Ontario vs Alberta: is it time to move west?
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- In 2022, Ontario saw at least 49,000 people leave the province with many relocating to Alberta. With a cheaper rental market, more affordable homes, lower taxes and decent gas prices, Alberta’s campaign to get more Torontonians to relocate seems to be working. Let us know, what would it take to make Toronto liveable again?
No one should be paying more than 30% of their monthly wages in rent. If this was the case it would also ease the strikes for more pay. People need to live not work 24/7 to still be behind.
Child support is the same thing it's ridiculous, this system is making things harder for men and women are taking advantage of us.
I moved from Toronto to Calgary and lived there for 6 years before returning back to Toronto. I seriously regret it. I had a good paying job and rented a beautiful fully furnished condo in the downtown core with washer/dryer, smart home connected Google, and fireplace. I paid $1500 monthly with parking and utilities included. I was earning 6k a month and I was able to save 3k out of it. The weather is decent in Calgary, but social life sucks! As a person of colour, I would say, classism is a bigger issue than racism. Calgarians are more reserved and conservative. Most live an active lifestyle by eating healthy and exercise frequently, it's the norm there. I felt home sick and missed out on dating life. Since the collapse of oil an gas, there has been a shortage of single men. Women of all races are struggling with this issue. Lucky for me, I found my now husband in Toronto and I convinced him to move with me back to Calgary. I am truly looking forward to transitioning next year.
Best of luck to you all.
Born and raised in Toronto. Yup I'm planning on leaving to South America where my family is from in the next year or so. Toronto has lost its edge and I'm over it. To dam expensive. My sister (may she rest in peace) moved to Alberta from Toronto and absolutely loved it and never looked back when she was alive.
K bye!
@Alexis, Its sad that your sister passed, but at least she lived somewhere she loved.
That is a big decision to move to S. America, but since your family is there, its understandable.
You’re not the only one I’m from Montreal moved to Alberta when I was 5 years old and as a 23 year old right now living in Edmonton for 18 years I’m planing to move to Texas or Mexico. I hate Canada as a whole is full of shit
@@tuneunleashed Why? I understand wanting to leave Montreal but you live in a good region. Do you want your kids to experience school shootings & violence?
Housing price is ridiculous in Toronto. It is going to cause a lot of mental health issues.
Im from Calgary and what I have noticed is alot of people are moving to Calgary and then moving up to Edmonton for more stable options (which does explain why Edmontons higher growth rate). You missed out a political portion where Edmonton votes more progressively, and the rest of the province is generally conservative which people also consider when moving here. Each city has similarities , however very notable differences. This is coming from someone who lived in both alberta cities
Edmonton is like the Austin of Alberta, much prefer the vibe there
You're right as far as Edmonton voting progressives. I left Canada Edmonton for California many years ago and recall Calgary voting solidly Conservativet while Edmonton could
always be counted on for voting in Liberals. I'm thinking of moving back to Canada and my preference is Quebec.
At this point, I'm moving to Nunavut...
Right?! 🥵
Stop raising the rent prices... 💯
Then start f*cking BUYING!
This is why I love your show, the topics are so relevant! I just had this conversation with someone at a restaurant.
My parents moved to Toronto in the 80's. At that time, it was really booming. My dad was in the trades and made a lot of money. There were many opportunities then. We ended up moving back to Toronto, though. However, it also, appears if one buys a house there, prices so far do not appreciate.
It is shocking and sad to hear people pay 50% - 70% of their income to housing.
I'm a Torontonian whose BFF moved to Edmonton 2 years ago... and she's been trying to convince me to make the move since. I've visited, and there are definite trade-offs. Utilities [in Edmonton] are high, certain foods are unavailable or pricey, car ownership is a must, the city's vibe is tamer and dating is 👀.
Sarita, I'm confused, utilities are high in Edmonton or Toronto? Would you consider moving to Edmonton?
@@camelliam.4235 utilities are high in Edmonton. I'm considering it. We'll see if the universe agrees with me moving west this year.
How is dating in Edmonton?
@@Silly_comb, IMO, pretty grim. I'm sure others would say differently, but that was my experience.
If you come to Alberta help us stay as a conservative, and more independent province. It’s what keep us Alberta, and strong
I'm gonna build a tiny home or buslife/vanlife and might just end up in Nova Scotia from Montreal. Sh*t is getting f*cked up everywhere. *sigh*
I literally discussed this with my Mom today. I'm not sure I can move to Alberta because I love Toronto but if she does I may change my mind a few years after her.
Hello from Austin Texas. I have been to Toronto and Vancouver. I have never been to Alberta.
so what is your point?
@@beverleyreid563 😂😂😂😂
If you come to Alberta it been like home for you
@@beverleyreid563I think she made her point.
Cost of living and pay should be legislated, minimum wage should be 25 an hour/ 48000 yearly and furthermore not taxed either. Subsidized rents for anyone making less than 65000 yearly.
Move to Cuba
@YHuss how clueless and deceptive. That's not how economics work.
My nephew lives in Edmonton and has created a good life for himself in the trades. I hear the film industry is getting a kick-start in Alberta as well, which is great! What's upsetting about Toronto and Ontario, in general, is that the economy improved during lockdown because a lot of people (noted that not everyone got it, and some had trouble getting it as self-employed individuals, which is a whole other can of worms!) had money coming in with CERB. A lot of people like myself who are older got laid off and were forced to work in the gig economy. I had a cushion for basics like food and shelter. If there was a universal basic income put into place, rent control reinstated, and the focus was not put just on home ownership, I think people would consider staying. Now, if they could only improve the TTC...LOL🙃
What about BC, I heard 70.00 plus have left BC to Alberta
One of the biggest issues regarding housing and general affordability is zoning regulations in Toronto. Did you know that ~66% of residential land in Toronto is only zoned for detached single family housing? If we simply eliminated this it would automatically open up plenty more rental units, create more walkable communities, and ease traffic
its changing now
They changed it finally! All residential lots can be used for duplexes/triplexes!
My son is 21 yrs old an he is looking into moving to Alberta.
He should go and spread his wings.
Rural Alberta is indeed very Conservative. But would respectfully suggest that the big cities (most notably Edmonton and to a lesser extent Calgary) are more Liberal/Left wing than much of the RoC. Certainly the east coast. Most people in the big cities are moderates. Just families and average people seeking prosperity.
I moved to Calgary last year as a POC and while housing is going up people still have options here over Toronto. People have been more friendly and welcoming here than Toronto of the 4 years I have been there. Def a great place to live with great communities outside of downtown core.
How is there? POC as well leaving Toronto to a Calgary end of the year
Well they t fake
There's plenty of POC in Calgary, it's an oil province so we get lots of educated people from oil nations around the world. Large Nigerian, Arab, Pakistani, Venezuelan communities. But don't move here to vote liberal or NDP, the reason the standard of living and quality of life is so high is because don't vote in socialism.
@@Peglegkickboxer nope oil is at it peak, so it is not what it is it
@@teestrees5839 It's at it's peak but Alberta isn't getting that much oil growth, especially the massive growth it got in the late 2000s, because there's little expansion. Due to heavy regulation and max pipeline+rail capacity the oil sand mines and SAGD operations are still only working on their current projects and smaller expansion. You could say they learned their lesson after the 2014 crash. The oil companies also have to make up losses after 8 years of an oil crash.
People in the GTA complain about the crisis so much that its like a number 1 casual starter topic. But if you ask most if they're willing to leave they'll say NO! "I love the 6"
I would consider it you never know what the future holds.🎯💯🤔
Expand outwards, promote tiny house living and get those permits going! Imagine if we had a small plot of land for a reasonable price, solar panels, our own garden and a cheap electric vehicle, it's possible! The gov't can help with this. Also improve transportation as in EUC's, electric skateboards, scooters etc so when you're far out of the city, you don't have to spend an arm and a leg for public transportation.
Sounds like a great idea. Just keep that goofy shit out east.
@@bigsyrup8567 Goofy shit? Like what?
@@KyleRuggles In Alberta, taking responsibility of any kind -- for the environment, for others, for the greater good, for basic common ethical decency -- is considered goofy shit.
@@TT-fq7pl yeah sounds bout it, Alberta, Canada's Florida, eh?
@@KyleRuggles Generally, yes. But Edmonton is not quite as bad. And to be fair, there are many Canadians, especially in southern Ontario, whose values are comfortably Floridian. We're not a particularly caring or intelligent nation.
We clearly have an income problem or else ppl would be able to live and not have to resort to food banks and finding affordable housing
LOL Torontonians dont want to work heavy labour or work skilled trades in Ontario. how do you expect them to last in oil & gas fields during Alberta winters
Give them office jobs in Alberta !! They can sit and cozy in air conditioned offices and get paid 5k a month for staring at the walls
Chinese Gestapo now in Toronto so yes! Also bank runs are coming fast get your Bills out while you still can 💸
Don't move here. The prices are going up and there is such a limit on rentals. In Calgary at least.
I moved here because its pleasant, peaceful, a sense of community exists and people seem happy. If you do not practise all of these traits DON'T MOVE HERE AND WREAK IT FOR THE REST OF US!
That's all well and good. But is Alberta diverse? Looked white as hell when I visited multiple times.
The province has 200k Black People as a whole! Calgary and Edmonton have more Black People.
As it should be. Multiculturalism is a disease and should be kept at arm’s length. Stay in your hive cities out east if you want that filth.
We have lots of Philippines and Thailand Vietnam I've noticed in calgary, they are just very cliquey. So they don't appear in the background unless you know where to find them. But that's mostly by choice of cultural values, in relation to the family. But still always nice people. Even the homeless in calgary are mostly polite. I live in the core and walk around it frequently.
I call Alberta ,lil’India now, so no,I don’t feel it’s all white at all.
Mayors of Edmonton & Calgary are both brown,& both cities are multi cultural.
So many white people is bad? Sounds kinda racist
Great info bro. Thinking to move Red Deer or Edmonton from Toronto. In GTA no more respect for your hard work not even talking about money.
Red Deer and Edmonton are drastically different. Red Deer is a small city and has a more Rural conservative feel. Vs Edmonton which is more progressive metropolitan and has far more culture. Definitely not the nightlife of Toronto but has incredible festivals. And staples like ballet symphony opera theatre art gallery etc. Urban city vs rural town. So depends what lifestyle you want.
@@TH-tl6sy bro considering inflation in Canada am worryied about food, clothing and shelter. Nightlife is a forgotten thing for me lol. Thanks bud
Pls keep that Toronto bs out east😂
As a fellow Torontonian who left in 2015, nothing will make the city "affordable." Prices skyrocketed in the early aughts, even during the 2008 recession prices were climbing. There's never going to be a bubble that bursts in the housing market. Toronto has too much bureaucratic rot, high expenses, high taxes and has been mismanaged for decades. This rot has been creeping to neighboring GTA cities, which only continues to raise the cost of living. Ontario is a giant red flag. Get out while you can. Head to Saskatchewan or Alberta. Quebec is great if you're bilingual. And Winnipeg is a goldmine if you can stomach their winters.
As a victim of bureaucracy agree 100% can testify to the accuracy of your description. It is more like Franz Kafka's hometown than anything else
I moved to Calgary from Toronto last Dec. Just as one of your opening scenes expressed...I fell in love with the Mountians and was tired of the Toronto vibe. I encourage anyone looking for a change from the Toronto scene to NOT COME TO CALGARY! It's all mine! jokes jokes...oh and I'm a "person of color" and have no issues out here...very friendly people. Just watch out for the druggies....they are so far non violent....but I've had my car broken into...and my girl's bike stolen from our garage....apparently this is a rite of passage for all Albertans.... 36 years in T.O....never violated...just sayin..
I am a person of colour, moved to Alberta from Ontario and I simply love it. That being said, please don't encourage liberals to move here and make it another "Toronto" infested with drugs, homelessness, gun crimes, long wait times for medical assistance, high rents & high prices in housing sector. Both the major cities in Alberta have their share of problems but not none are as bad as Toronto, just leave them alone please.
You nailed Alberta rat free let’s keep it that way
They can start by forgiving student loans
You can start by paying off the loans you took out. That's what adults do.
As an Albertan I love the idea of people moving here from elsewhere and changing the demographics of the province. Not sure everyone moving to Calgary would achieve that though. Pros and cons both ways. Better prices in Alberta but better cultural quality of life in Toronto.
In other words, a lot of white people are bad? Sounds like textbook racism to me. You're a pig
Lol you belong in Toronto than if just coming here for better prices don’t come you won’t fit in
@@peterbutz642 I was born and raised here lil fella. I'm happy to see it changing from a right wing crap hole into something better.
@@pho-kingsoup8126 Will I was born and raised here worked and enjoyed all the benefits of my wonderful province And it takes all kinds to make this the best province in Canada If you hate it so much what keeping you here because your attitude you brings nothing of value
@@peterbutz642 Go back to sleep little one. See there's this thing called "freedom" and it isn't a one way street...if we turn into a right wing nut house turning into a theocracy like the US, it'll start here because of people like you who can't deal with criticism.
Moved from Toronto back in 2019 and moved to Calgary, Best decision made hands down !
Ontario is holding us hostage and as soon as Alberta captures enough of us deflectors it will too. But for now moving out of Ontario is our only leverage to battle unaffordablity.
Let’s be honest, Ontario isn’t a beautiful province nature wise. It’s the diasporic communities of Africa the Caribbean and else where that people are drawn to. Without us there is no Toronto success story.
I just moved from Toronto to Calgary 2 months ago for a new job and at 30 y/o I’m finally feel like I’m able to live an adult life where I’m able to afford my own 2Bed condo and don’t have to live with my parents to afford life.
I don't know what province you're actually referring to, but Ontario is a beautiful province, nature wise. Mountains don't only equal "nature."
@@rachybaby72 Ontario is beautiful, you’re right, I’m just jaded
The problem is there are absolutely no laws here in Ontario other than the law of jungle. Bigger eats smaller, stronger eats weaker, and you ought to chose between being either a prey or a predator. These are your only options. The fix is easy but not welcome to the predators
Yes… it’s 100% time to move to calgary 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Okay stop! We're full.
Come to Alberta but if you want to keep it cost of living cheap and taxes low then leave your liberal politics back east! Also we have a homeless problem here in Calgary as well.
On the contrary, we need empathetic and community-minded people here, not more right-wing crazies just looking out for themselves.
@@TT-fq7pl if we had that our housing prices would have the same problems as Vancouver and it's gta. The lockdowns will have destroyed many people for homelessness because of drugs, specifically meth and opiates(which was a huge cover up from big pharma, which was the main reason we have this problem.) Some times you need to accept the fact especially on a governmental level, that life is an individuals game and there will always be people who make bad decisions no matter what, the best you can do for them is provide em a bed and let the local community through its churches and other local charities help them. For the most part the homeless of calgary have this and enough public areas to stay warm in the winter. It certainly is a problem and I really do hope they manage to turn theirs lives around. But in your form of caring usually just kills them sooner. It enables them to constantly live on the edge, and that will one day sooner push them to their physical limits, and potential life long drug induced injuries, from which point there become even less hope for their lives. I want to remind you that homeless have usually burned bridges with family to have gotten to actual homelessness. Or just don't have one, and if that's the case then, getting clean for life is a really important step, and quite frankly in your bid to save a few, liberals usually end up dooming the many, but never themselves until it's to late, and you end up with huge crime waves and problems like California...
Calgary, a homeless problem 😭😭 that is such a lie. Have you ever gone to TO or Vancouver?
@@TT-fq7pl the reason the standard of living and quality of life is so good is because your so called right wing crazies. We get tons of great diverse people here, we just don't vote socialist. Stop voting socialist.
@@Peglegkickboxer no, Albertans like to vote for a government where the Minister of the Environment is a convicted poacher and the Minister Responsible for the Status of Women is actually a man. You can't make this stuff up. Social democracy, by the way, is simply capitalism with a mild amount of ethical responsibility. Not so terrifying.
Bye Ontario!
All your suggestions for your city are more intrusive government interventions: rent control, regulated wages, more gov infrastructure. Meanwhile, people across North America are visibly fleeing "big government" zones, from Toronto to California. Read the tea leaves, pal! Government isn't your friend.
Ontarians will need to adapt to the conservative values period. I am a person of colour and I can tell you they were very welcoming when I lived there. And the reason why it’s affordable is because of the long conservative government. The liberals destroyed Ontario it’s sad. And Alberta is very welcoming.
Grotesquely inaccurate. It's affordable because of the ridiculous wealth generated by the fluke geological luck of having oil resources, most of the profits of which have been and continue to be funnelled off to foreign companies and the wealthiest 1% of the province. Alberta also is no more welcoming than anywhere else.
that is facts one of the reasons Im moving there its stable. there government is doing well for its citizens Ontario is fucked and its not going to get better
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Born and raised in Vancouver/ Vancouver Island, and moved to Calgary 10 years ago, I think once you leave your liberal echo chamber you will find the reasons why so many vote conservative out West( I know I did). We are not a bunch of uneducated racist red necks ( we voted for the first muslim mayor in a major North American city and currently have minority mayors in both Calgary and Edmonton. I have a good paying job with low taxes and an affordable mortgage on a 2300sf house to raise my family. I get to work with wonderful people from around the world, Pakistan, India, Yemen and China to name a few. multiculturalism is alive and well here. Come out this way and see for yourselves.
Just talked about this with my family. I'm hesitant about Alberta because of my lack of a driver's license. Otherwise Edmonton would be my option over Calgary because Calgary doesn't put fluoride in their drinking water. That's a deal breaker for me. Anybody who has "values" ass backwards enough to let children grow up with cavities doesn't deserve my time. A friend of mine is in Edmonton for job training and it's my experiment to see if things are too good to be true. Crossing my fingers that Alberta is a viable option.
pray for you. Trust in God alone
Housing is a human right and especially in a country with an extremely cold climate this is critical. We have politicians that allowed developers to turn the city's housing into a business of commerce and very rarely does one get the quality housing that equates the cost. This is what happens when you have failed leadership that does not have mechanisms in place to support a variety of people to generate income based on their gifts, talent and skills. We also have a brilliant young man who built tiny homes as a solution for the homless and to give those unhoused dignity. The mayor and the other leaders at city hall dragged him through the legal system. This is not strength or real power when you are in a position to crush someone who does not have the resources to fight you and you do. This is a act of great human weakness.
Not feeling Alberta ... lol
Who knows, maybe that's their exact plan. Drive out the lower income folks and attract the rich. It's working! Ugh!
Not really. The rich gets rich from the poverty of the poor. The rich needs us and depends on us!
Stoping moving here ffs!! stay in the east! life is better there..
True story
I lived in Alberta for 10 years from Ontario and moved back to the GTA. It’s beautiful, family oriented but there isn’t much to do. I also love the multiculturalism of Ontario.
Oh no Alberta doesnt look appetizing with people there trying to get sovereignty from Canada. I would look elsewhere.
That is a very specific, small group of people. Not the majority..
Well canada keeps us down so...
Alberta is gonna become the next NDP hot spot. Just look how Alberta is now truly competitive provincial with the NDP making in roads in Calgary unthinkable 20 years ago
God help you if that happens. Everyone will be fleeing from a socialist Alberta if that ever happened.
Honest opinion I would rather chill with the rednecks out here in Calgary and buy my house and go on vacations doing something I am overqualified to do rather than be poor in Toronto stepping outside of my home watching people shot drugs and worrying about where my next rent payment is coming from without any hope of moving up in income despite getting more and more education.
PS: Opinion is coming from someone who lived in Toronto for several years studied university in the Niagara region for 4 years...moved to Grande Prairie Alberta for 3 years afterwards lived in Calgary for 3 years moved back to Toronto (due to having to deal with too much systemic racism on a daily basis in Alberta and expecting a second baby wanting to be closer to immediate family and was offered a "better job opportunity" which was definitely a scam in the end) and leaving Toronto 3 years later to come back to Calgary. I haven't regretted my move back at all and won't go back to Toronto ever, only to visit Family. The more minorities that move here the more conservative views will adjust. Don't let that stop you! Plenty of us out here.
Which is better for conservative values Edmonton or Calgary?
Conservative values is what makes it a desirable place to be. What? You want to make it into ontario? Isn't there a reason why you left?
Toronto better!!!! Go leafs go Stanley cup champs this year!!!!
🤣🤣 So glad you all think Toronto, is a shining beacon in the middle of a black hole, and you have to move out of province for affordability.
Easy, don't bring your eastern politics
Or your drama,
Work,
Don't cause trouble
Don't move to Alberta. It's boring here. Let us Albertans bare it on you behalf 😁
Until Toronto realizes that is merely a PART of Canada instead of ALL of Canada nothing will change. I have lived in other countries and couldn't believe that many in those countries think Toronto IS the Country! Sure Toronto is BIG, but it is a far cry from the best. I live in a "loser" province that has seemingly stagnated, but, even so, we who live here sure as hell wouldn't move to Toronto. I mean christ! They won't even support their CFL team (which blows NFL crap away) I think Toronto is slowly becoming an embarrassmet. Yous are no better than the rest of your fellow Canadians, so quit looking down on the rest of the country. \m/
Conservative Alberta doing great liberal Toronto doing bad what does this tell you??
We in the west don’t want the east problems.
I don't like this, I grew up in alberta I'm native American, and I'm a die hard oilers fan, I don't want torontonians coming here they are rude and will take over alberta
direct , not rude.
@@torink8229 see what I mean? They gotta be reminding me how stupid I am
@@unchainedabomination7228 It’s not calling you stupid per se, you’re just being ignorant and generalizing that we are all the same. you’re the one being rude…
@@torink8229 Shut your ahh up
@@tuneunleashed Why are you being such a snowflake? I’m literally just speaking the truth you albertans are so sensitive.
Vancouver is just as bad or worse.
Don't move to Alberta if you are bringing the politics that ruined your home province.
Dude, Calgary has produced or been home to pretty much every evil piece of shit conservative politician in Canadian history.
Let's even things out a bit.
You lost me at Alberta. Alberta keeps shooting their future selves in the foot by keeping taxes too low and then when the price of oil goes down, their economy bottoms out, and they wonder why.
thats not true lower taxes is one of the reasons ppl move there instead of sask, Manitoba and the maritimes. Alberta also has the most millionaires in Canada
@@Gillz34 People moving there because of lower taxes doesn’t change the fact that the low taxes screws the province whenever the price of oil goes down. As for Alberta having the most millionaires, first off that’s not true, secondly, who cares if half your provinces becomes unemployed the moment oil dips below a certain price.
And show me a province with high taxes and everyone is flocking there???
What an idiotic person. We need taxes to be prosperous? That makes zero sense. We are prosperous despite high taxes. We got low taxes and attract lots of business from high tax zones.
Stop calling yourself ‘People of Colour’ and expect to be treated differently. That’s another form of discrimination and racism that only backfires on you. If you want to be treated equally, get rid of the victim’s mindset.
Don't Ontario Our ALBERTA.