching, throughout the Book of the Acts of the Apostles! Wherever Acts records the apostles delivering the message of Salvation, through Jesus Christ; to unbelievers AND believers, alike - in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE - WATER baptism (in the Name of Jesus Christ) was introduced [Jesus: "Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS, whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU..." Matt. 28:20a], AND water baptism (submersion) was ADMINISTERED!
This is so FUNNY; because, there's ACTUALLY nothing here to "interpret", or even discuss! Water baptism, as part of God's Salvation Plan, for humandkind, is one of the EASIEST biblical concepts for ALL to visualize and grasp!! We can read for ourselves what Jesus said, and what the disciples later did; in OBEDIENCE to the Lord's teaching!
"Piece of cake!!" 🙂
It's ALL a simple matter of BELIEVING, and OBEYING!
And WHY we would NOT want to believe and obey a CRYSTAL CLEAR commandment of our Lord?? ...Wrapping our human minds around WHY Jesus wanted things to be done this particular way amounts to one of thoses "mysteries" of GOD, let's say! Nonetheless, His Command MUST have some specific spiritual SIGNIFICANCE to our salvation (Rom. 6, for instance??). Why ELSE would He even BOTHER with giving His disiples such SPECIFIC orders??!
What ARROGANCE that "WE" mortals think that "WE" have ALL THE ANSWERS to how GOD thinks/works/moves!! Ha ha …Jesus said, "He that BELIEVETH and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 ..Plain enough!! If we want to call ourselves "BELIEVERS"; then, THIS (water baptism) is part of God's Plan, for our eternal salvation!
Last thought on this 🙂 ...
Sometimes, I think about the game of SOCCER; and the RULES of the game! Simply put: You move the ball across the playing field, with your FEET; NOT with your hands! ...Of course, you CAN move the ball across a playing field, using both your feet AND your hands, too! ...But THAT would be more akin to the game of rugby, or American football. But that WOULDN'T be "SOCCER", anymore!! Would it?? 🙂...NOT according to the RULES set out by the ORIGINATORS of the sport!
So, WHY is it that NOBODY, in the WHOLE wide world, has the SLIGHTEST little problem with ACCEPTING and PLAYING BY THE RULE of this "SPORT", or any other(!); but when the Scriptures PLAINLY describe (AND prescribe) a couple of simple “RULES” of GOD’S Plan(!), everybody throws up their hands and yells: "THAT rule (a COMMAND of our Lord Jesus, no less) is totally ‘IRRELEVANT’! WE think it should be done like THIS (our OWN “rule”)!!”
It BAFFLES the mind!! Ha ha
Thanks for engaging!! ...There’s really nothing more I can add to the conversation, so I'll say "Bye!" 🙂
Take care!!
@@rayeband1863 yes you correct in saying it is God that gives you the BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit .It is a work that God does ,John 6:29 . I might add that it is at that instant of being born again with his Spirit that we are then in one body of Christ with all Christians . Paul asked if he that ministereth to you the Spirit and doeth miracles among you doeth he it by works of the law or by the hearing of faith? The point I am making is that a Christian becomes a Christian by hearing the word .The baptism of the Holy Spirit comes by hearing the word .Why then would you think that to be baptized in the name of Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit as in Great Commission is referring to liquid water baptism ?
1 peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: So it does'nt ! thanks for disagreeing with the bible
Agree with the bible or not!?
why do you guys look like you've been crying?