Everything Mngomezulu said should have been picked up and mentioned by the judge. Baloyi has been misleading the court for years now and the judges have been on the ride with him. The world could see the state was going NO WHERE. Thank you Adv Mngomezulu.
Thats why the people say the judge is bias, first reprimand Baloyi dont look as if this is not a total mess and ambush for the state. Be fair Judge Ratha
Is MSHOLOLO for me saying that I have never told not to sleep, waiting for coocked and fabricated documents comes by drips and drops. HAIKHONA, akuhambanga kahle Baloyi and tour team
As for our Judge zooming the bank statements that has nothing to do with Senzo's murder. Mngomezulu is 100 % correct let's deal with 2014 matter when the murder was committed, not this nonsense that Baloyi is feeding the public
What a master stroke by Advocate Mngomezulu, He made ratha understand what he meant when he said the state is cooking this case, baloyi is a shame to our justice system.
This judge is something else Adv Mshololo has put it to the court that the state is withholding evidence, the judge does not address that instead he gives the defense time to peruse new evidence
Advocate Mngomezulu is a genius he's got no time to entertain the misleading information presented by adv Baloyi to the defence pretending as if he is an honest man and yet he is not.
The accused communicated in 2018!!!!!!! WHAT!!!!? So what if the accused know each other or not? So what if they were in Gauteng when they said not (Accused 1)? It still doesn't prove they were at the Spaza shop that day. The documentary evidence in this case is lacklustre at best...the bank statements don't show any money trail among the accused or even with the alleged mastermind. The cellphone data doesn't show the call transcripts, texts, voice notes etc. What have we been listening to for the past 2 years. We still don't know how these 5 are connected to this crime.
The judge has probably been told about the petition because today he behaved like a judge. Unfortunately, it's too late, we don't want him in this trial anymore he's shown that he's compromised.
Petition my foot! The judge cannot be dictated by few individuals who support criminals. If he's bias let the JSC deal with it, I'm sure they are following the case. Ratha and Baloyi are professionals not these amateur defense lawyers who are relying on conspiracy theories.
@@dannym7593 the judge is dictated by the law to act as a judge not as a witness. If you know what the law means by impartiality.. Yes the petition aims to do exactly what you say,to let the JSC deal with the judge's conduct.
All the evidence,statements, drivers licence and all witness are here to prove to the court that the accused lied to their defence that they were never in GP. @@dannym7593
This is truly circus...the judge is so unfair...the state says Myeki consulted with them for some number and Myeki says that's not true and the judge quickly brushes that dishonesty and engages gouws
@@hanspretorius4019 let Baloyi and the judge go to school and learn that the accussor must prove beyond reasonable doubt. They must stop telling us about 2020 and tell us about 2014
I wonder lencelebane engi Sibanda yona inikweni ngoba ifana ncamashi no Baloyi......while baloyi is fabricating Sibanda is there to stand in....Ratha...Sibanda and Baloyi olwabishi babantu shem
Chesa Chesa Mngomezulu👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🙌❤️ Hay' ukhulumile baba👏👏 Why are they not focusing on the day of the murder? Busy wasting time and pushing time with izinto zango 2018&2020
What a DISGRACE HOW CAN A MURDER CASE GO INTO YEARS AND THE PERPETRATORS NOT BROUGHT TO BOOK YET WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM? HOW CAN SENSO' S FAMILY FIND CLOSURE HIS DAD ALREADY DEPARTED GRANT HIS MOM THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT SHE CAN SEE THE PUNISHMENT BEING SERVED ON THE KILLER OF SENSO
Haibo Baloyi and this disk.... The defence said a while ago that they cannot access the info in the disk. He seems like he is misleading the court because I remember when Gouws 1st came Mshololo said if the state has the info then please beam it I'm ready to cross-examine and Baloyi didn't beam it... Allegedly
Not biased he gave the defence whole of nextweek to read the dicuments consult with their clients thrn come back to re cross examine Mr Gows, but he said he is avaiable in court nextweek to work with them then defence agreed to come back ontge 10th as well
Defence just use your chance given by judge to go and read all those documents plus emails then consult with your clients to proceed with the trial on tge 13th of May
The problem Is Baloyi is going to come with new evidence and the defence doesn’t have the same statement from Baloyi .this Baloyi is playing Tom & Jerry we not kids here
@@gugulethuprecious6932do you understand first why Baloyi always come with new evidence? If the defence deny something it's up to the state prove what the state is saying is not true, for example Sibiya told the court he left GP and went back to KZN from 2013 and return 2015. Baloyi is then need to bring evidence to the court that Sibiya was in GP not in KZN that why he brought that witness that confirmed that Sibiya applied for learners licence in Boksburg further more he went as far as getting bank records which shows that Sibiya withdraw money in Volsorus in 2014, There's so many examples, the accussed said they don't know each other they don't know the numbers the numbers the state said belong to them, Baloyi need to come with evidence showing that indeed they know each other that why he is bringing cell phone evidence
The only evidence in need is about who pulled the trigger calls evidence found is from 2018 yet the insidant happened on 2014.kindly askthe ppl who were present in the spaza house
This judge is not make make, Mngomezulu just mention why is state focusing on contacts, bank statements etc of the 2019,2020,2021,2022, this murder happened in 2014 for heavens sake
Coocking and fabricating of the evidence is the only problem on the state side. Investigating as the go is one of the proble the state is facing. ABASHWEEEEE
@@nette2144 huh I was like taxi violence operation kaofela e kena kae moo? Baloyi is really tricky bathong. Monna moholo Ratha wants to say he’s not picked up these red flags???
@@Tsidyannamohapi2381this is bomb here there is a lot in these documents that we dont know defence never did a research of this case maybe accussed are also involved in killing of taxi bosses 😢😮
Moloi means one witch Baloyi means two or more witches Now think how dangerous and manipulative is one witch, so what happened when they are many in one body 😂😂😂😂😂 ke makudumana feela 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
😂 judge almost picked it up when Baloyi said 2018 but he let it go. Accused spoke to each other in 2018 and? Accused were in joburg in 2014 and? State - Zungu should have also come with the evidence too.
The submission of documents in drips and draps is unacceptable. Sarcasm can be an order of the day due to unethical practises that are displayed by spoiled child of the court Mr. Baloyi. Nonsense is nonsense it must not be sugar-coated!!!
The judge is supposed to reprimand the state sharply... Now, it is becoming clear that something is not right in this case..... What a disappointment in the court of Ratha....bias
For every evidence presented to court the defence has a right to be prepared on time. Submission made in the morning is unacceptable. Ratha stop impressing some witnesses with Afrikaans please stop it. Its unacceptable for fairness purposes
If the state is presenting the files in chucks the defence is to blame. Mshololo keeps requesting documents. Why didnt they request all the documents at the beginning. The fact is they are failing to challengeg the evidence. The state has strongly proved its case.
I can't understand people blaming the State. Its the defence lawyers who are disputing the bank statements and phone conversations. The state brings more evidence and you blame the state.
They are not asking for new info. They want old information that the state promised instead if gives New evidence and irrelevant info. If they mention new evidence should the defense just accept it and not rebut??? Check your facts
Even the affidavit made by late mabena can done by themselves recently and only been referred mabena is the made,, but in this case no comments from the judge to the state by saying mabena is no more and its casting doubt to accept his affidavit..
Everything Mngomezulu said should have been picked up and mentioned by the judge. Baloyi has been misleading the court for years now and the judges have been on the ride with him. The world could see the state was going NO WHERE. Thank you Adv Mngomezulu.
Thats why the people say the judge is bias, first reprimand Baloyi dont look as if this is not a total mess and ambush for the state. Be fair Judge Ratha
Thank you defence kuyobonakala ukuthi niyalwa ngempela manje ucala elango 2014 izinto zango 2018 zisiza ngani
Is MSHOLOLO for me saying that I have never told not to sleep, waiting for coocked and fabricated documents comes by drips and drops. HAIKHONA, akuhambanga kahle Baloyi and tour team
A big shame to the state nd Judge
As for our Judge zooming the bank statements that has nothing to do with Senzo's murder. Mngomezulu is 100 % correct let's deal with 2014 matter when the murder was committed, not this nonsense that Baloyi is feeding the public
Phezu kwabo Mngo ❤️❤️
ngimthandani bantu iqiniso liqiniso kulobaba
🔥🔥🔥Advo. Mngomezulu is tired of sugar coating
Yes he is coming out strong 💪
When we say this so called judge doesn't listen with an intention to understand but to reply, we are called names.
You are right! Did you see how he was already preempting what Mnisi was going to say? That was weird and disgusting!
@@nette2144 Yooh I was so disappointed yazi he did not even want to listen to what he was saying😢.
@@samkelisiwecele701 Evil old man shlobo! Have a lovely weekend lovely🥰🥰
And he is rude
What a master stroke by Advocate Mngomezulu, He made ratha understand what he meant when he said the state is cooking this case, baloyi is a shame to our justice system.
😊😊😊😊❤D&d😊dd😊&&a2a~sa
Insults are proving nothing, they only impress the court of public opinion. If Mngomezulu believed that he'd bring an application.
@@thetad1242are you paid to say this nonsense
maybe he/she can do better than Mr Baloyi you can throw your application to NPA
@@thetad1242who are you to say that Mngomezulu is telling the truth that you all running away from State Twerkers
Kubo Mngomezulu ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
This judge is something else Adv Mshololo has put it to the court that the state is withholding evidence, the judge does not address that instead he gives the defense time to peruse new evidence
This trial is demonic shlobo
this is a bias Judge he will not do that he cant address that
This is really a long and irritating journey for defence getting documents in drips and drags from this vaseline boy and niknaks allows it 😡🤬👿
It seems like judge believes everything that comes with state
And then kuqhamuke abantu bethi defence are playing mind games and wasting time, besho bedakwe imfulamfula
Advocate Mngomezulu is a genius he's got no time to entertain the misleading information presented by adv Baloyi to the defence pretending as if he is an honest man and yet he is not.
Baloi voken sleg
Thanks Mngo tell them.
Mngomezulu you are covered under the blood 🙏🙏 of Jesus 🙏🙏🙏
The accused communicated in 2018!!!!!!! WHAT!!!!? So what if the accused know each other or not? So what if they were in Gauteng when they said not (Accused 1)? It still doesn't prove they were at the Spaza shop that day. The documentary evidence in this case is lacklustre at best...the bank statements don't show any money trail among the accused or even with the alleged mastermind. The cellphone data doesn't show the call transcripts, texts, voice notes etc. What have we been listening to for the past 2 years. We still don't know how these 5 are connected to this crime.
I’m also defeated. The past two years we’ve been listening to nothing 🙆🏼♀️🙆🏼♀️
What a waste of my data
Weldone advocate Mungo for telling Baloyi and Ratha the truth
The judge has probably been told about the petition because today he behaved like a judge. Unfortunately, it's too late, we don't want him in this trial anymore he's shown that he's compromised.
Petition my foot! The judge cannot be dictated by few individuals who support criminals. If he's bias let the JSC deal with it, I'm sure they are following the case. Ratha and Baloyi are professionals not these amateur defense lawyers who are relying on conspiracy theories.
@@dannym7593 the judge is dictated by the law to act as a judge not as a witness. If you know what the law means by impartiality.. Yes the petition aims to do exactly what you say,to let the JSC deal with the judge's conduct.
All the evidence,statements, drivers licence and all witness are here to prove to the court that the accused lied to their defence that they were never in GP. @@dannym7593
Joh..I have learned a lot from Baloyi and Ratha,. Defence has lot of work to do here, they are getting instructions from their clients and all lies.
@@thandyglorymorgan9506 💯
But judge is bias... if it was defense doing this he would say the are wasting time or shouted at them like kids
Yes but his Vaseline baby baloyi gets away with all his tricks 😮😮👿😈
@@SylviaMitchell-tz2sl and its so disgusting hlee.. Ntate ratha wa tella
50 Years experience of being BIAS!
I swear
Whem should a judge say: I am sorry to interject your submission before I hear fully what u wanted to say?
This case needs 3 judges, phecelezi Supreme court, hope state can take care of all expenses
i shares your idea of at least ÷
i. Full Bench "two judges" or
ii. Full Court "three judges"
to hear this matter 🙏🏿
Mr Baloi is a shame to our country 😢😢...
very shm shm
Does he know what he's doing mara😮😮😮
@@nette2144 don't think so 😏😏
Actually he isn't. You are lying
@@nette2144 I don't think so hlee
O Dlakada abazisabi izinto😂😂😂😂😂uuyakhuluma iqiniso lobaba n kabesabi futhi😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
It's Adv. Mshololo's sarcasm for me 🤣🤣🤣
Baloyi akalali busy cooking statements and emails kuzekuse esebenza
Usenda ama email ngabo3 kusasa😂😂😂😂
Imagine at 23:00 you received email on the public holiday 😳
😂😂😂
1 day uyolala ngoba inhlanzi iyoshelwa amanzi ngelinye ilanga
And ukhathele shame uyoze athi tshiyo tshiyo sengvuthiwe 😂😂😂
Adjourned til 6th May
Pure AMBUSH,COOKING and MANUFACTURING🗣📢🔊🔝well said Mngooo🔥🔥🔥🔥wena🦍 we want 2014 evidence🚩
Bring that defense if you have it you are also doing the same as the state why allow the case to drag
@@gugundimandenare7969is what your 🦍 doing FAIR bringing evudence 1 by 1🤷🏿♀️👂🏿
@@gugundimandenare7969 the state is the accusor here, therefore the onus is on the state to prove its claim with evidence?
@Qotha tell him ijaaakg
Defence, when is the Recusal application coming?...there is no impartiality here...
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😂😂😂 Mshololo l was not told not to sleep and wait for emails 😅😅
Silly you are a lawyer
When she agreed to represent, she signed a deal of waiting for anything anytime.
I wander how much baloi get for that cooking that pot
His voice is shaking...i wonder why
😂😂😂
He is really cooking this case problem refusing to be ready for dishing up!Wrong ingredients!
If his not getting paid he is being blackmailed by gininda
wathenjiswa ukuphiwa umama ka Kelly😂😂
And when it comes to the shortcomings of the state the judge is no longer concerned about the JP and waste of time
Y oh know Baloyi lomthakathi as his surname is hiding lot of evidence only shows when he is asked about it
When he starts speaking slowly lies are coming.
This is truly circus...the judge is so unfair...the state says Myeki consulted with them for some number and Myeki says that's not true and the judge quickly brushes that dishonesty and engages gouws
Yes Ratha AMBUSH this is pure AMBUSH no need to be sarcastic about it
Wow Adv Mgomezulu is spot,this is cooked rubbish of evidence.
👍👍👍👌👌👌💪💪💪
Man you can postpone the date for 6 months. THIS ADVOCATES GO BACK TO UNIVERSITY. THIS CASE WILL BE FINISH LONG TIME AGO .BUT YES SOUTH AFRICA.
@@hanspretorius4019 let Baloyi and the judge go to school and learn that the accussor must prove beyond reasonable doubt. They must stop telling us about 2020 and tell us about 2014
Mgooooooooo🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉mgooooooooooo
I wonder lencelebane engi Sibanda yona inikweni ngoba ifana ncamashi no Baloyi......while baloyi is fabricating Sibanda is there to stand in....Ratha...Sibanda and Baloyi olwabishi babantu shem
Well said Adv. Mshololo. + the judiciary is partial in favor of the state.
Cooked
Ratha and Baloyi r unfair. Thisis Bullshirt.
Chesa Chesa Mngomezulu👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🙌❤️
Hay' ukhulumile baba👏👏
Why are they not focusing on the day of the murder? Busy wasting time and pushing time with izinto zango 2018&2020
This judge is bullying defense
Dishonesty versus honesty
Well said now Ratha you commitment to availaing yourself with regard to monitoring of the exchange of information is highly appreciated 👍
What a DISGRACE HOW CAN A MURDER CASE GO INTO YEARS AND THE PERPETRATORS NOT BROUGHT TO BOOK YET
WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR
JUSTICE SYSTEM?
HOW CAN SENSO' S FAMILY FIND CLOSURE
HIS DAD ALREADY DEPARTED GRANT HIS MOM THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT SHE CAN SEE THE PUNISHMENT BEING SERVED ON THE KILLER OF SENSO
Mshololo🎉🎉🎉state is honest cause they don't want to agree that they are dishonest😅😅😅
Ngoba umy lord ebesefuna ukumosha iskhath kubuywe ngezi 13 nje
those accused will be in jail for a long time before this case is finished mind that also Mshololo & crew are counting their cases on other cases
Judge is not fair in this case guys ,,,
Hi guys please tell me when is the case coming back again,I'm trying to check on CZcams for this week but nothing
Wena judge we are watching you, the world is watching you. Your super intelligence antics are slowly exposed
True Mngo u did well May the Lord protect you guys🫂🙏
Mtshele Mshololo uneqiniso ngoba uthi ungasho ukuthi akanalo iqiniso
Baloi buwa ka 2014 morena o mae a masetlha
😂😂
Haibo Baloyi and this disk.... The defence said a while ago that they cannot access the info in the disk. He seems like he is misleading the court because I remember when Gouws 1st came Mshololo said if the state has the info then please beam it I'm ready to cross-examine and Baloyi didn't beam it... Allegedly
State is failing dismally.
Mngomezulu is the beast
Biased Judge
Not biased he gave the defence whole of nextweek to read the dicuments consult with their clients thrn come back to re cross examine Mr Gows, but he said he is avaiable in court nextweek to work with them then defence agreed to come back ontge 10th as well
So thats not being biased he was fair to the defence
Bias is failure to reprimand ambush tactics and chance taking by the state
@@sibongilemabaso2250no judge must reprimand baloyi with his delay tactics 😮😮😮
Judge is been fair. Each time the defence demand more evidence unfortunately a lot will come out.
Why is My Lord saying NO before hearing What Mr Mnisi has to say,yooooo😡😡
That's how he behaves in this court😅
Because he is incompetent.
What is it that is fine when a witness tell lies to the court? Gouws said consulted but lawyer said it never happened😗😗😗
When they say, you are sucker for this... You want to make sure that I can speak in your mother taal
I’m not South African ,but Senzo vhuka !Reveal your murderers!!!
Defence just use your chance given by judge to go and read all those documents plus emails then consult with your clients to proceed with the trial on tge 13th of May
The problem
Is Baloyi is going to come with new evidence and the defence doesn’t have the same statement from Baloyi .this Baloyi is playing Tom & Jerry we not kids here
@@gugulethuprecious6932do you understand first why Baloyi always come with new evidence?
If the defence deny something it's up to the state prove what the state is saying is not true, for example Sibiya told the court he left GP and went back to KZN from 2013 and return 2015. Baloyi is then need to bring evidence to the court that Sibiya was in GP not in KZN that why he brought that witness that confirmed that Sibiya applied for learners licence in Boksburg further more he went as far as getting bank records which shows that Sibiya withdraw money in Volsorus in 2014,
There's so many examples, the accussed said they don't know each other they don't know the numbers the numbers the state said belong to them, Baloyi need to come with evidence showing that indeed they know each other that why he is bringing cell phone evidence
The only evidence in need is about who pulled the trigger calls evidence found is from 2018 yet the insidant happened on 2014.kindly askthe ppl who were present in the spaza house
No more ambushing🎉
Ubaloyi wayengazi ukuthi kuzoba nje akuzuhamba ngendlela yakhe 30%
Hallelujah Mngomezulu The Tsunami/ Tornado ayeye Baloyi and your dad, stand for the truth and don't be apologetic about it Mngomezulu!!!
They are cooking
With a small pot..it's about to spill though
And the coocking is not make sure, it is a hakf coocked (POTSA)
This judge is not make make, Mngomezulu just mention why is state focusing on contacts, bank statements etc of the 2019,2020,2021,2022, this murder happened in 2014 for heavens sake
Hand gesture chair
Ure doing a gud job Mgomezulu Spirit👊🏻
Nomatter wat the accused will be released by the constitutional court. Utter disguste by Baloi and Gininda.
Baloi 😂ke pudi straight
Baloyi usuqambela Mr Myeki amanga ekhona phambi kwakho ayi cha unamanga webaloyi😂😂😂
Shame on state prosecution ...below standard prosecution
They are busy cooking this case
Baloyi is finished 😂he looks confused now
Ingabe yintoni le engaka eyenza kubenzima kangaka kwi staite
State sihlulekile xem
Coocking and fabricating of the evidence is the only problem on the state side.
Investigating as the go is one of the proble the state is facing. ABASHWEEEEE
Awukwazi ukwakhela phezu kwamanga kuzophuma amanye ,buka nje umswani into kaBaloyi
@@octaviantombzodwatshabalal4531 futhi i staite soyika u Kelly no Longwe siphekana nabantwana babantu ngobuxoki kubuhlungu
Baloyi thinks he's busy with children in grade 1 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊
Ngisho impumputhe iyabona lah yini lengaka enivikelayo kanti batshele Mshololo niyizigebengu wena baloyi ngulukudu
Ratha can I humbly remind you that listening is a skill that is a non negotiable especially for judges!!!
At least we are not waiting for two weeks
what was said?
My favourite person, what is going on here le bo Operations Kaofela😂😂😂
@@nette2144 huh I was like taxi violence operation kaofela e kena kae moo? Baloyi is really tricky bathong. Monna moholo Ratha wants to say he’s not picked up these red flags???
@@nette2144 I love you dear keep well❤️
@@Tsidyannamohapi2381this is bomb here there is a lot in these documents that we dont know defence never did a research of this case maybe accussed are also involved in killing of taxi bosses 😢😮
Judge seems tired and want to adjourn adjourn and adjourn 😂😂😂😂
Moloi means one witch
Baloyi means two or more witches
Now think how dangerous and manipulative is one witch, so what happened when they are many in one body 😂😂😂😂😂 ke makudumana feela 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Fishing expedition 😂😂thatha mngo Dlakadla
😂 judge almost picked it up when Baloyi said 2018 but he let it go. Accused spoke to each other in 2018 and? Accused were in joburg in 2014 and? State - Zungu should have also come with the evidence too.
That was a clever move for monday not 2 weeks..if you give state 2 weeks for cooking again never
😂😂😂😂
375 docket is needed and white judge mxm
Keep it Mgomezulu were want the truth not bank statement or cellphones
The judge his behaving now 😮😮😮😅😅😅
Which proove or evidence you have brought to court that they did not killed senzo meyiwa ye mngomezulu
The submission of documents in drips and draps is unacceptable. Sarcasm can be an order of the day due to unethical practises that are displayed by spoiled child of the court Mr. Baloyi. Nonsense is nonsense it must not be sugar-coated!!!
The judge is supposed to reprimand the state sharply...
Now, it is becoming clear that something is not right in this case.....
What a disappointment in the court of Ratha....bias
Hallelujah Mngomezulu The Tsunami/ Tornado ayeye stand for the truth and don't be apologetic about it!!!
For every evidence presented to court the defence has a right to be prepared on time. Submission made in the morning is unacceptable. Ratha stop impressing some witnesses with Afrikaans please stop it. Its unacceptable for fairness purposes
Sfiso Meyiwa is unalived. Fairness is now demanded kodwa ma ebulawa was it fairness?
Mshololo dont realise the whole idea is to confuse the defence???😅😅😅
If the state is presenting the files in chucks the defence is to blame. Mshololo keeps requesting documents. Why didnt they request all the documents at the beginning. The fact is they are failing to challengeg the evidence. The state has strongly proved its case.
Lephule ibhodwe baloyi ngeke lisavuthwa nawe uyazbonela from 26 October 2014 khohlwa ngeke isimningi iminyaka.close to decade phela.manje
I can't understand people blaming the State. Its the defence lawyers who are disputing the bank statements and phone conversations. The state brings more evidence and you blame the state.
Well understanding Mr Robert. 👏
New evidence by the way
Masimba kanyoko udakwe amalebe slima, wigolo lomahosha wenanja. Nonke futhi
Evidence of 2018 defiance want evidence of 2014 period
They are not asking for new info. They want old information that the state promised instead if gives New evidence and irrelevant info.
If they mention new evidence should the defense just accept it and not rebut??? Check your facts
Judge will never reprimand the defense
Do you mean that judge will never reprimand baloyi vaseline.
Please ask mr gouws if he does have prove that 2014 they have known each other or on his record does he found any plot recordings to kill senzo
Even the affidavit made by late mabena can done by themselves recently and only been referred mabena is the made,, but in this case no comments from the judge to the state by saying mabena is no more and its casting doubt to accept his affidavit..
Mr Baloyi proove beyond reasnable dout that lezinkabi ziyazana becaused they said they dont know each other they were lying in court