Spreading the Gospel about conversion. o_0 I came in for an Anvil conservation video, and got a Billy Graham revival... >_< Let me preach the wonders of conversion brothers and sisters... ^_^ I'm a believer Reverend Mark, halleluiah and pass the oil... ~_^
Mark, I wish our high school / university lab had someone like you teaching us how to make... well, anything! It would have made me appieciate design tech so much more!
Although it's not the first time I've seen this on Anvil, I'm always amazed at the process and especially the results. Thanks for posting all your videos.
The conversion process is so simple, a shame so many fine old firearms suffered from the attack of the 50 wire wheel. Once that's done, there ain't no going back.
I keep a bottle of cold blue handy and blue some of my tools. I have dabbled in rust bluing but some people don’t like it when I boil a hammer head in a pot on the stove.
OMB... brother I could have used you 25 years ago when I was a dealer. But heck you're schooling me and I'm killing it purchasing old rusty's and fix'n them up.. Buy low sell high... laughing all the way to the bank! Keep it up you're a jewel...
@@marknovak8255 One thing about that tank that is worrying though is the exposed Kaowool, that stuff is very nasty if the fibers get into your lungs, you should think about covering it with something so that you aren't breathing those in whenever they get disturbed.
I just actually made some ammo for the rifle I conserved With the help of your non-tutorial videos. Guy at the shop sure did look at me funny when I said I was loading .43 Spanish.
You know, I wonder, How did an E-div Chief, a 51-Chief, get so into mechanical stuff? I'm just waiting for you to start looking for a 480V 400 amp load center to plug your drill press into. Btw, I like how you fixed your starter on that salvaged lathe. Nice save. -Dave
The control box was burned out. Reverse engineered the controls and interlocking. It's all up under the bench. Not bad for the 50 bucks I gave for it, eh? I went to the recruiter 2 weeks after Reagan announced the 600 ship Navy, to be a gunners mate. Got a 99 on the ASVAB, they made me an EM Nuke. My mom still thinks I was a piano player in a French whorehouse. I don't want to let her down, so shhhhhhhhhh.........
@@marknovak8255 One of the things that a lot of the New improved Navy doesn't understand was the transitional phase between classes, 37's and 88's, that time period was especially hard on people in the divisions you had a hand in. It isn't like it is today. Just like 40's and the 26's. It took some flexible people to get that underway.
I have sent many people from Reddit your way. Anytime I see someone post a rusty gun and say something like "I need to get the wire brush and clean this up" I hope I have saved at least one original finish...
I got a sweet sixteen im gonna duracoat it had real bad chemical damage all the engravings were removed to smooth the pitting by the previous owner so no collectors value got an almost complete gun for 150$ it aint pretty but it'll be a nice all weather quail gun when im done and I'll be able to hunt with an A5 but wont have to take my nice ones out in 90% humidity
Your videos are awesome. Thank you! I confess that I inherited 3 shotguns 100+ years old and an 18th Century Brown Bess musket, none of which have been cared for properly. Oh and an 1871 Remington Rolling Block that’s in just awful condition. NO - I am not going to start on the Brown Bess. There are a couple of nasty .22 rifles that should be good test subjects.
Just this past weekend I bought 6 guns from an estate. 3 were SxS percussion shotguns, one a Wesley Richards. The passed collector lived right on the bay (salt water) and didn't take care of his valuable firearms. The SXS shotguns have rusty bores, my question is do I go straight into the tank? Or do I try to get some of the loose mung out first? After conversion I guess use the oil free 4-O steel wool on a pistol drill. Great videos Mark!
Sir I’m working on a Sauer & Sohn 12ga for a customer of mine. Having trouble getting the floor plate screw out of the bottom for disassembly to clean. Do you have any recommendations? I’ve tried repeated applications of Kroil and some heat already. Thanks for your time. Enjoy your channel
Hi! Thank you for sharing your knowledge here! Your videos are amazing. Could you tell with kind of "metal wheel" you use to remove rust without attacking the original bluing ? A link or a reference so I can buy the same type on the internet ? Thank you!
Ive got an ancient 97 Winchester in dire need of rust conversion. I just need to find a suitable tank. The thing is almost as long as a flintlock musket.
In addition to the gutter mentioned there's also an old Anvil video where a steam pipe is demonstrated, I think it was just a loosely capped PVC pipe on top of a pot of boiling water. As I recall it was mentioned that's the way it was done large scale anyway, as steam was readily available in old factories.
The full conservation video is ReUploading now. No bandwidth at the shop. Home telecom is crap, so I have to do the upload from home . Gutter fab shown there
Quick question, my krag sporter I bought took 4 1/2 hours to clean and it started like the Beretta barrels and I got it cleaned pretty good. it looks like the rear of the action is sort of blued but the barrel is just white, with many black spots of patina, I still wipe it down from time to time and it still comes off silver black after I wipe the barrel. Is that just the left over bluing, I did have to do use ultra fine steel wool and hoppes due to not being able to boil the barrel and action
Is there any concerns with using the boiling water conversion on twist steel barrels? I have a 1907 Parker 12 bore PH Model that are marked Twist that I would like to conserve. Appreciate any thoughts.
i have another question....where did you get the reducers or arbors for your buffer shaft to get it down to the carding wheel size...or did you make them yourself?????
My friend bought a 93 Marlin that had been a closet queen for 80 plus years back east .Nice bore, nice wood outside plum brown receiver still showed case colors. I begged him to let me do the conservation to it with no avail. Rifles like that one are rare in Montana. Local Sourced guns of that vintage look like they rode in the back of the wagon with dog and barbwire and the put in the barn rafters till grandson found graps old cowboy gun and ran a few old corrosive shells threw it before someone found out about it. Then when the new owners of the ranch from California were tearing down the old barn found it and took it to the gun show and trying to sell it $5000 because it has character and nice patina.
Great to see some old side by sides in your videos.. Is that JP Sauer set a laminated barrel? Do you worry about any gaps in the rib that would cause rust to build up under it between the barrels after boiling? Big fan! Keep up the great work Mark!
Thank you for the conversion tingles. This damnedable toilet flange for the ss pot still! Menards stopped carrying 'odd' sizes of PVC fittings, so still trying to source that.
@@marknovak8255 Steam tube build short video! Haha, I hate to need my hand held, and have thought about just using a 4" closet flange and just putting long bolts through to hold the 6" tube on, but thinking water will run down the inside of tube, leak out of the flange onto the pot lid, and then up over the edges of the lid onto my burner. If not that, thought about a 4" flange with a $20 4" to 6" reducing/increase fitting, and just allowing it to neck down at the base. Not ideal either though.
Loved watching this video, I have an regular old Mossberg shotgun that needs rest removal and stock repair. I have to ask how much your labor charge is...... so it's probally too much 😅😂😅😂
Are you kidding me ? This wheel causes cancer . You sir are living very dangerously . 😂 your videos are amazing and I enjoy them all a great deal . Carry on
Hell don't u know the fresh mountain air causes cancer in the State of California ! The freaking brains r fried out there ! I think all the common sense has been bred out of humanity out there !
When I first saw the double barrels I thought "oh goody we'll see the Gunsmith solder some loose ribs". Aw waaa, another bluing video. ;-) interesting none the less.
@@marknovak8255 Great video. I watched a gunsmith in my area do it. There was a lot more smoke when he did it than you. I know it's a lot of work and if you do it wrong you can end up doing the whole thing over. Thanks for posting and I hope people don't hot blue their shotguns.
Hi, I have watched several of your vids... very interesting.... and I know this an older one... but I have a question..... I have a 20 gauge double shotgun... steel barrels... but they have a few small dents in them... now my question is of course... Can these dent be taken out or at least partly??? Thanks
When boiling the barrels & then carding , what do you do about the inside of the barrels , how do you clean them after boiling . Do you use a brass brush to card the sling swivels? Would this be the best way to go on some milsurp rifles that I have ?
You do not apply the rust bluing solution to the inside of the barrels so there is no need to do any thing to the inside of the barrels. After boiling you just oil the inside of the barrels. (In normal rust bluing.) If you need to remove rust from inside the barrels it can be done with a brass brush (possibly wrapped in fine steel wool).
@@wadekirby8575 Exactly but if more applications and boiling needed I wouldn't oil the bores yet, just dry out with a bore rod and shop roll otherwise the oil will contaminate the water. Polish bores an oil when finished.
QUESTION: I was given a small set of carding wheels that are a variety of stiffness but are a nylon or other polymer. I have bought an old Coast to Coast 20ga pump that was mostly in the garage on the farm. Can or should I use the new wheels. I'm curious of how it will turn out. A lot of mung but blue underneath.
@@marknovak8255 Thank you for the answer. I am a kinda talented amateur, and I like to acquire skills. You will never see my attempt at checkering. Or 2nd 3rd, 50th. But this I can do.
While I may trust Mark to use his skill and discretion with a wire wheel, I do not trust *myself*!! So when I have a similar project, I use a wad of *copper wool* soaked in ATF to gently persuade the rust blemishes to fade away. I use long, lengthwise strokes wherever possible. It does take an incredibly long time, but I'm not paid by the hour, like Mark. And with extremely tough rust, I might resort to 0000 steel wool and ATF. I have successfully used this method on several rifles, and on a couple, even blue touchup was unnecessary! Thanks, Mark!
The wheel used here is a .0025" carding wheel, NOT a wire wheel. That's why I stuck my finger in the card while it was running, and showed the part number and where to get one if you wanted to use power.
@@briankli 4 pole motor, 1800rpm ish. I was given that long shaft Baldor buffer a long time ago by a former smith, but you don't need anything near that complex
@@marknovak8255 Thanks, mark! (I'm nervous about using power, but that's just me...) Do you ever use ATF or other oils to help carry away the rust? great video!!
@@marknovak8255 Thank you! I would love to have a buffer setup like yours but I think I'll just have to make do with the carding wheel attached to my drill press. Thanks again and thanks for the passing of knowledge! It is greatly appreciated!
i looked in your other videos but only found your snippet about building a conversion tank, did you do a full on video on your conversion process? Have you looked at any of the water based chemical rust removers on the market?
We haven't moved all of the older videos over to this page yet. Uploading the full conservation video now, standby........But it was dropped from its former playlist on the other site.
He told me I could, but I would LOVE for him to do that video. I have a CMP M1 that’s in nice shape but definitely needs this. Hey I’d volunteer my M1 too!
Will this conservation process work on a hot dipped blue finish? Will it look right? I've got a 1960s Ithaca 37 that kinda looks like that old 1887 in a few places. Like brown oil soaked rust. Other less handled places still have the original finish. It shoots great and I wanna keep it going. I'm afraid if I boil it out and card it it'll look splotchy, like rust blued in some spots and hot dipped in others.
Sorry for the delay, just saw this. Hot dip is tricky, sometime you can, sometimes not. Convert first, and take a look. You may be surprised. If not, strip it down and start fresh.
@@marknovak8255 I might try to start fresh on a low value pawn shop scatter gun first. This was my grandfather's shotgun, and if I louse it up my mother will surely cause harm to me. I just want to stop it before the pitting goes from barely visible to letting light in. I actually considered waiting until she dies so I wouldn't have to admit to her if i screwed it up.
@@rgbgamingfridge The gun I'm working on is a pump action. I don't think there's a soldered joint on it. I'm by no means an expert at anything, but I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have dropped an old set of tubes in hot salts, already knowing that ribs are soldered on. I question the common sense of that guy. You know, from up here on my high horse. And I'm planning to boil it in water not hot dip it. I'm doing this in my garage. I'm not sure im even set up to get that amount of bluing solution that hot. It's like 350f or something. My little Coleman white gas stove is gonna get a workout with that.
Your videos are great, I'm going to share them with my dad (a former Navy Machinist Mate and bubblehead). A quick question about the boiling/conservation: are you using regular tap water? I've seen other videos and web-pages that say use distilled water only. I'd guess that having as few additional minerals and chemicals (copper, chlorine, fluoride, etc...) in the mix to interfere with the rust reaction is best. But in your experience, does it make a difference?
Hey mark, have any tips to clean a smoke damaged inland m1 carbine stock? Bought this gun from a shop that caught fire for a whole $30 luckily most guns were ok besides rust(from the obvious)and smoke damage..just need a product reccomendation, hopefully something i dont need to order. i was thinking murphys oil soap on a rag.
In reference to any conversion under the barrel ribs. Will oil/kerosene soaking stop the remaining oxidation not able to be carted odd from developing?
Followed your process with great interest, however in none of the clips I've found do you mention how you clean up the bore after conversion boiling. Bronze brush on a rod?
@@marknovak8255 At risk of sounding like an idiot, in the case of a shotgun wouldnt firing a shell or three of small birdshot tend to clean scuzz out of the barrel?
@@thenewBH Scuzz, rust, cosmoline, wads, plastic.....are all bore obstructions. All of which must not be present in order to safely fire a round. Just my opinion
@@marknovak8255 The barrels have been boiled out, you've had your hands on them, you've looked down them 100x, what obstruction do you anticipate there to be from surface rust when the projectile diameter is maybe 1/10 that of the bore? In the case of a rifled barrel or a slug? Perhaps. Loose shot? Zero chance.
Mark, towards the end of the video you mention that one set of barrels needed to be converted at least 3-4 more times. Just curious if you meant straight boil for 3-4 times then card at the end, or boil and card, repeat 3-4 times
czcams.com/video/rShG_F85W1Y/video.html ReUploaded this video that takes a much deeper look at the process and the gear to accomplish it.
Spreading the Gospel about conversion. o_0 I came in for an Anvil conservation video, and got a Billy Graham revival... >_< Let me preach the wonders of conversion brothers and sisters... ^_^ I'm a believer Reverend Mark, halleluiah and pass the oil... ~_^
How does a person contact you for a quote on working on a rifle
@@shawnalexander2866 IF YOU HAVE TO ASK ECT. :-)
Rust bluing is something I could watch time and again. Thank you Mark, for taking the time to show us the gunsmithing gnome's trade.
I set up to do this in my shop after watching your earlier videos on nthe process, and have saved about 2 dozen barrels since.
OUTSTANDING
Mark, I wish our high school / university lab had someone like you teaching us how to make... well, anything! It would have made me appieciate design tech so much more!
There is no telling how many wonderful firearms you have saved from the scrap yard thanks to these videos.
Mark ASMR channel is the best on youtube
I wonder if Mark really gets ASMR... I guess we could call his generation pre-headphones?
@@slaughterround643 Oh I get it, like listening to any gal with an Aussie accent talk......
Although it's not the first time I've seen this on Anvil, I'm always amazed at the process and especially the results. Thanks for posting all your videos.
Mark. We need more videos!! You’re literally my favorite channel on the tube of yous.
What happens to the barrel bore? How do you fix the innards?
MAGIC! Like watching a beautiful butterfly emerge from it's chrysalis. Amazing work Mark!
Thank you Mark. At least now I know the right questions ask, and some of the answers. So helpful when dealing with all the Experts out there.
The conversion process is so simple, a shame so many fine old firearms suffered from the attack of the 50 wire wheel. Once that's done, there ain't no going back.
Who knew the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy had entries on gunsmithing.
I like patina on my knives tools and brass, but blue steel is a different story.
I keep a bottle of cold blue handy and blue some of my tools. I have dabbled in rust bluing but some people don’t like it when I boil a hammer head in a pot on the stove.
OMB... brother I could have used you 25 years ago when I was a dealer. But heck you're schooling me and I'm killing it purchasing old rusty's and fix'n them up.. Buy low sell high... laughing all the way to the bank! Keep it up you're a jewel...
Your OSB plywood steam tank covers are living up to the material's reputation and falling apart from the wet! :D
Yeah, they are kinda skank, however, results don't lie......
@@marknovak8255 One thing about that tank that is worrying though is the exposed Kaowool, that stuff is very nasty if the fibers get into your lungs, you should think about covering it with something so that you aren't breathing those in whenever they get disturbed.
@@micahreid5553 20 years in a steel mill. Im not worrying anymore
Great video Mark Can’t wait to see my1885!
Great video Mark excellent work.
Screw the wire wheel. Who made that rust removing pencil at 5:35? :)
May be a dumb question, but what do you do with the bore? Do you just clean it out like normal?
Just pull a brush and swab, like normal
Thank you!
Thanks so much for the content Mark, really appreciate your videos!
I just actually made some ammo for the rifle I conserved With the help of your non-tutorial videos.
Guy at the shop sure did look at me funny when I said I was loading .43 Spanish.
Try .577/450. The looks the same............!
@@marknovak8255 perhaps someday I'll reach that level of obscurium and unobtanium. For now my next rabbit hole is .41 long Colt
You know, I wonder, How did an E-div Chief, a 51-Chief, get so into mechanical stuff? I'm just waiting for you to start looking for a 480V 400 amp load center to plug your drill press into. Btw, I like how you fixed your starter on that salvaged lathe. Nice save. -Dave
The control box was burned out. Reverse engineered the controls and interlocking. It's all up under the bench. Not bad for the 50 bucks I gave for it, eh? I went to the recruiter 2 weeks after Reagan announced the 600 ship Navy, to be a gunners mate. Got a 99 on the ASVAB, they made me an EM Nuke. My mom still thinks I was a piano player in a French whorehouse. I don't want to let her down, so shhhhhhhhhh.........
@@marknovak8255 One of the things that a lot of the New improved Navy doesn't understand was the transitional phase between classes, 37's and 88's, that time period was especially hard on people in the divisions you had a hand in. It isn't like it is today. Just like 40's and the 26's. It took some flexible people to get that underway.
Thank You for sharing this with all of us !
I have sent many people from Reddit your way. Anytime I see someone post a rusty gun and say something like "I need to get the wire brush and clean this up"
I hope I have saved at least one original finish...
Great. The full conservation video is ReUploading now. No bandwidth at the shop. Home telecom is crap, so I have to do the upload from home
Awesome video sir thoroughly enjoyed it.
I got a sweet sixteen im gonna duracoat it had real bad chemical damage all the engravings were removed to smooth the pitting by the previous owner so no collectors value got an almost complete gun for 150$ it aint pretty but it'll be a nice all weather quail gun when im done and I'll be able to hunt with an A5 but wont have to take my nice ones out in 90% humidity
I have been converted!
My guns can testify!
That's a great lesson. Thanks.
7:38 Grobet 16.463 carding wheel
Your videos are awesome. Thank you!
I confess that I inherited 3 shotguns 100+ years old and an 18th Century Brown Bess musket, none of which have been cared for properly. Oh and an 1871 Remington Rolling Block that’s in just awful condition. NO - I am not going to start on the Brown Bess. There are a couple of nasty .22 rifles that should be good test subjects.
Just this past weekend I bought 6 guns from an estate. 3 were SxS percussion shotguns, one a Wesley Richards. The passed collector lived right on the bay (salt water) and didn't take care of his valuable firearms. The SXS shotguns have rusty bores, my question is do I go straight into the tank? Or do I try to get some of the loose mung out first? After conversion I guess use the oil free 4-O steel wool on a pistol drill. Great videos Mark!
Outstanding sir
Sir I’m working on a Sauer & Sohn 12ga for a customer of mine. Having trouble getting the floor plate screw out of the bottom for disassembly to clean. Do you have any recommendations? I’ve tried repeated applications of Kroil and some heat already. Thanks for your time. Enjoy your channel
Hi! Thank you for sharing your knowledge here! Your videos are amazing.
Could you tell with kind of "metal wheel" you use to remove rust without attacking the original bluing ? A link or a reference so I can buy the same type on the internet ?
Thank you!
Moar, MOOOAAAAARRRRR!!!!!! I love this kind of stuff!!!!
Ive got an ancient 97 Winchester in dire need of rust conversion. I just need to find a suitable tank. The thing is almost as long as a flintlock musket.
If you watch his older video on it, he shows how you can use a length of gutter as a boil tank with a camp burner
In addition to the gutter mentioned there's also an old Anvil video where a steam pipe is demonstrated, I think it was just a loosely capped PVC pipe on top of a pot of boiling water. As I recall it was mentioned that's the way it was done large scale anyway, as steam was readily available in old factories.
The full conservation video is ReUploading now. No bandwidth at the shop. Home telecom is crap, so I have to do the upload from home
. Gutter fab shown there
Mark, did you make the extension shaft for your carding wheel set-up? Thanks
Quick question, my krag sporter I bought took 4 1/2 hours to clean and it started like the Beretta barrels and I got it cleaned pretty good. it looks like the rear of the action is sort of blued but the barrel is just white, with many black spots of patina, I still wipe it down from time to time and it still comes off silver black after I wipe the barrel. Is that just the left over bluing, I did have to do use ultra fine steel wool and hoppes due to not being able to boil the barrel and action
Would you do rust conversion on a gun that's oil blacked? Also, curious of marks opinions of browning firearms lol.
Very good.
Does anyone know what bench grinder/buffer is being used with the carding wheel??
Anything done to protect the bore when bluing and etc?
Is there any concerns with using the boiling water conversion on twist steel barrels? I have a 1907 Parker 12 bore PH Model that are marked Twist that I would like to conserve. Appreciate any thoughts.
You make it look so easy, easier then getting the tubes sent 800km to the nearest gunsmith to do just that.
lol I don’t have to worry about rust here in Las Vegas where we have 3% humidity in the summer
“Convert and save ‘em!” Amen.
Thank you, Sir!
Well that was satisfying!
i have another question....where did you get the reducers or arbors for your buffer shaft to get it down to the carding wheel size...or did you make them yourself?????
mark spreading the word of conversion therapy!
Oh no :-D
Mark I have a question. Will a wool gun sock absorb the moisture on the barrel?
Mark,
I'm curious, is there oxide inside the barrels during the conversation process? If so, how do you remove it.
really small wire wheel ;)
(joking, if that wasn't obvious)
Actually, a regular bore brush works great.
And the process converts so little steel/rust that and change in the size of parts is negligible?
My friend bought a 93 Marlin that had been a closet queen for 80 plus years back east .Nice bore, nice wood outside plum brown receiver still showed case colors. I begged him to let me do the conservation to it with no avail. Rifles like that one are rare in Montana. Local Sourced guns of that vintage look like they rode in the back of the wagon with dog and barbwire and the put in the barn rafters till grandson found graps old cowboy gun and ran a few old corrosive shells threw it before someone found out about it. Then when the new owners of the ranch from California were tearing down the old barn found it and took it to the gun show and trying to sell it $5000 because it has character and nice patina.
Hate to see that happen, but they do own it, so another one bites the dust.....
Good info.
GREAT VIDEO !!!
Excellent!
Thanks
Amazing.
Great to see some old side by sides in your videos.. Is that JP Sauer set a laminated barrel? Do you worry about any gaps in the rib that would cause rust to build up under it between the barrels after boiling?
Big fan! Keep up the great work Mark!
thank you
Thank you for the conversion tingles.
This damnedable toilet flange for the ss pot still! Menards stopped carrying 'odd' sizes of PVC fittings, so still trying to source that.
Don't overthink it man. Just scab something together that works and make steam
@@marknovak8255 Steam tube build short video! Haha, I hate to need my hand held, and have thought about just using a 4" closet flange and just putting long bolts through to hold the 6" tube on, but thinking water will run down the inside of tube, leak out of the flange onto the pot lid, and then up over the edges of the lid onto my burner.
If not that, thought about a 4" flange with a $20 4" to 6" reducing/increase fitting, and just allowing it to neck down at the base. Not ideal either though.
I love seeing that nasty, rusted surface turned into blued gold.
Thank you. Was rust as bad on inside?
Can this process be used for a parkerized finish?
How do you clean the inside of the barrel. Wouldn't that get rusty after boiling too?
Rat with a toothbrush ;)
It's a shame they don't make wire brushes specifically for cleaning barrels.
...oh wait
@@wingracer1614 I want to know how HE would do it, not how you'd and/or I'd do it.
@@TheTarrMan thats is how
Just a bore brush and some oil.
Loved watching this video, I have an regular old Mossberg shotgun that needs rest removal and stock repair. I have to ask how much your labor charge is...... so it's probally too much 😅😂😅😂
Are you kidding me ? This wheel causes cancer . You sir are living very dangerously . 😂 your videos are amazing and I enjoy them all a great deal . Carry on
Hell don't u know the fresh mountain air causes cancer in the State of California ! The freaking brains r fried out there ! I think all the common sense has been bred out of humanity out there !
Yeah, the dye and ink used on the warning label they're required to put on is toxic!
Thank you Mark! Spread the gospel yall!
amazing
i like the teapot besides the boiling water tank, makes me wonder......
I need a boiling tank like that!
? l must have missed the final look job here...?
Thats neat; I've seen some guns that could have used that level of expertise instead of a stiff wire wheel.
If the barrrels were originally parkerized instead of blued, would you do the de-rusting process any differently?
Boiling converts the current rusting...and Parkerizing is a layer of phosphate...so boil, card, then re-parker....
12:21'
What is the tool being used to scrape near the muzzle? Bamboo? Brass? This is really good stuff.
Looks to me like a crimped 50 cal brass case
When I first saw the double barrels I thought "oh goody we'll see the Gunsmith solder some loose ribs". Aw waaa, another bluing video. ;-) interesting none the less.
Soldering video is up. Did you like it? czcams.com/video/ygC6mrpVz74/video.html
@@marknovak8255 Great video. I watched a gunsmith in my area do it. There was a lot more smoke when he did it than you. I know it's a lot of work and if you do it wrong you can end up doing the whole thing over. Thanks for posting and I hope people don't hot blue their shotguns.
Hi, I have watched several of your vids... very interesting.... and I know this an older one... but I have a question..... I have a 20 gauge double shotgun... steel barrels... but they have a few small dents in them... now my question is of course... Can these dent be taken out or at least partly??? Thanks
czcams.com/video/FFUXJRcqnnA/video.html
czcams.com/video/DJyegZQ8F50/video.html
These are videos from MidwayUSA's channel, hopefully this helps
When boiling the barrels & then carding , what do you do about the inside of the barrels , how do you clean them after boiling . Do you use a brass brush to card the sling swivels? Would this be the best way to go on some milsurp rifles that I have ?
You do not apply the rust bluing solution to the inside of the barrels so there is no need to do any thing to the inside of the barrels. After boiling you just oil the inside of the barrels. (In normal rust bluing.)
If you need to remove rust from inside the barrels it can be done with a brass brush (possibly wrapped in fine steel wool).
@@wadekirby8575 Exactly but if more applications and boiling needed I wouldn't oil the bores yet, just dry out with a bore rod and shop roll otherwise the oil will contaminate the water. Polish bores an oil when finished.
With boiling do you have to worry about the solder between the barrel?
Solder starts to melt around 350ish. Water boils at 212, so no worries
QUESTION: I was given a small set of carding wheels that are a variety of stiffness but are a nylon or other polymer. I have bought an old Coast to Coast 20ga pump that was mostly in the garage on the farm.
Can or should I use the new wheels. I'm curious of how it will turn out. A lot of mung but blue underneath.
Your wheels will work, probably. I have no experience with them, I surmise the worst that will happen is a lack of effectiveness, but no harm......
@@marknovak8255 Thank you for the answer. I am a kinda talented amateur, and I like to acquire skills. You will never see my attempt at checkering. Or 2nd 3rd, 50th.
But this I can do.
While I may trust Mark to use his skill and discretion with a wire wheel, I do not trust *myself*!! So when I have a similar project, I use a wad of *copper wool* soaked in ATF to gently persuade the rust blemishes to fade away. I use long, lengthwise strokes wherever possible. It does take an incredibly long time, but I'm not paid by the hour, like Mark. And with extremely tough rust, I might resort to 0000 steel wool and ATF. I have successfully used this method on several rifles, and on a couple, even blue touchup was unnecessary! Thanks, Mark!
The wheel used here is a .0025" carding wheel, NOT a wire wheel. That's why I stuck my finger in the card while it was running, and showed the part number and where to get one if you wanted to use power.
Mark, what rpm do you run that carding wheel?
@@briankli 4 pole motor, 1800rpm ish. I was given that long shaft Baldor buffer a long time ago by a former smith, but you don't need anything near that complex
@@marknovak8255 Thanks, mark! (I'm nervous about using power, but that's just me...) Do you ever use ATF or other oils to help carry away the rust? great video!!
@@marknovak8255 Thank you! I would love to have a buffer setup like yours but I think I'll just have to make do with the carding wheel attached to my drill press. Thanks again and thanks for the passing of knowledge! It is greatly appreciated!
We need more videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i looked in your other videos but only found your snippet about building a conversion tank, did you do a full on video on your conversion process? Have you looked at any of the water based chemical rust removers on the market?
We haven't moved all of the older videos over to this page yet. Uploading the full conservation video now, standby........But it was dropped from its former playlist on the other site.
@@marknovak8255 Thank you Sir
Would I do this process for my M1 Garand? It is parkerized I believe, but not sure. No videos on M1’s.....
He told me I could, but I would LOVE for him to do that video. I have a CMP M1 that’s in nice shape but definitely needs this. Hey I’d volunteer my M1 too!
How do you clean/ remove rust from a case hardened steel surface?
VERY carefully. The colors will come off unless hand carded with 0000 steel wool. Be Gentle.
Will this conservation process work on a hot dipped blue finish? Will it look right? I've got a 1960s Ithaca 37 that kinda looks like that old 1887 in a few places. Like brown oil soaked rust. Other less handled places still have the original finish. It shoots great and I wanna keep it going. I'm afraid if I boil it out and card it it'll look splotchy, like rust blued in some spots and hot dipped in others.
Sorry for the delay, just saw this. Hot dip is tricky, sometime you can, sometimes not. Convert first, and take a look. You may be surprised. If not, strip it down and start fresh.
@@marknovak8255 I might try to start fresh on a low value pawn shop scatter gun first. This was my grandfather's shotgun, and if I louse it up my mother will surely cause harm to me. I just want to stop it before the pitting goes from barely visible to letting light in. I actually considered waiting until she dies so I wouldn't have to admit to her if i screwed it up.
@@chrisblakey9116 remember that soldered double barrel shotguns wont like to be dipped in hot bluing solution ;)
@@rgbgamingfridge The gun I'm working on is a pump action. I don't think there's a soldered joint on it. I'm by no means an expert at anything, but I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have dropped an old set of tubes in hot salts, already knowing that ribs are soldered on. I question the common sense of that guy. You know, from up here on my high horse.
And I'm planning to boil it in water not hot dip it. I'm doing this in my garage. I'm not sure im even set up to get that amount of bluing solution that hot. It's like 350f or something. My little Coleman white gas stove is gonna get a workout with that.
Your videos are great, I'm going to share them with my dad (a former Navy Machinist Mate and bubblehead). A quick question about the boiling/conservation: are you using regular tap water? I've seen other videos and web-pages that say use distilled water only. I'd guess that having as few additional minerals and chemicals (copper, chlorine, fluoride, etc...) in the mix to interfere with the rust reaction is best. But in your experience, does it make a difference?
Tap water is fine for conversion of surface rust. Bluing a naked piece of polished steel is where the expensive distilled water works better.
@@marknovak8255 You sir, are the voice of wisdom!
Please get rid of that horrible noise at the beginning and the end.
Good work, Mr. Novak, keep it coming.
Mark how many times can it be boiled and carted . Will damage accur if its repeated over and over ?
I've never had to do one more than 4 times. No damage noted in that experience, just my observation
@@marknovak8255 thank you and man I enjoy the hell out of the videos you make absolutely brilliant.
woepie !!!! beetje harde was en het kan weer jaren mee !!!
Zoude ze dit kunnen vertalen daar in de US ? 🙃
Hey mark, have any tips to clean a smoke damaged inland m1 carbine stock? Bought this gun from a shop that caught fire for a whole $30 luckily most guns were ok besides rust(from the obvious)and smoke damage..just need a product reccomendation, hopefully something i dont need to order. i was thinking murphys oil soap on a rag.
In reference to any conversion under the barrel ribs. Will oil/kerosene soaking stop the remaining oxidation not able to be carted odd from developing?
I've wondered this too regarding doubles.
@ 3:55 Soup's on!!!
Fantastic! How could I get ahold of you to send in a piece of equipment ?
Hahaha good luck
Followed your process with great interest, however in none of the clips I've found do you mention how you clean up the bore after conversion boiling. Bronze brush on a rod?
Was the barrel corked or something? Do you care the inside of the barrel, assuming it’s rusted?
This process is just as effective on active rust inside the barrel.
So I guess you just run a brush through the barrel after converting to remove the surface rust?
I suppose or if the inside is not effected, cork the barrel
What about inside the barrels?
Just pull a brush and swab, like normal
@@marknovak8255 At risk of sounding like an idiot, in the case of a shotgun wouldnt firing a shell or three of small birdshot tend to clean scuzz out of the barrel?
@@thenewBH Scuzz, rust, cosmoline, wads, plastic.....are all bore obstructions. All of which must not be present in order to safely fire a round. Just my opinion
@@marknovak8255 The barrels have been boiled out, you've had your hands on them, you've looked down them 100x, what obstruction do you anticipate there to be from surface rust when the projectile diameter is maybe 1/10 that of the bore? In the case of a rifled barrel or a slug? Perhaps. Loose shot? Zero chance.
Mark, towards the end of the video you mention that one set of barrels needed to be converted at least 3-4 more times. Just curious if you meant straight boil for 3-4 times then card at the end, or boil and card, repeat 3-4 times
3 to 4 complete cycles.....boil,card,evaluate,repeat
@@marknovak8255 Understood. Currently converting my own set of barrels and have some stubborn rust spots similar to those in this video
@@inadequatefoodstuffs Consider a brass scraper (old cartridge) to take off the converted surface and re expose the red rust between passes
@@marknovak8255 Okay, I'll give it a try. I really appreciate the feedback. Your videos have been a big help for this project.
What type of carding wheels do you use?
Never mind!🤣