Semi-Automatic VS Over & Under Shotgun - TGS Outdoors
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British shooters frowning on other British shooters is how we ended up so far up the gun-ban swanny; death by a thousand cuts and it works because nobody ever sticks up for their fellow man and says "I'm alright, jack!". Every man to his own, I say. If the gun does the work, have at it.
well said , we as shooters deserve every thing we get , in 15 years time you will not have any guns at all , because of this attitude .
"death by a thousand cuts" ironic because soon they won't even be able to cut away at your rights with knife control.
@I Em Hoo I Iz You shouldn't have too...
What the bloody hell did that guy just say? I can’t understand a thing!
@Old Fashioned this is completely strange to me because the average gun owner mindset in America is that regulation is TOO restrictive. I’m curious, is there a three shot limit in the UK? Is that for all guns or just shotguns?
Love the bit at the end "see how many people you can wind up" - made me properly chuckle.
You have overlooked two big advantages of the O/U (at least for us in the States.) First, each barrel can have a different choke for near vs far shots. Secondly, different loads for different game. We have a problem with feral hogs. You could shot rabbit all day with the top barrel and squirrels with the bottom or maybe put a slug in the bottom in case you run into a hog. Either way, it breaks down to two barrels, two chokes, and two different load possibilities.
That is a partly valid point but with a good modified choke and ammo like Federal black cloud or other tungsten steel shot gives you much better range and knock down power. Also shot size but that depends on which game you are going for. Personally for pheasants I use #2 shot and no meat waste and very high kill retrieval probability
O/U only has one trigger, thus one barrel must fire before the other does
My semi is always on full choke, never been much of an issue in terms of overkill
@@callumpearce9242 actually you can choose which barrel shoots first by a switch that is placed on safety switch.
@@imeprezime1069 Fair enough, checked my O/U today. That's true.
“See how many people you can wind up” 😁. Snobbery deserves that😉
Just loved the end comment about winding people up with a semi and DPM’s!
I shoot a Winchester SX3 12 shot and frequently go clay shooting with it and at times wear a DPM jacket, although mostly used for vermin control. Perhaps I’m lucky it’s never upset anyone quite the reverse it’s often attracted attention and interest. I have to say I can’t see the difference in shooting game with one, two, three or more rounds, I actually find it more “unsporting” to first of all breed birds, feed them, release to the wild hoping they adapt then to finish line up a bunch of jack arses wearing tweeds and silly socks, having another bunch scaring the birds towards the guns. That’s more “unsporting” try that on crows and they’d just laugh at jack arses as I frequently do when I see those ridiculous socks....!!!
Shooting clays with a semi automatic
1 - pick up your empty’s when the round ends.
2- Purchases a shell catcher
A magnet on a stick works wonders.
@@hamsandwich7353 Brass and aluminium are non ferrous
Uncouth. Lol. Smokeless cartridges are uncouth in England. A proper Englishman shoots clays with a blunderbuss and a can of pyrodex.
🤣😂
pyrodex?! Can't they get Swiss over there?
One thing you don’t mention is that a quality semi auto is sometimes less than half the price of an entry level over and under. If you a rich well it doesn’t matter but for the rest of us blue collar folks it gets us out there shooting clays.
I'm an American, do not own a shotgun, but am obsessed with this channel. I sparked an interested one day and am considering getting into shooting sports and this channel has been great. Also, the comments are so British, it's great
Adam Schaum get yourself a decent break action shotgun or even a fit for purpose Remington 870 and have some laughs. You won’t regret it but a double will always “feel” nicer even if the crappy 870 is more fun. (Chokes make a huge difference for tightening up groups so if possible get a two barrel pump gun so you can have the best of all things and honestly it isn’t hardly any slower then a semiautomatic once you get the hang of beating the holy Hell out of it and shucking it like a teenage boy under the covers at night).
As a southern America who enjoys this channel, I had a chuckle!
John-Paul Silke
The “crappy” Remington 870 has a lifetime warranty bud. It NEVER fails.
I have multiple 1000+ dollar shotguns but none more reliable than that trusty old Remington.
Get a a391 Beretta semi-auto Xtrema, Urika, Teknis, best life long bang for your buck and more likely to up in value only costs $500-$1200 for the best do all 2-3/4-3.5” no problems. Beretta 350 is a gun currently brought back based off of a391 because 391 is that good $700-$999 new. Remington 11-87 is good cheap reliable semi-auto.
Ithaca 37, Remington 870 Wingmaster or cheaper Express, Browning BPS are pumps that are very reliable and dependable still going strong for over 50 years.
I’m an American, if I could only have one gun! I’m on this channel, you know the answer 😊
Makes me even more thankful to be an American.
Is there anything more bittersweet than gun channel from UK? :) Anyway good job.
The verve
Very nice to see people from other countries very interested in firearms and making informative videos based on their own opinions. I'm not in Europe but ran across your videos and decided to watch a couple that caught my eye. Hope it works out well for you. I tire of all the "tacti-cool" American video channels. It would be nice to see some people doing videos on sporting arms instead of the popular black rifles and pistols we have here.
Here in the SW USA probably the most common shotguns seen in the field are pump action and autoloaders(semi automatic). The Pump action is by far the most common. Our laws limit magazine capacity for migratory game such as waterfowl, dove, crane, etc... We don't, or at least I don't, see a whole lot of Over/Under or SxS shotguns out in the field. There are some but not a lot. The Over/Under is extremely popular here for competitive and sport shooting. I see a lot at the range.
I personaly am looking at adding an Over/Under for field use this year. Just something different and I find I never actually fire the 3rd shot I'm allowed in my magazine fed shotguns.
If you want something different, I could also recommend a SxS. They seem to be making a comeback in Europe (although most likely inspired by the hipster crowd). But note, a SxS can't be carried, unless the hunter is also wearing knickerbockers and a waxed coat.
I'm from Pakistan, I'm a hunter with a hunger for hunting weapons
Having had rotator issues with the shoulder in the past, an A 400 xcel black edition weighing in at 6 lbs. and an incredibly light and soft recoil makes this a no brainer for me. I have a O/U and the weight alone, let alone more out front, and a fair amount more of harder recoil makes my clay count near the end of a round much diminished over the semi. It's just what suits YOUR personal needs best and for me ,with owning both guns with the O/U bought first, I do not even take the O/U out anymore, now it's my back up.
Shooting in America. Trap, Skeet and upland bird hunting. I own O/U's, SxS, SA's and pumps. The O/U has no equal. Thank you for your time and commentary.
Disagree with 3 1/2 cycle time. My Browning Gold Hunter 3 1/2 will empty the entire lot as quick as you can pull the trigger. So rapid you can get the 3 out before any empties hit the ground!
Everyone needs at least one of each. I use my auto for dove hunting and occasionally for clays or as a loaner or backup in any discipline. My O/U's see use when chasing upland game over dogs (quail, chukar, pheasant) and of course at the clays course. Waterfowl is overwhelmingly shot with 3" and 3.5" autos here in the states, that's not going to change.
Neither gun is actually BETTER than the other, the real difference is all personal preference and trade offs:
-double barrel has more power (doesn't lose gas to cycle) but a bit more kick
-you can use 2 different chokes but why would need to and nobody ever really does
-semi has an extra shot (mag/law dependent) but you lose 2 inches of barrel to have it
-double barrel is nice and easy to use and operate, and is very safe when barrel is cracked, but its heavy whereas the semi is typically very light
-As for firing speed, if you are shooting those two shots as fast as you can pull the trigger your second shot would have been fired at the exact same moment that you are absorbing recoil from the first shot, and your shot will not be accurate. Nobody ever attempts to fire that quickly at game.
-Double barrel is slower to load having to crack the barrel, load both chambers and close it again. Most semi's have an autoloader, where you put one shell in the mag and it immediately puts one in the chamber ready to rock, or just drop one into the receiver onto the shell ramp and hit the bolt release. Also, you have mag cutoffs, where you can eject the shell from your chamber to load a differing shot size.
-The biggest advantage to be spoke of with double barrel will not jam even with cheap ammo. But why would anyone use cheap ammo on game, and if you have a high quality and regularly cleaned/oiled semi odds are it will never jam either, but the chance is always there (shit happens)
TheNLHunting First
Well said my friend!
Tried and hunted with over/under and classics..from 12 to 16 gauge. Several manufacturers...and ended on semi auto 12g and bloody hell I love it!!
If needed longer barrel - grab the extension tube..but really..do i need it?
Every other thing is bla-bla crap and depends from person to person and personal preferences.
Only thing I dont like at semi is non ecological component because most of the time, especially in hi bush (pheasant hunt in my countryside) is almost imposible to find empty fired shells.
Once fired 3 in row and searched for 10 mins around me with my buddy to collect them and no luck 😓
@@chato555 The lost shells is a major disappointment to me as well. Just this past weekend after downing a bird, sending out the dog and all the other ensuing rushing and frolicking I look around for the shells only to find they have floated out to the middle of the pond with no way for me to get them.
bullshit
No need for two chokes? What if a rabbit runs in front of you and then a duck flies off in the distance?
I have both (from the USA) a semi auto (Remington 1100 Competition Synthetic) and an over under (Beretta Silver Pigeon Sporting I) and theyre two different sensations. I like the fit and feel of the Silver Pigeon more, but my semi auto recoils less. All in all the Silver Pigeon is my primary and if it breaks down (it wont) I have the semi auto as a backup. By the way this channel and its reviews are why I bought the Silver Pigeon. Thank you all very much for your reviews and your bluntness as to the quality and fitament. Great channel, and If I ever move to the UK you guys are the only shop Im coming to
There was a time that I was against both semi auto's and synthetic guns. This was until I was wading in flooded timber in Colorado jump shooting ducks. I tripped and fell face first, filling my waders with icy water and soaked an English sidelock through & through. I spent that night warming up and doing a complete strip of that gun to save it. The next day, I called my dealer and said "Sell me a plastic gun that can be used as a boat paddle. I get it now".
Thats why i love my benelli m2, its plastic.. its aluminium and its rough, it has yet to fail me and it works great for me shoting trap/skeet aswell as hunting. Never needs cleaning, and if its needed, stripping it down to parts take a minute at most. Compare that to a O/U like beretta that has to go to weapon smith if you drop it in a puddle with some dirt.. also, half the price new as a new O/U of any quality.
Can’t go wrong with a Browning BPS as a first shotgun. $7-800 brand new will get you into shooting and last several lifetimes. They chamber it in .410, 28, 20, 16, 12 & 10ga. Available in full size and youth sizes. Holds 5 shells (in the home of the Brave) and most fire 3 inch magnums. Ejects spent shells straight down with a tang safety so it’s ambidextrous. This is important, because many people who get into shot gunning don’t realize they are cross eye dominate. So a right handed beginner has a good chance of having to learn to shoot left handed. The wood stocks looks good, they are reliable & build quality is still great. Unless your worried about what a couple stuck-up pricks think… than well…
I Live in Zambia Africa and have a 8 shot, black plastic semi-auto. The ''under and over'' may be more sporting but in the real world I prefer the much lighter weight, almost no recoil, and the 8 shots to kill whatever might be trying to eat you
We are lacking in scary animals here, although badgers have been known to get rowdy at times.
The Gun Shop :-)
wish you could come here. Would let you shoot my ar and ak.
Most countries don't allow game or at least fowl shooting with more than three shots, all you can shoot with a more than three shot semi is pests
Semi autos are great if you have shoulder problems or are slightly built and struggle to manage the recoil of a 12 or 20 gauge O/U. The only issue I found shooting autos and pumps was that I was always switching chokes on sporting clay shoots and having to compromise on the choke selection on near/far pairs.
one thing worth noting would be the ability of doublebarrel shotguns to have 2 different chokes.
with an semiautomatic you just have one.
great video btw.
Well said.
The Gun Shop thank you.
i just found this channel yesterday whilst looking for an non americanised gun channel.
with out judging their state of mind most of their information is relativly useless if you live in europe.
The Gun culture in America is a strange one by comparison to Europe.
I doubt it's useless, quite on the contrary my friend. I came across this channel because I'm currently shopping around for a new shotgun (for bird shooting and fowling, that is stylish enough to bring to a shooting party, yet affordable (ie. less than 2000 euros)). And the local gunshop only gave me salespitches, so I was looking for a more European-minded youtube video about several guns I saw. And yes, I'm in Europe and own quite a few guns.
YaoiMastah its not about the number of guns, rather the reason to get one is different.
therefore you have different requirements for your gun.
semi autos point better, less recoil, gun fit without custom stock and also not over priced.
Fair, but they're middle class and less reliable.
Scott N I’m English living in the USA (with 4 different guns - 2 semi and 2 O/U) but you’re so right. I love semi’s but they’re definitely on the more pikey side lol
@@alihilly1 Two Bob Bit. :)
@@scottnathanphoto What semi-autos have you shot? I've shot my dads semi-auto MANY times and only just gave it a clean yesterday. Guess what? Gun was DIRTY as all hell, but worked like a champ even when dirty.
@@britishgamer666 Have a few. Browning, Benelli, Weatherby. It's not just dirt, but they do break too. I know high volume duck shooters that replace a Benelli's every 2-3 seasons. Wear & rust from salt air/water.
The advantage of the over under shotgun is choice of two chokes so near birds get the optimum pattern density and more distant birds get the optimum pattern density. Reliability of two shots versus three that must cycle out to make room to fire. That makes it more prone to problems of ejection to cycle. I own a Browning Feather 725 12 gauge over under with a 26 inch barrel weighing just 6 pounds and 7 ounces. I love it!
For skeet I use an autoloader, Browning Model B2000 with a skeet tube in place. I had choke tubes added to it by Colonial Chokes in Alabama. For sporting clays I use an O/U because there is the advantage of having two chokes and a choice of which to fire first. I live in a FREE state of the USA, so there is no restriction on what shotguns (or rifles or handguns) I can own. I choose them because I shoot best with them. I could use either for Trap, but, at least where I live, "trap shooter" seems to be a synonym for "self important asshole" so I bypass the trap fields and trap shooters. When I encounter rude and careless drivers, and not wishing to use coarse language in the presence of my wife, I just call them "trap shooters".
The club where I shoot has long magnets to make picking up empties easy for old guys like me, and an empty bucket at each station to dispose of the empty hulls. I used to reload everything, but now only do 16, 28 and .410 shells. The price of components has gone up and 12 and 20 ga. are available very cheap. They simply are not worth the time to reload anymore. 16, 28 and .410 are all expensive, so it is worth my while to load those, but 90% of my shooting is 12 or 20 gauge.
FWIW, many shooters use autoloaders for Sporting Clays here, and seem to do OK with them.
How do you load your 410s?
@@tgsoutdoors I use a MEC MKV Jr. Single stage loading machine.
Winchester AAHS 2.5" hulls
(preferred)
Winchester 209 primers
Claybuster CB5050-410HS wads
1/2 oz. #9 shot (I prefer to #8 for .410)
16.0 gr. Hodgdon H110 powder
(Hodgdon manual listed load)
I use these in a Winchester M42 pump gun. I am not a big shooter of .410s but I do use the old gun for fun occasionally.
I got a Browning 2000 a few weeks ago. It came with two barrels and two extra chokes. I can't quad load it but it's a really nice gun in good shape. Made in 1975.
Very informative (even for me an American)thanks for the honest unbiased review
Browning maxus best gun i ever owned ...looks like ill be taking option 2 lol
Get an A-5 and you can load all rounds into the same opening at the bottom. No need to adjust from one type of opening to another nor to shift the gun while loading. Better in a home defense or any situation of stress. Browning A-5.
Brits cannot use guns for home defense. The British have found that making victims helpless makes criminals harmless, right?
You are correct about the A-5 but ALSO other Browning guns. It is called the "Speed feed" feature and is a function of most, if not all, Browning autoloaders. I have an A-5, B-2000, and Double Auto and they all do it. The B-2000 and Double Auto are loaded through a port in the left side, which is actually very useful for right handed shooters, you never shift the gun from hand to hand. Put the butt on your hip, muzzle safely pointed up, hold the wrist with your right hand and feed shells into the left side with your left hand. The first shell goes directly to the chamber, the next goes in the magazine.
I just joined a club here in Canada. Lots of old timers with over under and lots of younger folks with semis and pump. I will probably go with an over under because I like the safety and tradition.
Well done. You know you’re stuff.
Interesting to listen to, especially as a Canadian where o/u are relatively rare. Thank you
That’s right, pumps then semis then the other 10%
I have both, but when it comes to hunting waterfowl in cold weather the over/under is far more dependable. Also, if I wish to switch ammo, it is quieter and less mechanical to do so. Also, I reload, so I hate chasing the shell casings all over the place. I prefer to extract them.
Interesting views. I use both but would point out a lot of clay grounds do not care which is used. I prefer the semi for pest control and marsh work, that one extra in a Section 2 does have advantages. Also it is a synthetic stock and inertia so works well if dirty and wet. For driven and rough I love the O/U though, and on some driven O/U's far outnumber side by sides now. I enjoy the views of the younger generation :)
Such a strange thing to hear that semi-autos are not considered "sporting" in the UK. Here in the US, I would say the majority of shotguns sold are pumps or semi-autos, and O/U's really only show up amongst clay shooters...
You dont have the same game shooting tradition as us that dictate what guns are suitable and fashionable!
The Gun Shop America’s gun market lacks any grace, we got in a pair of DP-12s in at the store I work at and everyone was fawning over it. I can find a much better way to spend $1,300 than that stupid noisemaker!
@@tgsoutdoors
I don't necessarily agree with your statement, I suppose it depends on what circles one travels in. But, semiautomatic firearms are immensely popular here in the US. I'd say what's most important is that one is safe and ethical with his/her firearm of choice, and snubs anti-gun liberals at every opportunity.
'find the biggest blackest Tactical semi auto put on your DPMs and go to a clay club', brilliant. I like this guy.
haha.. I've got the Beretta Urika AL391 semi auto in tactical black..(poly stock and cover).. and yes, it really winds people up. Great gun though.
Inertia-plus, pop-out trigger group, removal replaceable steel ejector, and all aluminum trigger guard and magazine cap. Light 7 pounds 4 ounces in the 3.5 inch chambered 12 gauge Retay Sky King model.
It’s crazy to hear the cultural differences between America and the UK. Here, 3 shots in a semi auto(or maybe a pump) is the absolute standard for bird hunting. Also every gun in America is loved up until the AR15, then the Californian and NY lefties start piping up. Crazy to hear a guy was shunned into getting rid of his semi auto!
I prefer my 870, but I love my Citori and my dad’s 1100 as well.
As a amatuer radiolicence holder .. this reminds me of the old situation where you had to do a " morse code" exam to get a full licence. Morse was a god means of communication back in the day when voice transmission was in its infancy . I think the same analogy can be applied to shotguns ...They have come on in recent years to end up with the SA and really technically they are far more advanced than the SS or O/U.The older guys will frown on the newer in terms of the tool .
I clay shoot with a semi auto (Browning Maxus) the grounds I frequent have absolutely no issue with patrons using whatever they want, we even see guys with pump actions, just remember it's considered good etiquette to pick up spent shells instead of leaving them laying around. I would also go as far to recommend a semi for youths, the reduced weight, especially at the muzzle makes them idea for younger shooters, it will also allow them to start out with a 12 guage rather than learning all the characteristics of a 20 or 28 guage and having to learn all over again once they progress onto a full bore.
You mention the ejection aspect, I was genuinely shocked (and embarrassed) to find my spent cartridges laying at the feet of the guys queing for the stand a couple of meters away.
This would be a genuine hazard for the ones closest as my 930 really throws them out and it was also embarrasing having to inconvenience people while I tried to retrieve them.
I like how shells you can simply pick up are considered "leaving rubbish all over the place" but a plastic wad lying around somewhere isn't.
As far as rubbish goes: judging another person's character based on the tools of choice is exactly that - rubbish.
Yeah I can't stand gun snobs
Every clay ground that I have shot has insisted on fibre wads 🤷
Good video - obviously a bit biased towards the OU. There is no way you need to pull the trigger faster than a semi will allow you. Recoil for smaller shooters can be a bigger advantage than you indicated.
The only real advance to owning an O/U vs a semi-auto is that O/U's are much easier to break down and clean... plus they tend to last much longer.
Other than that, a good semi-auto is better in most other aspects. Less felt recoil, cheaper, one barrel points to the same place every time where-as two barrel are slightly off... most people really only buy O/U's because they look cooler. No real functional advantage. And don't tell me "two chokes" ... no one really uses 2 vastly different chokes.
It's much easier to walk all day with a broken double than a big long thing. Also, durability is major. An avid waterfowler can wear a Benelli or Beretta auto in a season or two. I've seen it, while even the lowly 686 can take hundreds of thousands of rounds before requiring major service.
The advantages of O/U
They can be fed any brand ammo
They can come with two triggers
They don't eject shells all over the place
They easier to clean
There's more but that's some of it
@@blessedman4532 you can visually be confident in your hunting partner that their gun is open. On double clay sports the rythmn is often off to a guy with a semi. If you don't have 5 on the line at trap the guy is still futzing around getting 1 in the tube and one in the magazine when they're up. Pull bang bang pull bang bang. Fiddle snap fiddle fiddle pull. Not hating on them I have a 12 gauge Beretta a300 sporting I use regularly on sporting clays and sometimes single trap but you know everyone is looking at that guy who doesn't have his gun ready.
for me the biggest advantage is being able to quickly change cartridges. very useful when wildfowling.
Retay Mara Masai 12 gauge is a perfected design semi-auto shotgun. I plan to get a 26 inch long barrel Sky King 3.5 model with cera-kote receiver and barrel. Also cycles 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells.
Yep, started out with a semiauto and after experiencing all of the bang-click situations I switched to an OU and never looked back.
Gee purrs the Benelli 121 is the fastest semi-auto action and even then there is a super mild deviation of your sights. Since that’s an inertia drive it doesn’t eat too much recoil either so not too much advantage. I love both guns but a break is so much nicer feeling.
Semi are just to ammo picky tried almost all em in the last 40 years bout 10 years ago switched to over and under and never looked back
Great job mate. Appreciate your depth.
Any clay club that moans about semi auto's deserve to go bust and obviously too lazy to look after the ground, never let anyone eyebrow you for the gun you shoot just remember the magic two word response .
"fuarke offe"
I went to Worsley grange clay ground a few years back ,and the right side of the cage was open with a net on a frame going into a tub it was great caught every shell ejected o/u and semi .Also lots of people just eject them on the floor with O/U guns!
This guy is brilliant.
Over/u is a monster I go upland, waterfowl hunting with it, even for boars. This gun is great
It would be nice to own a Browning Citori again someday at a price tag of $ 2000 or $2500 dollars but my Remington 1100 semi-auto will do just as good and what matters is at the end of the day you still had fun busting clay targets with it at a fraction of the cost !!!
Haha watching this after buying an all black Stoeger M3000 as my first gun.... In fairness I'm getting into practical shooting with a bit of clay on the side.
I have gone shooting with a pump action at a game shoot at a castle, what people think of it is not my problem. All though it was not my first choice as the hassle with finding your used rounds in a marsh is a pain in the rear.
+ljp200 another great reason to use a double gun of either sort.
I very much enjoy your videos. Our thoughts are so different. I believe that Texans are opposite. I finally got an over and under as my fancy shotgun. I've always used a semi for clays my whole life. Plus you can pull the plug and have more shells on private land. I wouldn't go hunting with my OU. They are very pretty but nothing for hunting or defense. They are the fancy car in the garage.
If one wants a first gun that is light and can have extra shells look at my favorite hunting gun is an 870. Less weight and a true shooters gun. Can't shoot clays with a pump than you are not a shooter. Just my opinion. Semi's and OU guns are for fancy people. It took time to get there. learn with a pump. Then one can appreciate the semi and OU.
You could just buy a Yildiz from Academy in Texas though and not worry about beating it up. They're a terrific O/U for the price (~$400). Reliable, sturdy, well designed and manufactured, and quite beautiful again for the price you're paying (my buddy who owns Benellis thought it was a $1,500 gun at the sporting clays course haha). And they're relatively rare given the exclusive distribution agreement with Academy.
@@jpm74 The Yildiz single shot .410 is a fantastic gun for $120...nice wood and finish and a blast to shoot. I also have a Yildiz 28 ga O/U...nice looking gun, great wood, and also a blast to shoot. I liked these two so much I picked up a Yildiz side-by-side .410 and I love that one too. And as you say, I don't worry about beating them up like I do my Silver Pigeon.
Well done sir. I have a Browning 12 Gauge O/U that I use for clay birds.
In America get Beretta a391 & 400 for the best that their value. The 300 & 350 are a little cheaper but still great. Belgium Browning A5 models over 100 years still going Auto 5 are good Sweet Sixteen 16 gauge new and old are great too. Gas operating is less recoil.
Pumps are great too just as accurate and very reliable. Remington 870 Wingmaster or Express. Ithaca 37 and Browning BPS great J.M.Browning’s ambidextrous design bottom ejection.
Double barrrel are simple and reliable. Try them before buying if possible.
First time ever trap shooting i hit 23/25 with a beretta xplor semi auto. Just seeing all the other guys at the range with 10k+ shotguns made me wonder why an overunder would be better. Made me wanna join their league just so i could show up in jeans and hoodie while theyre wearing all their special shooting clothes and a gun that costs 3-4 times as much since i was shooting better than most of them my first time
The most reliable gun, which you can count on it, is double barrel - bouble mechanism - double trigger with manual extractors.
Here in the USA, the semi-auto is the ticket for home defense use. Very effective.
As a bit of an ex-chav trying to up his game, i can only aspire to speak so eloquently, if a bit too quickly. excited, but passionate.
Thanks Colin
As a bit of a former Chav myself, it's most certainly attainable haha Belfast speech patterns were rather uncouth
Amazing review! Well done! There is nothing that appeals me in a semi-auto and you just put them in wonderful words! Thank you!
Being from "across the pond", I personally prefer the semi-auto. We can carry an unlimited number of rounds unless we are waterfowl shooting (no special license required) and my local clay range does not frown on semi-'s.Semi-autos have far less recoil and are more "multi-purpose". They are usually less expensive and for trap, you can add a shell catcher
It's not a special license in the UK either but you legally can't shoot any game with anything that holds more than 2 +1, generally means that if you have an FAC (more than 3 shots) shotgun it becomes worth much less and you can't convert it back to a legal game shooting gun so people generally don't bother unless they only shoot pests which 5 +1 or whatever shotguns are great for. I know in America you can install magazine stoppers to lower the capacity so you're legal but you simply can't do that here
It is safer with an under over shotgun
So ridiculous that you guys have all these snobbish ideas around shotguns. Its absurd.
Here in Canada, we know we can pick up our shells when we’re done.
Same in Germany. You will not get invited again for a hunt if you came with a semi or pump. It is sad, really
Don't you spill your tea whilst picking those shell things up?
I have a shell catcher. Problem solved
It's called culture and heritage. North Americans don't really have either, so of course, you wouldn't understand.
@@Frillar We have plenty of culture and heritage. The UK is just filled with jealous snobs. They wish they were as free as us Americans.
With synthetic semi autos they can get dirty and you can put the in the mud and It doesn’t matter as much
I could never live in the UK I like guns to much
Its pretty good here, just so you know!
Best is to have both guns and a side by side for Sunday's 👌😉😜
Hm. if the semi only holds 3 (without various paperworks/etc) I would certainly opt with an over under in general
well in general.. over under are pretty
a prettiness is as good a reason as any to but a gun!
Say what you want, my 'tacti-cool' semi auto, complete with shot strap and sights is my favourite gun. I also have 2 older side by sides, which are great, I also do dream of a triple crown as a 'dream gun'. But if I was to grab a gun for any purpose, I'd grab the semi-auto, I love the way it looks, I love the way it shoots.
I do mainly range shooting though, where they are accepted.
Shame the triple crown doesn't eject, or it would be awesome
the semi auto is more of a tactical/special forces type gun...it's just more efficient for non sporting purposes. Like you said it tosses shells everywhere, the momentum of shooting in sequence is thrown off because of how it cycles. It just doesn't flow or do what you tell it to as smoothly. It does it quickly and with little recoil, but where's the fun in that?
pump, double, autoloader, who cares as long as you're having fun, being safe and being ethical.
My first gun was & still is a Browning Maxus semi automatic i love it but it works for me as i needed an ambidextrous style because i shoot left handed but I'm right handed so i shoot my right handed Maxus left handed and no issue with shell ejection across me suppose its just whatever feels comfortable 👍
You should be able to shoot what ever shotgun you want at clays, even if it's a mag fed AR style shotgun and we in the UK should be happy they are enjoying what is left of shooting here.
I'm from Australia and semi auto and pump action shot guns are restricted alot further then a under and over, i can say for the extra one shot id take a under and over over semi auto any old day, the only thing that might change that is higher capacity for shooting pigs 5+ rounds would be more helpful.
Upland shooting with friends, everyone is more comfortable when they know guns are safe and that means a double. For me, that's almost always a side-by-side carried open until a dog is on point. I do use an autoloader or pump in goose pits or in duck marshes. In the pits, we try to have at least one man who is left handed or with a downward ejecting gun. I don't take good doubles out in foul weather. I can't imagine that Brits bring their Purdeys or Bosses out in the rain either.
Well put. I have always thought that if you can afford a best made English gun, you can afford for a loader to clean it for you and for it to be serviced as often as needs be. It would be a shame not to use it eh? although i know plenty of people who have top notch english stuff and a less well known english made gun for rougher conditions.
Well, we've always had a somewhat different view of such things over here.
It seems to relate to the British class "system". There many look askance at game shooters using autoloaders because they confer an unfair advantage of that extra round in the magazine. The more sportsmanlike British shooter with his double has but two shots and then the quarry keeps his life. That is, of course, unless the shooter is wealthy or, even better, an aristocrat. Then he shoots a matched pair of guns with unlimited rounds available with the aid of his loader! How undemocratic of you.
I'm reflecting on my own guns and can recall only one that has been professionally serviced (repaired actually) and that was a British gun.
All of the other doubles have been reliable and several are quite old. One used regularly is 118 years and another 109 years old. They are tight on face and show no signs of ever having been mechanically invaded.
It's mainly the fact that you can't always tell if a semi is safe that makes them unpopular with other shooters.
I have gotten into your vidios /opinions on all things regarding the shooting sports.👍👍
Haha just seen this vid. Night out out before this vid Johnny??? Love the show guys keep up the great work. 👊
Need some advice im going to be buying a shotgun for myself and i have two options both baikal one mp-155 and the other o/u mp27 now im not shre which one to buy what would you prefer as a first shotgun
i have a shogun in hand
and
there is a guy who doesn't like my gun.....
things are NOT going his way.
great videos, full of knowledge great job buddy
Here in the USA I'll give you another reason NOT to use a semi ... do you want to get "inspected" by a Game Warden ... just carry a semi vs an over/under ... last time I carried my Semi, I got inspected 5X's in a single day ... Aaahhhhh !!!!!
Also w/ a semi, I shoot too fast and waste the second shell , and sometimes the third shell too. W/ a side by side I tend to swing the barrels side to side thinking I have to line up each barrel seperately ... WRONG !!! Now I switched over to a O/U and fell in love w/ the sight picture on a single straight barrel ... and I added a "mid-sight" bead ... 3" Federal Premium High Brass/Copper Clad ... and "BAM", I rock the pheasants world. And I have not been "inspected" since
Question: Who is credited for inventing the O/U shotgun ??? Mr John Moses Browning around 1920 ...
Thank you.... good explanation....
Hello ,Good night ,
I have an old overandunder beretta s55 with two triggers, and the stock is with some scratches and the varnish is popping off , I was thinking of restore it myself , do you have some advice that you can give me?
Actually no, I did not know what an "over and under" was ; That's what made me come find this video. Curiosity. : )
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I shoot my semi auto at my local club and they have a discharged cartridge bin to the side and front for disposal of shells and I just pick any up that don't go in. Use a safe flag when not in use and noone has ever said a thing to be, the club included who even complimented my Baretta as a nice (older silver mallard 390) gun. I've lovely over and under (and side by side) 12/20 bore guns and I prefer my auto for clay shooting as the recoil is significantly less and it does the job well. Shoot what you love, do it safely and enjoy it. That's the point. I don't game shoot so no opinion on the 'etiquette' of type of gauge etc... other than the auto has 3 shots here in UK so can see why that may be unsporting, so just load 2 shells?!
As someone who works at a shooting ground I can confirm we fucking hate semi-automatics, or scum guns as we call them.
If you have one do us all a favour and bring a mag. stick. No one likes picking up someone else’s cartridges.
Brilliant comment!
The Gun Shop Cheers. You wouldn’t believe the mountains of cartridges I’ve had to pick up because of them. I’m talking literal tons. Hence the language.
Loving the channel, by the way, only found it the other day and have subed already. Great to find a gun channel focused on the UK.
damn. wtf. I go to the desert and shoot thousands of rounds from 22lr 12 gauge, 9mm, 7.62 even getting nice and comfy drinking beer to keep hydrated , and even drunk we have no problem cleaning up. what is the problem here? do you feel the same way about wiping your ass? those shells and brass are money! Ever since Benny Hill died England has gone down!
Damn, I can remember when you put up your first vid in October of 2015... its so good now, over 1000 subs, well done!
That a smooth moving bolt
Wish they made autos with more elegant shell-catchers as for clay shooting that is their biggest downfall. Here in the USA a big difference between the two is price. You can buy a nice quality semi-auto for the price of some entry-level O/Us. No idea why that is the case as autos seem more intricate and have more mechanical parts.
Will do a 'why are semis cheaper than doubles' sort of video in the not too distant future.
Dang now THAT is a topic I've never seen covered. I'd love that.
If I recall clearly, it is much more complicated to weld two barrels together, than to order a bunch of computer-milled parts in China. Most (if not all) manufacturers still weld the barrels by hand (done by very experienced, expensive craftsmen and women). There's a How It's Made video about making double-barrel shotguns.
Dom san the two barrels thing definitely makes sense. A spare barrel for my Remigton 1100 is around $230 so we could add that to the cost. A lot of O/Us use a better grade of wood, hand engraved receivers, etc, but not all. Fancy shotguns deserve fancy prices but the price of an entry level Stoeger, Stevens 555, Mossberg Silver Reserve, etc, is unnaturally high compared to their semi-auto counterparts in my opinion, even when considering the spare barrel.
Even used guns, for example. Singleshots can be bought in the USA for $80-$150 all the time, but very very rarely do you see bottom of the line SXS or OU's for $160-$300, even though that pricepoint would more-than-allow for the extra barrel.
Carley Smith joining the two barrels together is the real expense, so that they don’t fall apart, weigh a tonne and point in the same direction. That mixed with a more complex ejection system and a more intricately timed trigger system makes for more cost. Building a semi auto is mechano whereas an over and under is true gunmaking
Any chance of a semi auto comparison vs a 3 barrel shotgun on the clays?
Definately not a first gun in the US. Way too expensive but great video!
Thank you for sharing this with us. Long story short, which better in term of longevity Sami or over under?
A dood over and under
I truly hope one day England has gun laws like here in Canada. Such a shame.
Hope you got some handguns before Trudeau screwed you.
I guess they never made a bottom-eject auto cycling shotgun. So, like something based on the Ithaca Model 1937 action. That would solve the ejection problem.
There's 2 - the Remington 105 Cti (no longer made) and there's that Beretta break open semi auto..
I remember when under and overs were frowned upon (and calling them over and unders) also wearing brown shoes with anything other than casual wear, using only a fork to eat your dinner and calling chaps or blokes guys. Frowning and general snobbery is now frowned upon which is a shame really!! also exclamation marks are a definite no no.
I can see you’re a double gun aficionado, but does your allegiance lie with sxs or o&u? Here lately I’ve been trying to decide if I prefer shooting my 525s over a B-80..
Noob question if you were to play trap, and only fire one shot, and have the first shot set to a barrel. Do you have to pull the trigger twice to reset back to the barrel you selected, or if when you open the action the triggers will reset and the barrel you selected will still fire first. That you for your time
I think O/Us are more durable, reliable & long lasting thn Semi.auto. However, disadvantage is in duck shooting, when a flock comes and u can fire only 2 rounds & almost all the remaining flock observes ur helplessness.
Just purchased a 391 to go with the silver pigeon both shoot ultra light 21`s love it. See you can now buy a piece of kit that catches the empty cases that should stop them moaning, ps If anyone uses these add on attachments I would love your opinion