The ending of the last story when Metal Sonic says *It's no use, why can't I seem to defeat you?* Genuinely made me feel sympathetic to Metal Sonic and his connection to Sonic. It's like he finally realized after this that there was nothing he could do to be the _real_ Sonic
I always kept Team Sonic's Team Blast and their end level's ranking screen animations in my mind. Love how expressive they are and seing them being "boys" and working as a team is so good. Edit : SHIT ROCK YEAH!
Man when you spoke about Deem Britsow and he would have loved to see the fans and never got a chance to see the impact of his work as Dr. Eggman, it broke my heart. So true, he would have loved it. I loved him and the others in SA2. I still think they were all the best
Here are a couple of things I want to point out: The Japanese dialogue for Sonic's "stubborn and full of surprises" quote mentions instead that stubbornness is a saving grace for both him and Shadow. This references a line from Adventure 2 where Sonic says this is his saving grace before the second fight with Shadow. Another thing to say is that power cores to level up a character not being played as at that point will appear for every five robots destroyed, as well as for every Egg Hammer robot destroyed. An instrumental version of the theme can be found as an unlockable song in the Gallery in the Wii version of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. For Team Chaotix's Egg Storm battle, another way to kill the faraway enemies besides the cannon is to get on a rail in fly formation and use Thunder Shoot to defeat them pretty fast.
Was about to comment on the translation myself it really does go over a lot of people’s heads, but that could be a case of not being as fleshed out but alot can be interpreted if you think hard enough and pay attention
I’m currently playing Heroes and I find Team Dark’s story funny because by the Casino levels it really has the vibe of “Shadow & Rouge going on a road trip and enjoying the sights while Omega desperately tries to get them to focus on the whole Eggman thing”
Here's something that makes Mystic Mansion stand out from Hang Castle to the same degree as it's counterpart: The stage has several music triggers. Where Hang Castle has two music tracks, Mystic Mansion's track changes based on the player's location. For example, the calmer bell section is played when the player is exploring the mansion, but the moment they encounter combat, the more rocking section comes on.
It actually has a third variant too! When you reach the core of the well with the 3 trials, the song switches to a sort of punk electric thrum. Really ominous!
20:05 There's a theory out there that says the reason why Rouge doesn't just tell Shadow his past is because she didn't know whether or not he was the real Shadow. Or the other theory that some came up with is... She was focusing on her own goal too much, that she didn't think to ask.
Regarding why they called themselves "sonic heroes", i always thought it was eggman's attempt at mocking team sonic and Sonic just embracing it at the end.
pretty sure the reason for collecting the chao is the same why metal kidnapped chocola, chaos was a mutated chao and metal combined that with the reminds of chaos in froggy, eggman was trying to stop metal's transformation not knowing he already kidnapped a chao already
Spent HOURS on this game… and can I say what an amazing video, I watched your SA2 video as well and I love it. No other video about these games have nearly as much detail, this is what us Sonic,Mario,ect… fans die for, every little detail. Keep killing it man, just subscribed.
Finally. Coop, there is nobody on this Earth who was more excited for this video than me. I'm going to be watching this at least 3 times Please do Shadow the Hedgehog Coop. I'm begging you. Also, we might need to hear you do a Crush 40 cover!!!!
Sonic Heroes is a very charming game and the perfect send-off for the Adventure voice crew. It’s my second favorite Sonic game behind Sonic Adventure. This review came out excellently! Two hours of Cooper content is the perfect kind of pastime. Looking forward to your next one!
As a track and field fanatic. THIS IS SONICS BEST RUNNING ANIMATION. It brings me so much high octane to go through levels as team Sonic and Rose. The animations are just right (foregoing the iffy mechanics)
Team Sonic's team blast does have a special effect. When the meter is draining after you use it, have Tails use thundershoot or try to use Sonics tornado attack and he does the light speed attack, effectively being another screen nuke.
44:33 Actually, that's where you're wrong. The Rocket Accel is actually way more useful than you think it is. For one thing, if you let the fly and power type characters give the speed type character a small boost after holding the attack button, the move will be given a wind effect which you can also use to grab poles. I always use this instead of the tornado attack because it saves a decent amount of time unless the pole is placed on a small spot.
Not to mention that there are 2 tiers of the rocket accel. The first tier is the slower one that lets only the power character give the speed character the smaller boost by just letting go the attack button. It is shorter and easier to control and especially useful to dearmor multiple enemies at once including the Egg Hammer with helmets or even blow out the torches (yes, this actually works, too). The second tier lets the fly character give the speed character a much faster boost by pressing the attack button again and increases the speed character's speed a lot. Combining it with the stored momentum and jumps as speed or fly or the glide with power allows you to do helpful shortcuts. Alternatively you can just tap the attack button once while moving to do a guaranteed regular speed character's attack. Doing that will always make your team mates get right behind you until you jump or get hit. Once they are right behind you, the second and third press will always give you the soft and hard rocket accel.
The train noises of Rail Canyon of the PC version made me die of laughter beyond all reason it seems the PC versions of certain video games tend to have excessively high sound quality
Regarding the Team Blast Glitch. As far as I remember, in the PC version you can't press two buttons simultaneously, so the usual version of the glitch is impossible. However, the Team Blast Glitch works in the PC version, but a little differently. Select Tails, fly in place, switch to Knuckles while still in the air, let Tails descend, and at the exact moment when he touches the ground (has to be frame-perfect), press the attack button. If done correctly, Knuckles will attack, and Tails will get stuck in the air, filling up the Team Blast gauge. This works with other teams too ^^
My first Sonic game. I was blown away by the game speed, by that point i have never played a speed platformer, so i was absolutely captivated. Also, great lengthy review. The need to fill this with every fun fact about the game is a welcome one.
This was the first game I ever played. Can't believe its 20 years old now 😢 A memory I have with it thats stuck with me is how long it took me to beat it 😂
I used to intentionally get the speed and power characters trapped by enemies to run around as the flying characters while trying to get as far into the level as I could hahaha
This is my favourite 3D sonic game I acknowledge that this game has a lot of jank and having to play through it four times just to get to the last story but I love how this game looks, the soundtrack is a banger and the main gameplay minus team chaotix is awesome
I think a main reason for Sonic Heroes not being re-released as is (and someone please correct me.) is for the Renderware engine it's running on, having been done by Criterion who are owned by Electronic Arts, and perhaps its a licensing thing? Which, all the more reason a Remake for this would be sick one day.
Idk if this was mentioned but on game grumps they claimed they got an email from a developer of Sonic heroes for the ps2 version, and the developer claimed that they had to keep working on the game despite the bugs, they said if the bug doesn’t affect finishing the game do not fix it. They literally only fixed bugs in the game that made it impossible to beat the game, all other bugs stayed
If u hold down the grind button, you will go a lot faster than mashing it. This made rail canyon one of my favorite maps to play. It’s so much fun to launch off of those rails at max speed and land on a platform, cutting off multiple sections of the game. Plus free falling and sticking the landing is so much fun lol. With that said, the 2 arcs I hate the most is the casino lvls and mystic mansion cuz it slows u down, focusing heavily on platform jumping, puzzles, and defeating enemies.
The grind rails in heroes are great, and one of the most poorly understood parts of this game. Don't just mash the button, hold it down and actually lean. You go WAY faster. When switching, let go of the button before you switch. It very rarely sends you off the rail. Actually, a couple of things you said in this video annoyed me. All of the systems in this game work together, don't just tell people not to engage with them. Don't just switch to the fly character all the time, actually learn how to use the speed character. Also, being able to switch in midair would completely remove the challenge of these levels. You couldn't just fly if you fucked up (while not playing tails) in any other sonic games. Sorry if I kinda sound like a jerk, but I love this game and so many people misunderstand how certain things work. I liked the video other than that though :D
About the rails, you only get sent off the rail if you switch them on curved rails or if there is a height difference inbetween. On perfectly straight rails, that pretty much never happens. I also pretty much agree with your second point. Playing as fly is safer but learning how all the characters including the speed character works is much more satisfying, more rewarding and more fun. In Rail Canyon I sometimes skip some rail sections by falling on the rails below me by using the speed character.
1:22:42 To be more accurate, the tracks were made for “Sonic & Sega All*Stars Racing” and its sequel, “Sonic & All*Stars Racing Transformed”. With an additional track from the first game that never made it to TSR. The music remixes are new tho.
1:28:09 “This isn’t Metropolis, it’s…GRAND METROPOLIS!” “Do do do do do doooooooo” -Radical Soda Jokes aside, they probably just forgot about the other levels.
The alligator scared the crap out of me as a kid and was a pain to get through i was afraid to complete the stage for a while I prefer ocean palace that riff that plays is one of the greatest in sonic and power plant are my favorites
Original Xbox's are actually very simple and quick to repair depending on the issue. If it still powers up, absolutely check the error code on the error screen. If you wanna try it, you could replace the disc drive with the one from your new console, if the drive is the issue. Its very safe and easy, I had no console repair experience but Ive repaired about 5 or 6 of them by now and never failed. Teardown is very easy and you can find great vids on it. If the console doesnt boot at all then its probably corrosion from the capacitors that leak onto the motherboard, and If thats the case then Id say it most like is done for.
Team Chaotix has the BEST Robot Storm you're constantly getting rings and instantly refilling the team blast meter and as for the cannon section just use thunder shoot it's WAY easier and quicker. Yes you can actually reach. As dor the special stage, okay I'll give you the controls on that one but here's how I immediately get it in seconds: switch to power, grab orbs, hold boost. Done. It's pathetically easy. Also long levels are not inherently bad. I vasty prefer the longer levels in Heroes and fill that the Rose levels end just as their getting good. Also the level design completely changes, the enemies change, the team blast changes, the objective changes, the movesets change. Each team is WILDLY different. People claim it's the EXACT game repeating 4 times when it's just the base level layout that repeats. Everything else is different. People will happily 100% Mario 64 but heroes has too much repetition? What? I only see the recycling of content to be a good thing. If like you you only really enjoy 1 team then just play that team and roll credits. The last boss isn't anything crazy I don't know why people feel "forced" to play every team when it rolls credits after 1. If you don't enjoy the game, why play game? But if like me, you enjoy EVERY part of the game then great! More game! Plus extra missions. Which if you thought the that torch mission was bad which yeah, it should've been only like 30 not 60, try playing the blue torch mission. Not for the faint of heart I'll tell you. But I got all emblems. Team Sonic and Dark are of both much higher difficulties? Team Sonic is PISS EASY. What are on about? The level design and enemy variety is WAY more challenging in dark including mainly classic-esque passivity traps. Also I use the rocket accel all the time since it has tornado properties which means it lets you accend poles since it's faster than doing the tornado.
Sonic Heroes is an interesting beast for me. Growing up, I was not a GameCube household, it was basically just PS2 and when it came to Sonic? I was aware of his existence but not really of the games. Something about the ads for Sonic Heroes clicked with me and lo and behold, I wound up picking up the game at one point during a trip out. I had no clue what I was playing was the worst version of the game or how uneven it would be considered. I just played it and... I adored it from that point onward. Years later I'd experience the GameCube version via the Nintendont loader (Don't judge me, I'm broke as hell, aftermarket prices are a pain and I own the game so I don't feel too shameful about this.) and would replay Sonic Heroes many times over and... honestly this game I can see the cracks in. Scripted segments feel like they're sometimes built on toothpicks and gum, the speed is super jacked up, the special stages blow ass with their control, there's a lot about Heroes I don't like... but all that fades with all its brightest spots. For me, Heroes is my ideal Sonic game in terms of aesthetic, tone and just fun. I didn't experience the Adventure games until much later in life thanks to the PSN ports and while those are solid and I certainly see why they're so beloved? Honestly this is much more my speed of Sonic game and the memories are too numerous. The chuckles I'd get over Knuckles' "All right." being cut off every time by the PS2 release, the rapid switching I'd do just to hear characters cut each other off, this was my first exposure to Shadow and I remember just thinking he was so cool with his voice and design. Hell, I remember the moment I finally beat Team Rose's story after the many instances of just starting a team and never finishing it and just the sense of accomplishment I felt. Heroes has its problems, a LOT of problems but honestly none of them overshadow the fun I will always have revisiting it.
29:35 is a lot more interesting now after Frontiers and what we know about Chaos, the God of Destruction, and the Chao creatures! obviously this wasn’t some sort of ~super secret~ detail that went under our noses, but it’s fascinating how the meaning of this line has been unintentionally expanded upon over two decades since Heroes came out
1:57:42 First, it would be easier by just using Charmy and fly towards the enemies and then thunder shoot them. Second, you can get out of this canon as Vector by turing the canon by 180° and just pressing the B button to leave the canon. The game in the beginning even tells you that you can leave the canon this way.
I bet a lot of people got introduced to the series thanks to this game, and being on multi-platform. It'd be so cool if it gets released again. I mean c'mon Sega, releasing old games in higher Res. is a trend now, get along😆
26:54 that's the line sonic says to shadow when shadow asks how sonic survived in SA2 in the japanese version. If he said, "Talk about dying hard," the reference would have made sense in English.
@cooperastille there is one big redemption for PS2 version of sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog. In the language menu for sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog you have the option to switch to the japanese voices ingame. It may not be much but its worth sacrificing the framerate.
My favorite Sonic game of all time. Sonic Mega Collection was my first introduction of this series, but Heroes is where got me hooked up. 👀👀👀 LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Sonic Heroes is pretty cool, sure i easily prefer Sonic Adventure 1 and Adventure 2 (and even 2006). But i do respect it, frog forest is such a banger level 👌
2:21:00 shit man I am this kind of fan xD I love this game real bad, the last time I did 100% on it it only took me 22 hours, barely need to come back to get any A rank because I got most of them on the first attemp already (including super hard mode)
14:20 The rabbit hole actually goes a little deeper with the PAL versions. Unlike the PAL Gamecube version, apparently the PAL PS2 version's 50 Hz mode actually runs FASTER than the 60 Hz mode, if you can believe that. Someone actually made a side by side comparison. czcams.com/video/2usMPTHjZWs/video.html Now, which one is closer to the NTSC speed? I have no clue. This also make me wonder if the PAL Xbox version does have its own speed quirks like that after all. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any good comparison videos for it. Would've been cool to see something like this for other multiplat Sonic games from that generation too (namely Shadow and Riders). EDIT: After further examining and comparing the recordings available on CZcams, I can safely say that the PS2 PAL 60 mode plays the same as Gabecube's PAL 50 and NTSC, so it's properly optimized there, meanwhile the Gamecube's PAL 60 mode is actually FASTER than PS2 PAL 50 mode, if you can believe it. Still makes me curious what the PAL50 and PAL60 modes are like on the Xbox version.
1:58:14 Albatross is really quick. Just wait by standing in place. Eventually the ship will fly to you. Which then make sure you start spamming the homing attack on the wing. Try staying on the wing but you can move to the middle of the ship. Just know that you can easily move to the front of the ship where the canon is, slowing you down as you wouldn’t be dealing damage to the main part of the ship. The wings and middle of the ship shares the same health bar. Then do the same thing, waiting and all, but now you’ll homing attack the nose of the blimp. And again with the Egg Hawk. But it’s not as easy to stay homing attacking it. Make sure you don’t destroy any of the phases when the boss is over rails. You auto snap to land after destroying a phase, but since you are over rails you would just fall more often than not. (Yes, you would snap to the land the Boss is above, no matter if you are above land or not. It’s a fail safe so you wouldn’t just fall after destroying a phase)
I don't think the PS2 version is that bad at all. It runs fine I disagree with you saying Shadow was the weakest part of the story. Shadow was great. The amnesia thing was weird but he still acted like himself. His line at the start at Egg Fleet was badass
sonic x sonic and ryan drummond as his va are just perfect thats the sonic i loved tbh.he wasnt overly cheesy or sound like he had a glizzy in his throat he was cool balanced adorable and had the perfect energy
I remember playing this game on the PS2 and trying my fucking hardest to get all the emeralds and failing for months. Then i realized i can hold boost in the special stages and i hated myself. Why was i dumb ass a kid?
Normally I would say it's a crime to feature many soundtracks but not bullet station. But I'll ignore it because you hate the level. Despite that, great review.👏
Damn talk about easy money. $12,000 just for saying Get Happy? Adjusted for inflation, that’s….. a crap ton of money! Also, have you tried wall jumping in heels? I mean I haven’t but I’m sure it’s really difficult 😅
What's a memory from Sonic Heroes that's always stuck with you?
I remember getting it the day it released and playing it many times that year. It helped make that year very good for me.
The ending of the last story when Metal Sonic says *It's no use, why can't I seem to defeat you?* Genuinely made me feel sympathetic to Metal Sonic and his connection to Sonic. It's like he finally realized after this that there was nothing he could do to be the _real_ Sonic
Tails' Silly Voice
I always kept Team Sonic's Team Blast and their end level's ranking screen animations in my mind. Love how expressive they are and seing them being "boys" and working as a team is so good.
Edit : SHIT ROCK YEAH!
6:42 this
This was my first ever Sonic game
This was my first ever game
Mine too. That and Sonic mega collection.
sorry for your loss
Me too 💛 I was at McDonalds when it was on the GameCube kiosk 😭
Man, My first sonic game being Sonic the hedgehog on sega genesis I feel old if heroes is your first 😭
Man when you spoke about Deem Britsow and he would have loved to see the fans and never got a chance to see the impact of his work as Dr. Eggman, it broke my heart. So true, he would have loved it. I loved him and the others in SA2. I still think they were all the best
Here are a couple of things I want to point out:
The Japanese dialogue for Sonic's "stubborn and full of surprises" quote mentions instead that stubbornness is a saving grace for both him and Shadow. This references a line from Adventure 2 where Sonic says this is his saving grace before the second fight with Shadow.
Another thing to say is that power cores to level up a character not being played as at that point will appear for every five robots destroyed, as well as for every Egg Hammer robot destroyed.
An instrumental version of the theme can be found as an unlockable song in the Gallery in the Wii version of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.
For Team Chaotix's Egg Storm battle, another way to kill the faraway enemies besides the cannon is to get on a rail in fly formation and use Thunder Shoot to defeat them pretty fast.
Was about to comment on the translation myself it really does go over a lot of people’s heads, but that could be a case of not being as fleshed out but alot can be interpreted if you think hard enough and pay attention
I’m currently playing Heroes and I find Team Dark’s story funny because by the Casino levels it really has the vibe of “Shadow & Rouge going on a road trip and enjoying the sights while Omega desperately tries to get them to focus on the whole Eggman thing”
Eggman: I won't go down that easy
*Seconds later*
Eggman: Defeated? Impossible!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Here's something that makes Mystic Mansion stand out from Hang Castle to the same degree as it's counterpart: The stage has several music triggers. Where Hang Castle has two music tracks, Mystic Mansion's track changes based on the player's location.
For example, the calmer bell section is played when the player is exploring the mansion, but the moment they encounter combat, the more rocking section comes on.
It actually has a third variant too! When you reach the core of the well with the 3 trials, the song switches to a sort of punk electric thrum. Really ominous!
Sonic "Alright Eggman lets get this party started." 😎 True ones know where this line is said.
20:05 There's a theory out there that says the reason why Rouge doesn't just tell Shadow his past is because she didn't know whether or not he was the real Shadow. Or the other theory that some came up with is... She was focusing on her own goal too much, that she didn't think to ask.
Regarding why they called themselves "sonic heroes", i always thought it was eggman's attempt at mocking team sonic and Sonic just embracing it at the end.
pretty sure the reason for collecting the chao is the same why metal kidnapped chocola, chaos was a mutated chao and metal combined that with the reminds of chaos in froggy, eggman was trying to stop metal's transformation not knowing he already kidnapped a chao already
Spent HOURS on this game… and can I say what an amazing video, I watched your SA2 video as well and I love it. No other video about these games have nearly as much detail, this is what us Sonic,Mario,ect… fans die for, every little detail. Keep killing it man, just subscribed.
Finally. Coop, there is nobody on this Earth who was more excited for this video than me. I'm going to be watching this at least 3 times
Please do Shadow the Hedgehog Coop. I'm begging you. Also, we might need to hear you do a Crush 40 cover!!!!
I don't care what anyone says, Sonic Heroes has always been the best of the so-called "Dreamcast-era" for me.
Agreed.
Sonic Heroes is a very charming game and the perfect send-off for the Adventure voice crew. It’s my second favorite Sonic game behind Sonic Adventure.
This review came out excellently! Two hours of Cooper content is the perfect kind of pastime. Looking forward to your next one!
Every Sonic retrospective by you is a reason for me tk be happy im looking foward to watching this over and over again
29:19 it wasn't just the frog (if it even was) it was the Chao. Chaos is a mutated chao
As a track and field fanatic. THIS IS SONICS BEST RUNNING ANIMATION. It brings me so much high octane to go through levels as team Sonic and Rose. The animations are just right (foregoing the iffy mechanics)
Team Sonic's team blast does have a special effect. When the meter is draining after you use it, have Tails use thundershoot or try to use Sonics tornado attack and he does the light speed attack, effectively being another screen nuke.
I really love taking shortcuts in Frog Forest. The level gives you so much freedom at some points.
44:33 Actually, that's where you're wrong. The Rocket Accel is actually way more useful than you think it is. For one thing, if you let the fly and power type characters give the speed type character a small boost after holding the attack button, the move will be given a wind effect which you can also use to grab poles. I always use this instead of the tornado attack because it saves a decent amount of time unless the pole is placed on a small spot.
Not to mention that there are 2 tiers of the rocket accel. The first tier is the slower one that lets only the power character give the speed character the smaller boost by just letting go the attack button. It is shorter and easier to control and especially useful to dearmor multiple enemies at once including the Egg Hammer with helmets or even blow out the torches (yes, this actually works, too). The second tier lets the fly character give the speed character a much faster boost by pressing the attack button again and increases the speed character's speed a lot. Combining it with the stored momentum and jumps as speed or fly or the glide with power allows you to do helpful shortcuts.
Alternatively you can just tap the attack button once while moving to do a guaranteed regular speed character's attack. Doing that will always make your team mates get right behind you until you jump or get hit. Once they are right behind you, the second and third press will always give you the soft and hard rocket accel.
@@dandark8157 Yep! That's true as well!
The train noises of Rail Canyon of the PC version made me die of laughter beyond all reason it seems the PC versions of certain video games tend to have excessively high sound quality
My introduction to sonic :)
My crush for Amy began with this
The problem is that I was stuck with the Buggy ps2 port
This video was amazing. I’ve seen SO many video essays on this game and I still was able to learn so much new stuff off of this video
Regarding the Team Blast Glitch.
As far as I remember, in the PC version you can't press two buttons simultaneously, so the usual version of the glitch is impossible. However, the Team Blast Glitch works in the PC version, but a little differently. Select Tails, fly in place, switch to Knuckles while still in the air, let Tails descend, and at the exact moment when he touches the ground (has to be frame-perfect), press the attack button. If done correctly, Knuckles will attack, and Tails will get stuck in the air, filling up the Team Blast gauge. This works with other teams too ^^
omg is that the f-framemeister…
this is one of your coziest videos ever, i love sonic heroes so much you have no idea.
ALSO I LOVE YOU TOO GRAHH.
My first Sonic game. I was blown away by the game speed, by that point i have never played a speed platformer, so i was absolutely captivated.
Also, great lengthy review. The need to fill this with every fun fact about the game is a welcome one.
The one line Will Corkery nailed was “AAH! THERE’S TWO ROCKS NOW!”
This was the first game I ever played. Can't believe its 20 years old now 😢
A memory I have with it thats stuck with me is how long it took me to beat it 😂
I used to intentionally get the speed and power characters trapped by enemies to run around as the flying characters while trying to get as far into the level as I could hahaha
Sonic Heroes would be a 10/10 if the control physics didn’t suck major balls.
The control physics don't suck
@@Flare8295 Yes they do.
Seriously this might be the best performance by a sonic actor ever. And I used to have Jason above Ryan too
I thought I was the only one who noticed shadow dabbing. Coopers are goated.
This is my favourite 3D sonic game I acknowledge that this game has a lot of jank and having to play through it four times just to get to the last story but I love how this game looks, the soundtrack is a banger and the main gameplay minus team chaotix is awesome
I think a main reason for Sonic Heroes not being re-released as is (and someone please correct me.) is for the Renderware engine it's running on, having been done by Criterion who are owned by Electronic Arts, and perhaps its a licensing thing?
Which, all the more reason a Remake for this would be sick one day.
Idk if this was mentioned but on game grumps they claimed they got an email from a developer of Sonic heroes for the ps2 version, and the developer claimed that they had to keep working on the game despite the bugs, they said if the bug doesn’t affect finishing the game do not fix it. They literally only fixed bugs in the game that made it impossible to beat the game, all other bugs stayed
Rail Canyon and Bullet Station give me anxiety. As a kid i could just never trust the rails.
If u hold down the grind button, you will go a lot faster than mashing it. This made rail canyon one of my favorite maps to play. It’s so much fun to launch off of those rails at max speed and land on a platform, cutting off multiple sections of the game. Plus free falling and sticking the landing is so much fun lol.
With that said, the 2 arcs I hate the most is the casino lvls and mystic mansion cuz it slows u down, focusing heavily on platform jumping, puzzles, and defeating enemies.
I would love to see a video about your thoughts on the voice actors. I personally feel they don't receive the acknowledgements they deserve
I love a well made video man subscribing now
The grind rails in heroes are great, and one of the most poorly understood parts of this game. Don't just mash the button, hold it down and actually lean. You go WAY faster. When switching, let go of the button before you switch. It very rarely sends you off the rail.
Actually, a couple of things you said in this video annoyed me. All of the systems in this game work together, don't just tell people not to engage with them. Don't just switch to the fly character all the time, actually learn how to use the speed character. Also, being able to switch in midair would completely remove the challenge of these levels. You couldn't just fly if you fucked up (while not playing tails) in any other sonic games.
Sorry if I kinda sound like a jerk, but I love this game and so many people misunderstand how certain things work. I liked the video other than that though :D
About the rails, you only get sent off the rail if you switch them on curved rails or if there is a height difference inbetween. On perfectly straight rails, that pretty much never happens.
I also pretty much agree with your second point. Playing as fly is safer but learning how all the characters including the speed character works is much more satisfying, more rewarding and more fun. In Rail Canyon I sometimes skip some rail sections by falling on the rails below me by using the speed character.
Fun fact the rail grinding only really launches you off if you hold down the crouch button when you try to swap rails
Yhis video was an incredibly fun and in depth review/look! I think you deserve so many more subs!
Thank you for your videos, i like the detailed approach you to take while (re)reviewing the games❤
Good job. The video is very good. I am so curious about your new Shadow the hedgehog perspective. I will be waiting for it
1:22:42
To be more accurate, the tracks were made for “Sonic & Sega All*Stars Racing” and its sequel, “Sonic & All*Stars Racing Transformed”. With an additional track from the first game that never made it to TSR. The music remixes are new tho.
1:28:09
“This isn’t Metropolis, it’s…GRAND METROPOLIS!”
“Do do do do do doooooooo” -Radical Soda
Jokes aside, they probably just forgot about the other levels.
Sonic im depressed and cant get out of bed. What do I do? "Get happy!"
The alligator scared the crap out of me as a kid and was a pain to get through i was afraid to complete the stage for a while I prefer ocean palace that riff that plays is one of the greatest in sonic and power plant are my favorites
Pal gc ver at 60fps the only version I've ever played. I had no idea 😂
I'm sure someone in the gaming scene can repair your dead xbox. :] Probably needs new capacitors and clock capacitor. Anyway, great video.
Original Xbox's are actually very simple and quick to repair depending on the issue. If it still powers up, absolutely check the error code on the error screen. If you wanna try it, you could replace the disc drive with the one from your new console, if the drive is the issue. Its very safe and easy, I had no console repair experience but Ive repaired about 5 or 6 of them by now and never failed. Teardown is very easy and you can find great vids on it. If the console doesnt boot at all then its probably corrosion from the capacitors that leak onto the motherboard, and If thats the case then Id say it most like is done for.
Just finished 100%ing Heroes today. It's fun to do and I don't mind long levels. That just means there's more game to play.
Can't wait for your Shadow re review
At long last…
Honestly I heard Quartz Quadrant Present JP over Green Hill Zone in the Egg Emperor music
Team Chaotix has the BEST Robot Storm you're constantly getting rings and instantly refilling the team blast meter and as for the cannon section just use thunder shoot it's WAY easier and quicker. Yes you can actually reach.
As dor the special stage, okay I'll give you the controls on that one but here's how I immediately get it in seconds: switch to power, grab orbs, hold boost. Done. It's pathetically easy.
Also long levels are not inherently bad. I vasty prefer the longer levels in Heroes and fill that the Rose levels end just as their getting good. Also the level design completely changes, the enemies change, the team blast changes, the objective changes, the movesets change. Each team is WILDLY different. People claim it's the EXACT game repeating 4 times when it's just the base level layout that repeats. Everything else is different. People will happily 100% Mario 64 but heroes has too much repetition? What? I only see the recycling of content to be a good thing. If like you you only really enjoy 1 team then just play that team and roll credits. The last boss isn't anything crazy I don't know why people feel "forced" to play every team when it rolls credits after 1. If you don't enjoy the game, why play game? But if like me, you enjoy EVERY part of the game then great! More game! Plus extra missions. Which if you thought the that torch mission was bad which yeah, it should've been only like 30 not 60, try playing the blue torch mission. Not for the faint of heart I'll tell you. But I got all emblems.
Team Sonic and Dark are of both much higher difficulties? Team Sonic is PISS EASY. What are on about? The level design and enemy variety is WAY more challenging in dark including mainly classic-esque passivity traps.
Also I use the rocket accel all the time since it has tornado properties which means it lets you accend poles since it's faster than doing the tornado.
Sonic Heroes is an interesting beast for me. Growing up, I was not a GameCube household, it was basically just PS2 and when it came to Sonic? I was aware of his existence but not really of the games. Something about the ads for Sonic Heroes clicked with me and lo and behold, I wound up picking up the game at one point during a trip out. I had no clue what I was playing was the worst version of the game or how uneven it would be considered. I just played it and... I adored it from that point onward.
Years later I'd experience the GameCube version via the Nintendont loader (Don't judge me, I'm broke as hell, aftermarket prices are a pain and I own the game so I don't feel too shameful about this.) and would replay Sonic Heroes many times over and... honestly this game I can see the cracks in. Scripted segments feel like they're sometimes built on toothpicks and gum, the speed is super jacked up, the special stages blow ass with their control, there's a lot about Heroes I don't like... but all that fades with all its brightest spots. For me, Heroes is my ideal Sonic game in terms of aesthetic, tone and just fun. I didn't experience the Adventure games until much later in life thanks to the PSN ports and while those are solid and I certainly see why they're so beloved? Honestly this is much more my speed of Sonic game and the memories are too numerous. The chuckles I'd get over Knuckles' "All right." being cut off every time by the PS2 release, the rapid switching I'd do just to hear characters cut each other off, this was my first exposure to Shadow and I remember just thinking he was so cool with his voice and design. Hell, I remember the moment I finally beat Team Rose's story after the many instances of just starting a team and never finishing it and just the sense of accomplishment I felt. Heroes has its problems, a LOT of problems but honestly none of them overshadow the fun I will always have revisiting it.
Dinosaurs? Pirate theme? I feel like there a Sonic game with both of those level themes.. hmmm 🤔
29:35 is a lot more interesting now after Frontiers and what we know about Chaos, the God of Destruction, and the Chao creatures! obviously this wasn’t some sort of ~super secret~ detail that went under our noses, but it’s fascinating how the meaning of this line has been unintentionally expanded upon over two decades since Heroes came out
1:57:42 First, it would be easier by just using Charmy and fly towards the enemies and then thunder shoot them.
Second, you can get out of this canon as Vector by turing the canon by 180° and just pressing the B button to leave the canon. The game in the beginning even tells you that you can leave the canon this way.
1:58:05 if I remember correctly you can cancel the cannon fire by pressing B
I bet a lot of people got introduced to the series thanks to this game, and being on multi-platform. It'd be so cool if it gets released again. I mean c'mon Sega, releasing old games in higher Res. is a trend now, get along😆
Love the voice acting parts of your videos 😊
This is a really good video
THE COOK FINALLY SERVED UPPPPP
You got no idea how much I was looking foward to this 😭
The android shadows get used during the boss fight in the raiil station in the dark team that’s why theirs a dead shadow android
That alligator section had me stuck for a few months it was so challenging for me but i managed to pull through
I use the Impact font too and its mostly due to laziness lmao
26:54 that's the line sonic says to shadow when shadow asks how sonic survived in SA2 in the japanese version. If he said, "Talk about dying hard," the reference would have made sense in English.
I like retrospectives a lot
@cooperastille there is one big redemption for PS2 version of sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog. In the language menu for sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog you have the option to switch to the japanese voices ingame. It may not be much but its worth sacrificing the framerate.
42:37 one of my favorite shows
Wait isn't the letter from Eggman using Impact too?
Considered it to be like Sonic adventure 3 in my brain at the time. Very interesting. Now is this shadow the original or the clone?
My favorite Sonic game of all time. Sonic Mega Collection was my first introduction of this series, but Heroes is where got me hooked up. 👀👀👀 LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I was just re watching the Sonic Adventure video you did. I haven't played Sonic Heroes much, but I'm excited to watch 👍
Just finished the video it was great as always 🎉
Such a banger
Yo new Cooper Castille review. Lets go!!!!
1:57:55 you can exit out of the cannon with the B button (gamecube). It can be helpful in those circumstances
Sonic Heroes is pretty cool, sure i easily prefer Sonic Adventure 1 and Adventure 2 (and even 2006). But i do respect it, frog forest is such a banger level 👌
2:21:00 shit man I am this kind of fan xD I love this game real bad, the last time I did 100% on it it only took me 22 hours, barely need to come back to get any A rank because I got most of them on the first attemp already (including super hard mode)
14:20 The rabbit hole actually goes a little deeper with the PAL versions. Unlike the PAL Gamecube version, apparently the PAL PS2 version's 50 Hz mode actually runs FASTER than the 60 Hz mode, if you can believe that. Someone actually made a side by side comparison. czcams.com/video/2usMPTHjZWs/video.html
Now, which one is closer to the NTSC speed? I have no clue. This also make me wonder if the PAL Xbox version does have its own speed quirks like that after all. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any good comparison videos for it. Would've been cool to see something like this for other multiplat Sonic games from that generation too (namely Shadow and Riders).
EDIT: After further examining and comparing the recordings available on CZcams, I can safely say that the PS2 PAL 60 mode plays the same as Gabecube's PAL 50 and NTSC, so it's properly optimized there, meanwhile the Gamecube's PAL 60 mode is actually FASTER than PS2 PAL 50 mode, if you can believe it. Still makes me curious what the PAL50 and PAL60 modes are like on the Xbox version.
1:58:14
Albatross is really quick.
Just wait by standing in place. Eventually the ship will fly to you. Which then make sure you start spamming the homing attack on the wing. Try staying on the wing but you can move to the middle of the ship. Just know that you can easily move to the front of the ship where the canon is, slowing you down as you wouldn’t be dealing damage to the main part of the ship. The wings and middle of the ship shares the same health bar.
Then do the same thing, waiting and all, but now you’ll homing attack the nose of the blimp.
And again with the Egg Hawk. But it’s not as easy to stay homing attacking it.
Make sure you don’t destroy any of the phases when the boss is over rails. You auto snap to land after destroying a phase, but since you are over rails you would just fall more often than not. (Yes, you would snap to the land the Boss is above, no matter if you are above land or not. It’s a fail safe so you wouldn’t just fall after destroying a phase)
Fellow me and the chaotix are my favorite end credits themes other than team charms theme .
Lets go!!!
I don't think the PS2 version is that bad at all. It runs fine
I disagree with you saying Shadow was the weakest part of the story. Shadow was great. The amnesia thing was weird but he still acted like himself. His line at the start at Egg Fleet was badass
Hey! What system did you record the gameplay on? It looks amazing! Is it emulator or PC with mods?
Footage was captured on every console version, I explain it during the preface
What 230 views in 45 minutes bro fell off…but seriously bro deserves more views
sonic x sonic and ryan drummond as his va are just perfect thats the sonic i loved tbh.he wasnt overly cheesy or sound like he had a glizzy in his throat he was cool balanced adorable and had the perfect energy
22:02
“Neo Metal Sonic if you please!”
Get the reference?!
I remember playing this game on the PS2 and trying my fucking hardest to get all the emeralds and failing for months. Then i realized i can hold boost in the special stages and i hated myself. Why was i dumb ass a kid?
No disrespect to tails but other than him this was the best cast for the franchise
43:40
I find it funny that it took 40 minutes just to get into the gameplay. /pos
1:12:31
Funny he says this while there are rumors of a Unity 5 remake of Sonic Heroes.
If that’s real, it would make this one line really funny.
1:56:15
The cheese seems pretty inconsistent with different versions from what I can tell.
The PS2 version allows you to spam Thunder Shoot to win.
Normally I would say it's a crime to feature many soundtracks but not bullet station. But I'll ignore it because you hate the level. Despite that, great review.👏
2:20:56
I’m more than a psycho. I do this in 06’s longest levels as well.
Damn talk about easy money. $12,000 just for saying Get Happy? Adjusted for inflation, that’s….. a crap ton of money!
Also, have you tried wall jumping in heels? I mean I haven’t but I’m sure it’s really difficult 😅
I like the soundtrack in this game
@coopercastille 31:20 I noticed that the Xbox CG cutscenes are also uncropped.