I was at the Derbyshire v Northamptonshire final in 1981. I had a great day, although I must admit that, by the end, I was in an advanced state of refreshment. I remember running onto the pitch after the last ball, not sure who had won. Unbelievably, someone I knew but didn't realise was at the match ran onto the pitch from a different direction and passed my line of sight. I had to grab him by the collar and ask who'd won. The references made by commentators to the semi-final refer to a similar finish in that game, when Derbyshire also won by levelling the scores off the last ball, and won by virtue of having lost fewer wickets.
Was at the Northants Vs Derby game with my dad...a 10 year old, obsessed with cricket then and equally as obsessed now. My first visit to Lords. What an atmosphere!
The 235 for 9 that Northants made was a good total back then. I know what you mean though. I think the Indian batsmen were blocking when they played in the first World Cup!!! An awful lot of teams played one day games with the test cricket mentality in the 70’s and early 80’s.
You mean 101 off 34 overs in the 2nd innings of the first game for example! Geez, not even 3 an over - painful! About half of what today's teams would score.
@@mrkipling2201 I wouldn't say they played with a test mentality. Most test matches used to see 90 - 100 overs bowled in a day and an average number of runs scored would be around 230 - 250. 230 plus in 60 overs was significantly quicker, however teams were always worried about getting bowled out without using their overs and so the mentality was more along the lines of, bat to 30 overs without losing many wickets and kick on from there. It was therefore quite common for teams to take around 30 overs to get the first hundred on the board. You do have to take into account how cricket has changed - bats hit the ball with great power nowadays, there were no power plays and no putting the boundary rope closer so you get more sixes.
A bit off the actual cricket but the panama hats worn by umpires Ken Palmer & David Constant in the first of the finals: I don't think they are real panamas because they don't seem to be made of straw - although they are straw-coloured they appear to be made of a winter-hat material and they have a green brim on the inside. I have often made investigations on the internet to see if I could buy a hat just the same as that but without success.
He did - got a place on the India tour after this. Nowhere near a test player. Larkins, on the other hand, was a test player but got no place and ended up going on a rebel tour. Tragic.
Why does Knott 'have to have a go at everything'? Kent need 68 off 10 with 4 wkts left. Later they need 34 off 7 with 3 left. Still no need for slogging. Yet that's what they did.
It was a different time and a different style of cricket. Remember the bats today and the pitches today are much better. Flatter tracks due to better covered pitches and draining and the bats at that time were half as good. If you miss hit a shot now it goes for six, if you miss hit in the 80s it didn’t and you were out. Six runs and over or a run a ball in the 80s was deemed as a lot to get. Bowlers didn’t go for more than 3 to 4 runs an over on limited overs matches.
@@vantheman1238 I think it was just as much about about learning how to play one-day cricket. I think sides were still playing a speeded-up, more frenetic version of 'normal' cricket, hence these run chases overheating when they didn't need to. Players are undoubtedly fitter and more athletic now, which makes it easier to sustain higher run rates - turning ones into twos and twos into threes. Set against that, fielding is better and so is 'death' bowling, so it's not just batting that's evolved. Yes, the ball pings off the bat a bit more now, but not sure pitches have changed at all, or at least significantly enough to make a difference. Maybe you get more batting-friendly fast wickets now.
@@raajac2720 A tad harsh. He was highly successful in county cricket, though admittedly didn't put in stellar performances in any of the four one-day finals he appeared in. A lot of his test performances tried the patience of the average fan, though he arguably did a job for England at a time when they didn't have many batters capable of anchoring an innings. I think this role was self-appointed, as he found tests a big challenge. He was actually a better player than he thought he was.
For someone of his supposed prowess, never had a 5 for for England. 1979 was lost thanks to Richards and Garner. King was just the icing. I would love to have that 1979 windies team play the 2018-2019 England team. Some match!
I was at the Derbyshire v Northamptonshire final in 1981. I had a great day, although I must admit that, by the end, I was in an advanced state of refreshment. I remember running onto the pitch after the last ball, not sure who had won. Unbelievably, someone I knew but didn't realise was at the match ran onto the pitch from a different direction and passed my line of sight. I had to grab him by the collar and ask who'd won. The references made by commentators to the semi-final refer to a similar finish in that game, when Derbyshire also won by levelling the scores off the last ball, and won by virtue of having lost fewer wickets.
me too, were u derby or northants?
@@malk2o Derbyshire.
@@markstevens8571 good man !
Was at the Northants Vs Derby game with my dad...a 10 year old, obsessed with cricket then and equally as obsessed now. My first visit to Lords. What an atmosphere!
Clive Radley won a number of these 70's and 80's finals almost on his own.
Ah the good old days, when 50 up inside 20 overs was good batting and a score in excess of 240 off 60 overs was something to shout about.
Great to see Hugo Drax batting at the end there for Derbyshire!
Garner, Botham, Richards and some others.
Chasing 280. A massive score in those days. How do we approach this? Dribble our way to 140 off 38 overs.
Another Brilliant Upload Keep It up
Fantastic. Takes me right back :)
Was sad to see Dennis Amiss out of form in the 82 final
I wonder if anyone could upload highlights of the semi-final in 1983 when Ian Botham made a brilliant 96 not out.
Chris Broad has gone from respected England opener, to Stuart's dad!
Thnks for the great vid for cricket match
Is that the same Neil Mallender who played test cricket for England in the 1992 series against Pakistan??
Yes. Man of match in first test match
@@rogerjones8840 that’s right. 4th test at Headingley 👍👍
brilliant video!
Brilliant thanks 👍🏽
159 to win from 60 overs? Can they do it, its a daunting 2 and a half an over.
51 off 122 balls. Thats 2 balls more than a T20 innings. How is that acceptable in a one day game?
Love the slow scoring in 81. Unthinkable today
The 235 for 9 that Northants made was a good total back then. I know what you mean though. I think the Indian batsmen were blocking when they played in the first World Cup!!! An awful lot of teams played one day games with the test cricket mentality in the 70’s and early 80’s.
You mean 101 off 34 overs in the 2nd innings of the first game for example! Geez, not even 3 an over - painful! About half of what today's teams would score.
@@mrkipling2201 I wouldn't say they played with a test mentality. Most test matches used to see 90 - 100 overs bowled in a day and an average number of runs scored would be around 230 - 250. 230 plus in 60 overs was significantly quicker, however teams were always worried about getting bowled out without using their overs and so the mentality was more along the lines of, bat to 30 overs without losing many wickets and kick on from there. It was therefore quite common for teams to take around 30 overs to get the first hundred on the board. You do have to take into account how cricket has changed - bats hit the ball with great power nowadays, there were no power plays and no putting the boundary rope closer so you get more sixes.
Richie "this fellow...."
A bit off the actual cricket but the panama hats worn by umpires Ken Palmer & David Constant in the first of the finals: I don't think they are real panamas because they don't seem to be made of straw - although they are straw-coloured they appear to be made of a winter-hat material and they have a green brim on the inside. I have often made investigations on the internet to see if I could buy a hat just the same as that but without success.
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Which year did Hemmings hit the last ball off Lever for four?
1989
Sorry Somerset, but all you really need are Richards, Garner and Botham.
RIP Teddy Thomas
Did Geoff Cook ever play for England? Seemed like quite a talented player
R.C Jones yes 7 tests and half a dozen one dayers extremely talented
He did - got a place on the India tour after this. Nowhere near a test player. Larkins, on the other hand, was a test player but got no place and ended up going on a rebel tour. Tragic.
I was at that Warwicks v Surrey final in 82, and at the B&H between Somerset and Notts that year. Two woeful anticlimaxes, sadly.
Must be the only year when both finals were damp squibs. Usually the Natwest trophy provided very good finishes and occasionally the B+H cup too.
Why does Knott 'have to have a go at everything'? Kent need 68 off 10 with 4 wkts left. Later they need 34 off 7 with 3 left. Still no need for slogging. Yet that's what they did.
It was a different time and a different style of cricket. Remember the bats today and the pitches today are much better. Flatter tracks due to better covered pitches and draining and the bats at that time were half as good. If you miss hit a shot now it goes for six, if you miss hit in the 80s it didn’t and you were out. Six runs and over or a run a ball in the 80s was deemed as a lot to get. Bowlers didn’t go for more than 3 to 4 runs an over on limited overs matches.
@@vantheman1238 I think it was just as much about about learning how to play one-day cricket. I think sides were still playing a speeded-up, more frenetic version of 'normal' cricket, hence these run chases overheating when they didn't need to. Players are undoubtedly fitter and more athletic now, which makes it easier to sustain higher run rates - turning ones into twos and twos into threes. Set against that, fielding is better and so is 'death' bowling, so it's not just batting that's evolved. Yes, the ball pings off the bat a bit more now, but not sure pitches have changed at all, or at least significantly enough to make a difference. Maybe you get more batting-friendly fast wickets now.
Chris tavray is unfit for cricket, even test match.
@@raajac2720 A tad harsh. He was highly successful in county cricket, though admittedly didn't put in stellar performances in any of the four one-day finals he appeared in. A lot of his test performances tried the patience of the average fan, though he arguably did a job for England at a time when they didn't have many batters capable of anchoring an innings. I think this role was self-appointed, as he found tests a big challenge. He was actually a better player than he thought he was.
@@jandekker6008 sorry sir ,if my word hurt i feel sorry ,but his game can't watch .
Bad commentary at 15.00; clearly a good decision by David Constant, the only correct one.
So Geoffrey Boycott was commentating while he was still playing??
As was Botham!
I see they have good old Tom "Echo" Graveney commentating here. All he does is parrot the other commentators.
Is it just me that thinks Hendricks folds up like a deck chair under pressure like he did in the 79 WC final?
For someone of his supposed prowess, never had a 5 for for England. 1979 was lost thanks to Richards and Garner. King was just the icing. I would love to have that 1979 windies team play the 2018-2019 England team. Some match!