Spoiler Alert! Alfred did meet Selena. The part where he told her to go inside a room and leave some food and when Bruce Wayne was searching up her to find her information because she stole some Jewelry.
"I was Born in 97" That's all I needed to hear. Work on your temper kid. Doesn't work in the real world. Focus on your school work and grades. And better taste. Cheers.
by the way, i've seen it three times as well ; ) and yeah sure Alfred PROVIDED some comic relief at times, but he was far more than just that, he was Bruce's moral compass and surrogate father. not sure how deep you want to get with your analysis...
Thank you! Someone finally figured out that John Blake can't train himself, so Bruce will have to return from his exile with Selina at some point to train John.
i remember in one interview nolan said he took a lot of inspiration from the "Dark Knight Returns" comic by frank miller. in retrospect the ending of the comic is similar to the movie, because batman and bruce wayne fakes his death so that he can continues a greater goal. i like to think that the movie is similar plus it does give hints about it.
THANK YOU! I barely seen it once and I already knew that he was alive. Bruce Wayne used that device that was meant for Selina (she uses it too) for her to have a fresh new start.
See i take the opposite approach. I've seen it twice so far and I'm almost certain he's dead. It's not only the nuke, but just how bruce was in general. He was pretty done with the world, it wouldn't sound crazy for him to sacrifice himself. The ending scene was brighter than normal. Same color as his other visions if I'm not mistaken. That could mean cause he's happy, or he's in dream land again. I think he started to frown last second if I'm not mistaken. I feel it's not cut & dry either way
@mdmanny07- Simple, they thought he was really dead. It wasn't until Alfred saw him again that he knew he was alive. Same with Gordon seeing the signal and Fox seeing the logs when the autopilot was fixed.
interestingly enough i still feel the ending can be open ended. sure its easy to say bruce is alive (and i am almost sold on that one), but its possible he died and alfred is imagining it like he always did. we won't really know until there is commentary on the blu-ray. i am still open to theories until that dvd comes out
According to what I heard, a lot of scenes from The Dark Knight Rises was cut out of the movie! I heard they're gonna be like a 30 minutes director cut of The Dark Knight Rises when it comes out to DVD and Blu-ray! If that's true then the movie gonna be like 3 hours and 15 minutes long on DVD and Blu-ray! LOL
Something else U didnt point out was that when alfred sees bruce at the end, he smoles back, but when he saw "bruce" in the imagination he "bruce" was like wtf
@marcowargamer By your logic, Bruce instantly teleported from LSI HOLDINGS to being on top of the skyscraper in hong kong with day turning to night also instantly. Oh and it also took about 1 second for batman to pull joker up by the grapple after he fell about 500 feet. So how are we supposed to only interpret each scene in sequential real time, that defeats the objective of a story spanning months being told in under 3 months, time is suggestively "moved on" throughout the whole film
OK 1) Alfred has seen selina when bruce was looking up her convictions, he then said her and wayne should have coffee in a desperate attempt to find someone.
alfred cried at the funeral, and im pretty sure someone is gonna recognize bruce if he just walks around gotham, also he has a building and an entire company with his name on it, you cant just demolish that. i think alfred might be imagining it
Alfred also said in the beginning, "I never wanted you to come back to gotham because i knew it had nothing here for you" Nodding just knowing you were "safe" and "happy" Thumbs up if you agree
Just hear me out: After the whole thing with Dent about making peace based on a lie, I find that the ending doesn't really match with the themes of the movie. He inspires the people of Gotham by having them think he gave his life for the city...
Alfred meet seleena at the very start of the movie, and also on picture when wayne is looking for her in his computer when he goes back to the batcave for the first time in the movie.
When Alfred is talking to Bruce, he says something along the lines of "I'll nod at you and you'll nod back, we wont say a word, and I'll know you've made it." In the last scene of the movie, Bruce smiles and nods at Alfred and Alfred grins and nods back, finishes his tiny little drink and gets up and leaves. Bruce made it - Batman lives on.
I understand your meaning, but I'm still convinced he's dead. I have very valid reasons as well. My main problem is that why would Alfred absolutely break down "I failed you, you trusted me, and I failed you," and then when he sees Bruce alive, he doesn't even blink, or smile, or even care, it's as if it isn't real. Also Nolan is known for his open endings. And also there was another dream, (holy shit he's back, no wait it's a dream) sequence where Liam Neeson comes back.
i just watched it recently and noticed another very subtle clue that he is alive. when they're giving Bruce Wayne's possessions away as per his will, the guy who read the will is doing inventory and mentions that an item is missing. he said the missing item is "a sting of pearls" so that means Bruce took his mother's necklace and, presumably, gave it to Catwoman since she liked it so much.
3) he was still in the ship with 5 seconds on the bomb. now that was a nuclear bomb with a 6 mile blast radius to wipe out an entire city. even if he had ejected from the aircraft he still would have been killed regardless. there was no way of him surviving. Alfred saw what he wanted to see.
Also, when Bane says at the start it would be "extremely painful" the guy says "you're a big guy" and then Bane says "for you"... I thought initially he was saying he was a big guy for him, but really I think it means it would be extremely painful for him... Gotta love Chris Nolan and his writing skills =)
or just make the clues more subtle... I think it would be a good "art house" touch, or maybe art house wouldn't really work with the typical target audience for a batman movie, they probably need absolutes and need every last detail spoon fed to them, or at least that's what WB studio executives believe...
Spoiler Alert! Alfred did meet Selena. The part where he told her to go inside a room and leave some food and when Bruce Wayne was searching up her to find her information because she stole some Jewelry.
Yeah, Nolan is incredible in that way. My favourite film of his is still The Prestige, incredible film. I'd love to see him do a Bond film.
You're forgetting one little detail, my friend. He's the goddamn Batman! :D
"I was Born in 97"
That's all I needed to hear. Work on your temper kid. Doesn't work in the real world. Focus on your school work and grades. And better taste. Cheers.
Awesome point!
When have u seen an eject seat that go's up 56 miles
the 3rd one was PERFECT :D
by the way, i've seen it three times as well ; )
and yeah sure Alfred PROVIDED some comic relief at times, but he was far more than just that, he was Bruce's moral compass and surrogate father.
not sure how deep you want to get with your analysis...
Thank you! Someone finally figured out that John Blake can't train himself, so Bruce will have to return from his exile with Selina at some point to train John.
i remember in one interview nolan said he took a lot of inspiration from the "Dark Knight Returns" comic by frank miller. in retrospect the ending of the comic is similar to the movie, because batman and bruce wayne fakes his death so that he can continues a greater goal. i like to think that the movie is similar plus it does give hints about it.
@Leeman595 : Thank you! I so agree! Some at keast knows whats really going to happen!
Watch the end of the movie again. The Auto-pilot was already fixed ;)
His cape, remember his cape and why how he's alive
I say he wasn't imagining him being there
Superman saved him, Justice League!! Coming!!
i dont think alfred was imagining it
am i the only one actually watching and realizing that this guy's gameplay is awesome and that hes really good at it?
THANK YOU! I barely seen it once and I already knew that he was alive. Bruce Wayne used that device that was meant for Selina (she uses it too) for her to have a fresh new start.
It's my favourite movie too!
saw it twice coz maybe you didnt get it in the 1st go! :P
You represent yourself well! Cheers. manage that anger =)
@haigna i highly doubt your theory, although it is a rather solid one :P then again Bruce fixed the autopilot himself as said in a record at Fox's lab
See i take the opposite approach. I've seen it twice so far and I'm almost certain he's dead. It's not only the nuke, but just how bruce was in general. He was pretty done with the world, it wouldn't sound crazy for him to sacrifice himself. The ending scene was brighter than normal. Same color as his other visions if I'm not mistaken. That could mean cause he's happy, or he's in dream land again. I think he started to frown last second if I'm not mistaken. I feel it's not cut & dry either way
wait wait wait im confused i thought that batman later dies and nightwing takes his place i dont know
however it turns out.. amazing movie!
leave it to alfred to make badass decisions for him it reminds me of arkham city
@mdmanny07- Simple, they thought he was really dead. It wasn't until Alfred saw him again that he knew he was alive. Same with Gordon seeing the signal and Fox seeing the logs when the autopilot was fixed.
interestingly enough i still feel the ending can be open ended. sure its easy to say bruce is alive (and i am almost sold on that one), but its possible he died and alfred is imagining it like he always did. we won't really know until there is commentary on the blu-ray. i am still open to theories until that dvd comes out
oh wait, he mentions this clue in the video. oopsie
@Maximumart *3 hours not montd
yay gameplay audio was fixed :)
According to what I heard, a lot of scenes from The Dark Knight Rises was cut out of the movie! I heard they're gonna be like a 30 minutes director cut of The Dark Knight Rises when it comes out to DVD and Blu-ray! If that's true then the movie gonna be like 3 hours and 15 minutes long on DVD and Blu-ray! LOL
Something else U didnt point out was that when alfred sees bruce at the end, he smoles back, but when he saw "bruce" in the imagination he "bruce" was like wtf
explain the part when he is buried and alfred was crying
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@marcowargamer By your logic, Bruce instantly teleported from LSI HOLDINGS to being on top of the skyscraper in hong kong with day turning to night also instantly. Oh and it also took about 1 second for batman to pull joker up by the grapple after he fell about 500 feet. So how are we supposed to only interpret each scene in sequential real time, that defeats the objective of a story spanning months being told in under 3 months, time is suggestively "moved on" throughout the whole film
Smiles, wow i cant type
I ment can't at the end there:/
no he had auto pilot on ehich allowed him to eject remember
Except that it's already been confirmed by the cast that he's alive. The novel and script confirm that he's alive.
Thats actualy a pretty nice explanation and its 100percent possible!!!!
but Alfred did see Catwoman (the "Cat") at the start of the movie during the Harvey Dent Memorial thing.
OK
1) Alfred has seen selina when bruce was looking up her convictions, he then said her and wayne should have coffee in a desperate attempt to find someone.
Freakin amazing movie
When the woman at the end said Robin was his real name, that part gave me chills.
lol the *two together
alfred cried at the funeral, and im pretty sure someone is gonna recognize bruce if he just walks around gotham, also he has a building and an entire company with his name on it, you cant just demolish that. i think alfred might be imagining it
why? can you prove that? unless you do, the scene can ONLY be interpreted as immediately after.
He hasn't been seen in 8 years, except for 1 party.
Obviously, before he knew, he thought he was dead just like everyone else...
Great points. Best movie ever!!!
Hahahaha!
@ 7. Gordon was supposed to be surprised that it was fixed. He didn't repair it.
Alfred also said in the beginning, "I never wanted you to come back to gotham because i knew it had nothing here for you" Nodding just knowing you were "safe" and "happy" Thumbs up if you agree
@PokemonMasterAuron yes!!!!!
Maybe super man saved him? it sould explain it!
Dark knife! HAHA! *Dark KNIGHT* my bad
Great Analysis, but stop with the "guys" every three words!!!
maybe he just wants to keep things open for a new trilogy for any director that wants it
This is what I've been telling everybody, but no one believes me!
Just hear me out:
After the whole thing with Dent about making peace based on a lie, I find that the ending doesn't really match with the themes of the movie. He inspires the people of Gotham by having them think he gave his life for the city...
Alfred meet seleena at the very start of the movie, and also on picture when wayne is looking for her in his computer when he goes back to the batcave for the first time in the movie.
OMFG finnaly somebody understanding holy shit...!
um Alfred meets Selina Kyle in the 2nd scene in the movie.
When Alfred is talking to Bruce, he says something along the lines of "I'll nod at you and you'll nod back, we wont say a word, and I'll know you've made it." In the last scene of the movie, Bruce smiles and nods at Alfred and Alfred grins and nods back, finishes his tiny little drink and gets up and leaves. Bruce made it - Batman lives on.
This time Alfred smiled when he saw Bruce because it was really him this time. The times when he imagined he saw him, he didn't smile at them.........
auto-pilot the aircraft through the ocean with the bomb, he survives.
i disagree with 2:00-2:25
wait if selina has the necklace, couldnt alfred use the tracking system in the gps in it to find him?
Yes! The shots in the beginning were not shot together!!
I understand your meaning, but I'm still convinced he's dead. I have very valid reasons as well. My main problem is that why would Alfred absolutely break down "I failed you, you trusted me, and I failed you," and then when he sees Bruce alive, he doesn't even blink, or smile, or even care, it's as if it isn't real. Also Nolan is known for his open endings. And also there was another dream, (holy shit he's back, no wait it's a dream) sequence where Liam Neeson comes back.
in 3D!!!!????? HMMMM.
"The autopilot on the "bat" was fixed 6 months ago
I knew he droped it ya
yeah the dark knight rises after 8 years from the original dark knight
maybe we'll get a director's cut to clear it all up...
he was never in the bat when it exploded.
I am going with zackwwedge he's right
Bruce is ALIVE!!!
right, I got that, but he must have had at most around 7 seconds to get away... how did he do it?
i just watched it recently and noticed another very subtle clue that he is alive. when they're giving Bruce Wayne's possessions away as per his will, the guy who read the will is doing inventory and mentions that an item is missing. he said the missing item is "a sting of pearls" so that means Bruce took his mother's necklace and, presumably, gave it to Catwoman since she liked it so much.
How in the world could it be "the best movie of all times"... It was great without a doubt, but man... come on
@razer0072073 Batman>Nuclear bomb. Your argument is invalid.
what about the funeral? i mean alfred was crying at a funeral
3) he was still in the ship with 5 seconds on the bomb. now that was a nuclear bomb with a 6 mile blast radius to wipe out an entire city. even if he had ejected from the aircraft he still would have been killed regardless. there was no way of him surviving. Alfred saw what he wanted to see.
Fox and Gordon know he's alive as well. So does Blake
And of course the fact that Bruce faking his death is right from the Dark knight returns comic book.
I saw him playing call of duty, he instantly lost all credibility
Good, short summary!
Well theres one thing that you forgot its that I AM BATMAN!!!!
Also, when Bane says at the start it would be "extremely painful" the guy says "you're a big guy" and then Bane says "for you"... I thought initially he was saying he was a big guy for him, but really I think it means it would be extremely painful for him... Gotta love Chris Nolan and his writing skills =)
Afred didnt no anything about Bruce and Selena love life so how could he picture them
If he was dead I am sure that Christopher Nolan would also be dead
@superasad3331 idiot
@superasad3331 idiot
Because he's Batman to all of those questions
or just make the clues more subtle...
I think it would be a good "art house" touch, or maybe art house wouldn't really work with the typical target audience for a batman movie, they probably need absolutes and need every last detail spoon fed to them, or at least that's what WB studio executives believe...
Alfred knows about Selena and Bruce I think
you keep say anyways guys too much... almost sounds like one word...