Netherlands vs Argentina Ref & VAR Decisions | Explained
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- This video addresses some of the important incidents from the Netherlands vs Argentina game in the Qatar 2022 World Cup Quarter Final, including Paredes' incident with the bench, Van Dijk's push, Messi's handball and Acuna's penalty.
As always, if you're looking for a clear explanation with references to the Laws of the Game, I've got you covered.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:06 Dumfries Foul On Acuna?
0:37 Paredes & Van Dijk Red Cards?
1:49 Messi Handball Yellow Card?
2:07 Thoughts & Questions
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Este video aborda algunos de los incidentes importantes del juego Holanda vs Argentina en los cuartos de final de la Copa del Mundo Qatar 2022, incluido el incidente de Paredes con el banquillo, el empujón de Van Dijk, la mano de Messi y el penal de Acuna.
Deze video behandelt enkele van de belangrijke incidenten uit de wedstrijd tussen Nederland en Argentinië in de kwartfinale van het WK 2022 in Qatar, waaronder het incident van Paredes met de bank, de push van Van Dijk, de handbal van Messi en de penalty van Acuna. - Sport
Did the referee get these calls correct? Anything else missed by the match officials in this game?
Ya .aybe
Couple of mistakes by the ref: Timber during ET, who was already booked, did 3 consecutive strong fouls in less than a couple of minutes and the ref never shown him the second yellow. He should have been sent off. Then Weghorst strong foul on Messi just after his goal could have been the second yellow also (he was booked on the bench in the first half). And finally x why the 10 minutes of aggregate? There was no VAR intervention involved in the game, there were no injuries. The Paredes-Van Djik incident lasted 90 seconds in total and the penalty decision was fast and not contested. The ref should have given 8 minutes top or 9 minutes. The Netherlands equalizer came at minute 101. I can understand why Messi was so angry towards the referee.
The penalty on Gakpo that VAR ignored. What's your excuse?
@@dr.rickbootynever a penalty
@@randomfootballfan2220 I want to hear it from OP, not you.
The ref was horrible, he gave yellow cards like candies but was really conservative with red cards and the extra time was a little too much. In Argentina we dislike him and in the Netherlands too.
He had a poor game Señor Lahoz
@@PaulSpacey this is why argentins won the world because of the either shit referee or pay referee
@@eugenpopa1259😂🤣🤣. If theres one a team stronger than argentina in world cup, they wouldve led the game, or win penalties. But all teams are dominated almost the whole match including the shootout
@@eugenpopa1259with what money? i wish
Referees shouldn't be consistent between games. They need to be consistent within each game individually.
The ref was so bad, paredes fouls aka and then kicked the ball into the Netherlands bench. But how the hell did he not get a red card?!?! That's beyond on me💀💀
it's literally explained on the video
It explained that he should've gotten 2 yellow cards@@Blehstor
Nope.@@thomzijlstra2821
he should've gotten a red card on the spot
@@ruine77this World Cup was defiantly rigged, lmao. “Ecudarion players getting bribed by Qatar to lose 1-0 against Qatar, the opener game.
I do agree the ref made a decent call on the handball from a neutral standpoint (in any normal match I would agree), but with how Lahoz was delivering yellow's left and right, this was the worst decision he could have made. He wasn't consistent with cards, nor did Messi really get a warning after this. The rules show although this doesn't have to be yellow, it still should be adressed accordingly, and lahoz didn't do that. I wished to see more moments in this game, because it was an absolute mess of a game and I wondered where the true fault lied in the game. (I am dutch btw). Glad to see you agree Paredes should have had red (two time yellow) and van dijk should have had a warning.
Lahoz had a poor game and lost control. I agree he should have warned Messi because although a yellow wasn’t warranted, it could still have been given for unsporting behavior. The Dutch were on the wrong end of some poor decisions and it ruined the spectacle of the game. Lahoz has this issue with so many of his games; cards and chaos. You have to wonder if it’s his attitude and approach that causes it.
A ball is high in the air, a player raises their hand intentionally to obstruct it, if its not a straight red, why shouldn't be a yellow?
@@kayodeakano9758it's at the half way line lmao.
netherlands weren't attacking either. it is never a red
@@onizuka4869 may be not a ref but an intentional handball that interrupts the play of the other team deserves a card
@@onizuka4869doesn’t matter, lmao, intentional handball, should have also gotten a yellow for tauning van gaal and the Netherland bench😂.
This ref was more than enough proof that the game, I'd even say the entire tournament, was rigged in Argentina's favor.
That’s a stretch 👀
@@PaulSpacey This is only the tip of the iceberg called "things that were scaled in favor of Argentina". Can you not see why they were made to win?
True mate we witnessed all how rigged this fucking qatar oil slavery tournament was
Nah it was just terrible referring by both teams I doubt it lahoz wanted Messi to win Argentina were just fair champions for me but I think paredes just hit the ball to the bench not like he hit any one so I think the yellow is good and for me Van dijk with full intent pushed paredes and should of got a red but my opinion
Netherlands got 10 min of extra time for tie and the referee gave a free kick very close to Argentina's net in minute 10:35!!!!!!
How is that rigged??
And he literally gave yellow card for 10 Argentina players.
I wonder how the match would have ended if they gave a red card for the deliberate kick into the Dutch seats. For Messi to say they suffered afterwards was a bit of a stretch. The PKs was exceptionally weak. I do wish VAR could intervene and help with these soft penalties. Another good video. Thanks for your analysis.
Thanks Dave; appreciate the balanced insight. Game could have been different with the dismissal of Paredes. VAR check all penalties, goals and major incidents as far as I know, but only overrule if it’s a clear error.
Well if Paredes was sent off, it is still 50 50, either Argentina win or Netherlands. Remember that Argentina were already winning prior to that event, so they could go all defensive and match would end 2:1
I mean the defender clearly does step on the foot in the box so it is a foul
I think if Paredes was sent off, Argentina would have played more defensively to defend the advantage
Paredes only lashed out because Messi was fouled badly seconds before. Netherlands also got a free free-kick after fouling Argentina, which led to a goal, when it was Argentina that should have been given that free kick. How is that not stealing? speakign of stealing. They stole a corner kick, after having kicked out hte ball. And not to mention how they got way too much of extra time.
Handball- Yellow Card
Yellow card offenses: Continuous breaking of a rule, delay of game, any foul deemed to be excessive, slide tackles, foul language, dissent towards the referee, verbal abuse towards other players, taunting, taking away an obvious goal scoring opportunity. One of them-taunting, and another that Messi commited was a handball which is a yellow as confirmed with a quick google search is a yellow card.
And did those google search also pointed out permutations within the laws of the game on handball incidents?
Not every deliberate handball is an instant yellow card offense
You know football rules better than ref, its his decision not yours.
It was not yellow card on the middle of the line and all the argentina players were on their own half. Learn the game
not all slide tackles are even fouls.
@@Demonclassdecision, lmao, the same refeere that denied a penalty for Netherlands and didn’t check var? But not with Argentina that wasn’t even a 1v1 or goal scoring oppturnity?
@@josefoof1175doesn’t matter whether it’s a 1v1 or not 😂 a foul in the box is a foul in the box, that just proves how you don’t know any rules
Before two days for Greek super league, AEK ATHENS VS PAO we have exactly the same hand game from Amrabat. Everyone in Greece believes that the player must take a second yellow card. But they didn’t.
What about 3:30, Enzo Fernandez running into Gakpo? He's looking at him the whole time and hits him with evident deliberation. I think him getting away with that uncautioned set the tone for the match.
The ref lost control in this game by failing to give necessary cautions and then going wild by unnecessarily handing out cautions for minor fouls.
@@PaulSpacey The referee didn't lose control, he is clearly distributing yellow cards because they have no impact after quarterfinals because they are being reset. But the red card ban still exist after quarterfinals, that's why he avoided to make Fifa lose a tremendous amount of money by not sending Messi off.
Again, completely false assessment. Ref had a poor game.
@@draguernel1457 Imagine slide tackle and you hit the ball first clearly, but you got a a yellow,shit decision from the ref,right?
This is just only one of this ref's shit decision, he also did so many other rubbish decision during the game
@@PaulSpacey That's your opinion only, but the truth is in front of you, he gave no red card, and Argentina deserved at least 2 clear ones (Paredes and Messi). That's the reality 😉.
To add your point on the handball, there's an example in 2018/19 UCL final (L'Pool vs Spurs) where Sissoko deliberately handled the ball (he made his arm position unnatural on purpose) and he wasn't yellow carded as well, despite it's actually in a penalty box, so it's more of a promising attack. Neymar also handled the ball to score deliberately in 14/15 UCL Final.
That first foul by Dumfries was a definite foul though, i dunno why people are so egged about it. Lots of similar or even softer fouls are given. Acuna did go down too easily, but there is movement and contact to impede Acuna.
Yes good points about those additional incidents. The handball law has evolved and guidance has changed; it is confusing to stay up to date. For sure Acuna went down easily but as you say, contact was enough.
People are going very far to defend Messi. You are defending a team that played dirty since minute 1. You are defending a "football game" where any player can intentionally smash the ball with his hand if he doesn't like the action. That's a yellow card, a clear offense to allow the defense to get in place, and Messi still went after that to play the ball. Stop finding excuses. Same excuse for the guy who shot a ball at close range on the Netherlands bench to harm, provoke and lose time. In Messi's situation, if Messi gets a red card (deserved red card after 2 clear yellows), the Fifa will lose a big amount of money because he will not play semifinals or even maybe final, and that's if Argentina qualified. So stop acting and behaving like you don't understand that the referee tried his best to not book Argentinian players for a Red, especially Messi.
@@draguernel1457 The laws are literally there. It was not just Messi that did this and wasn't yellowed. I already give the example of Sissoko and Neymar. You can be emotional all you want, still doesn't change the law of the game. Throw your salt somewhere else.
@@yoshuareynaldo2295 You gave two examples while there are thousands, and the majority going against you. Are you saying that a football player can smash the ball with his hand if he doesn't like an action? 🤡
@@draguernel1457
Yeah right, thousands. 😂😂 Talk is cheap. As if a random internet person compiled even ten examples of handballs and analyzing it. I'll take your statement with a grain of salt.
The ones you watch and got yellowed probably were done by a defending player, thus it may have the criteria of 'breaking an promising attack' or 'DOGSO', which rightly been carded. Messi's handball was in centre of the pitch.
And yes, it is not right for Messi to did it, if he did it again, he would be yellowed as repeated foul could be carded. So this is not something that could be 'abused'.
But i agree with you to be fair, Paredes should have been sent off with a direct red (or at very least a yellow). The ref was wrong in this one. And i do agree that Argentina was and is indeed, favored, however this decision was not.
Lahoz lost control of the game early on much like Ivanov at the World Cup 2006 game between Portugal and the Netherlands.
The 2002 Rivaldo incident was even worse because it happened right in front of the assistant referee and Hakan Unsal was still sent off.
agree, the last image was the best, thanks
Will you make a vid on Argentina vs Croatia? People's been insufferable about the first penalty.
I’m not doing a video on that game for now but the penalty was correct. Goalkeeper didn’t get the ball and collided with Alvarez who got the ball first. Keeper impeded him with contact so it’s a clear foul which would be awarded by 95% of referees.
Thank you for this!
My pleasure!
Amazing video thank you soo much i have a question though minute 76:04 why wasnt netherlands awarded a penalty or was it because both the argentinian and netherland player tripped each other
I thought it should have been a penalty. Definitely some doubt based on how they come together but I would lean towards a penalty in those circumstances. Thanks!
@@PaulSpaceyyes you might be right it reminded me of the penalty given between Portugal and Ghana when ronaldo was awarded a penalty because it was a soft foul and both hit their foot into each other. Anyways thank you soo much for your reply!!!
Question. Are Martinez antics of throwing the ball away and stalling for time on penalty shootouts worthy of a booking??
Yes and he was booked for it I believe. It’s gamesmanship but he went a bit too far IMO when he threw the ball away.
Great videos, Just curious to know, Do you have any experience in refereeing or like do you like just know alot about the Rules from doing your own research
Thanks, I appreciate the comment. I played for 15 years then became a ref and coach. Hard to keep up with the laws and changes so I’m always learning!
great video man, I appreciate that youre making these
Thanks Manuel!
That's a deliberate handball and worthy of a yellow card. He halted play
Deliberate handball isn’t an automatic yellow. But you can argue for unsporting behavior, subjectively.
@@PaulSpaceyIn rule 12 of IFAB, IFAB states it’s a caution if the player is making their body unnaturally bigger by extending their arms which is what Messi is doing, Messi also changed the ball’s trajectory which is also a guaranteed caution. This handball is clearly a yellow card.
@@Kaiikatsukikeep crying
@@reverseratiomaster2463lol, messi is a joke😂
@@josefoof1175 yep, it's ridiculously funny how good he is
Could you explain why Argentina got penalties against Poland and Saudi Arabia? They didn't help in the end, but they are very questionable to me
Yes I did a video showing all VAR decisions and those two were included in that. Both were legitimate penalties IMO
They were legitimate penalties
@@reverseranger no they weren't expcially vs poland
@@Hossain697they were clear pk. Poland gk didn’t even get the ball. Punched Messi in the face instead of getting the ball.
@@IroonieLAlol, it was outside area, lmao and he barely hit him. Can you also explain to me why they got 15 mins added against Saudi??😂
there were some other situations where I thought some argentinian players were challenging the ball in a completely legal way, and yet they got a yellow card. Is there going to be a part 2?
I won’t do a part 2 for this game. The referee lost some control and gave out a crazy number of cards. Señor Lahoz had a poor game
People are going very far to defend Messi. You are defending a team that played dirty since minute 1. You are defending a "football game" where any player can intentionally smash the ball with his hand if he doesn't like the action. That's a yellow card, a clear offense to allow the defense to get in place, and Messi still went after that to play the ball. Stop finding excuses. Same excuse for the guy who shot a ball at close range on the Netherlands bench to harm, provoke and lose time. In Messi's situation, if Messi gets a red card (deserved red card after 2 clear yellows), the Fifa will lose a big amount of money because he will not play semifinals or even maybe final, and that's if Argentina qualified. So stop acting and behaving like you don't understand that the referee tried his best to not book Argentinian players for a Red, especially Messi.
And yellows cards are being reset after quarters, so all Yellow cards had no effect on Argentina and allowed Messi to play until Final, The referee knew it and that's why he didtributed yellows but no red.
Your bias is warping your perspective on this unfortunately 👀
@@draguernel1457 And you're copy-pasting a bunch of garbage that ignores the video replay of an incident that didn't even need a replay to put you in your place.
It's an old one, but I've always wondered about Higuain vs. Neuer in the 2014 WC final. Think you could do a quick explanation on that?
I think its similar to Livakovic and Julian, in both scenarios the goalkeeper crashed into the player to stop them from going further to score, difference is, Neuer cleared the ball, punching it away, and then crashed into higuain, whereas Livakovic never touched the ball in that situation, hence a foul.
Agree with this description of the differences 👍
I see what you mean, but I think Neuer's knee to the face of Higuain should be considered too, no? Coulda been serious.
According to Fifa rules you are not allowed to risk your opponent getting a serious injury, no matter if a movement is usually allowed. If you risk your opponents health you get immediately the red card.
@@jdfshijhawkb End of the day it wasn't a serious injury, so I don't think any action can be considered. Sure, a yellow card, but it is not a foul.
Surely the rules are to be enforced for injury prevention, not only after a serious injury has occurred. Like sliding with the studs up, or high foot - most often they are called without serious injury happening.
But alas, Neuer never made it out of the group stage again. A sacrifice Higauin was willing to make.
Why are so many people saying messi handball should never be a yellow, the bias is obvious!
handballing on purpose to prevent the other team gaining possion of the ball is punishable with a yellow card under unsporting behaviour.
Not necessarily. A yellow is only mandatory if it stops a promising attack, which Messi didn’t. A yellow for UB is at the discretion of the referee.
@@PaulSpacey
Not necessarily.? Purposefully making a handball to prevent the opponent from getting the bal is not unsportive to you?
In other words, every time a player doesnt like something, they can just play volleyball and get away with it every time, as long as its not a promising attack.
Stop the Messi bias dude, it was unsporting behaviour, it was a clear yellow for anyone not looking away because it's messi, the ''discretion'' in that rule allows for bias.
@@PaulSpacey I know it's at their discretion but a ref not giving one for a blatant action like that, and half the world parroting the ''promising attack rule'' ignoring the unsportive behaviour, shows you just how much Messi can get away with(and his team as well) because it is Messi.
Lahoz was terrible all across the pitch, but very much so more terrible in Argentina's favour. The penalty on 1-0 was a dive for example, and it shouldnt even have counted, another argentina player already walked into the box before Messi shot the ball, that's an illegal pen.
I can go on and on and on.
Of course, it depends on your perspective and inherent bias. You are coming from a Dutch perspective right? An Argentine perspective will be completely different. This is why we have so many disagreements in the game; we are all watching something different.
I explain it in this video: czcams.com/video/150dfLhVT9o/video.html
I’m English; I have zero Messi bias. I’m explaining this to you from the perspective of someone who is/was a referee and also a player at a good level of the game. Unsporting behavior is a subjective issue determined by the match official based on the moment. The referee could have yellow carded Messi and nobody would have argued against it. But by not giving him a card, he didn’t contravene any of the LOTG or guidance.
Sorry for asking this late but while messi is taking the penalty molina was already in the box which is against the rule so it should have been a penalty retake right? Your thoughts on this?
Usually referees will only demand a retake if the player entering the box is very clearly well inside and potentially impacts the keeper and/or the play after the penalty is taken. It’s always a common sense call from the ref based on the situation.
Bro did that have anything to do with the pen? Messi took the penalty so Molina entering the box doesn't make any sense here. It isn't even that Messi passed to Molina. Molina didn't understand he was in the box
@@zariflasker8006 I just asked your opinions
@@PaulSpaceythanks for the opinion
Not giving atleast yellow for torpedo-ing the ball into the dutch dug out, is already disgraceful. Als not giving Messi a yellow card for such an OBVIOUS hands-ball, kinda indicates this match was fixed: Argentina, and Messi were to have that World Title..
Fixed 🤦♂️
Messi got Yello card but pardes was wrong but vandijk should get a Yellow card
Yes offcourse maybe both parades and van dijk should receive red card
@@dhruvkhatana5060no only parades
@@dhruvkhatana5060for attempted murder 💀
Messi should have gotten 3 yellow cards and Paredes red. The penalty was a weak penalty but it was a penalty. There was contact. There was also a penalty for the Netherlands that the referee nor VAR checked which there was contact too.
Pretty fair assessment.
3 yellow cards a bit of a stretch mate
The Netherlands also got denied a pen when was that never seen the Dutch got denied a pen
@@christophervalladares9055they got in the 87th minute, gakpo was about have a 1v1, but got pushed from behind, no review of var.😂
@@josefoof1175Because it wasn't even so arguable
No hate for Argentina and Messi. I think the victory was illegitimate, no bookings for several fouls including handballs, false penalty which resulted in a false goal, and paredes should’ve been sent off
Every game has decisions that could be considered unfair or incorrect. Argentina navigated the tournament and deservedly won IMO. And it’s hard for an English guy to say that 😅
@@PaulSpacey Messi didn’t get booked for a handball and arguing with the referee
Again, you can pick out incidents Iike that from most games. Let’s say hypothetically the referee has some subconscious bias that means he doesn’t book Messi; that’s not Messi or Argentina’s fault and it doesn’t detract from them deservedly winning the WC.
@@PaulSpacey but I do agree that they deserved it
@@a7md_102 penal falso? Toca el pie de apoyo y lo tira en el área...hay varias tomas de esa jugada donde se ve con claridad la falta.
Refs clearly have their biases
They do. We all have inherent biases that are subconscious. Nobody is 100% impartial
@@PaulSpaceybro, how much did the refeere get paid, a genuine question 🎉
@@josefoof11750 coz they didn't😂
Thanks! Could you do the game Vs Croatia
I think that might be the only game I’m missing now; I’ll look into doing it
Paredes should have got a yellow for the Aké challenge and another yellow for kicking the ball into the bench
That’s a potential outcome yes, determined by the referee’s judgement of the situation. I’ve watched the Ake challenge a few times now and it’s not as bad as I first thought.
You did not talk about the Argentinians behavior after the match??
Caniggia was rewarded a red card in 2002 while he was on the bench, only for a bad comment to the referee, why do we see this behavior from the Argentinians without any questioning from the FIFA in 2022?
It seems clear that referees were encouraged to do everything they can to keep everyone on the field and avoid red cards. Keeping players on the field to make the game a true spectacle makes sense but bad behavior should be punished appropriately, before or after the final whistle.
@@PaulSpacey do their best to avoid red cards? Why do we have red cards then?
Being fair is the priority of any game, not giving red cards to the Argentinian players is a very unfair game, unfortunately this behavior from FIFA was very obvious through the whole tournament.
@@salemsalem-jb1bg When you officiate World Cup games, give them a few reds.
Because both benches were acting up and deserved cards for their behaviors. Just look at the Paredes/Van Dijk melee: Paredes tackled the ball away and in the process cleared out Ake. The Dutch bench saw the ball contact from up close and still rushed the field screaming. Paredes reciprocated their childishness and everything blew up.
and what was exactly the "behavior" of the Argentinians after the match? The Otamendi gesture imitating Messi? Give me a break, And after that, all players from both sides went after each other for a while, but nothing serious happened. It was a heated match, with a lot of errors from the referee (on both sides) and both teams recurring to shithousery at the end. Nothing more.
I've seen much less given as a red for unsportsmanlike behavior than what Paredes did. I'm not saying it was rigged for Argentina 100% but veryyyy suspicious.
Not sure it’s rigged if the ref just gets it wrong. He had a poor game.
So what if you've seen red cards for much less?
I'm sure you've also seen red cards not given for much worse, so I don't quite see your point
Can you mention the free kick which the Netherlands used to equalize? I believe the attackers were set up too close to the wall. The laws of the game say all attackers must be at least 1m away from the wall. De Jong seems to be certainly closer than 1m away. The play would therefore not be legal.
Again it’s a ‘trifling’ issue for the referee if De Jong does not directly interfere with or impact the wall or the play. Just like the players on the field when Messi scores vs France. No impact on the play so discretion and common sense overrules the written laws.
@@PaulSpacey common bro. there were some penalties also which Argentina got when GK tried to stop ball but refree gave them foul, it was unintentional also but got penalty
Every other deduction made here is right for me
Could you explain why the Netherlands did not get a penalty for the Fouls on Aké (push during free kick with both hands necessary to prevent goal). And more clearly Gakpo being pushed from behind when he was almost 1on1 with the goalkeeper? And why there weren't replays of this and only a 1 second var Check?
VAR would have checked both; they will only bring to the attention of the referee if they believe he has made a clear error. I don’t remember the Aké foul but the Gakpo one I watched yesterday; I think that one was a penalty because of the contact from behind and VAR should have recommended a full review IMO.
@@PaulSpacey That means Argentina's wining world cup was unfair
I guess if you look at it that way, you could say that but in football these decisions sometimes go for you and sometimes go against. We all kind of accept that by playing!
@@PaulSpacey Ok. So it is a part of game. But Argentina should be appreciated for that how they came back after losing against Saudi Arabia. And I think some decisions sometimes go for the team who becomes champion
Correct 😌
Sorry I know this is old now, but I'm hearing that the referee was already whistling at the players to give an argentine advantage before Messi'a handball, which is why he stopped the ball with his hand to address the change of possession. Is this true?
no, I'm certain that wasn't the case :-)
@@PaulSpacey So what do you think incited Messi to do that?
@@epicsam12345Yeah I think so too otherwise why would he just stop the ball like that?
The penalty: Clear contact is not worth a penalty by definition. Football is a contact sport. If you look closely, you'll see that Acuna feels contact, retracts his leg himself and makes it appear as if Dumfries kicked his leg underneath him. He makes two moves himself to get his leg away from under his body.
The handling of the ball may be open for interpretation. I am sure some refs would consider it unsporting behavior :).
Some penalties can be argued against. This is not one of them my friend 🤝
@@PaulSpaceyYep
What type of meat riding is this😂😂😂😂
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LOL u simply can't get over the fact. You have a video here and after watching this video, you feel jealousy so now saying things which can make you feel happy😂. Nice buddy
can you check on Argentina vs Croatia is it a penalty ?
Yes it’s a penalty based on circumstances with keeper colliding with Alvarez who gets to the ball first. Most refs would consider it a penalty but it’s not 100%.
Could you explain berghuis his yellow card?
Great video btw!
Thanks. Let me take a look at it
@@PaulSpacey did you find it?
No, do you know what minute it was or a tough time in the game?
@@PaulSpacey I believe it was like 88
@@PaulSpacey watched it back myself, it’s at 87;00 exactly, I understand the card now tho.
You not talking about the penalty itself? Have you seen Number 26 of Argentina was inside the penalty box before the penalty was performed?
Yes there were players from both teams inside the penalty area so technically the kick should have been retaken.
Referees must have forgotten these rules when it comes the opponent teams, they were very quick to punish Argentina’s opponent teams. If were other than messi, that handball would have surely costed yellow card. This single incident and the parades not getting clear second yellow card speak volumes about this rigged cup.
Argentina still deserved to win. Saying rigged cup is an easy way out. They had stuff go their way, sure.
what abt the ten minutes of added time? it's ok bruh keep lying to urself and cry. it isn't gonna change the reality.
LOL u guys point out small thins but when other teams get robbed like this, you seem to ignore it. Keep crying over a team's greatness
Wasn't there was a prior foul before Messi's hand, while the others were like half court away 🤔
Half court? 🏀
Some people point our that the penalty should have been retaken because the Argentine enter the goal line or penalty area before the ball was kicked by Messi. What are your thoughts?
It’s always a situation decided by the officials based on whether players from one or both teams have clearly entered the area before the kick is taken. Even when this happens, sometimes it is ignored. There are guidelines for this in the laws of the game but the match officials still ultimately decide based on each individual situation.
I disagree with Paredes receiving a red card. He kicked the bench; who is the victim? There was no victim.
The intent is sufficient. Some refs would have dismissed him, it’s not clear cut.
I thought messi handled the ball as he wanted the game stopped after a supposed foul by ake(?).
No he just reacted by handling it; no big deal and not a yellow based on the laws but I guess a ref could award a yellow for unsporting behavior and be justified.
The ref got fired after that match cuz messi should got red card dumbfries his foul wasn’t a foul but acunã just feld to the ground and there where 17 yellow cards where atleast should be 1 or 2 red cards in that game and i dont now for sure but i thinks Argentina buyed the ref win the game
Ref had a poor game for sure.
No, Qatar helped them
You should review Greek's superleague matches bro, trust me😂 The first referee here in Greece is Mark Clattenberg an English man
Clattenburg used to be good in England 😅
Refering on the pitch is a though job but I would expect more concistancy from FCE
Netherlands vs Argentina Ref & Var Decisions | Expained
"Little objection or demonstration from Netherlands players. Top professionels know when it's a foul, and their immediate reactions are usually telling."
Argentina vs France Ref & Var Decisions Part 1 | Expained
"Notice here how the French players all put their arms in unison. that's a great indication for the referee that they know it's a foul"
good point and I understand your perspective here but remember they are different things. No objection at all usually means agreement that there is nothing to object to. An objection where every player throws their arms up at the same time is often a sign they also know it's a foul. Watch player reactions in a genuine case of a foul not being committed; they angrily go to the referee and/or player to protest. Every situation is different; good refs will use player reactions as part of decision making when it is appropriate.
Can you explain Arg vs Croatia penalty decision?
Yes I did in a previous video; you mean the goalkeeper foul on Alvarez? It’s a penalty for sure; keeper doesn’t touch the ball and impedes Alvarez with contact.
@@PaulSpacey he ran towards the goalkeeper. Try running towards the goalposts and see if you fall.
@fighting force no lol keeper was moving towards the ball,doesn't get it and collides with alvarez he made contact while in motion which means its a pen
You cannot compare Paredes with the turkish player in 2002. The reason why Paredes didn't get sent off is that he didn't hit any other player. He kicked the ball towards the bench but it slammed an empty seat and didn't touch any dutch player. You should mention this. The turkish player in 2002 hit Rivaldo directly. That's a huge difference because if Paredes ball didn't touch anyone, there could be no concrete aggression and therefore there could be no second yellow. The ref got that one right.
Doesn’t have to hit anyone; the intent is enough and it hit a fan, so it did hit someone. Still a subjective decision and you can argue it either way 👍
@@PaulSpacey you have to prove intent, I agree. Not that easy. In my view I agree that Paredes should have been sent off. And Van Djik also should have been red carded because he came running and chested the Argentine player too violently. However I think the ref didn't red card Paredes because of the fact that he didn't make contact with anyone. Great channel by the way.
@@lucasfootball637 He didn't because dutch players dodged the ball.
The logic of not sending Paredes off for his actions is like not arresting someone for hurling stones into incoming traffic because they don't hit anyone... or shooting a gun into a crowd and not getting arrested because you didn't hit anyone.
@@JustCantGetRight exactly, the shoot from Paredes was clearly filled with hates. That's the perfect way to start a fight and lose the control of the match. For me, If you do not give a redcard at this moment, it means they will be an accident before you send off a player while your role is to keep them safe (from each others).
You forgot that someone entered the penalty area before messi scored the penalty
Was it a Dutch player?
@@PaulSpacey it was Molina however there were Dutch players in the box to
@@thm8792 Yes, but the Dutch players (dumfries) entered first
Is there a penalty for brazil ...in brazil vs Croatia handball by Croatia player ? ...
I don’t recall it, send me a link if you have one. Brazil dominated and should have won that game
@@PaulSpacey czcams.com/video/NU1gtK3piRo/video.html
Argentina took advantage of that handball because the Netherlands had had the ball and could have attacked immediately while the Argentinians were advancing. Now they had time to anticipate this and get everything right again. It was also spoiling the game and wasting time. So it definitely should have been a yellow card. Which would have meant that Messi would not have finished the match with 2 yellow cards. Argentina should have finished the match with 9 men. The penalty that Messi took in the match should also have been taken as an Argentinian player walked in far too early, which is not allowed according to the rules.
why was there 12 minutes of added time?
30 seconds minimum per sub.
A number of incidents with lengthy stoppages.
It’s always down to discretion of referee exactly how much time is added.
Dutch guy here, but trying to be objective. We weren't the better team let's clear that. Paredes should have been given easy red which could have gave some control over this game back to the referee. Imo I would have understood if van Dijk got a 2nd yellow for the chest bump and was also send off. According to the video maker it wasn't necessary according to the rules so perhaps that one was les convincing. Even if Netherlands would have been 11 vs 10 I still doubt if they would have made it, we had a bad world cup and were only able to capitalize when the pressure was high or vs easy teams.
The penalty was justified however I hate how football is sometimes more about performing for an oscar to get a penalty instead of football. Love to see people like Haaland play these days who just try to keep on going most of the time instead of being a hollywood actor.
Our WC we were genuinely good was WC 2010, freaking Spain dude ...
Very balanced and rational comment. Thank you for that.
Paredes could well have seen 🛑 and it is possible the game changes.
I think most football fans would agree that they want players to try and stay on their feet and not be theatrical. That said, if another player makes enough contact to bring you down and it’s advantageous for you to go down instead of staying up, that’s part of the game from a players’ perspective.
Can you explain how the challenge on gakpo around 70ish mins was not a penalty my explanation is that Molina touched him but it took gakpo a few seconds to fall down but wouldn't that count as tripping?
molina actually never touched gakpo，once he enter the box he raise his hand，it’s gakpo slow down his speed then made Molina hit him and he falling down
@@h81872 the video isn't clear enough sadly so we can't even tell
I saw it at the time and thought it was a close call but likely not a penalty. It’s all opinion though
Intercepting a ball like that with your hand is surely a yellow card regardless of other players’ positions? I have never seen a ref not give a yellow card in comparable circumstances.
It’s a fair point. The laws of the game do not mandate a yellow but in most circumstances one would probably be given.
'He didn't interfere with any attackin-' it's frigging Messi! The last defenders were Ake and Virgil I think what do you think would happen if Messi kept on with that play with just two defenders against him. That should've been a yellow whether he had teammates with him or not
If the ref gives a yellow for unsporting behavior, nobody would argue with it. The LOTG allow the ref to NOT give a yellow in this circumstance but of course it’s subjective in terms of interpretation.
Well, so far so good
It's already past us and nothing can be changed. We can only learn from this
No one talks about the potential second yellow card for Weghorst right after the first Dutch goal, he was given a yellow on the bench and was saved after a reckless foul on Messi right after their first goal. No one talks about that because it isnt Argentina who committed the foul
Because it came later in the game. Give Parades a red card and the whole thing would switch to Netherlands. Weghorst won't need to foul messi, he would be laughing at him. The fact that parades survived a red card.
You can not foul messi, or touch messi that would be immediately punished.. While messi can delibrately stop the play with the hand.. Thats how its works..
Romero handball 44:42?
Nothing explains Messi's lack of a yellow card
Explained in the video and plenty of comments. It’s a subjective decision, not an objective one where is yellow is mandatory.
This is match is not rigged the ref is just Bert vad he booked for both teams I think after the match he almost lost his job I don’t remember it was a big backlash
I like Argentina but discipline wise they did not have any. Expected better refereeing in a semis or final.
It’s part of their character and culture. They can be antagonistic and seem aggressive but it works for them and I respect it. At that level it’s about doing whatever is necessary to win and they did that.
Let us know about the red card that Dumfries received after the match was over
Tbf deserved and it was a second yellow i believe. Emi Martinez also got a Yellow card in the final for interfering during the PKs.
Thanks Harry, you cleared this one up for me!
@@harrykane_ yes I know, but the card which dumpfries got was after the shootout. Apparently he was interfering with Argentina players during celebration. I'm just aaking is there a video on it. I just want to see what exactly did he do.
Just wondering why FIFA even considers a Spanish (talking) ref for such an important game where 1 team's mother's language is Spanish? That just blows my mind.. For sure the Argentinians aren't talking English with him.
while language is a factor, the referees are chosen based on their quality and ability to officiate that particular game (or at least that's how it is supposed to be!)
I think this penalty was clearly and correct and messi would have yellow card with handball, but messi was angry because before match netherla ds players were very rude and said incorrect words to argentinians and because messi was very angry, also he was angry with vangaal because. Vangaal hates argentinians and he didnot play dimaria in mancbester united as i know
Not sure VG hates Argentina 😉
@@PaulSpacey messi said that he was disrespectful by vangaal , he talked too mutch before the match started and other players during the match
Again, it’s part of the psychology of the game. Happens all the time.
@@PaulSpacey this is unrespctfull from oppo ent side and not everyone doing this, there are not happen in every match. Netherland player dont know to respect opponent and respect your oponent is the main part of football too
If you think this isn’t happening in almost every game at the top level, you’re naive.
I think when Parades strikes the ball to Netherland's bench the right dicision is give Parades a yellow and Van Dijk get a yellow to. Or Parades and Van Dijk got a red. I give them a yellow because Parades didn't hit a player.
Well the red had to use discretion in that situation cuz Paredes had 2 bookable offences, and Van Dijk had a red card worthy play.
But VVD didn’t even get a booking for it, so the ref felt he had to give Paredes only a yellow.
So you just neglected the foul before 😂
worst referee in the whole tournament by far
He was poor in this game that’s for sure. Likes to be center of attention 🙄
Paredes is never just a potential red. Straught red
Subjective, so it’s potential.
When paredes was in the floor , two other players pushed him or smacked his head. Netherlands could have got 2 yellow cards in that case. I believe the referee did well not making more drama and letting soccer be soccer.
It’s a fair perspective; the ref lost control in other parts of the game though, that’s what fans were frustrated about.
Football cup. Not soccer cup!
@@RVA-io9lw im from Argentina...First, I can adapt to whatever way you want to say it and language. Second France.
@@nacholla7866ok, ok enjoy ur rigged wolrd cup. But defiantly a red card for Lionel messi and paredes
@@josefoof1175 you need to learn to loose like a man. Grow balls and talk with your dad
i think the situation with messi's handball is that it had no relevance to the game itself. could give a yellow but it was just a hand play and free kick should be given
Correct, he wasn’t stopping a promising attack so no yellow necessary
@@PaulSpacey It looked like showing lack of respect for the game, which is grounds for a booking.
It’s a fair argument Chris and there is definitely an angle for a caution. Just not for the more common issue of stopping a promising attack
Wasn't there also a judgement on the Messi handball that an infraction had already taken place just beforehand so that play was called back before Messi handling it? I actually don't remember that moment as much as I remember the Paredes tackle which cleared out the ball and subsequently Ake.
The penalty was a dive. Yes, he did touch him, but the fall was deliberate. You are from England and it's really surprising how much times have changed that someone from England would call this a penalty.
The Paredes van Dijk scene you got correct. Personally I would say that this sort of playacting by Paredes should also be an offense, but it's never seen as such.
It’s a subjective issue based on your experience and perspective. If I’m in the penalty area in front of a player and they make contact from behind, even if it’s not a lot of contact, I’m going down unless I’m through on goal with a chance to shoot (Di Maria had players in front of him). He made a calculated, smart move (you can argue against this of course). It’s a foul but it’s soft.
The game is different now and we have to adjust; even though I’m English, being ‘honest’ and never going down puts you at a disadvantage. You’ve got to play the game a bit. That’s just how it is.
@@PaulSpacey I remember the time when Klinsmann was called a diver in England and he never went down without any contact. He always exaggerated the contact. That was seen as diving back then in England, but was the norm in Italy. Those would be more than soft fouls nowadays. Football has always been a physical sport and I think it should keep some of that physicality. I am not in favor of these 1980s fouls, but it's become too soft.
@@luperamos7307 Take a look at that Ghana vs Portugal penalty too. It has indeed become unbelievably soft sad to see.
@@harrykane_ I agree. I only watch World Cups and have to say that I am shocked what is considered a penalty nowadays
Playacting?
This game was a prime example of how refs were clearly in favor of the Argentinians throughout the entire tournament
You really think so? They didn’t just play well and win the tournament?
@@PaulSpacey They played well, but not that well. After 5 awarded penalties and very questionable decisions of refs, all in the ARG favor it´s difficult to believe that the tournament was not fixed. Infantino said before the tournament "It would be a shame if Messi wouldn´t win the World Cup". And Infantino and the corrupt Arab billionaires obviously made it happen.
@@pvmt86Bro if so, then all the players who dreamed of winning the World Cup just wasted all their energy in the field just to see Messi win the World Cup? What's the point of having coaches and making tactics if you know they are gonna lose anyway? Why so much planning? Why did Mbappe give such speech in the dressing of the first half of the World Cup final? My bro literally scored hatrick and didn't complain about the World Cup being unfair for Argentina. Literally no pundits, players and coaches believe except Van Gaal who had problems with Argentinians before too. And Pepe and Bruno claimed this too but seriously who gives a f about them? Bruno said in the match of Portugal v Morocco, there was an Argentine referee that's why Morocco won meanwhile Morocco was the one who committed more fouls and even received a red card so these excuses doesn't make any sense
HOLY SHIT! THANKS REF! IF THAT WAS A YELLOW THAT MATCH MESSI WOULD HAVE GOT A RED CARD💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
U totally skipped the video
YOU THINK MESSI that dumb to argue with the ref on a yellow
Bro, not all chest bumps are the same. A chest bump that sends you flying is clearly different than a normal chest bump...
That’s how referees look at it. It’s not violent conduct so wouldn’t be a red.
@@PaulSpacey a chestbump is not the same as running someone over and hitting them with your chest so they fly away.. it clearly is violent conduct and not just a "chest bump" he came from a distance without stopping and basically ran him over
Wow bro said paredes should get red for kicking the ball to the bench while van djick just a yellow for sending paredes miles away
Chest bump isn’t a red card. Paredes potential red card is debatable in circumstances. Cheers bro.
@@PaulSpacey hurting another player on purpose should be red or at least in my opinion either by chest or other parts of the body
It’s ok to have that opinion; it’s just not how the laws are interpreted and applied. If you raise you hands to push/hit someone or use your head, that’s different to a chest bump.
agree with the 2 yellow cards but the handball from Messi was unsporting behaviour and shouldve received a yellow card too
Of course the ref always has that option of a YC for unsporting behavior but it’s not typical in a handball situation where a promising attack isn’t being stopped.
And what do you say nethwrlands were and had very many fouls, also before match as messi said netherlands were very unhuman and were very rude with argentinain footballers, everything started before match when netherlands said very incorrect words go argentinians, they were also very rude during the match
All part of the psychological game. At the end of the day football is played on the field; that’s all that matters in the end.
Anyone who at least once watched a football match should read the Laws of the Game
All yellow cards were correct to be honest. Actually I would have handed out some more red cards. Some behaviours were intolerable.
Balanced view, I agree.
Which VAR decisions? The VAR was invisible that match.
Poor game by the officials.
So when the ball on the line of the goal ore even a bit of the ball is on the line it’s not a goal but when the Argentina player was on the line of the box it a penalty who are you fooling
That’s what the laws of the game say, big man.
Referee already whistled before the handball
Will argentina vs france be replayed again? Because there is a petition that was made from france and more then 200k signature was signed, so was just wondering if it will replay?
Absolutely not. They will not replay the game even if they found major mistakes. The referee actually made a great job in that game and you can watch the analysis made in this channel to see how there is nothing worth repeating the game for.
Zero chance of it happening, even if Macron and Eric Cantona sign the petition ☺️
There's also a petition for "France to stop crying" and has more votes that the one you said so that shows how serious those petitions are
Every years there are petitions now. Almost each tournament ends at least with one. 😂
But none of them has never had a chance to change anything.
@@jojolapatate6662 true; it will never change anything because the laws of the game do not provide a remedy for any change after the game has finished
It's tough for the referee to give that double yellow card to Paredes. I think it would have been the correct decision, but it was a very pressured situation. And Messis handball is pretty close to a yellow for me as well, just cause of how intentional it was. I know it wasnt in a dangerous situation, but it seemed like it should have been a "bad manners" yellow card
Yeah that’s a fair take on the situations. Both borderline and ultimately down to referee discretion at the time. Easy for us to call it watching replays.
I understand if shit goes down in just one match it can be a coincidence
But most the Argentina games have doubtful questions of it being favoured for Argentina
Cry
@@JGamerOMG aren't you ashamed of Messi?
@@lussacmomin6178 he's not even ashamed. He's delusional
@@fightingforce8498 that's what Barca fans said to Chelsea fans in the champions League 2009
@@lussacmomin6178
There's a video that also exposes the bias in Chelsea vs Barcelona in 2009 that went in Chelsea favor...stop the hate
The world cup was scripted , and so are most matches in football these days, believe it or not, fixed matches are everywhere around the globe. Big time marketers have influenced the beautiful game of football... Poor decisions by refs , VAR disallowing goals and later come around and apologise ... Damn football is almost done
Corruption and match fixing? Yes, it goes on. For the World Cup? No. France could easily have won it in the last few seconds.
@@PaulSpaceydw about them they still crying and can't accept defeat and their idol got benched whole wc imagine still arguing about the wc after nearly one year has passed that's how pressured they are and if they're talking about how many penalties they recieved they forgot that portugal in 1966 had 4 pens and scored 4 pens and same with netherlands in 1978 but they lost.
@@alhassanemam.2487no one is talking about ronaldo, your corrupt country, Qatar gifted it for pessi
Pessi got a penalty Every game in the wc
Foi pênalti no Álvarez contra a Croácia?
IMO it was a penalty because Alvarez got to the ball first and the keeper then collided with him to impede his progress. Debatable incident depending on your perspective
@@PaulSpacey in my opinion the penalties for Argentina were all questionable, that's why many are questioning the cup that Argentina won, however, two penalties were irrelevant to the game, like Poland and Arabia, and the penalty against France, it was the biggest penalty of all. I would like to know your opinion on all this, has Argentina been helped?
@@PaulSpaceyi think it is a penalty, the keeper obstruct alvarez path towards the ball with his leg albeit inadvertently. As for the second alvarez goal, he ran directly onto the keeper's body so no foul on the keeper's part
@@BFloppaWatch his other videos because he exposed that Argentina all got deserved penalties only haters would say that 😂
Lol, you guys are delusional justifying the hand ball. Messi and Argentina were gifted the world cup. He shoulda been thrown out and Argentina left with 10 players. It’s not personal. Congrats to Argentina. Fake ass tournament though
Bit harsh Kev. Not sure ARG were gifted it and I’m English! You need some luck to win a major tournament but they were also the best team overall. The handball was legitimately a subjective issue that could have been given either way but the laws of the game certainly don’t call for a mandatory yellow in that particular situation.
@@PaulSpaceylol, bro, read my other comments and I want you to disprove me
hahahaha cry forever Ronaldo fan
@@josefoof1175LOL everyone proved you wrong after such delusions they could see in ur comments.
Messi should’ve gotten the yellow card
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Referee was poor that’s for sure
Noble? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@robertoschafer549 FUERON VICTIMAS DE UN ROBO ESCANDALOSO
From your videos I think you are pro argentine
I’m English. Respectfully, I’m not likely to be pro Argentine 😆
Salt penaldog
Parades getting away without getting Red card proves argentina was helped
If you’re saying a bad referee performance overall in that game is ‘helped’ then I guess you’re right.
Red card should have gone to Van Dijk too for pushing Paredes to the ground then... or is that good sportsmanship?
Van Dijk chest bump is not a RC in the laws of the game. YC was correct.
@@PaulSpacey Argentina vs Chile 2019, Copa America 3rd place match. Both Messi and Medel were given red cards, to Medel because he chest bumped Messi and to Messi because he "sort" of pushed him while he ran, but nothing more. Examples of red cards given for this kind of behavior.
A referee can always justify a red for behavior that is potentially deemed violent conduct but a chest bump would generally not be considered VC based on the laws of the game and guidance. Raised hands or contact with the face is different.
Messi was booked already and should have been send off.
Penalty for Argentina
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@@caribehzinho what???
The Paredes foul is yellow card. But would have given him directly a red card for shooting at the bench. He risked to hurt somebody which is a red card. Imagine someone sitting there and the ball hitting him in the stomach or in the face or even drinking at the same time.
Ref could have given a red and been justified.