What are the 5 Points of Calvinism? | What is Calvinism and is it Biblical?
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- John Calvin and what we know as the 5 points of Calvinism are frequently debated during Calvinism vs Arminianism conversations. When someone asks, what is Calvinism, no matter if they are referring to the five points of Calvinism or the 4 points of Calvinism, the question need to so be answered using the Bible as our authority. In this video, Pastor Nelson with Bible Munch defines the 5 points of Calvinism, the 4 points of Calvinism, and the meaning of the acronym TULIP.
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"Whosoever believeth....." I'm a whosoever.
The original Greek of that passage translates whosoever as all of the believing.
Me too!
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Dude it never fails. Every Calvinism video I find explains nothing and leaves me more confused
Because none of these jokers have a clue what it is nor do they know what Christianity is. They dont know the bible.
So called Calvinism is actually reformed theology. It comes from the Biblical teaching of the Bondage and enslavement of the Will. After we were booted from the garden for original sin we all became corrupt, and totally depraved. Look up Steve Lawson and Voddie Baucham.
Jesus is a kinsman Redeemer. He died for the OT Remnant.
Most of these people fight over the Koine Greek word which is all thru he NT. It's the Remnant God decided on all along, chosen out of every tribe language and nation. If you feel compelled to believe him obey him love him, you are called to be part of the faithful remnant. But you must repent and be borne again.
Lmao saaaame
Exactly! As he finished I said to myself, “Well, that didn’t help.” 🤦♀️ Still researching tho
@melodiesforhim I gave up the search. Even videos that "debunk calvinism with scripture" don't explain anything. If you find something, please link it to me.
JESUS CAME TO SAVE US. JOHN 3:16. The elect is anybody who chooses Jesus. Jesus changes my life. Jesus saved me too.
Exactly not the only way around
Amen Calvinist teaching satanic
No one choose the real Jesus 😅😅😅😅
Just a communist free gift promising genie waiter puppet demon in their own mind
"No one can come to me unless the Father draws Him."
you are a part of the elect
And who are the elect? Every single person who comes to Jesus right? Even if it's on their death bed. So WE have to assume everyone is saved. Because we don't know what's in someone's heart at the end. So every sinner you see has the potential to be saved at the end of their life, or reject God by the end of their life. Shouldn't we treat every person as an elect lest we be judging others and in turn be judged? And even if they end up not being elect, they are still a creation of God sewn in their mother's womb by his hands and should be held at the highest value as a hand crafted creation of God.
Ah, yes, the 5 petal TULIP of heresy. I know it well. ☦️🙏🏼😇
I believe in TULIP... BUT Jesus taught both the ABSOLUTE Sovereignty of God AND the ABSOLUTE FREEDOM of humans. I interpret the P in TULIP as the Biblical command of the Gospel to you and me, NOT "sovereignty sovereignty sovereignty" as most heretical CalvInists do... if your're interested I posted a video on my channel to clarify why Calvinists (and Arminians) dont like the Parable of the Talents.
I would be careful with what you say about Calvinism even though I don’t believe it. Do you believe that they aren’t saved? Just asking.
“I’ll answer those questions from a Biblical perspective”
Nice guy, but unfortunately he is answering them from an “interpretation” perspective.
Also note that there’s no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist (logical fallacy). If God only elected some against their will, then the atonement for those who had no chance just wasn’t there.
You cannot read any text without interpreting it. You can have a good interpretation, which takes context into account and seeks to be consistent, or you can have a bad interpretation which cherrypicks verses, but no matter what, you need to interpret text.
Jesus is still the Savior of the unelect but he is proof they will not accept God and His authority as right of kingship, even when it is total grace by His effort and nothing else.
And so Christ comes back, his garments are stained red, red with the blood of his enemies. He treads the winepress alone repays each person what they deserve.
@@user-py1ql8zh5x First Timothy 2:4. Second Peter 3:9. John 6:40 and John 6:29.
@@chriscagle4226
CALVINISM.
1. T. TOTAL DEPRAVITY , A DOCTRINE OF
DEMONS.
I'M NOT SAYING THE PEOPLE ARE DEMONIC, IM SAYING THE DOCTRINE IS.
Calvinist, say we are dead, and that we can
Not even respond to God unless he regenerates us.
They turn salvation into a 2 step program,
Get REGENERATED, then get BORN FROM ABOVE.
1st, God does a spiritual work that allows you to see the truth, then if you believe, you are born again.
But the bible says,1 step is needed BELIEVE.
New International Version JOHN 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
This total depravity is said to result in a total inability to contribute anything to one’s salvation, NOT EVEN A RESPONSE.
( But at the same time they teach age of accountability.) What a j😃ke
English Standard Version JOHN 5:25
“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is (NOW) here, when (the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God,) and those who HEAR will live.
2. U. UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
This means, only the ones Christ chose from the foundations of life are going to be saved, The rest are going to hell.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
English Standard Version MATTHEW 7:13
(“Enter by the narrow gate.) For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
English Revised Version REV 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
3. L. LIMITED ATONEMENT
They say Christ only shed his blood for
The elect.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Berean Standard Bible 1john 2:2
He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
YES ITS LIMITED TO WHOEVER WILL RECEIVE IT, BUT ITS OFFERED TO EVERYONE .
4. I. IRRESISTIBLE GRACE
Grace that cannot be resisted, but its only for the elect.
This is the belief that the elect (those chosen by God) are going to be saved whether they desire to be or not.
New International Version
Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: (YOU ALWAYS RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT!)
(Joshua 24:15).
Joshua told THE Israelites that they had the ability to choose whom they will serve
Peter told those on the day of Pentecost to save themselves (Acts 2:40). By BELIEVING.
5. P. PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
This means YOU HAVE TO persevere, hang on, hold fast to, not give up in order to be saved.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
New International Version
1 CORINTHIANS 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Calvinist make the death burial and resurrection of no effect, because if you are not elect it doesn't matter.
Charles Spurgeon there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified unless we preach what is called CALVINISM.
What a joke! 🤔
First of all, notice that God gives man his soul (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Zechariah 12:1). Can or would God give a man an evil soul? NO. This would contradict James 1:17 which says that every good and perfect gift comes from God. God does not bring forth evil
Psalm 51:5, X Psalm 58:3. X GOD IS THE
GIVER OF THE SOUL, AND INDEED EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM GOD IS GOOD. THE SEED OF ADAM IS BORN WITH A SINFUL NATURE, BECAUSE OF ADAMS SIN , BUT ADAM HIMSELF WAS PERFECT AND SINLESS WHEN HE WAS CREATED.
SO NO MAN WAS NOT CREATED WITH A SINFUL NATURE, ONLY HIS SEED WAS BORN WITH ONE.
ADAM = MAN= PERFECTION.
ADAM’S SEED = US = SINFUL NATURE.
WHEN GOD SPOKE WITH CAIN, HE SAID TO HIM, IF YOU DO WELL , WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED.
THERE WAS NO TOTAL DEPRAVITY THERE.
CALVINISM IS BLASPHEMY.
THEY DO NOT TRUST IN THE FINNISHED WORK OF CHRIST AND THE FULL ASSURANCE THAT COMES WITH IT.
English Standard Version
HEBREWS 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in (FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE, DOES IT TALK ABOUT BEING ELECTED FOR SALVATION, ONLY BEING ELECTED FOR SERVICE.
There are those that God foreknew, and those he never knew.
ROMAN'S 8:29 THE ONES HE KNEW.
MATTHEW 7:23 THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW.
JUST BECAUSE HE FOREKNEW YOU DOESN'T MEAN YOU WERE ELECTED, FOR
SALVATION OR CONDEMNATION.
JUST LIKE THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW,
DOESN'T MEAN THEY WEREN'T ELECTED.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS US THAT THE JUDGMENT IS THAT THEY LOVED THE DARKNESS RATHER THAN THE LIGHT.
WE ARE CALLED TO TAKE THE MESSAGE
OF SALVATION TO THE WHOLE WORLD, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE SAVED, IF THEY WOULD BELIEVE IT.
King James Bible 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God talked to Cain, Cain didn't believe God.
God talked to Abraham. Abraham believed God.
BOTH HAD A CHOICE.
WHEN GOD CREATED ADAM AND EVE, HE GAVE THEM WITH FREE WILL TO CHOOSE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN 1 VERSE WHERE GOD TAKES IT AWAY THAT ABILITY TO (CHOOSE)
GAME OVER. 🎮 🥌 🏑 🎲 🎴 🏀 🎮
MAN HAS NEVER LOST HIS ABILITY TO HEAR, OR LISTEN.
Berean Standard Bible MATTHEW 13:15
For this people's heart has grown callous;
(THEY HARDLY HEAR WITH THEIR EARS), and they
have closed their eyes. Otherwise they
might see with their eyes, hear with their
ears, understand with their hearts, and turn,
and I would heal them."
English Standard Version
ROMAN'S 10:18
But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they
have, for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."
YOUR CHOICE.
Total depravity and being dead in sin means we are alienated from the life of God. That is how Ephesians defines it. It does not mean we are unable to respond by believing or not believing. Faith is not a gift of God. Salvation is. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Rom 10:17 and Rom 4.
Faith IS a gift from God.
some people hear but they dont have ears im sad and they reject it all out. saying it its a lie and fairytales, so its just not hearing
I just can not come to a calvinist conclusion by reading and believing only the Bible, I see election and free will in the Bible.
You're conclusion has nothing to do with the TRUTH. CALVINISM is synonymous with BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY 💯
Yeah you're right. Both Election and Free will are clearly biblical and they both intermingle somehow but that's understanding that was not given to us. That's where faith should kick in.
@@danielorozco42813 maybe the elect are the ones who used their free will to choose christ
@@Anthony-hq8zg then theyre not elect. The elect were chosen not otherwise.
@@danielorozco42813 im starting to see im slightly calvanist its like im just trying to figure out what i am. I believe God is the author and initiates our salvation and faith without works is nothing. He knew us before we were born so he knows are destination our free choice as men is what decides the path so we are completely in charge of our end goal but the destination was already chosen.
If God has already determined everything to happen according to His sovereign will, then why pray? Why witness? Why read the Bible? Why go to church? If everything is going to turn out the way God has decreed it, it is logical to assume that prayer is useless.
I've literally have thought this and would love if the pastor would reply?
I don't really have an answer for it except that we're called to be faithful and evangelist
I’m pretty sure that isn’t the best argument against Calvinism. I’m not Calvinist by the way.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
He did not. Where does it say that in scripture? Prove your ill theory/opinion.
@@immancioff3560 He did, but people have to accept His love, believe in Him and do their best to follow His commandments. If they don't it is clear they are not saved and don't love Him.
@@immancioff3560 uhh John 3:16
@@SweetE1403 Amen!
So...Jesus died, and while on the cross basically is saying to Himself, ' Boy, oh boy. I hope people choose me....'
NO. Sorry.
While understanding election and TRULY knowing the details of WHY its stated OVER and OVER in the bible that God has already CHOSEN His people, is as difficult as understanding the Trinity, and other mysteries....The Lord makes it clear relentlessly through the word that FEW will be saved and He already foreknew (not by being a psychic but because He had determined it before the fall, before the crucifixion, etc) each of His chosen.
It's neither up to us to know NOR to try and use it as an excuse not to obey by bringing His gospel to people.
Hi, sincere question here. Would you say that those preaching that Jesus only died for some is spreading a DIFFERENT Gospel to those preaching that Jesus died for all. If so, is one group then preaching a False Gospel and in danger of hell? Please be kind, I'm not accusing, just trying to settle it in my heart. Thank you.
I don't think so
It's not our "Job" to know if we are elect or not,all we got to do is keep persevering we will fail here and there,but not willingly but He who perseveres he will be saved. We are so curious about all these things but something's just get us into hypocrisy and all proud thinking we know better or false assumptions,we just got to know when to speak accordingly reason why there's so many divisions is because we are all too proud and self indulgence in OUR own minds.
I agree. It seems to me that Christians who get caught up debating things like Calvanism, or who are searching for a perfect understanding of Christianity are actually missing a big part of christianity altogether. Like you said I think it stems from pride, and also being obsessed with finding understanding in order to satisfy our own minds (and find peace from that understanding), but God's wisdom is simply different from our wisdom, it is too great for us to comprehend. Instead of focusing on an understanding of the Gospel, Christians should be more focused on simply putting it into practice. Give up your life for Jesus's sake and you will find true life in him. Those who put Jesus's words into practice are like a wise man who builds his house on a rock.
That’s terrifying and horrific. No wonder all these prominent Calvinists kids end up as atheists.
@@ryrocks9487what a delusional strawman propaganda attack from an actual atheist. You claim your puppet self righteous figment in your own mind is ' god'😢
@@jessequentin4441you building on ignorance inaccuracy and stupefaction is building on sand Einstein 😅😅😅😅😅
Wake up to reality. You don't even know what Christianity is.
"persevere '' In what? Osama bin laden preserved to the end.
Wow you cupcakes have never entered you have no idea what is being discussed it the eternal destiny of your souls Nothing is more important but your self righteousness bars you from considering you are duped and wrong.
Just speaking love.
Hebrews 10:26
1 Corinthians 6:9
Galatians 5:19-21
Colossians 3:5
2 corinthians 12:21
Please look up these verses.
What is the point of being born again or killing the old man? If we never change or look different from the world.
Shall we continue in sin? God forbid. God wants all of us to be saved and it's our job to tell the gospel. Why tell the gospel, if calls people and we play no part? Why is written all over scripture? To preach the gospel?
Titus 1:16
Jude 1:4
Let the spirit of Truth lead us into all things. Not a man or different divisions. They're only dividing the Church. Which we are supposed to be united.
People love to twist doctrines but we are responsible for what we believe. So let no man deceive you. No matter how good it sounds.
TULIP (Calvinism) is Biblical.
@@stevendrumm4957 , just saying something is doesn't make it so. Just because someone tells you. We are supposed to be led my the Holy Spirit not by some man in a building. Your body is the temple and we are supposed to be led my spirit not flesh. Open your mind. The disciples and their followers were killed. My whom? Why? For knowledge and what knowledge? Why was our Bibles dissected so many times? Why are we only allowed certain books? Ask God for the answers. Put all your biases to the side. Some mini divisions have so many truths and so many lies. Once you open your mind and put away your biases. You can start to put true pieces of the puzzle together. Who who decides what church divisions are correct. In the name itself, division. Entails separation and Christ was teaching unity. I'm not against Calvinism or Arminianism. Do you that we didn't start receiving truth until the 17th century? They're more than two sides of the coin. (The side). We automatically assume that we have all truths. Even though preachers confess that they don't know all. To be a true preacher you have to be at ordained but who here can say that they're ordained by God. Let's get real with ourselves. Let's look for truth for ourselves. Not from a man. When you die, are going to point the finger at someone else for, how you lived? Do you not have the spirit of truth? Or should we believe everything we here. To me Calvinism doesn't make sense and it can't. Becareful of wolves among you. For they have wormed their way into the church. Teaching lasciviousness and damnable heresies. The New testament teaches against three things the most.
1. Being a hypocrite
2. Living in sin
3. Being deceived
How do you know if you are being deceived, if you are not looking for it? Test all things. Don't lean on your own understanding.
Seek the truth, where it can be found and don't judge others. For going to places that you won't. Looking for truth.
@drumm4957Your interpretation of the bible is NOT biblical....it is highly flawed, illogical poppycock.
Great video Jesus died for everyone & Since he is God in the flesh + Salvation is found in NO one else Not the teachings of any Pastor or Church Leader Jesus Christ is the head of the church and he more interested in our hearts than what labels & doctrines we follow.
Best explanation! All points and references. Thank you!
Calvinism, when quoting Romans 8:30..."and those whom he predestined he also called"...YOU need to go back to verse 29, "For those whom he FOREKNEW he also predestined to be conformed..." In other words, God called us because he already knew we would believe so he predestined us to be the image of his Son and do good works. Verse 29 seems to be left out when quoting Romans 8:30 regarding Calvinist's? God Bless
Thank you. Your comments helped to clarify what "The Five Points" are. The Scriptures address "Both Predestination, as in the First Chapter of Ephesians, and we know that Jesus said, "No man can come to Me, unless The Father has drawn him." However, as in the case of The Rich Young Ruler, even though he was definitely drawn to Jesus, he chose not to give up his riches (which was applicable in his particular case, with his particular heart-attitude) as he refused to follow Jesus..... which was very sad...... :(. Ted Schempp, Nashville
Hey Ted. As a Calvinist I can say this. The rich young ruler never gave up his riches because he wasn’t predestined. Had his heart been softened to Christ he would have. Similar to the Romans who saw him preform miracles.
Thank you well explained
Here is the thing.
Functionally speaking God can accommodate both election and a free will coming to Christ.
It is a de jure election because God exists out of time and knows who will be saved, so from God's perspective all is known
However, de facto, all who call upon the name of The Lord will be saved. From the point of view of human beings here in the world, there is no election, everyone can come the The Lord.and therefore for a Christian right now, functionally speaking, they themselves come to God.
Are they using the bible? As in same bible or they have other book of bible? Sorry for asking
Jesus said that no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son CHOOSES to reveal Him. He also said that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them and enables them. Words like these don't need to be interpreted, they speak for themselves. Once God has chosen someone, of course they are His for ever because He will never let them perish.
Greetings. Calvinism is indeed a wicked doctrine. We will go over Matthew 11:27 and John 6:44. I will start with Matthew 11:27 which deals with irresistible grace. If you read the next verse my God says 28 “Come to me, (((ALL))) you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” My gentle and humble God wants (((ALL))) people who are weary and burdened to come to Him and He will give them rest. Isn’t this ironic but, john 6:44 actually kills Calvinism. John 6:44 ““no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Very famous verse Dr. James White uses on his debates. The whole chapter of John chapter 6 is made up of his preselected apostles from Israel and the already calloused Israelites who are being judicially blinded by God from seeing the truth. The reason his audience walks away is not because God rejected them from before the foundation of the earth, as Calvinism presumes. By no means! God has consistently expressed his desire for the repentance and faith of the Israelite people. God bless you.
John 6:44 refers to the Father drawing us to the Son. Where does it say anything about enabling us? And what exactly does the Father enable us to do?
One more question, you say God will never let them (whom God chose) perish. Does that mean that a believer that slips into sin, and sin when it is full grown leads to death, is that believer still forever saved?
@@thereturn2361 Greetings the Return. I will elucidate my point so very clear in a very facilitating way thus avoiding floccinaucinihilipilification. My message won't be vague tut-tutting bewildering to understand. I hope not. I’m here to answer any person’s question, but I’m not here to change their dangerous TULIP doctrine in any way, shape or form. That will be their own free will decision. You are basically writing to me about salvation. 1 timothy 4:1 talks about Christians departing from the faith and 2 Thess. 2:3 says that some Christians will fall away. Did Jesus my God keep Judas in His hand? Judas was chosen by Jesus to be 1 of the 12 apostles. For although Judas was elected as one of the twelve apostles, he then later betrayed my God. Christ couldn’t keep Judas as His apostle. My God failed to keep Judas as Hos apostle. My God doesn’t fail. It was Judas own Freewill. You mention John 6:44 once again. How would you then interpret John 12:32? This is actually my God speaking. “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, I WILL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF.” That means my God will NOT draw some, but ALL the people to Himself. I will be more than happy to solely concentrate in John 6:44 using the Greek and English word for word. God bless you.
@@thereturn2361 MOST OF THESE CHRISTIAN PROTESTANT CHURCHES REJECT YOUR SINISTER DANGEROUS SECT OF CALVINISM. THESE ARE THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES. MOST BAPTIST CHURCHES, THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCHES, WESLEYAN CHURCHES, PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES, THE CHURCH OF THE NAZARENE CHURCHES, CHURCH OF CHRIST CHURCHES, ANGLICAN CHURCHES, THE MENNONITE CHURCHES, MOST NON DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES AND EVEN LUTHERAN CHURCHES. ALL OF THOSE PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES REJECT THE INIQUITOUS TULIP DOCTRINE OF JEAN CALVIN. I FORGOT TO MENTION THE ORTHODOX, CATHOLIC OR THE ASSYRIAN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES WHICH IS COMPRISED OF MOST CHRISTIANITY. GOD BLESS YOU.
@@thereturn2361 Jn 6:45 Those who are drawn to Christ by God are healed of spiritual blindness and they believe God's word as truth, believing this truth enables them to accept Christ as Saviour, Redeemer and Lord. This is saving faith which never fails.
Unsaved believers can fall away from the faith but those who are born of God, who were given salvation by God will never perish even though they sin. Sin does not cause loss of salvation. Those who are saved believers hate sin and although they sin they never choose to live in sin. When a saved believer gets spiritually lost for a time, Christ as their good Shepherd brings them back. The emphasis in the NT is that those who are adopted as God's children never perish, they are sealed by the Spirit, citizens of heaven and since salvation is God's gift given unconditionally, it is never taken away. Those who fall away permanently never belonged to Christ.
Many believers don't understand salvation vs self-conversion. Many think they are saved when they are not, others doubt their salvation because of sin. Got Questions? Christian app is very helpful, giving numerous Bible quotes to help understand all aspects of Christian truth as well as having answers to false doctrines which many believers think are true.
Not sure what the debate is here - in revelation 13:8 it says that everyone who falls away from the faith during the tribulation, (which is everything happening in your midst right now), their names were not written in the book of life from the very beginning. Yes God knows who is going to turn to him and who isn't. God already knows who will be faithful until the end, and who is just playacting that they are a believer.
So what's the point in being good?
Where's Free Will?
"whosoever"
Doctrines are so confusing.. I hope everyone gets closer to the truth...
Amen. the best solution is to draw near to God, all the time. "Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you." - James 4:8
Isn’t it a good thing we’re not saved by doctrine!
@@shepherdofjudah3715yes we are. If you don't know then it can't have happened to you or you could describe it. Wow.get right. We must be Reborn, converted.
@@user-py1ql8zh5x well i mean the word says we’re saved by grace.
But in a larger sense, yes it depends on the general doctrine, maybe not specific. What specific doctrine did the thief on the cross have? Or the Ethiopian eunuch ??
@@shepherdofjudah3715 the thief on the cross said REMEMBER me
He was totally different than you. You don't get it at all but pretend your stupefaction and self righteous unconversion is better than truth. Refusing to glorify God is better than what he did l, glorify God. He declared his own sinful unworthiness and declared God's holiness.
If you had any idea what sound doctrine was you wouldn't desperate to infer stupidity anywhere and everywhere possible.
You are not a Christian and in danger of permanent judgment.
Revelation 22:17 says, “Whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.” Calvinism, however says it actually means: The ones I (God) chose, will take of the water of life. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: For God so loved the ones He chose, that He gave His only begotten Son, that those He chose WILL have everlasting life. Joshua 24:15 says, “…choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve…But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: There is no choice, rather, God will decide whether or not one will serve the Lord. 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lord is not willing that any of the ones He has chosen should perish, but that all of the ones He has chosen should come to repentance. Matthew6:8-10 says, “…therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done.” This is a prayer. If God’s will was already being done as per Calvinism, then why do we need to pray that it will happen? Hebrews 3:12-14 says, “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end…” This is a call to not harden our hearts and depart from the living God, and to hold our confidence in Christ steadfast until the end. According to Calvinism, we can’t make that decision; God has already decided. John 1:29 says, “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the few that God has chosen. 1st Timothy 1:15 says, “This is a faithful saying …that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners…” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: Jesus came into the world to save (ONLY) the sinners God has already chosen. 1ST John 19 says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, the ones He has chosen WILL confess their sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive them their sins and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness. Calvinism calls confession a synergistic work; meaning a work of faith added to what God has already done. Also, there is no IF in Calvinism. Revelation 3:20 says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, “…when the one I have chosen hears my voice, he will open the door…” Luke 13:3 says, “…unless you repent, you too will all perish.” It doesn’t say, “it doesn’t matter if you repent UNLESS I have already chosen you.”
A person without any knowledge of Calvinism, would never see the 5 points when reading the Bible for the first time. Calvin would never have established his 5 points if he had never been influenced by Neoplatonism. In fact Neoplatonism caused Augustine to change his theology.
Not true. "new Christian" here, I saw all of them on my own. Just by reading the Bible, Then I found two years ago there was something called Calvinism.
@@danielorozco42813 Balderdash.
@@artemusbowdler7508 I don't need you to believe what I say. Take it or leave it. I know it's real.
@@danielorozco42813 Calvinism is a cult.
I believe you because I did also. @@danielorozco42813
I think when it comes to free will technically speaking since God knows all including the future I believe he already knows who will accept Jesus and who won't. But as far as we know and honestly we should concern ourselves is that we have the free will too. Because then what would be the point of evangelism(don't care what you say EVERY CHRISTIAN IS CALLED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL.)
I have watched three videos on this topic and I can’t seem to understand the “Unconditional Election.” Does this mean a person does not have free will to answer the call to Salvation?
Unconditional Election is the false doctrine that God chose who would go to heaven and who would go to hell before the creation of the world. It teaches that humans have no say in the matter, we don't get to choose to put our faith in Christ. Calvinists will explain this away by saying that if you are of the elect, you will 'want' to put your faith in Christ. The logical conclusion of unconditional election is that God created billions of souls that he never had any intention of offering salvation. This is not the God of the Bible. If you would like to understand more about this topic, please watch this video, the explanation starts at the 10:40 mark.
@@pipkinrahl7264
Thank you for your response.
So basically Calvinist believe that people do not have free will to answer the call to be saved because *God* has already determined each persons fate. Another way to put it would be, if someone comes to *Christ* it’s because *God* had already “elected” that person to be saved, and if a person does not come to *Christ* it’s because *God* did not “elect” that person to be saved.
@@GloryBeToGodForever That is exactly it. It reduces humans to puppets and God into a seeker of false love and empty relationships. It reduces the sacrifice on the cross into a dog and pony show and the Bible into a book of lies. Please remember 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Calvinism, all of it's points, should be avoided at all costs. None of it is founded in Scripture. John Calvin himself understood so little of the Bible that he had others killed for disagreeing with him.
Calvinism is a false doctrine that equit Satan and God as one and the same.
2 Corinthians 4:4 tell god of this world blinding man to stray them to hell, who is identified as Satan. In Calvinism, it's thier god that does this because he doesn't want people to ne saved.
@@pipkinrahl7264 false doctrine? Except the Bible says it.... 🤔🧐🙃
How valuable is Jesus' life? That value is what is exchanged for our sin. By this I mean that Jesus' death is for all sin everywhere but only applies to some of us, which means that limited atonement is wrong.
I am not a calvinist, I just came here to get a better understanding of it. I'm also not the best at phrasing, so try to see what I meant, not necessarily what I said.
What would be the point of evangelism?
The implied CALL and COMMAND of the Gospel is to BE believing in the Blood of Jesus to be saved. THAT is the heart of Evangelism. Calvinists replace this with believing in "Sovereignty" which is a FALSE Gospel... I explain in depth on my channel ❤
*_What the Bible Says About Freewill_*
John 3:16
For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not parish but have eternal life.
Joshua 24:15
15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then CHOOSE for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
John 7:17
17 Anyone who CHOOSES to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
Hebrews 3:7-11
7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
Hebrews 3:12-13
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Ezra 7:13
13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own FREEWILL to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Exodus 35:21
21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made WILLING, and they brought the Lord's offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.
Exodus 8:32
32 And Pharaoh HARDENED HIS HEART at this time ALSO, neither would he let the people go.
God hardened his heart by allowing him to choose to harden his own heart. Works like that...
John 1:12-13
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the WILL of the flesh nor of the WILL of man, but of God.
John 7:17
If anyone's WILL is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone TO COME TO REPENTANCE.
Over and over the Bible talks about our willingness to come to God.
"Calvinism denies man’s free will to obey or disobey God, which is the basis of man’s responsibility and accountability, as taught by the Bible."
Calvinism is heretical. They cherry pick verses. They teach that free will does not exist despite what the Bible says. They do not believe in a rapture. They also believe the 1,000 year millennium reign of Christ is happening right now. The list goes on and on. They don't believe people can deny Christ and go to hell if they are "chosen". As if we can spit in God's face all of our lives and still get to heaven if we are one of His "chosen", His "elect".
2 Peter 2:20-21
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
That means when the sinner that had the full gospel then refuses the gospel his last state will be worse than his state before knowing Christ.
That requires free will.
On the cross, Jesus became sin. Everyone's sin. Not only for "whom He chose". They believe we lost free will when Adam sinned. They believed that by the first sin we lost the ability to love God on our own terms.
Augustine, one of which influenced John Calvin, said, “by subverting the rectitude in which he was created, he is followed with the punishment of not being able to do right” and “the freedom to abstain from sin has been lost as a punishment of sin.”
This goes against everything the entire Bible preaches.
Beware of isms.
A man enters heaven by being elect foremost with a life lived bearing fruits of faith from the point of salvation on.
@@stickerlady1774 Because they CHOSE to accept Salvation and live there life for GOD.
@@Faith-Ministries yes but what do we know about what it means to be elect? You can have a kid living in sin most his life he didnt know he was elect and than he accepted christ as his savior and boom turns out he was one of the chosen ones it just took him time.
@@Anthony-hq8zg Well ofc GOD knows all, He knows who will and won't, because he see's all, knows all, The perception of time is infinite for GOD.
To be honest I would say, no matter what we do of course GOD knows. We might be an atheist for the first 25+ years of our life then get saved. Or maybe born and raised Muslim. then convert and become Christian. So in that Respect yes, I agree. The whole reason I believe in free will is because "WE" are created in GODS image. If we didn't have "Free Will" I don't believe "LOVE" itself would exist.
If we didn't have "Free Will" The love we show wouldn't be real. I believe that's why "LOVE" is so strong, because it's not forced, it's "GIVEN FREELY"
GOD has AGAPE LOVE for his Children, it's our choice to understand and accept that love and reciprocate it. GOD knows who will, and who won't.
@@Anthony-hq8zg Yes in short form, I see your point and concede that's possible.
Ok, so a person is unelected. They get a inkling to find out about this Jesus. They still couldn’t be saved? Or would it be that they were known by God to not be interested or truthfully interested from the get go, so, since God knows all, they weren’t going to be saved anyhow, hence, unelected?
Irresistible Grace... so no one has an actual choice. Idk if I can believe that.
Consider the conversion of Paul. Did he choose Jesus... No.
Jesus radically touched him and changed him. That is exactly how God saves everyone...
Jesus never died for the elect or salvations only for the elect!
@@alphainitium5737 he actually did though. He died for the people who believe in him which are the elect
@@_abishekdaniel_ what makes you think that everybody is saved like Paul's conversion?
I'm on the fence with it too, but if God left us with a choice, man is so hell bent in his sin, that he would see the grace of God as Christ on the Cross and cry out mockery. "Ashamed I hear my own mocking voice cry out among the scoffers. For it was my sin that held him there."
I read the comments below before watching this video. It appears (from the comments) that this video fails to give an answer. So....... I'm moving on to the next vid.
This was way to hard to wrap my mind around, but I probably sit somewhere at 3.5-3.75 calvinist or something. Limited atonement is a no, but Irresistible grace tho. I'm not rejecting irresistible grace, just waiting to understand it more before I completely accept it as what I believe that God teaches us through His word.
Hahahaha 😂😂😂
You've never come face to grips with who you really are and the offensive abomination of your sin which has defiled your soul just like it has all your ancestors and the entire world.
We are born behind and under a veil separating us from God. We are inundated and allured and ensnared by evil all day. We are enslaved and in bondage to sin, as Paul writes quoting Isaiah. We are powerless to choose him and deny everything else.
Do you think that man is not capable of making a decision whether he will choose God then why did he become a man if he has no decision of his own in life so the man has the freedom to choose
@@ScideChicp man chooses against god at every turn. Read the bible. ALL we like sheep has gone astray. As Paul wrote, the scriptures conclude all mankind is enslaved to sin. Nothing revolves around man. We revolve around God.
I do believe in Christ and I will put my trust him. He is enough for my salvation... at the same time TULIP shows how powerful and merciful God is to his elect..
free will is there and if we choose to continue to sin, God is not accountable for that anymore...
He gave his som for us to eneter the Kingdom... isnt that the definition of true love, just and mercy.. Oh Thank you Lord for your son!
Bro if you continue to sin and are not saved you will fall from grace.
Steve Lawson has an in-depth study on youtube called Doctrines of Grace. Very good.
Why would I choose to join this religion when I have no choice whether or not I can except Christ?
This is a very informative overview. Thank you! 🙏🏻
So much confusion and so many denominations because we can't stop viewing scripture through the Greco-roman spectacles.
I go to a Calvinist church but I can’t say for sure if I am Calvinist.
Calvinism is deceiving many.
In what way? It is simply a deeper look into man's own filthiness and explains how wretched we are. God has (in his infinite mercy) chosen us out of the world. It's not a salvific issue and Calvinism adheres completely to salvation by grace through faith in Christ ALONE.
@@isaaccarr4616 It has everything to do with salvation. When you tell someone that they have no choice in whether they will go to heaven or hell, it can drive them away in hopelessness, especially when you tell them there is NOTHING they can do to change their condition.
According to Calvin, God wants everyone to be saved (1 Tim 2:3-4). He has the power to save them and is a God of love and grace and compassion, and yet, he assigns the majority to a horrific eternity apart from him. I would not wish that upon my worst enemy and I am nowhere near as loving as God is.
Yes it is. Calvinism and Gnosticism. Paving the road to hell with the Bible itself.
@@isaaccarr4616 One other comment Isaac, Calvinism does NOT adhere to salvation by grace through faith in Christ ALONE. Your faith has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation (according to Calvinism). Perhaps you are not very versed in what Calvin taught.
@@thereturn2361 Greetings. I'm French, but not Calvinist. Isn't that Ironic lol. Is vitally important to view Jean Calvin's 1500's beliefs on the TULIP. What was his interpretation. God bless you,
Great explanation. Thank you!
“Men in his natural state doesn’t want to choose God” Acts 17:26-27. God literally designed and pre appointed us to live in certain places at certain times so that we “should seek the Lord, in the hope that they [we] might grope for Him and find Him”. Scripture here says we were made to choose Him.
@@lainie4344 God said No one seek Him.
Where?
If you are referring to Romans chapter 3:11 then read Psalms 14. Rom. Ch 3:11 is referring to psalms 14 and psalms 14:2 states “The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God” God is looking for people who are looking for Him. He has given the son of men the opportunity to seek Him. This is what psalms 14 says but the people specifically is psalms 14 have chose not to seek God.
@@lainie4344no one seeks him without God opening their eyes.
Isaiah 6 God YHVH IS the author of the veil.
I believe God is a LOVING Father in Heaven… One who loves ALL His children and invites ALL to come unto His son, Jesus Christ.
He wills that we should overcome the world; each one of us. He sent his disciples to spread the good news and “feed His sheep”. His sheep were not just one here and one there… but every soul He could touch in even the most barren of spiritual deserts.
He consistently proves that acting in faith and believing on His holy name (because He IS good) is all that is required to partake in His salvation.
Hahahaha almost no one ever overcomes the world or is saved. You live in a bubble Disney Fantasyland
Can you make it sound more confusing? I think I didn't not understand enough.
Here is everyone listening ? the proper understanding is God before you were born decided , predestined who he would call to be a Christian in their 1st life , not who would be saved who wouldn't , that is what it means . Also , once your called you can decide if you want to take your calling , you do not have to . See Luke 14 : 28 [Niv] bible .
Why do we make belief in the most high so complicated
Allah has ordained that it be so.
I like to believe God is not incompetent and can actually save his people. Everyone agrees in the Old testament Israel was CHOSEN but now a days everyone wants to think theyre special and have a "choice."
I’m not really here to debate. Just looking at the 30k feet view, I have to comment quick.
If God is all powerful, he can’t be surprised. If God is outside of time, everything is already written. If many choose the wide path to hell, then there are people in hell who’s sins were atoned for, but they chose no relationship with God (I never knew you).
Honestly, this seems like a simple discussion. I think we are only confused by our small minds and limited scope. Sigh
...reason why does the gentile be saved again?
I thought I'd been down rabbit holes before. Christianity has given me a headache this morning.
Jesus teaches the "Philosophical Heresy" of Compatibalism in the Parable of the Talents... I explain more in depth on my channel, but don't let the philosophy worshipping Calvinist vs Arminian debate detract you from Repenting (having a deep and profound realization you are a sinner in need of a Savior) and Believing (trusting in the Blood of Jesus to save you from the Wrath to Come) ❤
From a biblical stand point God gives everyone a measure of faith, it's up to the individual " free will" to choose to put that faith , their trust in a risen savior.
Or use that faith in rejection of his grace, grace remains unconditional, his love is still unconditional, yet we must willing receive his love, if not we will perish in our sins.
Freewill is the lie of Satan in the garden.
I identify with the song "Whosoever Meaneth Me".
I think I’m maybe a 3 point Calvinist?
No such thing it's all or nothing. Jesus is a Kinsman Redeemer not mickey mouse communist.
Romans 8:7 kjv
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 kjv
Acts 13:48 kjv
Romans 8:28-30 kjv
Calvin has some good point
No they don't,dead person
Yep
If God is all knowing and functions outside the dimension of time, how could He not wind-up with an “elect”? No matter what the mechanism is, He necessarily knows the outcome. So, if faith in Christ were possible purely based on free will, there would still be an elect - whoever made the right choice. But then why would those who chose Christ make that choice? Or vice versa? It still seems unfair, but is it? I really think this ultimately is an issue of paradox and semantics
If God created someone knowing they wouldnt choose him then thats predestination... If God wanted everyone saved he wouldve made them the same as the elect. I find this whole conversation silly
“Men in his natural state doesn’t want to choose God” Acts 17:26-27. God literally designed and pre appointed us to live in certain places at certain times so that we “should seek the Lord, in the hope that they [we] might grope for Him and find Him”. Scripture here says we were made to choose Him.
Calvinism is an extra biblical ideology based on Augustine’s Gnosticism. It is another gospel.
God is not willing that any should perish, yet MOST are on the broad road leading to destruction. So, obviously God's will is NOT being done in at least some instances. In Jeremiah, God says, "They built the high places to sacrifice their children to idols, something I did NOT command, nor did I speak it, nor did it enter my mind." Joshua said, "CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve." ALSO, you will never convince me in a million years that the God of the Bible, who IS Love, is the cause of EVERY evil you can imagine; Satan worship, child molestation, prostitution, drugs, alcohol, pornography, human trafficking, murder, rape, not to mention, the Christ rejecting religions of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism. This Calvinistic God is NOT the God of scripture.
“Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.”
Acts 13:48 NKJV
So called Calvinists (Predestination and Election) throughout history
Steve Lawson Voddie Baucham Jr, RC Sproul, James Motgomery Boice, Charles Spurgeon, John Knox, William Tyndale, George Whitefield, Jean Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, Martin Luther, Augustine of Hippo, John Newton (Amazing Grace), Jonathan Edwards, Joni Eareckson Tada, Cotton And Increase Mather, Donald Gray Barnhouse
Check out Dr Leighton flowers of Soteriology101. He's a fomer Calvinist preacher. Cheich out all his videos on Calvinism
If there ever was a reason for me to give up on Christianity, Calvinism (5-point) would be the one. Now I don't believe in Calvinism so thankfully I don't need to make that decision.
You look like Ted Mosby
What the heck was that. It’s like another language. I’m a former baptist.
Been studying this for years. Election and free will are both taught in the bible. Somehow God harmonizes it. There is only 1 point in Calvinism... no free will.
Are Calvinists even real Christians?
I've always been told Calvinism is herecy so never really looked into it. Go curious and even if wrong, it doesn't seem completely heretical..
My main thought as a plus for 4 point is that verse (can't remember where)
Many are called but few are chosen
Maybe God calls many, but then it is up to man to respond. But then it'd wrestle with predestination also... I don't know 100% how salvation works, I'm just practicing prerserverance and thank the Lord he saved a wretch like me!
I am neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian, both are wrong, and they have a lot in common they both came out of RCC, both are works driven. The scriptures do not say Jesus died for the elect, they say he died for the sinner. 1 Timothy 1:15, Luke 5:32, Luke 19:10, Romans 5:6, 5:8, 5:12.
After watching and studying what Calvinism is. I am convinced it’s a dangerous doctrine. It will lead more people away from Christ than put their faith in him.
What do you call yourself if you agree with the first 4 points, but not the 5th? Answer: Primitive Baptist!
well, all the bible passages you quote, don't support your message, friend! So, to answer the question of this video: Is calvinism, is T.U.L.I.P. biblical? No, it is not! It contradicts scripture and doesn't glorify God, quite the opposite!
T (or total corruption, original sin etc) has a semi decent argument unless you're semi pelagian.
U you can fall away
L He died for the sins of the whole world
I you can trash his grace
P You'd rather gaslight people about ever having salvation by saying they're not doing enough works instead of admitting that it can be tossed away
If you fall away than you were never even chosen according to that theory
Lutheran pov. Some being elect but no double predestination.
Pure unbiblical propaganda
Also John 3:16 does NOT say: For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that because the ELECT believe in Him they shall not perish, but have eternal life.
JOHN 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
WHOSOEVER, WHOSOEVER... .. . NOT THE ELECT ONLY.
so if a person refuses to except jesus then jesus died in vain for that person i dont know much but i know jesus dident die in vain. he accomplished what he came to accomplish and we cant effect what he did.. in any way
WRONG!!
@@alfredmontoya5620so when he said he will lose non that god gave him he lied ? your accusing God of lying .. .. you deside who is saved .. for the wages of sin is death but thev guift of god is eturnle life through jesus christ . and that guift is saving fath its not from us its from god we cant take it God must give it .. when i got saved i allready beleved in jesus knolidge wont save you ,, it taks a act of God .. s if your relying on sompthing yiour doing your hell bouns .. beleve on jesus with all of your heart and you will be saved .. that called being born again when god gives you the holy spirit .. a outright act of God .. by grace are we saved less any man should bost .. its a guift .. stay safe .. allfred ..
Calvanism is outdated and nonsense. No offense
Irresistible grace is not true... Acts 7:51
Yes it is or their would be no 1 saved at all. Duh. Isaiah 1
A Calvinist noblewoman was possessed by a demon. She exhibited many classic signs of genuine possession, including replying to questions in whatever language they were asked. The Calvinist ministers were unable to cure her, and so hesitantly approached the local Jesuits.
The Jesuit rector replied to them:
“Don’t you consider our ceremonies superstitious and our exorcisms meaningless? Why then do you come to us? Is it faith or necessity that brings you? Send your own ministers and your schismatic priests, and see what power they have over the Devil. Then come to us. For it’s only fair that the trial should be considered as a proof of the reality of the two religions.”
The Calvinists said their ministers did not have the power to cast out the demons. So the rector agreed they would see the woman.
The account continues:
“After this, a visit was made by the Catholic authorities to the woman to see if she was really possessed, which they soon confirmed. As soon as the rector sprinkled her with holy water and touched her with a relic of St. Ignatius without her knowing it, she began to writhe and twist her body, saying that a bone of St. Ignatius tormented her.
As the rector was even more eager to heal the souls of the Calvinists than the body of the woman, he instructed them to bring the book of Calvin’s ‘Institutes’ or some other book containing their own dogmas and give it to the woman. This was accordingly done, and the Devil began to kiss and caress it with great marks of joy. The rector then took it and hid a picture of St. Ignatius between the pages; then he presented it to her again. The demon drew back, screaming with anger, and would not even touch it.
Being compelled to acknowledge what it was he feared, the unclean spirit answered, ‘The picture of St. Ignatius that you have placed there!’
The Calvinists were greatly confounded at this, and one of them said in anger, ‘You Papists have a good understanding with the Devil, so you can do whatever you want with them.’
One of the Jesuit fathers then said, ‘Since this evidence doesn’t satisfy you, let’s try this. I’ll pray to God that if yours is the true faith, the Devil may pass into my body and torment me, but if the Catholic faith is true, he may enter into you for one hour only. Will this satisfy you?’
Not one of them would consent, and all were silent. Then they earnestly begged the rector to assist the poor woman if he could. The rector promised and then went away.”
Every time one of the Jesuit brothers came to the woman, “she flew into a passion. However, if a Calvinist presented himself, she called him her dear friend.”
The woman was eventually exorcised after the brothers offered fasting and penance for her, the exorcist offered Holy Mass, and administered the rite of exorcism. After the demon went out of her, “right then and there, she solemnly renounced her errors and professed the Catholic faith.”
It is one of the great evidences of the Catholic Faith that whenever someone needs help confronting the demonic, they often (not always) have to call a Catholic priest to do it.
Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, who continues to cast out demons for the conversion of souls through the instrumentality of Your priests!
✨️ Source: Paul Thigpen (protestant convert), “Saints Who Battled Satan: Seventeen Holy Warriors Who Can Teach You How to Fight the Good Fight and Vanquish Your Ancient Enemy” (TAN Books, 2015), 116-19, which was quoting the words from the following book: Antonio Francesco Mariani, “The Life of St. Ignatius Loyola, Founder of the Jesuits, Vol. 2” (Thomas Richardson and Sons, 1849).
Pax Christi ✝️ 🇻🇦
The OSAS doctrine has poisoned Christianity and is the cause of the misunderstanding of the relation between free choice and predestination.
While we are elect to know christ, we are not eternally secure. We can be like Judas and Ravi Zacharias, abandon a life of repentance and go back to sin.
As for those who are not part of the elect they are not saved from the coming judgment but they will be judged according to their deeds. They will inherit the earth. The believers are not the sheep of Matthew 25, don't you know we are not going to be judged with the world?
It's "the just" that will be saved and reveive eternal life too.
They served Jesus because they served us, the smallest of His brethren.
5 points of false doctrine
Yup. Totally dead in tresspasses without God. I just don't see how being dead in sin means we can't choose God. Because we can't do any works that will make us saved, but, faith isn't a work.
Can't be limited atonement if Jesus died for the sins of the world, can it?
The perseverance doesn't make sense- i have known MANY on fire got the Lord Christians who later went on to reject and denounced God. Saying they weren't saved is a cop out, i think. I think this also proves His grace can be reflected as well.
Apart from those tulip things, I feel kind many reformed teachers are so wealthy in knowledge of the word. I will gladly listen to a Calvinist... I just don't agree with this stuff.
You just told people that if they are not Christians they can do nothing about it. You have people wondering if Jesus die for them. You’re telling people that God sends people to Hell for no reason.
This is not a detailed narrative of Calvanism. Is this channel a Calvinist
If Jesus died for the whole entire world, then the whole entire world will be saved. That would be the heresy of universalism. Even the Lord himself said that many will end up in hell, Matthew 7:13.
LIES! All lies!!
Guys, let's not complicate things. Jesus said if you repent and believe in him and follow/obey him we are garuanteed our spot in heaven. Theology is man's version of perversing the bible with his secular lenses. You might as well watch dark souls lore they way some of these theologians talk about scripture.
Thanks Got Questions!!!!!
Is it true you guys are Calvinists? I myself am not in a denomination but I heard Calvinism is false
Calvinism is very false and easily disproven. Some of yhe people commenting might be but others are not
@@sircaptainfartnuggetsYo, please provide scriptures or explain a little more. I just want to learn and move on from this jumble of a comment section.
Calvinism is the gospel and there is only ONE type of Calvinist, a FIVE POINTER!!!!! A 4 point Calvinist is an inconsistent Arminian who is unwilling to call himself one. All five points are biblically consistent and cannot be taken apart.
If we were predestined for salvation, then Jesus didn't need to die on the cross
Humans wont understand everything many secrets will be reviled. But my guess is its predestined because he saw in the future after a certain line because jesus died he is predestined
@Anthony-hq8zg just because God knows the end from the beginning doesn't mean we are predestined, it just means He already knows. I'm sure this is where calvanists get their false doctrine is that they assume that because He knows He meant it to be. God's will is rarely done on this earth, but one day it will be! Praise His name+
@@nealmcbaggins127 yes but all I’m saying is God didn’t Destin you for anything you did that to yourself but he knows all of your choices. In his eyes you are predestined it’s like completing a video game and knowing the campaign the second time around you know that the character is going to die and what choices he’s going to make because based on his three choices that he chose, he was destined for it if that makes any sense, I never heard of the word Calvinist until I was googling what Christian am I because I’m not a Baptist nor am I nondenominational I grew up orthodox, but I don’t pray to Mary so if you can help me figure out what the heck I am that’s great
@Anthony-hq8zg I see what you're saying, and I'm not trying to argue. You're right in that we each make our choices, however, just because you know the outcome of a thing doesn't mean you predestined it to happen. If God predestined some of us for hell, then that would mean we didn't have a choice.
@@nealmcbaggins127 are we not all deserving of hell? Who are we to say to God who he gets to choose to be saved that’s my thing I don’t believe but estimation means some Christians get saved I believe predestination that all true Christians, the ones who keep the law and believe that Jesus died for our sins the ones who have faith with works.
As a Calvinist, you can never know if you are one of the elect. 10 years from now, you might decide to dispense with your faith which according your belief means that you were never one of the elect in the first place. Consequently, you cannot with certainty claim the promise that God will keep you to the end because those promises are for the elect, and you might not be one of the elect. The only way that you can know that you are one of the elect is when you walk through the pearly gates after you have taken your last breath.
Lol you sound like a Muslim, Inshallah, God willing. I know I am saved by grace through faith, I’m here to tell you that you are too.
I am a Calvinist and I know that I am one of the Elect. Therefore, I know that I will be preserved by the power of God until the end of my life unto salvation.
@@stevendrumm4957 Have you been born again?
@@stevendrumm4957 What evidence do you have that you are one of the elect? How do you know that the promise of being preserved is for you? In 10 years, you could dispense with your faith; many have started out thinking that they were one of the elect only to walk away later on life and lived a lifestyle of sin (you would say that they were never saved). The only way you can know is after you take your last breath? On your death bed, you will shutter in fearing hoping that you are one of God's chosen. He chooses only a few, and the rest He destines for hell. The chances of you being saved are slim.
@@stevendrumm4957 if you were elected before the foundation of the world, why did you fall out and have to come down to earth, only to see if you choose to be elected? Do you see the utter ridiculousness of calvinism?
8 Calvinistic Beliefs vs.The BIBLE :
What's The Difference???...
Calvinism : Jesus Died ONLY for the Elect alone.
BIBLE : Jesus Died for ALL (2 Corinthians 5:14-15, cf. John 1:29, 6:33, 6:51, Colossians 1:20-23, 1 Timothy 2:6, 4:10, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2, cf. 5:19),
including those who DENY Him (2 Peter 2:1, cf. Luke 22:14-21, Hebrews 10:26-29, Jude 1:4).
Calvinism : Jesus is The Propitiation ONLY for the Elect alone.
BIBLE : Jesus is The Propitiation NOT ONLY for the Elect alone,
BUT ALSO for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2, cf. John 1:29, 6:33, 6:51),
which includes ALL UN-BELIEVERS (1 John 5:19, Revelation 3:10, 12:9, 16:14).
Calvinism : God Gives Saving Grace ONLY to the Elect alone.
BIBLE : God Gives Saving Grace to ALL (Titus 2:11, cf. Isaiah 45:22, Luke 3:6, 1 Timothy 2:4-6, 4:10),
but some Receive It in Vain (2 Corinthians 6:1),
and Fall Short of It (Hebrews 12:15),
and Pervert It (Jude 1:4-19),
and Reject It (Galatians 1:6, Hebrews 10:29).
Calvinism : God has Mercy ONLY on the Elect alone.
BIBLE : God has Mercy on ALL (Romans 11:32, cf. Psalm 145:8-9).
Calvinism : God does NOT Want All to be Saved.
BIBLE : God DOES Want ALL to be Saved (1 Timothy 2:4-6, cf. Isaiah 45:22, Ezekiel 18:23, 18:32, 33:11, Matthew 23:37, Acts 17:30-31, Romans 10:21).
Calvinism : It is God's PLEASURE to Doom the Wicked to Destruction.
BIBLE : God takes NO PLEASURE in the Death of the Wicked (Ezekiel 18:23, 18:32, 33:11, Matthew 23:37, Romans 10:21).
Calvinism : God has Decreed ALL Things.
BIBLE : God has NOT Decreed All Things (Jeremiah 19:5/ESV, cf. Isaiah 10:1, 30:1, 55:8-9, Hosea 8:4, 1 John 2:16),
but He has ALLOWED All of the Nations to Walk in their OWN Ways (Acts 14:16, 17:30).
Calvinism : Election is According to a Mysterious Secret Un-Conditional DECREE of God.
BIBLE : Election is According to The FOREKNOWLEDGE of God (1 Peter 1:2, cf. Jeremiah 1:5, John 6:64, Acts 2:23, Romans 8:29, 11:2).
What an angry ignorant uneducated strawman propaganda. 🙄
Jesus is a Kinsman Redeemer.
He is the stone that was rejected. No human can choose him we are born in darkness and totally depraved.
God knows what will happen in the future but he does not decree it because he can know what will happen in the future that you will do but he does not decree it
@@ScideChicp he does decree it. Another lie. The bible says flat God makes known the end from the beginning. "All my purposes willstand and I will do all that I please".
You don't believe in God you don't believe the bible. Just make up what you want. Living in a mush for brains fantasy world.
@@ScideChicp your an atheist who takes a puppet waiter slave to be the creator. Wow what a narcissist.
@@user-py1ql8zh5x I believe in God is not the author of sin
If Calvinism is true then evangelism and preaching the Gospel is unnecessary because all who are going to be saved are saved and those who are lost will remain lost.
It is very very good to share the Gospel but we are not the ones who decide whom is saved. God saves, not us
Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved.
We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you.
Take comfort knowing that we are not like God.
We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did.
So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God?
So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you.
Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases.
My dear beloved Calvinist, will you teach that to your children or grandchildren?
I suspect that your answer will be “never.” But why not?
Why would you ever hide the wonderful “doctrines of grace,” the “Bible truth,” from your own children or grandchildren?
TRUTH IN LOVE
Calvinism is pretty disgusting when you really think about it.
Calvinism is utter rubbish
Its Biblical.
@@stevendrumm4957 Biblically debunked you mean lmao
@@stevendrumm4957 Yes, a lot of it is biblical. It is the destructive heresies that are deceptively inserted that is the problem. 2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
But that feels inherently wrong to me because I look at it this way:
If I left a gift in front of the doors of everyone in the whole world, some might choose to open it put it on a shelf looks pretty and then leave it alone, some might choose to give it away, and some might choose to open it redeemstructions and use it for what I intended for them to use it for. But their personal choice would never negate the fact that I left that gift in front of their door.
Now, think about that Jesus is death was our gift.
The implied CALL and COMMAND of the Gospel is to BE believing in the Blood of Jesus to be saved. Calvinists replace this with believing in "Sovereignty" which is a FALSE Gospel... I explain in depth on my channel ❤
Sooooo…..God is not sovereign then. Got it. He has no dominion over the human heart. Got it. Guess I’ll go get on willing myself into heaven since God can’t get me there.
@@didlybobidly9721 If you replace the command of the Gospel to YOU with "Sovereignty", Jesus says He'll have you thrown into the lake of fire... it's that big of a deal to Jesus He told a whole parable about it.
@@savingfaithalone faith will never be divorced from salvation for it is by grace we have been saved through faith. God must be the initiator, however because the faith itself must be given to us by God. For we were dead in sins, unable and unwilling to come to God. It is in faith that He preserves us for the final day. He says
1-that it is the faithful who remain
2- that it is by His strength and protection that we remain in Him
It all must be God’s doing, yes through us, but by His will.
That is what sovereignty is, God does as He pleases for He is God.
@@didlybobidly9721 Faith is the command of God, the response of a heart sovereignly regenerated. Faith in THAT sense is "a gift" (Ephesians 2:8-9 does NOT say FAITH is a gift, the gender of "that" does not match to "faith" and Calvinists DELIBERATELY LIE in their exegesis)... the response of a heart sovereignly regenerated WILL NOT rebelliously place God's command to them back onto God... this point is lost on most Calvinists.
@@savingfaithalone the “that” that you mention, is it in verse 8? I’m willing to look into your claims especially because you brought up a verse but don’t be calling me a liar, if anything call me unwillingly ignorant
The nation of Israel are the elect! JESUS was Jewish and said salvation comes first to the Jewish then the gentiles! ...the descendants of the holy priesthood and many bible heroes still exist today! The bloodline of king David is still alive today! So why do gentiles preach they are saved but jews are judged?
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How sad This denomination like all other denominations. Are nothing but religion; man it his worldly wisdom corrupts thinks
Jesus thought clearly; This religion is far from great commission.
John 14:17
“Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”
When you realize that God doesn’t always get His will, you automatically realize that Calvinism can not be true.
Crazy crap. No one can die for another's sin to pay for that sin. And after dying going to heaven is not a punishment.