Which Objective Is BEST? Ft.
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- čas přidán 29. 11. 2023
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Did you get your mind changed or was there something you didnt expect to hear? lmk in the comments!
i think you could have given more numbers to the discussion, it's good to compare the exact EXP of the objectives to the EXP given by wild pkm
edit: thanks Evochron
@@ChesterRGCwell, that's just not how he wanted to approach it. But if you watch to the end, you'll see why he chose to include so many other content creators in this video. Each contributor has their own unique style, and the last one is an analyst who goes full-mathematical. Your brain will tingle.
You forgot to talk about regitube
Honestly I had the same strategy in mind. Basically I think of it like "get bottom regi unless top regi is useful".
I mean, think about it.
Solo q teammates wasting time on eleki breaking a goal with no overcap? What good would that do? Surely nothing good.
But if you take Regieleki when you already have an advantage and you're looking for a fight, you get to basically announce, *"HEY NERDS, FISTICUFFS AT TOP LANE, LET'S FIGHT!"* Forcing a situation where the enemy team has to take a fight they're not ready for, or be behind in points by rayquaza, is where I'd say eleki is ideal.
But to get that strong, go for bottom regi first if you can. You'll get plenty of exp and a buff that way!
Hey spragels I have a good video idea I want to share with you
Glad someone finally said that the reason we break T2 goals is because we want to tilt the enemy. A team of ragers pinging each other plays worse than a team that is focused on fighting together and winning.
But normally the situation can be the opposite if the team has more than half a brain working, because SoloQ players often become overconfident, so if your team can muster 3 unites and somehow manages to get atleast 4 kills, you're suddenly back in the game, so as long you can delay the second regieleki enough, in a way that a third doesn't happen, it can happen that your team gets into Ray with an experience lead, and as long as you can get some backcaps during the game or an overwhelming last fight the 200-300 point deficit actually doesn't matter much, especially because SoloQ players suck at math, so they don't do massive overcaps
@@diegoemanuel8641that's not normally, the solo q player is terrible, what normally would happen is the enemy team surrenders or afk after losing T2 goals.
@15chagO see the problem with most unite players are they exclude themselves when they talk about solo q. You may not realize it but just because your team sucks doesn't mean your not part of the problem. You will always think your better then everyone and not realize some mistakes you do out of emotion. As far as the player base goes, everyone is solo q players except themselves. Not you specifically BTW I mean in general.
@@xXBlackBloodXx100 it's a courtesy, to include oneself in the group being discussed, but I will say with great confidence, I'm above the median skill of the solo q player base, as a solo q player myself, I do research, I understand micro and macro, I'm above +1600 every season, +60 winrate, and I do make bad plays and mistakes in every match like any human being would make, the point still stands, the solo q player base is normally trash, you can go and watch any stream and see how often people have rough matches all the time, I do, sometimes I made mistakes and that cost us, but I try to identify the issue and try to catch up, others fail, blame others, afk or surrender, that's the difference between a good player and a bad one.
Break T2 to crush moral
I think that BruvHD guy has a pretty cool hat
I love that guy
top tier hat for sure
I think you missed something. You dont get the buff from the bottle regi if you are ko. You get the experience but not the boost.
Yes very true!
@@spragelswhat's hilarious is when regieleki was just broken one shooting things it actually could've helped quite a bit and I miss rotom
I wish unite players start watching spragels guide videos and get better
Nobody can beat that old drednaw fight
rotate to dred!
It's coming soon!!! 🎉🎉🎉
As a soloQ-er, I often have to remind myself to think more flexibly and go where the team is.
As a carry, especially on Ttar who often is tardy to the first objectives, I've learned that bottom is more valuable first, but also trying to not let your team get demoralized by showing up wherever they are can help a lot.
This is pure gold content. Thank Spragels and thank you to all pro players who gave us great pro tips.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I genuinely had a match that everyone was top lane against the first regi with bottom having already spawned twice. At some point I broke off, as Inteleon, and said screw it, leveling up. Ended up getting ahead, coming back to the still there fight after doing bot Regi solo, got pinged of course. And being higher level with Registeel buff, helped wipe the enemy team top.
Oh come on, you were Inteleon. You'd be much farther ahead playing with your team scoring lots of KOs
@@shubhamjohri9231 With the internet as it is, I genuinely can't tell if this was sarcasm. Haha. But probably not, since they had a mew, and were staying far back.
TFW your text makes it into the video but it says "Cold Heart Facts" instead of "Cold Hard Facts".
hahaha
12:30 loved the part where the cowboy was inside me
The answer all comes down to whats likely to get you the most value over the enemy team. The first bottom objective will give more value, but it’s not always something you can go for. Sometimes you can’t contest fighting the enemy team, so trying to will end up giving them even more value than if they just got the objective with no opposition because they got EXP from killing you. Just go where the enemy team isn’t. Be sneaky with it. Don’t bash your head into a brick wall trying to fight the enemy team when they’re ahead in EXP.
You’re speaking as a carry, which I can relate to 😂 but if your team’s on board there’s no need to run away from the fight. As you said you just need to weigh things up well..
@@Patcypritty Yeah, if you’re team is going one way, usually its better to go that way as well, especially if you’re a more supportive role. If your team is walking into a deathtrap you still may want to try and find value elsewhere though.
My mind is actually changed. Thank you for putting out this video and gathering lots of valid opinions for it!
I enjoy being a regieleki gamer because after that the top path T1 goal becomes so easy to maintain and imo it's a huge positioning advantage for the rest of the game. But after watching this I will definitely be rotating bottom at 7:00 to get the better global experience and help out my teammates (they need it badly 😂)
This. If people learn from these videos like you do, the overall playerbase wouldn't be so bad.
Yea sometimes you want your t1 to be broken for the free stuff! Ignore eleki until our first base is broken
It's nice to see the different perspectives of creators and pro and how they explain the benefit and drawbacks of both objectives. Also, the points of this video are some of my thoughts especially on SoloQ as it was usually around "What's the win condition? Or Which objective is more beneficial according to time, i.e. 2 and a half minute mark". Thanks for this video, as I've been wondering if thinking far ahead maybe too overly 'tryhard' or 'exaggerated' for a Pokemon game 😅
It’s a moba. You’re supposed to think that far ahead, especially since mechanically, compared to most games, it really isn’t that demanding, leaving you a lot of time to plan ahead.
If you watch or play competitive Pokémon, thinking far ahead isn’t that Uncommon
It's great that people do realise and know about this 😊When I wrote this comment, I was remembering in some spragels's previous streams that some people in chat asked "Why he did that play? Or Why he didn't join the team fight? Or Why he started ripping Ray?" And even after spragels explained his reasoning about the win condition, they still don't understand it. Welp, chat being chat I guess...
This is a beautiful idea. Would love a full podcast of these kinds of subjects. Could call it a “Roaring Roundup”
Great video. I normally prioritize bottom but hearing explanations about when to go to eleki was helpful.
One other situation for uncoordinated solo queue in Eleki's favor is that if you can send Eleki toward the opponent right before Rayquaza, you can often get one or two players on the opposing team to defend a goal pad against Eleki at the start of the Rayquaza battle, giving your team the numbers advantage. I'd still prefer bottom Regi, but I don't feel bad around 2:30 if my solo queue team gathers for Eleki instead.
When it’s basically acting as Zapdos at the end of the game, definitely go for it just before the Ray fight, otherwise, it just doesn’t really give any advantage
@@RedL1keRoses7 Keep in mind, it only does that if both top goals are closed. I think Keith is just talking about the distraction it creates from the Ray fight giving an early advantage in the fight if there are inexperienced players on the other team that take the bait. Personally, I just prefer to stay away from it because I think it's a trap. People start a team fight at 2:30, the fight drags on to 2:15, your carry gets KO'd for 20 seconds along with someone else on your team and you are down 3v5 at the start of Ray. Any team worth their salt knows your situation and immediately puts pressure in your jungle to force the fight before they return and you end up losing the game due to something that was ENTIRELY avoidable because you were fighting for something with minimal value.
You can't do that if their T1 and T2 goals haven't been broken yet. Playing for Regieleki isn't really griefing. Go to the objective where your team is going though. Both are fine to go for, just fight with your team during objectives.
My mind was mostly reinforced!!! But i did learn some things. One concept i gained that was really good was the importance of not surrendering extra exp in order to attempt to gain (and not even certainly gain) exp. Another really neat point was from slashcan and CrisHeroes; between the two of them, they mentioned the concept of gaining from the rewards, like, if you give exp to your garbage teammates, they'll keep dying and giving exp to the enemy (thus alerting me to realizing the importance of not dying in team fights while ahead - now i have a new balance to think about!!!). And, if you take top regi, the concept of negative value that spragels provided was awesome. Back to CrisH, i learned that reinforcing your team's bad decision can be a better personal decision than trying to force the right choice; i kinda knew this already, but that really reinforces it. Finally, i learned from the analyst guy at the end some really cool numbers that helped me conceptualize just how much benefit is gained, experience-wise, from each regi; between that and the explanation at the beginning of the different regi bottom buffs, i feel very confident in knowing what each regi does, and.. spragels, i just gotta say thanks again for another fantastic, visionary video. I really appreciate how community-organizing you can be!!!^~^
I liked the editing on this video. Really slick with the sprites.
Thx for having me on!
Thanks for your thoughts champ!
The only thing I didn't hear anyone say, is Regieleckis use if you get it right before the 2 minute mark. Once it starts walking towards their T2 or base, even after Ray spawns, you are pretty much guaranteed to have at least two players from the opposing team distracted from the Ray fight which is a huge advantage
I wish this video came out sooner to teach new players. Very appreciative of this!
This is such a good comphrehensive video, I used this advice today and finally broke into Ultra Class! Much appreciated, YeeHaw!
Spragles this was a very good informative video. Things I never thought about. Thank you for this video
Very great video. Unite should use this video as like a tutorial. Great job again spragles
I didn't even know about that effect of regi eleki late game. Thank you spragels!!!
This video makes me realize how blessed we are as a community. We have so many amazing content creators and pro players. As bad as everything else with this game can be, we truly are blessed in that aspect!
Now these types of videos i like.
Happy to hear it!
I’m glad you made a video about this. I always typically go for bottom regi but I’ll try bottom bottom top 😂😂
I agree with everything you said here. Taking the bottom objective and even losing the top one can a BENEFIT. Breaking the first goal with Eleki doesn't help all that much. I would say that in most matches, the second tier of goals aren't broken until the post-Rayq time... unless your team has awful synergy and team work. That's why more people surrender if they lose it, because your team isn't working together at all, the enemy team likely IS, and the chances of coming together for Rayq and suddenly doing what you haven't been doing the entire match is slim. Not impossible, its certainly happened, but its not common.
I just wish I could get more teammates that paid ANY attention to the objectives, any of the three.
A lot of top players are showing off their beds in the background. When do we get to see Spragels's bed? I really liked the collaborative video, and I think these type of videos can really boost interest in Unite! Thanks!
It can also depend what Pokémon each team has, if you’ve got a lot of Pokémon that need to evolve twice then bottom can be the clear choice, if your team is mostly close range in solo queue, top leki can be a good way to force fights. Sometimes that’s all you need to help your garchomp get some catchup exp from koing attackers that just kite. also sets up some great snipes for decidueye, venu, mew, and inteleon.
Obviously depends on how the map looks, but I always prioritize bot. I love letting my top tier 1 go so I can get those 3 indidi's for my team. I don't think there's a hard better or worse, but knowing what brings more value at the time is what matters. Like driving through a yellow light, you gotta commit to your decision.
Something I feel that is usually not discussed in this debate is staggered objectives. If bot regi was defeated let's say 30 seconds or even a full minute before Reginald-eleki was defeated, it is better to rotate to every objective unless you have a large amount of farm on the map. The reason being that there is always some form of benefit to securing an objective even if it is an eleki that never makes it to tower. (Keep in mind tho that sometimes 3rd basement regis can be quite dangerous close to Rayquaza spawn). The main thing is to always try to maintain a lead when ahead (avoid getting KO'd) and when behind look for angles where you can gain experience (farming wild mons, prioritizing KOs on enemies over objectives, stealing objectives when it makes sense, etc.) Another thing I would like to add is that sometimes you just have to play to catch an enemy eleki. Sometimes simply not contesting, letting them rip and secure eleki, and then baiting them to push your tower is the best play. Having tower healing and shielding when defending can be the key to knocking out enemies even if they have eleki fighting with them. One final thing is that some players are afraid to let eleki just walk in and break an outer tower that is below 20 points. This is almost always beneficial as you gain 3 indeedees and bees/altarias on your side of the map while also minimizing the overdunk the enemies can gain from your outer goal.
I relearned the regirock buffs. I had completely forgotten it also gave a special def buff along with def.
I think this video will help gameplay a ton in solo queue. Players are going to be generally regurgitating what has been said in this video for months and months, and it will become standardized best practice to more players. The presentation is what did it; just having multiple skilled players, back-to-back, giving tips in one place. You've done the research for the people who wouldn't have done it otherwise.
For solo queue players, they can use that regis as a decoy for sneaky scoring to have a huge lead that let your team do an anti ray flip strategy - depending your both goals and killing enemies so that they can't kill ray
It all comes down to the fact which objective your team is planning to go cause if no one's showing up to Bottom Regis and the other team has their full squad over there it's much more safer to go for top Regis to compensate for the bottom goal. I just go wherever my teammates plan to go to and not just trying to steal the objective which the enemy will most likely get if my team isn't present there.
Man is so close to 200k!
yuuuuup!
Every guide I've ever watched says bottom is better in most cases, so I've always kind of adopted that mindset, though admittedly I'm still not very good at keeping track of match time and when to rotate where, so often I just end up fighting wherever I already am. I tend to play bot lane most often, so I end up there anyway a lot of the time.
One thing that stood out to me about the whole thing was bot Reg being global and top Eleki being something you have to be present for to get benefit. The cynic in me can't help but feel like there are some people who go to Eleki specifically because they don't want to miss out on that Exp while hoping someone else gets bot Reg and they get to double-dip on the rewards in that case. Not a realistic expectation to win both easily like that, but...
I dunno. Majority of players go Eleki at the levels of play I'm at, and maybe that's part of the reason why. Or maybe that's assuming too much of lower ranked players' knowledge and that's all silly conspiracy theory.
Great info from everyone!
Sometimes when the enemy team gets top regi, and our top goal is going to break from it I just let it go in (like 20 points to the 20 point regi, or like 19 and so on)
I think we missed an important part of this discussion: when (and which) top laners should rotate to bot objective - specifically around the 7:30 mark.
Assuming that bottom Regi is the more valuable first objective, it is sometimes more beneficial for one or two top lane Pokémon to stay top, depending on if they're stacking, if the enemy top laners are stacking, if there are 2-3 enemies top already, if your carry needs to free farm top, and more.
I won't go into all the nuances of this decision - i think you could make a 5-10 minute video on this alone - but a general rule to consoder is: "Do i gain more value - or deny more value to the enemy - if I remain top instead of rotating bottom?"
Rules of simple thumb:
- early bout (1st 3 mins) if u are lacking XP, go bottom hands down.
- early bout if you are winning OR managed to close break outer top goal, go top all the way.
The global btm exp is actually fixated, esp with the latest update which many do not really see.
lvl 1~5 is quite easily done using small dunks on goals, not all on farming.
5~8, u need bouts and dunks + 2 birds.
8~11, objectives and 3 pokemons.
11~13, objectives and 5 pokemons or 2 pokemons + 1 death (boost Unite if on CD)
For solo queue, the biggest variety in decisions actually is based on what role you’re playing. Defenders, Supporters, certain non-carry attackers, and certain non-carry all rounders will almost always prefer to be where the team fight is. Since this is usually top, as carries tend to want to go top for the bonus xp, this is usually what happens.
However, if you’re a carry mon with good secure/rip, you should almost always go bot, because even if the team fight is on top, the buff and xp from bottom regi is always way more important.
This is why map awareness is super important. Always take advantage of where your opponent is, because the moment they’re displaced is when you can take advantage of a lead.
I think top Regi takes priority only if the first goal is broken.
The bottom Regi always gives well needed experience, shield and buffs the team basically. Setting you up to take a goal, if the team fights together.
i.e you should mostly focus on top if you are pressuring the second goal.
Bottom mostly takes priority, unless you lossing.
I’d say top only if T1 at bot is lost already. Bot is just too important and Leki really sucks if the enemy has a defender to block it unless it’s later in the game and your team has a level advantage to be able to actually have a chance at pushing a T2 goal.
@@dumdumer892 I see your point, randoms refuse to rotate when bot T1 is lost tho. That creates a problem when your team is trying to secure Leki.
Sometimes this game is just too frustrating 😤
@@ClariHero You mean you might have the bot laners stay bot and stubbornly try and snipe the basement regi instead of rotating to help at Leki? Yeah I agree that does suck when you get a team that won’t fight together. It’s rough out there in soloQ 😅
@@dumdumer892 definitely not, maybe 1 can stay bot to protect goal if need be. But if you putting pressure on, definitely all hands on deck for top Regi and rotate back maybe once secured. All depends on the fights
Definitely a mess in solo.
@@ClariHero Yeah ideally I would like my carry to stay bot to take the farms and protect if anyone shows before those farms are cleared and to rotate once that’s finished, either through the jungle (farming along the way) them to top or just straight to top. Everyone else I’d like to be at Leki though in this scenario. Not only do you want to take Leki but also to have a team there to get exp from kills in the team fight once the enemy rotates up after basement regi. Winning the team fight or at least being able to pick off some of the enemy could help close the gap for the advantage basement regi gave the enemy.
Lol of course, though, soloQ is rarely gonna go that smoothly and like you said, it all depends on the fights. This stuff is very situational and you can’t expect your soloQ team to have good macro so you’ve gotta be able to adapt each match.
Man’s at the end got me. Whatever he said I believe it.
Yeah for me priority switches. Generally im always going bottom for that exp boost. If it’s a team fight that’s taking all match I’ll split off and rip top objective only for the fact that it makes the other team panic and defend allowing my team to take bottom. The last regi under 3 minutes is the most important objective to be at so it can pressure the enemy team into dumb decisions during ray.
RubberyGooGirl truly is the Zeraora randomly backcapping during a big team fight 😂😂
I got to Masters (1200) focusing on the top objective LOL. Probably would've had an easier time going for bottom, will definitely try this in my pursuit for 2000+ Masters. Thanks Spragels!!!!
In the low ranks, top is probably better because that’s just where all the low rank players go, so you’ll be with your team, and get less annoyed from the constant pings from players who simply don’t understand the game. Those players just see it as “I scored more so I got mvp so that means I’m better”, when that could easily have been the reason they lost. They only scored and never tried to over level the enemy team, leading to a lost ray and game. The higher you get, (hopefully) the players will be better and tend to rotate more towards bot.
@@RedL1keRoses7 you're absolutely right - spot on analysis
My take:
At FIRST objective spawn, if I have a Tier 2 Top Goal still I prioritize Bottom for the Buff and exp early game, however if the bottom is broken my team my focus on just trying to take out Tier 1&2 Top lane, if both Top AND Bottom are gone, we’ll prioritize Bottom to try and make a difference in levels to make up for the loss of bottom goal.
At SECOND objective we will almost ALWAYS prioritize Eleki over bottom Regis, cause late in game a push from that Second spawn Eleki can really cause the enemy team to panic a little, and in that time it may even give us the chance to take bottom Regi if it’s still available, HOWEVER we may prioritize bottom Regi if we still have both Tier2 Goals and the bottom Regi is a Registeel for that additional Attack Damage.
As for 3rd it will always be Eleki if it has enough time to spawn.
eleki can be used to safe farm as well. the other team needs to leave at least 1 person defending it. while this happens, you roam the map looking for a solo kill, jungle stealing, stacking on the other lane or simply farming your side of the map
I think it depends in the current situation in the match.. Also pends on which objective spawns at bot path
A thing that no one really thinks about is the bot regi fights, because often as a support main I see my team die at bot regi and the opponents get the objective and the team kills. So that's just smth to think about.
I always seem to get teammates who are doing whatever, fighting over mid lane, never coming for objectives and trying to sneak in goals and getting koed at the 2 min mark .
If regileki paid my bills, i might consider going to it first
Regice pays my cellphone bill
Full force on 1st top regi and going suicide squad on bottom regi before 2 minutes mark is how most of my matches went. Most casual players seem to prefer having a mini boss on their side terrorizing the enemy goal instead of global experience/buff. Thou they also seem to later realize its importance when Ray starts with them being 11~12 at most.
I agree with the last one. Basically, unless it is in the sub 3 minute mark and enemy top secondary is already closed, the bottom is the better choice. Only other time is 7 minute regis and you already lost your bot primary. Nothing said was a surprise to me here.
Umm can we talk about 4:11
Damn Spragels popped off
fun match
My mind was changed. I always thought bot was better but didn’t think of the value of top right before the two minute mark. It might even be more valuable than Ray. It forces their team to decide what to stop, or let you score.
While always being a Bottom Regi believer but i needed this video just to help understand the best for you circumstance, because I understand Eleki exist for a reason it's not useless
I thought the main objective was to wear silly outfits and help your jungler with their clear
No it isn't
My opinion has always been the same as Spragels, which ideally would be taking bot->bot->top. I have always been a believer of keeping an EXP lead. If your team is behind, you're much more likely to lose a team fight, which in turn would allow your opponents to score (thus losing the score lead-- which I assume is why so many players focus on Regileki and does a lot of reckless T2 scoring). Having EXP lead will also help winning the Ray fight, and winning that fights helps your team to win the game drastically.
The opinion that, in solo queue, giving your teammates EXP would lead to them feeding the enemies thus giving them more EXP, is interesting... but I think that's a bad way to think in a game. When your teammates are at a higher level, there's a chance that they... won't lose as often, or perhaps not at all if things go well enough. But if your teammates are at a lower level... their odds of losing to enemies raise drastically. Soon you'll get surrender votes from people who have no confidence in winning. Basically if your teammates are so bad, then, there's really nothing you can do to salvage it anyway. But even okay/decent teammates will struggle if their levels are behind. There's absolutely no reason to intentionally keep your teammates' level low.
I like Cris' opinion/method the best. While I do think bot->bot->top would be ideal, practically, I think going to whichever objective/path has more teammates (or is winning more), is the smarter choice. In solo queue teams are unlikely to be coordinated, so you can easily get a 4~5 vs 2~3 setup when you "unite" with your team (even if they really prioritize Regileki). Just winning a team fight like that will most likely to give you some EXP... and more importantly, a morale boost. Maybe they'd even rotate if the other objective is still up. (But maybe they won't too. It's solo queue.)
On the other hand, if you split up, and no one on your team is winning on their own, the odds of losing both objectives will increase. Like Phil said, losing both objectives is worse than losing just one. By winning/securing one objective, it will at least avert the worst case scenario.
If the opportunity presented itself to break tier 2 early I go for it to tilt the enemy. But other than that Leki like Cris said you still have to do something with it. Having Exp. lead and buffs to try to help your crazy soloQ teammates to win fights is way more valuable. The one I agree the most is probably Inder.
Great video btw
Next video idea. What could make top equally valuable
THE 200K ARE HERE SOON !!! ❤
4:35 yeah but look at you now 😂
Most people don’t know how to get full value from leiki either. You can use it to invade jungle score bottom while the other team is defending top have a numbers advantage for bot regi or to catch up on farming while the other team is defending
I always heard bot Regi was SUPER important so I tried to always go for it first but I always would go
Top Regi > Bot Regi > Top Regi > Bot Regi
But now that I know more about them, that’s definitely gonna change!
Thank you for uploading this! Hopefully more people will follow this advice and burn it to their brains so they do better as a team.
Bot regi is definitely what you should do for the first regi spawns, but the rest of the game is more situational
@@RedL1keRoses7 For sure! I tend to do bot Regi first nowadays, but It kinda depends on which one’s taken first. If it’s bot then I’ll rotate to top vice versa
What I learnt, is that the stun from Dnite's Outrage stops you from taking Hoopa's portal 🧐
I wish they'd remove it all together
@@mrsdragonite ... Removed... the regis?...
@@estebanpinedasanchez9282 Outrage stun
Cool to see everyone us on the same page, at least for skilled players, imagine if one or two people disagreed...
Surprised that nobody mentioned that regieleki forces players to respond to it or risk losing a tier 2 goal or making home base goal vulnerable. If you force 1 or more players to be top to respond to regieleki, then that means those players can't apply presence anywhere else. Forcing players to respond to regieleki can allow you various opportunities depending on the situation such as collecting farm on opposite sides of the map safely, pressuring bottom goals or bottom regis if they're up, and forcing uneven numbers fight to your advantage, which all allow you to play and manipulate the map to your advantage. The ones that say regieleki is bad are the ones that using it to break the tier 1 goal or letting it die to the enemy for free and don't see the true potential of this split pushing menace.
I've come back to the game after years, i started playing ranked and I've gotten to mid expert rank as of now and I've only lost one game so far. My strat is to dominate bot and EVERYONE goes for top regi every game and i just solo blitz bottom regi which usually helps them win the fight top.
Remember, the baltoy in the back is the most important always, even at ray
Hope my soloQ teammates watch this and implement it.
Also another thing that I see almost no one talk about is, breaking the top goal provides you with 3 indeedees, while breaking the bottom goal gives you only 2.
My advice to my friends is that you only break enemy's bottom goal and let them break your top goal for better exp lead, unless you plan on eleiki, then you go for their top goal
You have no idea how much I hope my solo queue teammates see this video.
They should add regidrago on top that can do something else like protect your goal or neutralize enemies bot regi buff etc etc.
excellent video!!! loved hearing all the opinions. bottom regi FTW
I only consider 'leki as a bait play. Jump enemy on their rip or quickly eat (if possible) to make distraction play since most people don't want to risk a walking 'leki, making for a distracted bottom lane and jungle. Value is 100% with bottom obj., but if u can manage it, 'leki can control your enemy movement
I just wrote a big write up on what I would do before I watched CrisHeroes response, and then CrisHeroes said everythign I was going to write up lol. Follow your jungeler and if bot lane is doomed stay top.
I've seen too many times, our jungeler go top lane, and then our top lanes rotate bottom, and we still get nuked, because their jungeler is bottom and he has his unite move. Meanwhile, the jungeler, will usually just use Regieleki to break the tier 1 goal and give the enemy free experience.
I've also seen it a bunch of times where our jungeler will try and go for the bot regis after out bot lane lost super hard and lost our tier 1 goal, and then he gets destroyed by the entire enemey team.
Hearing rumours of remoat stadium returning, meaning drednaw most important by far
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Also if the opponent doesn't have chunky pokemons like Trevenent, goodra, slobro, or anything like that, there is very high chance u can surprise push regieleci....
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Can't wait for Regidrago to come to the game and open the debate back up. 😅
First of all there isn’t one single answer to this question cause it is situational. But after playing this game competitively I can almost certainly say 60% of the time eleki is better than bot regi. Why? Well it gives you more than 1 win con. Basically what you want to do is have eleki walk into T2 which is very doable if you go 4 top. Break their T1 with minimal overcap and then dump all your points into T2, sometimes you can insta break and if not you can break it through back caps. Now that you’ve done that you can go for the second eleki and chose to either score bott or push it to main which creates a lot of pressure. Now if you do this strategy you need to make sure there’s 5 top to get the last leki what this does is they have to leave their defender to defend the leki and you have an advantage in ray fight. But you don’t want to engage the enemy, they have to engage first, which is huge. This is called the latam strat and a lot of teams don’t know how to deal with the pressure. Next time you 5 stack I recommend you try it.
In my opinion that nobody asked for is that it is dependent on how each lane is doing around 7:30. If top lane can be ganked and can break the first tower go top, otherwise go bottom. in that same situation it isn't that great to not over cap very much on top. I think it is equally important on what pokemon are on the team. if you have pokemon that benefit from snowballing like tyranitar it could be beneficial to get the extra dunking exp. I think it is good practice to assume bottom for team buff. It is often that even when top boss taken it doesn't quite make it into the goal therefor its value isn't optimized.
Love how sassy slash is “do you really want to give your useless teammates XPs?” 😂😂😂
The big benefit to Releki is not just map pressure, because these animals keep pushing, we have essentially gained a primal form of map control, the enemies can't move very well, they get those andidees, but you have easier access and exit to their jungle, easier to pressure the top or bottom (you can also take those andidees)
Definitely, first bottom regi is better
But as the match keeps going, second releki is more equal, and the last releki on that 2 minute mark will guarantee a surrender
I think is situational. Based on how the game is going
Bottom regis are better I'd say, I agree with them, experience at the first minutes of the match influences so much.
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I don't do Eleki early, since the stackers desperately need their stacks sometimes, and breaking the T1 goal is just mean to them.
It's less the t2 goal getting destroyed that demoralizes the opponent and more soooooooo many times the bottom path is getting steam rolled at the same time...I don't know how many matches I've seen where 3 of the 4 goals were down within about 4 minutes...it's hard to make a comeback when your team is that uncoordinated.
This video needs to play on untie open and forced to watch all the way through at least once I’ve seen so many people never rotate like they stay in their lane and forget this is a team game
I've been doing wonders this season, 75% wr on 50 matches, 62% global ranked wr in over 3200 matches... all i can say say is go bottom, eleki is only good when bot gets gapped hard, and even then it's questionable over letting the opponent get top tier 1 so you can access the come back exp
I'll be honest the best objective is Regigigas
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I think the top lane carry is where things get complicated
I believe that the bottom lane is objectively more valuable than top. I don't care about the objective too much themselves. Bottom lane if held, unbroken, gives your team the best advantage during the Rayquaza fight. Top lane first tier tower, I let the enemy break to open up the Exp flood gates for my team. If you never take the top first tier until the later half of the game it stifles the enemies Exp availability. Idk, just my thoughts on that
Actually, breaking the T1 goal does not only give the opponents 3 Indeedees.
They also get a jungle Baltoy for even more exp.
Depends on the team play. Some teammates just wanna farm and don’t push for either top or bottom regi. That’s really demoralising.