Poor Hallar. He tried to defend himself from all the stax effects but kept getting shut down. Was curious to see how Hallar was going to do. Good job tho! Great Games.
Yeah, Ben definitely didn't perform that loop correctly. As presented in the video, he would deck himself. Curio could bounce Chulane, but he needed it to generate mana from Cradle. Plus, he'd need to bounce different lands in order to pay non green mana costs for his creatures, so if Cradle was anywhere in the bottom 40 cards in his deck or so, he would lose. Probably required an Alluren to win. Even so, once you get to draw your deck, the likelihood of losing isn't high as long as you play it correctly, which the described loop in the video wouldn't suffice, I think.
I was trying not to speak a novel so I probably abbreviated some stuff. I can win with that loop as long as Crop Rotation, Aluren and Cradle aren't in the bottom three of my deck.
I get all my one drops out along the way, which is 10 creatures. I draw into Cradle as the fourth card from the bottom and put it on the battlefield with the Chulane trigger (library has three cards). I tap Cradle for at least 11 mana and cast Aluren. Now I can cast pretty much every creature in my deck as many times as I want. I cast some other creature drawing a card (two cards left in deck) and putting a land on the battlefield. Overburden triggers and I bounce Cradle. I cast some other creature for free and draw a card (one card left in deck) and put Cradle onto the battlefield. Cast Eternal Witness for free drawing the last card in the deck and putting some land onto the battlefield. When Witness enters, Overburden, Cloudstone Curio, and Eternal Witness trigger. I bounce some non-Cradle land with Overburden and Chulane with Curio. I get back Finale of Devastation with the Eternal Witness trigger I then proceed to cast all other three or less mana creatures from my hand for free (except Shrieking Drake and Whitemane Lion) and tap Cradle for something like 22 mana. I now have at least 29 green mana in pool and like 22 creatures which is more than enough to kill the table with a Finale of Devastation. The chances of my bottom three cards being Crop Rotation, Aluren, and Gaea's Cradle are roughly (1/n)^3 where n is the number of cards left in my library. at 75 cards in deck, this is roughly a 1 in 400,000 chance of my bottom three being exactly so. So yes, it wasn't deterministic exactly how I said it, but it was close enough not to make everyone want to sit there for 20 minutes while I did it card by card for a 1 in 400,000 chance I'd get screwed. This isn't even counting other lines I could have drawn into on the way like Lotus Cobra, Earthcraft, etc. which make my chances of fizzling even lower. Like I said, I wasn't trying to speak a novel when I was explaining my win because I wanted to keep it simple for the video. I probably mentioned I could with with either Finale of Devastation or Destiny Spinner when I was describing my win condition and they went with Destiny Spinner in the video which requires me to cast all my enchantments and get all my lands out. This is doable if I use Curio and some other enchantment to bounce Overburden along the way and continue my line with Curio until I hit Cradle. I'd probably also have to use Earthcraft or Lotus Cobra to get the blue and white mana to do that.
@@Kumathebear726, of course it was Kuma playing it. Lol. Yeah, no worries my dude. Like I said, once you get the loop it's very hard for you to lose. I think we just had a really simple description of your win in the video.
@@yanjia1777 Most likely, yes. Once I hit Cradle and can start netting mana with the loop, I can use Curio and another enchantment to bounce the Overburden. After that, I can use floating mana from Cradle to continue the loop while putting my other lands on the battlefield and casting the rest of my enchantments. If Cradle is low enough in my library I might not have enough triggers to do this, but I still had Finale of Devastation available to me
@@magnuslayton8827, yeah, but we never saw it. That's my point. He had the win for sure, but the description in the video doesn't accurately portray how he'd win.
Have you ever done an analysis of the most Valuable card over all your games? I’d be curious To see what the most valuable of the most valuable card is.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG he wouldn't get arbitrary mana without chulane on the field. He is limited to x number of loops where x is his deck size. And this depends on at which point he draws gaea cradle. Shouldn't have allowed the shortcutting as this was not a deterministic loop.
@@Zephyrferret-v7g the chulane player presented the loop to draw through until they got the cradle and cast cloudstone and two dorks. With that loop, every cradle was netting 5+ green mana each dork cast. It would have been trivial to: - Draw through the deck - Make 5+ green mana each cast of a dork with chulane dropping cradle - Bounce chulane at any point to stop the draws and prevent decking - aluren could be cast to drop all the 3 or less drops (which is almost every creature) - eternal witness to get finale and kill everyone that way or channel through spinner as they did Once they got cradle, that was all that needed to be seen
I'm happy to see a chulane deck win. I pilot a build not to far off from this, minus curio and a few others. For a more direct approach with a group mill back up
Okay, I'm not even close to finishing this video. Just want to jump right in and say that starting a game with Chalice, Sphere, Drannith, Study and a Moon on the Field is absolutely hilarious. Love it
@@kevindinh3584 yeah, but more likely they hit a mana rock or a piece of interaction. I see where you're coming from though, I always feel nervous casting a chaos warp
@@wjjajshshdbdnnsndhbauhwhshs There aren't many in red though. It can be nice to have a last resort counter for something like an Ad Naus in a supposedly uninteractive red deck.
@@wjjajshshdbdnnsndhbauhwhshs I guess? I'd still argue that cards can be a staple for a given colour if they are strong enough in mono-colour or two-colour strategies. That said, Tibalt's probably isn't strong enough outside of RG or RB, so perhaps you're right.
How many enchantments are in the Chulane deck? At the time he only had 3 enchantments on board so his lands would've been 3/3's with trample...hardly a game winning effect. Seemed a bit sloppy tbh.
didn't he also have finale in the graveyard, when he casts all his creatures and lands I'm sure he runs cards like noxious revival or ethernal witness to get back to finale to make them super huge 😊
@@official_uhuexactly, this was just the shortcut, but there was enough there. I wouldn't even call it sloppy, it's just not taking 30 minutes to resolve what can be seen as a win.
There are 12. Yeah, I was being a little sloppy because I wanted to show that it was trivially easy for me to win without spelling out every last step. I would have cast all my enchantments before using Destiny Spinner
Running a similar chulane deck....I find his way of winning through combat using Destiny spinner alot of loops when you library is already empty and you can win with a jace or a laboratory maniac...but I do love the new way I learned to close the game trough combat with it...was mostly using it for the uncounterable effect...great episode!!!
actually destiny spiner won't make land very large because it still have to count the number of enchantment.but that won't effect the game anyway.good game!
I'm fresh new to commander (diving into competitive and casual at the same time, since I like things to be balanced) and I just had a little level up moment. When Finale of devastation was cast for 3 I said "uh oh, silence time!".
I've heard of basically all the legendaries from recent sets. But Dominaria just has so many weird niche ones. I'm curious what the gameplan of Hallar is - there's got to be some combo with kicker spells?
"Interesting choices" is right. I don't understand why Greg would kill the Magus of the Moon when it is slowing his opponents down. He could have just fetched for a basic land and actually gotten ahead of the Deretti and Chulane players.
@@passprioritypodcast Mishra's Workshop tapping for 1 mana definitely slows Deretti down. A blood moon also slows Chulane down more than it does for a 4 color deck with partners, especially if you have a mana dork on the field. Greg could have fetched for a basic and have access to 3 colors on turn 3 while slowing down 2 of the players at the table.
I have a question about the Patreon tournament League, so if we become one how and when do we play with other people? Do we just message the discord and sees who’s online to play or is there set times? Thanks and great gameplay!!!
Curious as to how he won using destiny spinner as it doesn't give +x+x equal to your number of enchantments, but instead is a static gets x,x where x is the number of enchantments. I am sure they could have won via a finale of devastation instead so it doesn't really matter, but destiny spinner doesn't quite work that way.
The second I saw that Thras/Vial had Thoracle, I guessed the deck wouldn't win. Your habit of not showing any Thoracle wins lately is pretty much spoilers for decks that do run it.
Would be nice if you would learn to pronounce it correctly, I mean the Eldraine set is almost entirely based in Gaelic and Celtic mythology, so pronouncing the name right would be just the right thing to do. It's Kul-in.
It is pronounced correctly. It's a common misnomer to call it "hullen". We spoke with a person from Ireland and he confirmed that the proper pronunciation was in fact "Choo-Lane".
Poor Hallar. He tried to defend himself from all the stax effects but kept getting shut down. Was curious to see how Hallar was going to do. Good job tho! Great Games.
"During Greg's upkeep, he wipes the tears from his face" had me good haha
Yeah, Ben definitely didn't perform that loop correctly. As presented in the video, he would deck himself. Curio could bounce Chulane, but he needed it to generate mana from Cradle. Plus, he'd need to bounce different lands in order to pay non green mana costs for his creatures, so if Cradle was anywhere in the bottom 40 cards in his deck or so, he would lose. Probably required an Alluren to win. Even so, once you get to draw your deck, the likelihood of losing isn't high as long as you play it correctly, which the described loop in the video wouldn't suffice, I think.
I was trying not to speak a novel so I probably abbreviated some stuff. I can win with that loop as long as Crop Rotation, Aluren and Cradle aren't in the bottom three of my deck.
I get all my one drops out along the way, which is 10 creatures. I draw into Cradle as the fourth card from the bottom and put it on the battlefield with the Chulane trigger (library has three cards). I tap Cradle for at least 11 mana and cast Aluren.
Now I can cast pretty much every creature in my deck as many times as I want. I cast some other creature drawing a card (two cards left in deck) and putting a land on the battlefield. Overburden triggers and I bounce Cradle. I cast some other creature for free and draw a card (one card left in deck) and put Cradle onto the battlefield. Cast Eternal Witness for free drawing the last card in the deck and putting some land onto the battlefield.
When Witness enters, Overburden, Cloudstone Curio, and Eternal Witness trigger. I bounce some non-Cradle land with Overburden and Chulane with Curio. I get back Finale of Devastation with the Eternal Witness trigger
I then proceed to cast all other three or less mana creatures from my hand for free (except Shrieking Drake and Whitemane Lion) and tap Cradle for something like 22 mana. I now have at least 29 green mana in pool and like 22 creatures which is more than enough to kill the table with a Finale of Devastation.
The chances of my bottom three cards being Crop Rotation, Aluren, and Gaea's Cradle are roughly (1/n)^3 where n is the number of cards left in my library. at 75 cards in deck, this is roughly a 1 in 400,000 chance of my bottom three being exactly so. So yes, it wasn't deterministic exactly how I said it, but it was close enough not to make everyone want to sit there for 20 minutes while I did it card by card for a 1 in 400,000 chance I'd get screwed.
This isn't even counting other lines I could have drawn into on the way like Lotus Cobra, Earthcraft, etc. which make my chances of fizzling even lower. Like I said, I wasn't trying to speak a novel when I was explaining my win because I wanted to keep it simple for the video.
I probably mentioned I could with with either Finale of Devastation or Destiny Spinner when I was describing my win condition and they went with Destiny Spinner in the video which requires me to cast all my enchantments and get all my lands out. This is doable if I use Curio and some other enchantment to bounce Overburden along the way and continue my line with Curio until I hit Cradle. I'd probably also have to use Earthcraft or Lotus Cobra to get the blue and white mana to do that.
@@Kumathebear726, of course it was Kuma playing it. Lol. Yeah, no worries my dude. Like I said, once you get the loop it's very hard for you to lose. I think we just had a really simple description of your win in the video.
@@yanjia1777 Most likely, yes. Once I hit Cradle and can start netting mana with the loop, I can use Curio and another enchantment to bounce the Overburden. After that, I can use floating mana from Cradle to continue the loop while putting my other lands on the battlefield and casting the rest of my enchantments. If Cradle is low enough in my library I might not have enough triggers to do this, but I still had Finale of Devastation available to me
If you have Twister/Narset's in your deck you are flat out infinite regardless.
@@magnuslayton8827, yeah, but we never saw it. That's my point. He had the win for sure, but the description in the video doesn't accurately portray how he'd win.
I never thought I'd see a Hallar deck at the table. One of my favorite commanders.
Me too thanks
Have you ever done an analysis of the most Valuable card over all your games? I’d be curious To see what the most valuable of the most valuable card is.
Dockside
Thassa's Oracle has been the win too many times. I'm always proud when it comes down to combat damage.
Island
it’s thoracle. no doubt
The most powerful card is volcanic isla
Dang. I was really hoping on seeing Hallar go off. I was excited to see effective cedh burn haha
@@jordandietrich4236 me too for sure!!
How did he draw his entire deck and then keep casting creature spells with chulane out without decking himself?
Cloudstone Curio can bounce Chulane.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG but did he?
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG he wouldn't get arbitrary mana without chulane on the field. He is limited to x number of loops where x is his deck size. And this depends on at which point he draws gaea cradle. Shouldn't have allowed the shortcutting as this was not a deterministic loop.
It was probably easier to just draw the deck and have enough mana to Thassa's Oracle.
@@Zephyrferret-v7g the chulane player presented the loop to draw through until they got the cradle and cast cloudstone and two dorks. With that loop, every cradle was netting 5+ green mana each dork cast. It would have been trivial to:
- Draw through the deck
- Make 5+ green mana each cast of a dork with chulane dropping cradle
- Bounce chulane at any point to stop the draws and prevent decking
- aluren could be cast to drop all the 3 or less drops (which is almost every creature)
- eternal witness to get finale and kill everyone that way or channel through spinner as they did
Once they got cradle, that was all that needed to be seen
I get that most people don’t like Chulane, but it’s nice to what exactly it can do. I just hear about it all the time rather see it. Great game!
I'm happy to see a chulane deck win. I pilot a build not to far off from this, minus curio and a few others. For a more direct approach with a group mill back up
Okay, I'm not even close to finishing this video. Just want to jump right in and say that starting a game with Chalice, Sphere, Drannith, Study and a Moon on the Field is absolutely hilarious. Love it
Why isn't Tibalt's Trickery a cEDH staple yet?
Because you can roll them into their big pay offs like adnaus and pear
@@kevindinh3584 yeah, but more likely they hit a mana rock or a piece of interaction. I see where you're coming from though, I always feel nervous casting a chaos warp
It is though
@@wjjajshshdbdnnsndhbauhwhshs There aren't many in red though. It can be nice to have a last resort counter for something like an Ad Naus in a supposedly uninteractive red deck.
@@wjjajshshdbdnnsndhbauhwhshs I guess? I'd still argue that cards can be a staple for a given colour if they are strong enough in mono-colour or two-colour strategies. That said, Tibalt's probably isn't strong enough outside of RG or RB, so perhaps you're right.
How many enchantments are in the Chulane deck? At the time he only had 3 enchantments on board so his lands would've been 3/3's with trample...hardly a game winning effect. Seemed a bit sloppy tbh.
He had 4 when he destiny spinner hit, and he cast everything in his deck so i think it ended up being lethal from that.
didn't he also have finale in the graveyard, when he casts all his creatures and lands I'm sure he runs cards like noxious revival or ethernal witness to get back to finale to make them super huge 😊
@@official_uhuexactly, this was just the shortcut, but there was enough there. I wouldn't even call it sloppy, it's just not taking 30 minutes to resolve what can be seen as a win.
There are 12. Yeah, I was being a little sloppy because I wanted to show that it was trivially easy for me to win without spelling out every last step. I would have cast all my enchantments before using Destiny Spinner
Very interesting game, some very cool decks at the table
Running a similar chulane deck....I find his way of winning through combat using Destiny spinner alot of loops when you library is already empty and you can win with a jace or a laboratory maniac...but I do love the new way I learned to close the game trough combat with it...was mostly using it for the uncounterable effect...great episode!!!
That awkward moment when you spell “receive” wrong on the necropotence prize
Great game, I myself run chulane and love to see it played
I want another gameplay with this decks!! I wanna see what Hallar can do!
Hope hallar one of the few gruul commanders I like wins
You guys should try a competitive pauper edh game
Funny you should say that. Stay tuned for later this month....
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG please dont be joking...
actually destiny spiner won't make land very large because it still have to count the number of enchantment.but that won't effect the game anyway.good game!
I can cast all the rest of my enchantments from that board state and make my lands 12/12s with trample and haste
I'm fresh new to commander (diving into competitive and casual at the same time, since I like things to be balanced) and I just had a little level up moment. When Finale of devastation was cast for 3 I said "uh oh, silence time!".
i still really want to see a daretti deck win
I hate your deck has a daretti deck go off in one of their videos
wait, there's a correct way to pronounce Chulane?
Yeah, it's a Gaelic name, so it's pronounced more like HULin, with the H there being pronounced like the ch in Loch.
@@NordicRest sounds like there’s some phlegm in that pronunciation
I love chulane. I'm pushing mine to cEDH atm
why is the derreti deck not in the cedh decklist database?
Textbook cEDH chulane strategy 👏👏👏
How do you pronounce chulane if it isn’t Chue(like achoo)-lane
I've heard of basically all the legendaries from recent sets. But Dominaria just has so many weird niche ones. I'm curious what the gameplan of Hallar is - there's got to be some combo with kicker spells?
Other than an elf ball combo stategy, you really can kill people easily with him with the ability. Even giving him infect is viable.
Would love to see how Tergrid performs at a cEDH table
It's kind of easily disruptable
@@HeirophantCarneus It really is. She is a glass canon, but I love the card and would like to see how she performs.
do you have an estimate to how big the lands animated by the destiny spinner were? i didn’t understand why he cast all his creatures
I was shortcutting. Had I explained literally everything I would have cast all my creatures and enchantments before doing that
Why didn't zack pay the miscast for the rolling earthquake with the treasures he had?
Collector Ouphe was on the battlefield
collector OOF
@@michaellugo4507 got it thanks 🙏
"Interesting choices" is right. I don't understand why Greg would kill the Magus of the Moon when it is slowing his opponents down. He could have just fetched for a basic land and actually gotten ahead of the Deretti and Chulane players.
Greg, and every other 4 color player will admit that a magus of the moon is brutal. Plus it doesn’t slow down Deretti at all.
Greg is bad. Change my mind.
@@Basskin bold statement, sadly its correct.
@@passprioritypodcast Mishra's Workshop tapping for 1 mana definitely slows Deretti down. A blood moon also slows Chulane down more than it does for a 4 color deck with partners, especially if you have a mana dork on the field. Greg could have fetched for a basic and have access to 3 colors on turn 3 while slowing down 2 of the players at the table.
I have a question about the Patreon tournament League, so if we become one how and when do we play with other people? Do we just message the discord and sees who’s online to play or is there set times?
Thanks and great gameplay!!!
You can message. It is open to account for multiple time zones.
I was all in on Zach's deck....dangit.
Ben in my opinion..love to see wins with big combat damage kill the table lol..gg everyone ..did u pay the one ,did u pay the one
@playingwithpower would thrasios and kodama of the east tree be a viable cedh deck
Yes.
Wait a minute, how is Chulane actuslly pronounced?
KICKER! FINALLY A SOCC-
oh, no opposing Verazol.....
GOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL
Frick yeah mahn
That was the Rhystic Study that wouldn't go down!
Curious as to how he won using destiny spinner as it doesn't give +x+x equal to your number of enchantments, but instead is a static gets x,x where x is the number of enchantments. I am sure they could have won via a finale of devastation instead so it doesn't really matter, but destiny spinner doesn't quite work that way.
BUT I AIN'T NO HALLAR BACK GIIIRL, I AIN'T NO HALLAR BACK GRUUL
TIHI
Chulane ❤️
huh-lan teller of tails
how is chulane said "correctly"?
wabbadingawabbadobdobdoob nabbadingadimadoongadobbadeeba
I need another godo vs godo vs godo vs godo
Did you guys get rid of your $100 Patreon tier?
Too much feeding the fish (and Rhystic)
*Yankee voice* i refuse to say your name correctly
The second I saw that Thras/Vial had Thoracle, I guessed the deck wouldn't win. Your habit of not showing any Thoracle wins lately is pretty much spoilers for decks that do run it.
Ohhh hahahha post more comments like these. They’re very funny to read.
Did you even watch the No-banlist games???
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Nope, it's not a format I watch, sorry.
Wait, my girl Hallar is in CEDH?!?!
Mishras workshop with garbage basics for shame
Would be nice if you would learn to pronounce it correctly, I mean the Eldraine set is almost entirely based in Gaelic and Celtic mythology, so pronouncing the name right would be just the right thing to do. It's Kul-in.
It is pronounced correctly. It's a common misnomer to call it "hullen". We spoke with a person from Ireland and he confirmed that the proper pronunciation was in fact "Choo-Lane".
Chulane, Teller of boring Tales.
Cringe
No Chulane, trash commander