Ford F-150 3.5 & 5.0 Variable Cam Timing PHASER Problems Explained (P0011, P0012, P0021, P0022)
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- The problems with the 3.5 and 5.0 VCT Phasers broke down and explained. These VCT Phaser will set the following DTC's: P0011, P0012, P0021, P0022. In this video I not only explain the problems with the VCT Phasers but also how to prevent and repair the problem. I also talk about the difficulty of the repair process and the cost.
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This guy knows his stuff and is very experienced considering how young he looks, also great to see someone who is passionate about their work & not just throwing parts at it. Wish all mechanics had his work ethic. Well done sir
Appreciate the kind words man!
Been a ford man all my life and come from a long line of ford lovers.They have abandoned theyre values to longevity.They build nothing but trash now.If it was a pushrod engine it would live but it wears panties like it needs to sissy weak trash.Have a 2019 Expedition Platinum Max $80,000.00 vehicle top of the line ,58000 miles out of warranty ford wont touch it.First start it sounds like a bag of rocks rolling across a garbage can lid then throws a p0022 code.If this trash cant make it 60000 miles without a failure i dont need it. ive changed oil every 3500 miles since new.Ive turned wrenches for 40 years of my life and have never seen ill built trash like this unless it was a Caterpillar.Going to trade it tomorrow for a suburban and 16 fleet trucks will be dodge 5500 as soon as they can get them.Sad but the engineers at ford have 1 thumb in theyre ass and 1 thumb in theyre mouth and are waiting for somebody to say switch.
@@FlyingWrenches13 If I change VCT phasers would you recommend still replacing the cam sensors on both banks?
I’m getting a error right now for only Bank 1 being retarded
@@philiplaflam7972 when was the last time a worker actually made any kind of a big decision in a company? Management, CEO, and investors' board made these decisions. That comes down to capitalists and their henchmen and these decisions were made with profit in mind. Profit fucks us all over and is both but theft. Those people in those positions I just mentioned should get a job.
Where is your shop? My 2017 F-150 3.5L needs some work @@FlyingWrenches13
Very, very good explanation - I'm a fellow tech at a fleet and this guy really seems to know his stuff.
I'm a Sr master tech as well and I own a 15 f150 with the 3.5 and let me tell you I love everything about it. And I change my oil every 3k not just on that but all of our vehicles. But when I bought this truck I updated all the timing components, spark plugs etc. Even down to the turbos and coolant lines etc. I didn't know the history on it so that's why I done it. And when I tore it down it was actually really clean and taken care of but just for my piece of mind I done all that.
Very impressed with the detailed explanation and preventive ways to keep the problem from happening. Thanks for shooting this video man!! Keep it up!!!
Top tip at 10:15. Consistent with other techs who see these engines every day. Great video. Thanks for sharing. Just about to break 3k miles on my 2019 F-150 3.5L.
Thank you!
Great video, super helpful info to get a basic understanding on and other things to consider. I’m in Canada, VCT solenoids alone are $1,100 all in which they said a big chunk is labour. Any time I’m told that it perks my interest to videos like this thinking if they’re already going shoulders deep into the engine then what else makes sense to tackle now and save some labour cost rather than waiting 6-12 months for another bill. 250,000Km on my 5.0 and still going. Shooting for 500,000Km 🤞
Exactly what I needed to know about my cam phasers. Thank you very much!
Own a 2018 Platinum Expedition- 68k+ miles. 2nd time in shop with this issue... He's on point!
Nice video....and I love seeing the Senior Master Mechanic plaque in the background.. That to me means you know your stuff!! Keep the videos coming.
Good day from the Great White North, Alberta Canada
You set my mind at ease. I keep hearing about the rattle, and I own a 17 f150 with a 5.0 230000 km and the wife has a 13 MKS with a 3.5 with 150000 km but I change the oil at 5000miles with Mobil 1 and a Ford filter as well. Both motors are smooth and quite. Hope it stays that way because I plan on keeping them till the wheels fall off
Is the mks a 3.5 Ecoboost or NA 3.5?
Super impressed with your video. I must commend you on your language. So many videos on YT is loaded with vulgarity and I can't have the kids around when viewing them as well as me not wanting to hear them. Hats off to you for being so informative and detailed as well as you not using foul language. I subscribed and look forward to your future videos. Blessings to you and your family.
Appreciate it!
Your kids can jump on Internet and hear or see anything sad
That was a good explanation on the VCT’s! Appreciate your videos.
Just want to say thank you. Finally somebody talking about the VCT issues but letting you know that it’s not a death sentence if you take care of things. Greatly appreciated. I’m having mine repair this week (bought a 2018 used). I will be replacing the oil at every 4500 miles max.
Thank you! Good maintenance is the best thing you will ever do for it.
I bought a new 2022 expedition, break in oil change is at 10k miles. I’ll be doing in between oil changes myself if the dealer dosent want to do them Atleast at 5k
Fordtechmakuloco has been putting out videos on these engines since they came out in 2004
I appreciate you mentioned the amount of work and especially the price. I will start saving more on my piggy bank.
My piggy bank got fat (I had the money) but my regular mechanic said he would do it, but then when I went to pick-up my truck, he says that I didn't need to do all that work. He just changed a coil & spark plug, the engine light went out. But my engine light came back ON after a few months. Before I took it to my mechanic, the light went OFF on its own! A few months later, it came back ON after driving it about 800 miles. I mentioned this to my mechanic and told him I was going to take it to him, then the dumb engine light went OFF again. Right now it's OFF, but I have a feeling it will come back ON again eventually. I can't find a good master mechanic near Houston, Texas. I'm not taking it back to my regular mechanic (fair price kind of guy, that's why I love taking my vehicles to him). The truck runs great, even when the engine light comes ON, but lately, I noticed it loses power when the engine is nice and warmed-up. It still drives, but I can tell is not accelerating properly. I would hate for it to stall on me at a traffic light. (yikes) Anyway, that's my update. I will probably take it to another mechanic, but hopefully I can find a master mechanic to change my phasers, timing chain, tensioners, water pump, etc.
You sir give me hope for the world. If only more people took pride in their work, and did the right thing when nobody was looking, it would be a better place. My local Ford dealer didn’t even bother to remove old wheel weights from les Schwab when I bought new tires from them. They just slapped some more weight on and counterbalanced. That’s why I do all my own PM and repairs. I’d do my tires too, but don’t have a balance machine lol
I understand that for sure lol there is a lot of people in the industry who just simply don’t care about the quality of there work.
Great video and info for my friends truck, love this stuff!
Thanks!
Your channel is awesome. I subscribed today and I'm glad I did. Great content. Keep putting out these great repair videos and advice.
Thank you! Glad you liked the content.
Thank you for the information. I am going through this now. Greenway Ford in Orlando is charging me $3,650.
Thanks a lot Man! I had code P0012 on my coyote 5.0 mustang and i have replaced 4 of the camshafts sprockets once i saw your video and the code gone and drive like normal!!
Good deal! Glad I could help!
Everyone says change oil, but I’ve seen too many videos to count where the phasers begin to rattle with under 2000 miles on the truck. It’s not an oil issue… In One forum A gentleman had to have the phasers replaced with only 300 miles on the truck. Yes, 300 miles!!!!
I just received a notice that my truck has a recall cam phaser rattle. I bought my truck with 22,000 miles and currently have 33,000 and it rattles. My friends expedition does it as well so I assumed it was just normal for the engine... I learned a lot from this video. Thanks.
Thanks man. Yeah I’m getting ready to make a video on that recall they just issued.
What year and motor is your truck?
You're going to blow this channel up big if you keep releasing videos like this. Well done.
I had to laugh, I've got a 14' 5.0 and just replaced the water pump, and every hose/o-ring/reservoir, tensioner on the front of that motor. You're not kidding; those things leak when the wind changes directions. I can only imagine how busy ya'll get when a cold snap comes through.
Thanks for the good video!
Thanks! Looks at them wrong and they start leaking. Haha
Thank you for the info. My truck was in the shop 3 times at 2 dealerships while it was in warranty and they could never figure it out. Now that it us out of warranty im stuck with it. I have the issue of dying while idling and poor performance while running. Im getting the 0012 code as well.
Very good video. I would like to add that my phasers on a 5.0 have been giving me problems for two years without…an error code until this week. It would die at intersections and stops. Now it’s at the dealership being repaired.
What did they do and did it work?
How is it running now??
2015 f150 5.0 I started getting a rough idle sometimes and had truck died at stop twice. I got to thinking how these work off of oil and started using a can of high mileage sea foam every oil change and it has gotten some better just maybe give me a little more time for the repair but just figured i would post my experience with this issue as maybe it will work for some others to buy you a little more time but its definitely not a long term fix. Like vids keep up great work
I have a ‘17 f150. 5.0. With 100kmiles on it. No problems with phasers yet. I run 5-30 synthetic and have changed oil at 7500 miles. So far so good.
It shouldn’t give you issues as long as you keep it maintained.
Great vid. Well done. 2017 5.0 w 186k.
Appreciate your insight young man new subscriber earned.
Thx bro, you are really helpful 😂
Received the latest update a couple of weeks ago on the app for my 2018 F150 Lariat 3.5 and took it to dealer. They had it for a week and replaced cam phasers and I got it back today. Hoping it takes care of cold start rattle because I really like my truck.
yeah that should take care of your issue!
I have a 14 F-150 limited 4x4 with 232400kilometers and it has only ever had amsoil signature series 5w30 and filters and recently added a dual remote bypass oil filter kit. The bypass filters are 99.7% efficient at 2 microns. 0 issues and 0 rattles
i see 500000 km on a 5.0 ...only regular motorcraft oil filter and oil....
Glad to have found this vid. Super informative. I have a ‘16 5.0 and just replaced the passenger side solenoids myself. Still having the stalling problem. Oil is clean and well changed every 3-5k, even from the previous owner. Might end up tackling the phasers this spring once it warms back up.
I’m only having the stalling once the truck is up to operating temp, and usually only after I run it a little hard through town. Just starts wanting to stall at lights.
I’m having exactly the same problem
Me too I’m waiting for it to warm up and I’m tackling my exhaust phaser, I replaced my intake phaser on passenger side and was stupid and didn’t replace the one right next to it, rookie mistake
Add another 2016 to this list...
Me too
Me too. Only difference is code is for drivers side.
Great video! Very informative! Thanks
Thank you!
Great video definitely understand more about the cam phasers. I have a 2013 ford f 150 3.5 ecoboost so many issues since i got it ..both turbos replaced under warrenty and got leadframe replaced a few months ago...today i got the news the cam phasers are shot ..rough idle ..poor acceleration ..cam crack corrilation code ..worst engine ive ever owned imo thinking its time for a trade in
Excellence video. Exactly what I need. Have a 17 F150 ecoboost with 144k, ran great till this morning. I’m fully informed now. Have an extended warranty so see how that comes out. Goes to dealer next week but will make sure those extras you suggest are done too. Wish me luck at stealer dealer and warranty company.
How much did it cost overall? I have my 18 with the 5.0 engine getting done now
I'm having this problem now with my 2016 f150 5.0. I bought it in 2019 from a ford dealer with 42k miles now I have 67k miles on it .and always changed my oil at the dealer .I use full synthetic and stay on top of my maintenance . Thanks for the water pump issue information. When they replace those parts I will have them do the water pump at the same time .
No problem. 67K sounds like you just missed factory warranty. Did you have an extended?
@@FlyingWrenches13 I had factory warranty up to 60 .but bought a aftermarket one when I bought the truck. That extended my warranty to 107k miles .
Well at least your getting your moneys worth out of that extended warranty. Make sure they replace your T connecter and o ring along with that water pump. Save you some headache down the road.
Great job, I understand it now, I've looked at so many videos and didn't understand it. I now understand it fully. I'm doing a presentation on Ford's VCT and this video is perfect!!! You should be at least at that ChrisFix guy or higher, way better than him.
Thanks man. Wish I had those subs I’d quit and do it full time lol
Subscribed! Thanks!
U have convinced me!!
I did all my oil changes on time and it still happened to mine , I got ford to fix it 12,000km after the warranty was over it started at 60,000km and I fought with them till I had 132,000km and they finally fixed it with no engine light on because they cleared the code a while back and it wouldn't come back on ,that was their excuse saying no engine light no fix under warranty until I ran out of warranty. It got to the point of me threatening to burn down their dealership and told them to call the cops because I was about K.O everyone in their shop, luckily they had just hired a new shop manager and he pulled up my trucks history of problems then took it for a ride , came back said it would be fixed under warranty , thanks to this awesome manager and his brother who also got hired at the time , he's their head mechanic now . Without those 2 guys I would be in prison and there would be no ford dealership in my home town . Thanks to Pat and Eric at lecours motor sales , ford doesn't realize how much they owe these 2 guy's.
Honestly ford wouldn't care they'd hire new employees within the week and insurance would build the building back. Dodge dealer in Washington' nc did something very similar to me with a Ruff shifting transmission in a pacifica telling my wife it's her driving or it's normal, warranties are worthless when they get to decide if it's covered or not. I'm 100% for small government but these are great examples of when a government should step in and protect the victims of these bad car manufacturers and dealerships. But unfortunately our government made it clear who they are in bed with when they unconstitionally gave them handouts.
What year was your truck?
@@frankhorton9917 2016
@@Dgrinde that sucks bro , mine was a 2016 , they did like 7,000$ of repairs to mine at 132,000km it's now at 148,000km and is still running fine
Having this problem at 50k miles
CHANGE THE OIL. Beautiful statement.
Have a 13 5.0.
Used Motorcraft oil /filters with regular maintenance and good so far. 140000kms
Maintenance is the key to making that engine last.
Great vid on the explanation! Just wish i had a walk through showing the procedures
Thank you! You mean of like how to tear down and put back together?
@@FlyingWrenches13 yes dude 🙏
On my Taurus im lucky enough to have the internal water pump and it will need to be replaced eventually. I use the Puralator PBL22500 Oil filter and I have zero tap on start. Many claimed that this filter solved their f150 woes. All i can say it's definitely seems to make the engine run smoother.
Impressive video.
Incredible info. Subscribed brother
Thank you!
Very informative
Didn't realize I've been so lucky - got a 2016 5.0 with 100k on it, no water pump issues yet but man those cam phasers are stickin something fierce
Awesome video.
I have a 150 with the 5.0 motor and exactly the same problem. Dealer couldn’t replicate so that are reluctant to repair. I finally made another appointment for next week to push them to replace the vct solenoid and a found a coolant leak this morning. I had to laugh when yiu said that you replace the water pumps typically along with this repair.
I sure hope you are off on you dollar estimate.
Are you going to have the vct phasers replaced?
I’m going to see what the dealer says. I might just try the solenoid to start. I’m concerned about dropping 3k into this truck.
Dealer just shrugged their shoulders and said they can’t fix it because they can’t replicate it. I told them to call Ford because clearly somebody knows what is going on with the stalling.
And they want $360 to replace the t connector to resolve the coolant leak.....and suggested replacing my brakes fit $850....uhhhh....really?
I hate dealers but a mechanical that you can trust is hard to find in my area
Understand completely. It shouldn’t cost that much to replace the t connector
U just convinced me to drive my truck screwed up for another 6months and then kick it back to FoRD thanks
Not a bad idea lol
Solid job
Great video!! Definitely subscribed. Looking at probably facing this repair. 88k miles with 100k warranty. No codes yet. Just stalls at a stop. Dealers want to verify need thru a code. F-Ford.
Check engine light came on today. Code P0012. Hitting the dealer in two days. Under extended warranty. See what happens.
Damn this video is super helpful. I did some new VCT sensors on my 2013 5.0 just cause I was doing the valve covers and somehow I think I broke that little tiny magnet that’s inside the VCT phaser. Big ass expensive mistake it seems
Yeah sounds like that one might cost ya a little to fix lol
Did u actually break it? What was the fix.
I had mine go at 30,000 miles in my 3.5 F150. Changed the oil every 5,000 miles with Mobil 1 full synthetic. I'm going down to 3,000 now. Going to try the Pennzoil ultra platinum oil.
Yeah that won’t hurt you for sure.
Oil won’t fix fords dumb design on these phasers…
I just did timing chains tensioners, guides, and phazers on a 3.5.. way over complicated then it has to be for a plumbing work truck, but it runs good, customers happy
2017 F-150 3.5, 33,000 miles, oil changed religiously at 5,000 miles (usually sooner) and if started getting the cam phaser rattle on start up. To say I’m discouraged is an understatement.
Yeah the sad thing with the rattle is that you can’t really do anything to prevent it. It’s just a bad part.
Same on my 2018. Wix and PZN platinum. 45,000 miles.
I currently have a 2016 3.5 Ecoboost F150, which I bought 'preowned'. When I purchased it, I found all/any warranty work, service where done at the same location the truck was bought new! So, I went to that dealer, and they printed out every single time the truck was in, and what it was in for...including oil changes. It obviously always had oil changes within a reasonable time, and it was the Motorcraft synthetic blend oil used, and the only time it didn't (but had a full synthetic used) was the non-Ford dealer that sold it to me, and they put all new brakes and rotors on as well. I'm currently at 127,000 miles, and the engine runs perfect. The only main issue, was it had one exhaust manifold changed on it, and one water pump, but has been good ever since. I did add a 'catch-can' to the truck to help hold off the majority of the gunk from the PVC, other than that all is OEM. I love the truck, as it has all the options I'd want in a truck, so I would certainly have VCT Phaser's replaced if/when they may go out, and I'd have a new chain and any other parts upgraded as well, 'but' my question would be, (unsure if there is anything that would fix this, or if I should) are the heads, as being a 2016 it would have the PVC being returned and mucking up the valves)? Not sure if one should change the heads at the point if the body is off the truck in having the heads cleaned & replaced, new heads or whether to bother with it at all? I'm just thinking 'Longevity' of this truck, so looking for information on if it would be smart to think about this possible head issue, or just do the phaser work? By the way, I drive my truck for getting the best fuel mileage, so it's not driven hard at all, with minimal if any towing.
Honestly it’s just not necessary to do all that work. I would replace the phasers if/when they tear up but other than that I wouldn’t do anything. I’ve seen plenty 300k mile 3.5’s that never had anything done but regular maintenance.
Dude I was having this issue and I'm a HUGE dude on oil. I ised royal purple in all my vehicles. I just bought this 2016 f150 5.0 and it finally threw a code for p0022
Very nice video 👌🏻
Thank you
I bought a 19 F150 5.0 with 48,000 miles and within a week I had this repair done at the dealership under warranty. Everything ran great for about 2,000 miles and then the check engine light came back on. I brought it to another dealer and they said it needs the repair done again! The dealer also brought to my attention that this repair has been performed on my truck 2 other times. Now my truck has barely over 50,000 miles and its had this repair done 3 times! I think it's time to trade it in for a good-Ol pushrod motor. First ford truck I've owned and it will be the last!
Wow!! Did u trade it in??
Very knowledgeable, as a home "Shadetree Mech" I do as much as I can on my own but a jacked up back limits leaning over fenders. The wife's 13 Edge with the 2.0 EcoBoost needs the valves cleaned, I'm starting to do some research to see if my body will allow me to do it. If you haven't done one yet, a video on how to do this would be great.
What do you mean by needs the valves cleaned? What’s it doing?
@@FlyingWrenches13 Starting to miss a bit intermittently. I haven't pulled it apart yet but I figure it's got the carbon buildup on the back of the valves due to the direct inject/no fuel from the EGR.
Thank you so much 🙏
Great video
Just subscribed bro 😎 Love your box! I had one just like it.
Thanks!
I just had these replaced in my truck 3 years ago under warranty and it’s started doing it all over again
I have a 2017 F150 Platinum 3.5 ecoboost with 48k miles on it. I recently heard a slight knock in the engine. I took it to the dealership and they diagnosised the the issue you have described in you video (cam solenoid).
The remedy you described to prevent the issue, changing oil every 4-5k miles didn't work for me. The dealer changed the oil with the synthetic blend a couple of times at 3-5k miles. Then I had them to use their Motocraft full synthetic a couple of times. Then more recently I switched to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30. Each oil change was no more than 5k miles, yet I developed the cam solenoid issue. My truck never had a check engine light or any malfunction light, I just noticed a slight knock when I was under the hood changing out the battery. Had I not been outside of the vehicle with the hood open and motor running, I may not have heard the knocking, but I cought it early.
My question is since I changed my oil with synthetic oil at no more than 5k miles what can I do to prevent the cam solenoid issue from reoccurring?
The main thing that changing your oil regularly will prevent is engine sludge. Was it setting any dtcs? Also is this a 3.5 or a 5.0? Most of the time the 5.0s don’t make any noise they just set a dtc. The 3.5 is the one that’s bad about rattling.
@@FlyingWrenches13 The engine is the 3.5 ecoboost.
There was no check engine light, I just noticed the slight knocking sound coming from the passenger side of the engine. I didn't check for any codes, the knocking got my attention so I took it to be checked out.
The dealer replaced the cam solenoid and associated parts. After picking the truck up on way home the check engine light came on. So back to the dealership it goes.
Maybe something simple like an unplugged connector. Was the noise you were hearing a cold start rattle?
@@FlyingWrenches13 as best I can recall it was at start up and possibly after warm up also.
I'm dealing with this exact issue so I would definitely like to hear your response as well
Excellent detailed video. I've been looking for something like this so thank you. Is there a way to test the solenoids for mechanical failure without removing them? Ford says something about applying fused voltage and listening for audible click.
Great video but I purchased my 16 5.0 F150 at 2 yrs old with 16,000 miles and religiously changed oil every 5,000. Had to have phasers replaced at 58,000, thank goodness still under 5/60 warranty.
Thank you! Glad to hear it was under warranty.
Wow very impressed. I just joined or I guess I should say subscribe to your Channel....... I watch a lot of Automotive videos on CZcams and you are right up there with the best of the best in terms of your delivery, as well as loud enough speaking pattern.
Thank you!!
Great share, thanks. I hear about problems with both 5.4L Ford Triton engines AND the 3.5L Eco Boost. I am buying a used Expedition and trying to figure out if it is wiser to get a newer used Expedition with the 3.5L with direct and ported injection versus the 5.4L.
I used to have a beautiful mint condition 2013 f150 limited with the 3.5 at 130000 kms (not miles) it developed a sickening rattle at start up if i didn't drive it for a while. If i drove it every day it wouldn't do it. I RELIGIOUSLY changed my oil with synthetic every 5000 km's. When I think about the thousands it would have cost me to do this job, turbos and manifolds..... no brainer dump the piece of crap! Now my truck is a 1991 gmc 2500. Never been happier.
Great video! I appreciate the details you add to your explanation.
One thing worth noting is that Ford's related bulletin (SSM 48423) calls for mechanics to only replace the VCT solenoid, and that's only after forcing the solenoid to cycle 10 or so times manually to try and "clear the blockage". In my opinion if you're having issues with solenoid sticking you're not going to fix it on any long term basis by repeatedly cycling the plunger. You might get it to go but soon enough you'll be back at it.
The bulletin doesn't mention the phasers at all. I'm looking at a 2019 F-150 where the dealer is replacing the solenoid after getting a P0022 error code.
Should I be asking them replace the phaser at the same time before I buy??
Thanks! I would. A lot of people like to replace the solenoid first and sometimes that is all it needs. I look at it from a comeback standpoint. I like to make sure that I don’t have repeat repairs so I try to always replace everything as a set. That’s just how I’ve always done them.
Very informative. The only thing that i would disagree with is the oil changing. I have religiously changed my oil between 4-5k miles and still have got the issue and everytime was at a Ford service center with oem parts and oil and it started with me at 95000 miles
great video. Just did water pump job all new parts but when start up has a slow clunking noise out of right head or center of engine. Sounds like a blend door actuator but inside of engine. No Codes runs smooth. Phasers and solenoinds check out ok.
Wasn’t there before replacing water pump?
@@FlyingWrenches13 No it was just leaking out of weep hole.
czcams.com/video/NhqklV0CVBo/video.html I think that is link to video of the noise
Follow up on question I asked you. The cloyles timing chain had a extra link next to the purple link causing chain to jump on water pump.
I bought my first F-150 recently. I’m starting to regret it. Should have bought a Ram. I owned two...never had a single issue. Thanks.
Well maybe the f150 will last for you. They all seem to have there issues.
Here’s a fun one 11 mustang came in for a engine (rod knock full of metal) they mentioned they had a p0014 before it went. New engine test drove same code runs fine only sets once you get to about 4-5k rpm when it sets and it don’t do it all the time.
Great video. Have a 2018 5.0 f150. As it warms up the noise gets louder, sounds more like a knock. It is loudest standing by the right side wheel well. Dealer said it sounds normal. Sounds like crap to me. 1st oil change at 3000, even oil change after has been at 5000 or less. It has never thrown a code, seems to run fine. Truck has 40000 miles. Wish I had never bought this POS.
Hi, Phill here, just had my 3.5 fixed and doing good. Was wondering how this could have happened, I have a 2019 F150 w/43,000 miles, bought used at 20,000. I have taken good care of this engine during my regime and cant figure why I would have had this problem. Anyway, thanks fo the tip on not letting it happen again. Should I use synthetic oil? Thanks for your video, you do a great job and have subscribed. Keep us informed, thanks.
No need to run synthetic, synthetic blend does just fine and is way cheaper. I’m assuming you had the cold start rattle on yours, this is a real common issue with the 17+ trucks. I have some other videos about this problem if you want to check them out. Might give you some more info.
Very informative video, thank you! I have a 2017 3.5 ecoboost on which I am seeing this issue. Since I bought it used, turns out it has been once replaces before too(found from dealer). Now just waiting for a quote from the dealer and they have so far been pretty slow at that…which I don’t get why.
I was curious if it is going to cause and serious damage if i keep driving it while I am waiting for the service to be done?
Thank you!! The rattle won’t cause any long term effects or damage. Just going to keep rattling.
What is your opinion of the newest 2.7L motors ? what are the trending problems that you are seeing ? For 2020 would you go 2.7 , 3.5, or 5.0 for moderate towing of 5,000 lbs and everyday driving. I really like when things are explained and I can see the process, well done. I'm a airline mechanic and I am always looking for the cause of why something failed.
Awesome. I actually do a lot of GA flying so naturally I end up working on all the wore out cessnas around lol if you were gonna get a 2020, I wouldn’t rule out the 5.0. They seem to be doing really well with the new direct and port injection. That said, My opinion on the 2.7 is they are really under rated. Crazy amounts of power in them and they pull there own in the towing game.
Well done, just affirms all new vehicles from most companies are scrap iron
By 100,000 you'll need to have 10% of the price of the vehicle saved for repairs, or three cents per mile.
Just how many years of production does it take to correct the problem.
I found the the 5.0 it is usually the intake vct solenoids causing the issue, I have had them stall on me at stop lights. The 3.5l it is usually the phasers, especially if they have the horrible cold start rattle.
Yeah your right the 5.0 sometime is the solenoid. I just always try to sell it as a package deal though. Most of the time if the solenoid is sticking it has debris in it, so does everything else.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I agree but 90% of my work is warranty 😔
I feel for ya man.
Here’s an interesting one. Have you ever seen one go where it knocks pretty loud. My 11 mustang developed a nice top end knock on the passenger bank. Clearly not in the bottoms end. I’m currently doing a timing set on this engine and I suspect a keeper on the inner gear let go and allows it to slam from rotational force.
Man to be honest the only knock sound I’ve seen on the mustangs is rod bearings. I had one a while back that I swore was a lifter or a rocker arm noise and ended up being a spun rod bearing. Love your name by the way.
@@FlyingWrenches13 thanks. This ones weird. I found a guy who recently had the same issue on one of the coyote pages. It’s definitely more of a slap/knock at the passenger exhaust phaser. I’ll find out in a day or two. The lash adjusters look fine, and too loud for that considering how small they are. Sound is barely audible at the pan. I look forward to tearing into the phaser
Hope you find it. Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
Just got my first vct job and it took me a little while, do you have video on cab removal with “tips and tricks”
Thanks great info on your videos
Thanks man! I don’t yet but I plan on doing a full r&r cab video in the near future.
I have a 2018 f150 5l 81,000 km. Runs perfect, i change oil every 5k with synthetic 5w30, it used to much oil with 5w20 oil.
2016 5.0 F-150 here.
I had a p0022 code pop on my truck. It would stall from the time to time at idle but no knocking.
Replaced both VCT Solenoids on bank 2 and intake & exhaust camshaft position sensor.
Truck is running better but now I’m getting a p0390 & p0394 code.
Any advice?
P.s.
Keep up the work. Solid videos
Great video, I’m dealing with this at the moment. Quick question, my truck a 2016 with the 5.0L is at the dealership now getting fixed, but once it’s fixed, would putting a cold air intake on it have any negative effect towards the variable valve system in any such way? I wouldn’t think but because you mention something about intake in the video, I thought I would ask, thank you and again, great video 👍👍
Had the update done in February. Then about April starting getting rattle after 12 to 8 hours of set time. August started to get rattle almost every start. Now waiting on dealer to receive ordered part for warranty work to be done. Cam phasers. 46000 miles an yes changed oil no more than 5000 miles. 2019 3.5 ecoboost.
What if it's also throwing misfire codes, why would it be throwing misfire codes?
I have a 2019 Expedition. Never had the check engine light come on, but I had a slight rattle. I brought it in to Ford and they replaced the VCT solenoids under warranty.
Solenoids? They should have replaced the phasers. That’s what causes those to rattle.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I'm not sure why, but it fixed the issue (for now).
If it works it works lol don’t go to messing with it.
Hey. Great info. Thanks. Just a note. I purchased my 2019 5.0 from enterprise rentals with 25k miles. I have done full synthetic oil changes every 5k and I just hit 66k miles and started getting the P0022 code. Also, maybe or maybe not relevant, I had the burning oil thing which required a replacement dipstick and PCM reset. It has started burning oil again last oil change. The code goes in and out randomly
Been having the same problem with my 5.0. They replaced the dipstick and updated the PCM multiple times, solenoids have been replaced and still had the issue. Finally, they are changing the phasers this upcoming Tuesday. Hoping that resolves this issue. It’s been an on and off problem for over a year now. Currently at 65k miles and change my oil every 3,500-4,500 miles.
@@OmniscientEmina Have the phasers solved your issue? I'm in the same boat over here with my 5.0
@@chrisokeefe6301 Unfortunately, it did not resolve the issue. The mechanics/techs and service advisors at the dealership are perplexed. The engineers from corporate have also been involved in this since last summer. I also noticed this issue happens to be worse during warmer weather.
@@chrisokeefe6301 Their next step would be to replace the fuel pump and see if it resolves the problem. 🤷🏻♀️
@@OmniscientEmina What a nightmare. Look into replacing the fuel pump relay module first. Super easy fix and costs about $50 if you do it yourself. Worth a shot before swapping the pump. unless they're covering the cost. It didn't work for me but I read others had success with it.
thanks for the video but what if the truck is making noise but no code and ford says its ok? i appreciate your help. great video.
I would call and raise hell with ford. Seems to be the only way to get them to do anything sometimes.
I change my oil every 5,000. Miles in 2017 eco boost and it still got the rattle at 40,000. Miles. I took it to the dealer and they said Ford is coming out with a TSB it soon so they said just go ahead and drive it till then about 3 months later got it done. My dealer when I where I bought the truck gives you a Lifetime Warranty on the drive train if you have them change the oil every 5,000. Miles thank goodness! My 2012 eco got Timing chain rattle at 80,000. Only after sitting overnight on start up so I traded it in!
Yeah that’s a real common issue on the 3.5. They actually just came out with a recall to update software because of the rattle.
Thanks for this video, great job of explaining the problem. I've got a 2018 F150 with about 40K on it and just got a letter about CSP 21B10, 21N03 and, 21N08 from Ford last week. The letter says I have until Feb 28, 2022 to get the PCM update. I haven't had the rattle noise yet, but I've been having the oil changed at Opelika Ford about every 5K. Would like to know what you think about adding an oil separator.
Thank you! Catch cans work awesome on these engines! I think they are very helpful on any turbo engine. I actually have a video that should be coming out in the next couple weeks after editing about the recalls. Maybe it will clarify some of the info about the recalls.
Great vid. A lot of good info. Have you ran into any deceleration rattles in the 18-20 f150s? My ‘19 f150 5.0 had some oil consumption issues, brought in for the TSB and switched out the pcv to diff design. No oil loss checking every 1000 miles for the past 5000. Still have that darn deceleration rattle that my dealer could not reproduce. Happens on cold soak, put in drive and accelerate then let off completely and rattle rattle rattle.
I haven’t seen thaton any yet. I know those 18 plus 5.0s are terrible about making all kind of noises that Ford calls “normal”.
2018 5.0 here in Canada with the same noise. It's been into the shop 3 times and no resolution from the dealer, aside from the TSB, Sitting at 70k. All I can hope for is a massive recall or the engine blows before the 100k warranty.
Check cross over pipe for missing heat shield clamp, re clamp with 2,75 water hose clamp! Don't remove cover! Right behind trans.
Intake manifold runners make noise! New manifold fixes noise 5.0L
@@FlyingWrenches13 is it really normal with the 5.0? I've got one I just put every timing component on. Haven't changed anything. Do you know what the ticking noise is? It has 50,000 miles on it.
And that’s why I have a Toyota Tundra 4x4!
I pull out of Taco Bell and I get the code. I call Jimbo up and tell him he can have some tacos if he will help me diagnose my truck. I’m keeping the burrito supreme and the nachos for myself because I am hungry.
Lol
Great video do you have a video on how to do the whole job?
I don’t. I’d like to make one but the truth is it would be such a long video im not sure if anyone would watch it. I’m going to try to do one showing how to time the 3.5 & 5.0 on the next one I tear apart.
1 - You are my hero. I need to figure out which dealership you're at so I can thank you.
2 - With regard to avoiding the issue by getting consistent il changes, I got the extended maintenance plan when I got my new '16 F150 5.0. Got the oil changed every 5-7.5K miles - except for once when I waited 10K - and I still had symptoms at 60-75K. It was rough idling at stop lights intermittently and started doing it every time around and shutting off around 80k.
Need to get you a PTT sticker up on that box!!!
Send me one!
Removing the cab makes sense it's the same debate I have with doing valve stem seals on the new V8 bmw's. You can do it in the car but dropping the engine out makes it so much easier. Just sad that VCT technology has been out so long that this is still a common issue for the 3.5 ford's. I agree tho change the oil every 5k no matter what the engine is. All of us techs are inside these engines and the one common across any brand is engines changed every 5k look better and have less issues then the ones that go 10-15k.
Couldn’t agree more! Do you work for BMW?
@@FlyingWrenches13 I've worked for almost every high end German brand. I did 7yrs with VW got master certified then went to an independent for 4 yrs and worked on everything from ford's to all exotics then moved to VA and worked for bmw for 1.5yrs and got level 2 certified. Then I went and worked for Lamborghini/McLaren for 2 yrs and I'm master certified in both of those brands. I now work for a super private independent shop doin very high end modifications on high end vehicles. We are a Brabus dealer, Novatech dealer, Mansory dealer, and a big Vossen dealer. So we do a lot of cool stuff. I'm salary now so no more hustling flat rate every day. Love what I do now! I also get to meat a lot of cool people like athletes and people like Tiesto. We do a lot of raptor builds for clients and I see this issue a lot that's what brought me to this video. Just had a clients 2017 raptor at ford to get the rattling adjusters fixed and they just updated the pcm. The rattling is still there but not as bad.
That’s cool man! I generally try to stay away from the exotics but every now and then I’ll get sucked into working on a bmw or Mercedes. Flat rate hustle is all I know. I’ve never even worked a job that paid me by the hour. I like it for the most part but there are those weeks that a salary would be nice!