Marriage plans for the Royal children (Isabel s03e03)
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- The Catholic Monarchs secure alliances with the most important powers of Europe. They agree on several marriages for their children: a double marriage with the Holy Roman Empire, one with Portugal and one with England.
Isabel s03e03 - Born to rule
'Isabel' is a Spanish TV series about the life of Isabella I, Queen regnant of Castile, one of the most important Spanish monarchs, from her childhood years till her death after 3 decades of ruling.
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When Juan asked if Margarita was as intelligent as his mother, Isabel and then Isabel and Fernando looked at each other. It was beautiful even in that small moment they still have a strong connection. 😊🙂
Little Maria and Catherine are so sweet and cute🥰.
That’s so sweet that Juan wanted a true partnership just like his parents and that he respected women’s intelligence (at least according to this scene, IDK if he truly felt this way in real life)
Poor Juana! She don't know what awaits her.
Serah same with Catherine also. So sad.
@@LadyRoseWarrior To be honest all of them... Infanta Maria was maybe the only one to have a decently happy/long life.
@@claireb2326 she died fairly young after like bearing 16 kids.
Juana and Maria the only ones to have successfully have kids that continued the line. Catherine only had Mary who had no kids.
If only Isabel and Fernando had known the fates of Isabel, Juan, Juana, and Catalina. Only María seemed to live out a happy life.
Well, I don't know if it's so happy.... Married as a teenager, pregnant all her life, 10 births and premature death during the last birth.... A nightmare
Maybe back then happiness or the idea of happiness for women of high rank was to bear as many children as possible and live enough time to see them grow...@@ewakosinska9864
If we compare fates, yes, Maria of Aragon had a happier life, short life , but she was happier than any of her siblings.
She died at 35 years old. I just turned 39.
So let’s see what we got here in terms of how it didn’t pan out the way it did
Isabella: Married Afonso, then became widowed, then married again to Manuel, had a son named Miguel, died, and two years later Miguel dies. An expansion that sadly failed.
John: Marries Margaret, has a wonderful relationship with her as young teen couples do. Chronically sick and dies while Margaret is pregnant with their first child. Margaret loses her daughter via stillborn birth and never has children despite being married a second time. Another expansion that sadly failed.
Johanna: Probably the most tragic of the children. Marries an abusive prince and despite having a lot of kids, has alot of mental problems and goes mad. Gets imprisoned by her own son to where she dies as a prisoner. A marriage that was one of the biggest mistakes her parents made even if Spain got an heir as a result.
Maria: Probably the only child to have a happy ending as she marries Manuel after Isabella’s death. Has 10 children to where 8 reach adulthood but didn’t lead a very ambitious life in Portugal as Queen because she was pregnant a lot of the time. An expansion that worked but only because Philip II of Spain took over the country in the 1580’s.
Catherine: Another doomed heir. Marries Arthur of England, becomes widowed a short time later, then finds happiness in marrying Henry VIII, only has one child named Mary who will go on to become childless and end the family line. Gets divorced by Henry all because of wanting an heir to where England breaks away from the Church as a result. Dies miserable in the end. An expansion that failed miserably.
So overall, Isabella and Ferdinand didn’t exactly get the wishes they wanted and they should be lucky that Maria and Johanna were the ones that helped expanded their dynasty even if some of those decisions were mostly bad.
In terms of political interest they did expand their kingdom. At a high personal price, sure, but that was kind of the rule for monarchs.
*Charles V enters the chat* I am a joke to you? 😂
Charles V was the most powerful man of his time and he indeed ruled a continent, exception made for France and England
Further more in the end Mary Tudor did became queen. She married Philip of Spain and if she produced a heir, all of Catherine of Aragon suffering would have been at least a bit successful...so their descendants would have also reigned in England...but she didn't..
If only they knew the tragedy awaiting their children with the matches they made
Well Juana went mad for love her her womanizing husband who died young. Their son died young too and we already know Catherine of Aragons story.
Juana the Mad? Her six children, miss Isabella who died in her early twenties, lived very long lives.
@@dianadominguez3236 Juana brother died young too. I was referring to him not Juanas kids.
Slut for Stiles Dominguez but juanas long life was miserable, and she was locked up in a convent for a few decades, so it was rather sad that she lived long, than had she died earlier
Muy interesante
Reviewing the clips I had one thought: IF Isabel did let her daughter Isabel remain unmarried, as she wished AND was promised, then the daughter could have had much longer life, became queen of Castile, that would save Joanna from her prison and aslo she (Isabel) would probably help solving Catherine's problems in England, unlike Ferdinand. 😇😇😇 No miracles or bringing dead to life required, just keeping promises
Yeah. But even then, after Prince John's death I just don't see how the heir Isabella could have remained unmarried. There would have been an enormous political pressure for her to marry and produce heirs for the kingdoms. To have a clear succession and to prevent the Habsburgs and Philip from inheriting in the future. Aragon would have probably even denied her and look for an heir elsewhere in the Trastamara family line if there was no male in her life, neither husband nor son, considering how they behaved irl after John's death. I don't know how she could have got away with the unmarried queen state, as Elizabeth I did in England later. Probably she herself would have also seen that as a queen it was her duty to provide the best thing for her kingdoms and not lot the Habsburgs get it. The most likely scenario is, if they had let her remain unmarried till John's death, they would have made her marry after his death anyway. That delays her marriage with a year or so.
Anyway, it was just incredibly stupid from Isabella and Ferdinand to promise their daughter that she could remain unmarried, and thus they wasted her most fertile years in widowhood. As eldest daughter, with only one sickly brother, it was naive and stupid. Though now it is easy from hindsight, but it still seems stupid.
Tbh, Ferdinand being Ferdinand, if Isabella had inherited after her mother's death, maybe she would have "become mad" and somehow end in lockup 😆 for Ferdinand to save the day from the madwoman...
@@Lily1127channel But there was no one in Trastamara family, wasn't there? Or I am I wrong? The dynasty died out with John & Ferdinand, no?
I don't think Ferdinand would do something to Isabel jr. - just because as I understand she had no interest in ruling. Why would he get rid of her if she would let him rule over Castile? Unlike Joanna, Isabel jr. had no husband, children or father-in-law, who would want their fair share of power. And unlike Johanna, who was completely unpredictable, Isabel jr. was quiet&uninterested for years. I could definitely see her silently signing all the papers her father gives her.
And I don't see, why Habsburgs are worse than any NON-Trastamara-possible-husband for Isabel. Habsburgs were allies to Isabel&Ferdinand. Of cause, Ferdi had problems with sharing power with Philip. But ANY husband of Isabel jr. would want power immediately, no? So, would have almost same problems as Philipp. And Isabel jr. children would be as much non-Trastamara, as Joanna's.
At the end of my thought, unmarried and alive Isabel jr. would give Ferdi rule over Castile. A Trastamara boy can only be achieved by Ferdi's wedding, not Isabel js's. And with living young queen of Castille, Ferdi could probably push Charleses trip to south in order to learn him as he wish. It would be hard for Philipp to chose, weather he wants to risk keeping Charles away from his grandpa, when grandpa can marry himself of marry Isabel jr.
LOL too many words, definitely many grammar mistakes🤣🤣
Well the biggest problem with the Habsburgs was that they were very far away, geographically, culturally, in every way. For them to rule Central Europe alongside Spain seemed almost unmanageable (as it turned out to be later, which led to Charles V's decision to split the eimpire). Good for allies, very suboptimal for actual monarchs. Even without Philip's antics the Habsburgs would have been unwanted as the new dynasty to rule, let alone with Philip. Such foreigners were very unwanted. To have an heir, and then a king, who was born and raised somewhere far from Spain, that was something they hated.
For an unmarried woman to rule... it was almost unimaginable in Castile, it was quasi impossible in Aragon. After John's death, the Aragonese Cortes didn't want to accept Pr Isabella as heir, only her son. They only got calm after Miguel's death. With Joanna, they were nicer because she already had a son. For an unmarried Isabella to get the Cortes's approval, it just seems impossible. Even the Castilian Cortes seems unlikely. For an unmarried, childless woman to succeed in that world, I just don't see that. I think she would have been pushed into a marriage after John's death at some point, either by her parents or by one of the Cortes.
Tbh Isabella took her duties as heir relatively seriously after John's death, so who knows how she would have behaved as queen. Maybe she would have had her own mind, maybe she wouldn't. But Ferdinand was old, as old as his wife, so even if he was expected to rule for his daughter, that was only a very temporary solution, not a long term one.
There were male second cousins of the Trastamara Aragonese line, just very insignificant ones compared to the royal family. (I think the closest was one named Enrique)
Well, who knows. Elizabeth I was also very unlikely to get away with the unmarried queen state, and yet she did, so maybe Isabella would have also managed somehow. It is indeed a very interesting question to think about.
@@Lily1127channel I actually didn't think for a minute that Aragon would accept Isabel jr. solely🙃 My thought was rather for the 12 years that Ferdi outlived Isabel. It seems he was quite a healthy dude, and not so old. Aragonese had their king, so they are fine for the time. Their king had already a male grandchild, so they had an option. If he could get Charles to Spain as child - Aragon seem to be fine...
Though, I must say, I have no idea what Isabel jr. would be as a ruler. I know about her just a little and supposed she had zero ambitions after Alfonso's death.
Also, I have no idea about what Castilian Cortes would agree with. It is just - you are talking about Elizabeth I. But as a russian, I also think about Sofia Romanova governing for her brothers - and then the whole Catherines&Elizabeth&Anna we had. Then there were a lot of mothers, who were governing for thier children in several countries - before and after 1500s. So I'm really unsure that Isabel jr. would have bigger problem, especially considering that her dynasty is already continued with her sisters... Again, would bringing Charles to Spain not be enough?🙄
Question. If Isabel jr. was promised not to marry anymore - that means Joanna was in fact 2nd in line to continue the dynasty. Why was Joanna married off so far to begin with? Portugals easily counted that John is weak, at least Ferdi must have seen possibility of him dying young. If Habsburg heir was 'bad-bad' even before Philipp actually came to take power from Ferdi - why didn't they wed Joanna to Portugal, Maria to Philipp?
@@TheMagicAround I think that was the same reason why they let Isabella remain unmarried for so long after Afonso's death. That they actually thought (or rather hoped) that John would make it until at least he produces a few heirs. They didn't think as far as Joanna, that's for sure. Otherwise they would have promised her to Manuel instead of Maria at the time this clip is also set. Even Flanders was a several months travel distance, and Austria is even worse.
Well, the Habsburgs didn't let Charles out of the Habsburgs domains even when his own parents inherited Castile, I don't know if they would have let Charles grow up in Spain with other relatives.
Yeah there were many woman in history who governed by that time but there were usually men involved, at least symbolically. Husband, son, brother. But an unmarried childless woman was the "worst" you could have at that time. When I was working on the La Corona Partida videos, I read a paper about how Joanna's situation and position changed after Philip's death, and whether she ever stood a chance as a widow to rule as her mother did. It was basically a long analysis on how a woman ruling figure was tolerated, sometimes even adored, with males involved, and how much less chance a woman stood without a male figure like a husband or son. And that for people at that time a woman ruler without a male figure was just unthinkable. Basically in Spain they couldn't even think of a coin for Joanna that showed only a woman's face and no man's next to her (with Isabella, there was always Ferdinand next to hers, and then Philip with Joanna). And then there was the question of the army, which until that point was always the responsibility of the female sovereign's husband.
I think Isabella would have been under the same enormous pressure (or even bigger) to marry as Elizabeth I was. Whether she had still made it, I don't know, it would have taken the same remarkable cunning. I think the most likely scenario is that after John's death she would have had close to no chance to remain unmarried. But we will never know for sure.
4:30 lol was he calling Isabella old
Juan tenia labio leporino, en ninguno de los personajes lo hacen real.... ni siquiera con maquillaje artistico
but wait they left isabel out🧐
Yes, because at this time it was promised to Princess Isabella that she wouldn't have to remarry (she was already the widow of Prince Afonso of Portugal)
Lili1127 thanks
Petra Skvarc her parents did eventually make her marry again.
Man did these all fail miserably.
The parents seem passionate, psycho passionate about making these alliances.
Look at their eyes and body language. Scary.
And also this is one of the early examples of narcissist abusive parents. Who are manipulating their children in to a glorious dream.
Wtf??? 😂 They were neither psycho, nor scary, nor nacissist, nor abusive.
Everyone married for alliances in that era.
Everyone did it so it should be right. Gotcha 😂
No, but it was another world. In the middle ages, life expectancy was low and everyone suffered from hunger and bad life circumstances every now and then, but royals never did. They had such a privileged life compared to others just because they were born royals, nothing else. Of course such privileges should come with a price. For royals this price is that sometimes they had to put the sake of their kingdom before their own personal interests. In marriages, too, for example.
@@bil94033 we cannot view their actions from a 21st century perspective. Isabella and Ferdinand gave their children a first rate education, even her daughters and that is a sign of love. Being royal back then and also now requires sacrifices. They had to provide for their children but also for their subjects who in a way are their children as well. Making alliances were not for their own benefit. all the money that come with dowaries and alliances didn't go in their personal pockets but rather in the coffers of castile and Aragon in order to provide for their people and to fight their enemy, the king of France. Or so I think.
Marriages were basically political alliances back then. Isabella and Ferdinand were doing what all the other monarchs did; arrange alliances.