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Hello. Is there english version of that book? Thank you
You forgot to mention that Motobu Choki ”dojo raided” Funakoshi Gichins dojo and sent Funakoshi into the floor 3 times, and that Funakoshi described him as ” his irreconsible enemy” after this. And that Motobu described Funakoshis karate (shotokan) as Shamisen…. ” beautiful on the outside but hollow on the inside.”
Great video's Yusuke, really enjoying your explorations of other styles and content!
It's not widely known but in 1905 Hanashiro Chomo, a senior to Motobu Chokki and a student of Matsumura Sokon, published a text called 'Karate Kumite'. Unfortunately all that survives today is the opening pages, but it was Hanashiro who first 'published' a use of the kanji for 'kara' (empty) te.
Also, in a previous video you asked what other styles use Sanchin kata. In the Bugeikan of Higa Kiyohiko we have two versions called Shuri Sanchin and Matsu Sanchin. They have been handed down from Matsumura Sokon, via Choyu Motobu (Chokki's older brother) and his deshi Uehara Seikichi.
If anyone wants to explore this topic further, there are some decent English translations of both of Motobu's books available. The one by McCarthy is particularly good, as it has other Motobu-related documents included in it.
Is it available in print?
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Fainting is not about breathing. It about dropping blood pressure so the brain is no longer perfused, usually as vagal reflex. So the best first aid is to try to get blood flow back to the brain, so lie the patient down flat and raise they’re legs.
Obviously if they have tight clothes on then loosen them off, but not really going to be a problem in a dōgi.
Hope this helps
Alex
(Sandan in Shukokai, Consultant Trauma Surgeon In profession)
I think it’s worth mentioning, in those days karate were meant to be taught in private or in small groups. Writing a book was a big no-no. Also the idea that you “need to keep something for yourself “ was a thing. So intentionally miss teaching or doing something a little strange or off was common, intentional mis teaching just in case someone decided to use your techniques on you
This continues until today at least in kung fu which is what I practice, There are still things that I have learned that I have not found in any books or videos. In some ways that is a good thing because the deserving should learn this stuff and who deserves to learn should be decided by the kung fu sifu.
I don’t know about Toudi “meaning” to be taught in small groups or single students in a Niwa Dojo but possibly the standards of people accepted as students were more stringent than Japanese schools that may have many people lining up and performing Fukyu and Kihon Waza for hours. (Similar to kendo practice.)
A Shinshi from The Ryukyus would have a hard time teaching more than 6 or so students at a time because he would work one on one with each student, correcting the finite nuances of proper target acquisition, breathing and proper muscle tension. Things that cannot be taught and gauged with large groups.
Also about writing books being frowned upon, I believe every serious student on Okinawa and other islands of the Ryukyu archipelago hand copied the Bubishi didn’t they?
Why would you need to hold back some subtle nuances in fear that a student might one day be your enemy? No student will ever learn everything a proper teacher has to teach. Actually, they would have had only one or two best students, that in turn will eventually leave and embark on their own shugyo, adding/ altering their physical as well as mental levels, as their understanding mature. Any student that would ever become an enemy would not have been a very dedicated student, and as such would not have been taught much. Not that their Shinshi wouldn’t teach the subtle nuances of their families interpretation, but oft times teaching include multiple levels of understanding. A beginner cannot be taught the same things as students with ten or twenty years of training. Many, (I have not met all, of course) taught multiple “levels” of Kata. The kihon level of all Kata is but a rudimentary, perfunctory physical understanding. The later levels will only been understood through the lens of decade of proper training.
Lol thats why you train real martial arts. Muay thai/bjj n maybe judo even. No bullshido gyms in muay Thai and bjj
Thank you for the videos Sensei, they are educational and entertaining. Please keep up the good work.
With regards to helping someone who’s unconscious for whatever reason there’s some basic steps to follow.
- lie the person facing up
- Check for response (you should call an ambulance if the person is totally unconscious)
- open Airway (by doing head tilt chin lift)
- look listen feel for breathing
- check pulse if you know how to
If breathing is absent
- then you’ll need to know CPR and AED
If breathing present
- put the person in recovery position (to prevent airway obstruction from tongue and saliva/secretions/vomitus) while waiting for ambulance to come.
- in context of martial art class, KO by concussions shouldn’t happen in the first place. If it does happen the casualty should consider going for a brain scan to rule out any brain injury which might not show symptoms until few days later.
Hope this helps.
I’m a registered nurse and level 2 EMT in case anyone need my credentials.
You should do a video on Karate vital points, that would be interesting.
It is a big topic, and can't possibly be handled in one video and by a single person.
I would recommend the "Authentic Pressure Points" DVD series from Master Scott Rogers for that (9 volumes in total)
Yes, back in the day a few of the books I had introduced me to grabbing and trapping. This idea is clear in Motobu's illustrations. The three karate schools I attended in the 1970s and early 1980s did not teach trapping/grabbing, aside from one school that had a "self-defense" class once a week. I have not seen again these old books on Kenpo, except the Wing Chun book by Yimm Lee. Over the decades the only book I still have is the 1973 version of Funakoshi translated by Ohshima. I can report using trapping successfully even in tournaments, although not technically allowed. I also had much success with a technique I also viewed as a type of "trap" for kicks; it was essentially what could be viewed as a shin block in Thai Boxing, but it had other uses. I once had photos of me in tournaments simultaneously trapping both a front leg and arm. I bring that up because that also was not taught then. I've been taking great interest in the more recent interpretations of the old kata based on countering common aggression instead of sport karate.
If you attended one school through the 70s and the 80s you might have learnt something
do you still have those photos, it would be awsome to see it
I think I’d like you to explain all of the other chapters , please.
Choki was a real fighter and a genuine old school Karateka.
In my class one night I was teaching similar, traditional forms of kappo (katsu ho). The father of one of the students was watching. He is an doctor at the nearby hospital where he specializes in emergencies and traumatic injuries. He said “that will work!” He said it actually made sense to him, and he was fascinated to see these older approaches.
Can you suggest any written material.or video on kuatsu/kappo? Someone somewhere has put it on video or book. Curious if you might know??? What style are you in? I've heard of Danzan Ryu teaching this. Where it's very good to know how to help someone.
Also, modern medicine, a doctor may better treat a person with medicine,cetc. But, the average person isn't going through 10 years of school, where Kappo/kuatsu may very well be very effective as I doubt they were held onto and taught just because, they had to have basis to be retained, which I do not think such should be allowed to fade into obscurity. I'd really like to know more myself. Appreciate your comment
Who first use "kara" meaning "empty" was Chomo Hanashiro 20 years before Funakoshi. The first book from Funakoshi, written in Tokio was named Ryukyu Kempo Tode Jutsu.
In Shotokan Karate of America, resuscitation techniques are part of the Godan Exam (the highest rank given).
We need more of this Yusuke.
Great topic! Thank you for the video
Thank you very much, Sensei!
Loved this video I have the English version of this book in my library
Yeah Thanks! Quality content and exclusive video! Can you interview Horiguchi Kyoji and Nasukawa Tenshin? I bet that the overseas fans have a lot of questions
Great video! Love this style of video. Oss
I think anything one practices passionately will be a part of you - u will even see its techniques and strategies in how u relate to the world - how to make things more efficient - your relationships (with co-worker, friend, family, lover, etc...).
I don't know, but if we throw up while we're laying down we might wanna go on our sides more often.
Definitely would get tired of elbowing or kneeing people too much, although muay thai clinch could be easy enough to pick up when we're angry at each other sometimes.
Been liking the isometric mabu horse stance alot lately, although I'm thinking if you can't find level ground, an upward slant like for a horse seems better.
Not everyone is in as good a shape as shaolin disciples, with sumos, and people stopping before their knees get shaky and resting though.
The two methods I use to resuscitate people are as follows:
1. sit the person up and rub up their back (this was taught to me by my judo teacher - I have seen it used successfully several times).
2. lie the person flat on their back, ensuring first that their airway is open; stand by their feet and pick up their ankles, then shake their legs gently (I was refereeing a BJJ match when 1 player went out to a triangle choke. I stopped the match and use this technique. He promptly woke up and started fighting me! He was totally bewildered when I said: "Look, I'm the referee! You opponent is kneeling over there!" it was as though a few moments of his life had been deleted.)
LOVE the video thank you! . if you look closely you can see tekki moves being used in the kumite! the bubishi has healing arts in it as well. its common to put it in books. thanks ofr the insights on what he wrote. love the video. more please!
Excellent. Gracias
Thank you Sensei, for giving me these informations. Though it's not too much usefull for me as I'm a patient of Hemophilia B. But then also I'd love to continue Karate. 👍🏻🇮🇳
Whether to disengage or engage by closing or opening the gap when doing uke waza or ate waza is dependent of timing and range. In Motobu's book he's already in trapping range, infact his lead hand is covering their rear hand, so effectively any straight arm punch can simply be defended by slipping, or parrying, so the age uke in this range does several things it deflects the strike changing the trajectory not only on the extension, but contraction phasing which disrupts the rhythm, striking sequence, and balance of the attacker; also it frames them, so that you have tactile awareness of what they are doing and keeps them from closing the distance and clinch with you. If you strike with empi waza at that range the elbow will be guided by the underside of the arm into the attacker's upper torso. One of the styles of Karate I learned named Isshin Ryu drills his kumite drills after learning Naifanchi Kata. Also it's upper body basics is a modified form of Ten No Kata omote and Ten No Kata ura done in seisan dachi or naifanchi dachi instead of zenkatsu dachi, so that it is more of an infighting range drill.
I've read that Motobu kept losing matches against his brother, and that during one of his street fight training trips to the party area he lost against a guy who didn't even fight seriously. I wonder who that man was.
Was the guy he lost against a martial artist?
@@AyeJordan7 Yes, he was. I found his name a while ago on Wikipedia, but can't remember it. He's not that famous, though.
Well done excellent uploads as always this is the true meaning of fighting is to always test one so against others to continuously build get better with each day of doing the other I always stay sharp and be at the top of your game I want the actual combat does one actually know what works gauge and enemy read the moves and find the right attacks to negate the enemy kumites are great they allow you to experience various forms of combat from always all sides being at the radiant and taking down multiple enemies keep up the good historical work be well and all the best 👊👍
So interesting!
Very interesting question... I am actually writting a book about juijitsu and the importance of atemi "karate"
Vs proper spirit and meditations🙏 i think its hard to answer your question through text 🙏
Where can this book be bought today? Do you know of other bone setting, fixing dislocations, etc. material. Kano had similiar.
If someone is unconscious you should check they are breathing and blood circulating. If not start CPR. If they are breathing then put them in the recovery position.
I think all martial arts instructors should know basic 1st aid.
you're absolutely right ! I saw high grade Seniors in a school in which the 5 dan (and highest dan) has thoses old reanimation techniques, who were leading a 5 days hard training , who were in the situation of someone not very young who lost conscientiousness, were unable to do the correct thing : check breathing and blood circulating, recovery position and then call for emergency medical care. Ridiculous.
That said, overall the Motobu Book is very interesting, and for the "reanimation", we were in 1922 (25 ?). (but those people did not read it)
I’d like to see a demonstration of his resuscitation technique please? Difficult to fully imagine from the verbal description.
Similar to what George Dillman does after he “ko’s” someone.
You should do a video on the Bubishi.
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Could you do a show on ankle attacks? It's taught for self defense, it's in karate, but few address it. If the ankle is gone, stay out of range, there's nothing that can be done.
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Thank you, this was interesting. If you could put the name in the drop down, I'd appreciate it. I could not see the last word of the name of the book.
Where it was seem others would have knowledge on this as well.
Thanks for that where do I get the book from?
sad only 14k views this deserves more
where can I buy a copy of this book with English translation?
Hi sir can explain more about motobu choki ......
Use aromatic ammonia and just let the patient smell it and the patient will wake up if the patient is unconscious but if the patient is just fainting let the patient sit down and give some space or air from the outside windows and sit for a couple of minutes to let the excess oxygen go out from the body.
Can you meet for an interview motobu ryu groups in japan?
Before I saw Karate as both Do and jutsu. Now its more jutsu than Do. Could you please do a review of the Bubishi and Karate Do Nyumon books? Also in traditional Kung Fu you learn how to kill and also how to heal, not so much in Karate nowadays. In Judo though you have Katsu Kappo.
Hi! Where can I download The book of Kumite? Thnx
Where do you get that background music?
Great video! Yes, certainty this presentation of the book changed my perspective about the old karate master.
However, what about Bubishi? This book is older, and it describes the basis of a lot of karate techniques.
My understanding is that Bubishi is a book written in the 1600s, making it a book about Te rather than Karate.
@@KarateDojowaKu how about making a review about Sensei McCarthy's Bubishi the bible of Karate? It is actually cool and interesting.
@@KarateDojowaKu There are two Bubishi. The other one is a Chinese 17th century military compendium, and the other one is a late 19th century Crane Boxing manual from Fuzhou.
I've been amazed how long it took medicine to see just breathing air into a person was the absolute best way to resuscitate them. All these other body maneuvers were not very effective. As for simple fainting, lower the head, maintain the airway, and raise the legs.
Kyokushinkaikan Karate in my opinion is more of Karate Jutsu in my, as it originally incorporated also throwing and ground techniques, prior to becoming a predominantly, stand up, full contact, knockout, fighting style. Nevertheless in general I would say that Kyokushin Karate could be both a Karate-Do (way/path), as well as a Karate-Jutsu (skill/technique) style of martial arts. In the end it all depends on the individual practitioner themselves, also how they envision it personally, Osu!🇦🇺🇲🇽🥋
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my Karate is called Karate dreams. Never had more than 4 months of Okinawa karate training
I practice White Crane Okinawan karate with the emphasis on self defence techniques.
Do they sell this oldest text book.
Can you please do one on ninjitsu, since it's in your backyard of Japan
I've done some already!
Close quarte combat, China's Ming Dynasty Jixiao Xinshu by Qi Jiguang calls it Baida
Karate-jitsu or karate-do? Very interesting question. In my case, I believe I am karate-do, as I have essentially made a commitment to practice in order to maintain health and fitness as well as to reach a deeper understanding of the art. My dojo, however, emphasizes kids and youths who are there to learn technique and to strengthen their developing bodies. These I think of as karate-jitsu, as they likely would move on to something else after high school. Either way is a good way to go.
I have an early collector's edition English translation. Good quality. Decent translation by Ken Tallack.
What is the title, I'd like this.
I don't think of it as DO, personally. I try to distance myself from that, actually. People often talk about the "essence," of the art, & seeking it ( 心髄 ). There is a demonstrable shift from Jutsu to Do & we can measure the results of implications of this shift. I seek & teach self-protection rather than self-perfection, as was originally intended. I see people with insanely impressive flexibility at times, especially with high kicking. It certainly it took time to achieve those skills & flexibility, & there are only upsides to being more limber in such a way. So, you can't discredit that. However, you can ask whether or not it is most conducive to self-protection? I'd argue that while helpful & impressive, the ways that lead to better self-protection are actually what we see in the traditional training methods & modalities found in Karate. That isn't to say there cannot be improvement, but adaptations should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism & scrutiny.
Something like a high kick is high risk (since it compromises structure so much & is easily defended) & low to moderate reward... because the success rate simply isn't as high as doing something like a low crippling kick to the opponent's knees once you're close-in. The success percentages found in BJJ are something that sticks with me outside of grappling. I think all applications should be looked at under similar metrics, because that is what strategy is. When I do that, I find that I specifically want to invest most time & energy into practicing things that are most conducive to self-protection & not self-perfection. 不合理 was actually used over & over again to me in a reputable dojo (I won't name) in Japan, for Mawashi Geri within systems that focus on 近接戦闘, & was used to highlight why there is no mawashi geri in Goju Kata, or really any koryu kata for that matter. It's a longer distance technique that can't be effectively used at close range when compared to all the crippling low kicks we find in older kata. So, the idea is... you can become better at those low kicks for more protective purposes, or get better at the high kicks for self-perfection purposes. Up to the person practicing what is most important to them. You get good at what you practice. What you do in practice is what you'll do in application subconsciously. After all, we are consciously training the subconscious.
That said, I think personal development is a natural byproduct of diligent self-protection training, so I don't really feel like I'm losing out on anything, I just know where my key focus is.
I think of mine is 50/50 but I study primarily Goju
明治38年に花城長茂師が「空手組手」という冊子を書いています。そちらこそが最古の組手本だと理解しています。花城師の本が正式に出版されておらず、今は表紙と１ページ目しか確認できていませんが、本部師の本よりは古いので。あと、武芸において「術」と「道」は表裏一体だと愚考しますので、あえて分ける必要はないと思っています。
When I was a child I asked my dad if I could study karate but he told me I must study Judo first because he said it was the foundation for all marital arts. So I started with Judo. One thing we were taught was how to treat an unconscious person . I was never taught any first aid in any of the other arts I studied. How to fall properly is another skill not taught in most arts. My dad was right.
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I think the picture you have of Itosu has been established as incorrect
Yep. "Kingu" magazine for some reason included pictures of Funakoshi which, unsurprisingly, did not go down too well with Motobu. Even before this, Motobu had a very low opinion of Funakoshi's ability. Safe to say that they were not best of friends...
The picture in the newspaper about the Russian looks more like Funakoshi, Choki would not be pleased 😄
You can definitely see the Nihanchi his influence in his techniques.
I think Karaté-"Do" is more for women and the elderly. The average man should pursue the Jutsu in my opinion, as he should be able to defend himself and his family at any time. It could even be a replacement for military training. If I was the president, I would make it a rule to excuse men a full military service if they can show a black belt certificate in any martial art.
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Modern kumite is totally different from the old Shuri-Te kumite that Motobu Choki practiced. The former was not "derived" from the latter.
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the tradition of close contact with the opponent was lost, two-handed and simultaneous techniques were also lost, The sports karate that dominated the shotokan for the last 70 years, has nothing to do with the teachings of Choki Motobu
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It's karate-ikigai. :)))
I know it as karate do
Is like me
Un my case y think its both
You should react to Australian kenpo karate
Jutsu because everything that has Do is a Sport
Not the founder of Motobu ryu.
Karate do jutsu
He trained more than one kata I think but believed in kumite and conditioning more. Too much too soon doesn’t help.
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Wasn’t motobu bet the Russian
So the word " Kumite " is a style of teaching not a competition ????
Makiwara???
its a wooden board you bury in the ground and put a pad on it to strike. its said to stregnthen knuckles .and muscles theres plenty of videos about it.
@@kewnst okey thanks
Black mind is made of this,..
also i'm asking you my goal and dream is to be the best martial arts artist of all time learning krav maga,combat sambo,sanda best military martial arts of all time good effective in self defence,street fighting against multiple attackers opponents fact and true did my research.
sounds great, how about you add "planning skills" into your set as well so that you don't have to end up fighting multiple opponents :P
first train in the one art then the other and then plan,but tell can you learn combat sambo and sanda in use are the popular outside of their origins places like every martial arts
Don't kick anybody in the back cuz you wanna be the best though. Like some falsely competitive people are likely to cheat.
@@michaelborror4399 i will i promise but tell me can you learn combat sambo and sanda in america yes or no is it popular outside of their origins places
Maybe, sounds more popular in China. Getting kicked in the back while waiting in line for kick boxing after winning is definitely more popular with kids though. Happens much less often with sumo wrestling, and weight lifting, and in the military.
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All those kumite styles are shite’