Lucid Air Grand Touring 70-MPH Highway Range Test (19" Aero Wheels)
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2022
- Kyle is back with another typical Out of Spec 70-mph highway range test, this time in the Lucid Air! This car has a 516mi EPA range rating, 112kWh battery pack, and 2 electric motors equipped to be the longest range EV currently on sale. Let's see how it does in our highway test that we run every EV through!
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Im sure people will correct me, but my gut feeling is that EPA really needs an overhaul when it comes to EV ranges. 435 @ 70, but what if you only did 60mph? Outside temps also play a way bigger role than they do in your ICE applications. I get alot better range on my Model when its 65+ outside than I do at 40 degrees. Maybe instead of city/highway we need winter/summer ranges.
Bjorn Nyland basically does that. Lets you know if the test one done in winter or summer.
@@mistermister2085 I definitely appreciate the time spent by all these CZcamsrs making fairly controlled tests. Hopefully will inspire some gov change.
EPA range is not and was never intended to be any kind of highway range. It's a mixture of different driving scenarios that gives you a number that you can compare with other cars. There's not much more to it.
60 mph = 10 % better range
@@abraxastulammo9940 depends on the car. The more aerodynamic, the less impact speed has. My ioniq 5 suffers at high speeds, since it’s shaped like a brick
Wondering if Kyle would consider adding a leader board segment at the end of each hwy range test to show standing of previous cars tested.
They need two boards. One for overall range and one for efficiency.
@@patrickshelley09 Nothing a Google Sheet won't do.
Just like Bjorn Nyland does...
Very impressive. Kudos to Lucid and their efforts to make a solid EV. Thanks for conducting the test. We appreciate you doing this so we can be more informed.
I want to see a “Vegas Trip 2” video. This Lucid would dominate that competition.
I have owned my lucid air for over 7 months now, mine is base model with 419 miles with full charge which is just amazing for the price, best car I have ever owned, worth every penny.
Damn. Alyssa nailed the prediction. Maybe she should be doing the videos instead.
Alyssa's 436 guess was pretty spot on!!! Great Video.
Amazing analysis. Thank you for sharing. Really built up the suspense towards the end.
Great video, just what I was looking for. Highway test car. Charge to 100% and discharge to 0%. Thank you for such videos. I hope you continue to shoot the opportunity :)
Little disappointed it doesn't break 500 but still impressive
If you've experienced the wind along that corridor and going into Wyoming you'll understand why it doesn't get better efficiency. I think in most other places it would do a lot better.
Why is it disappointing? It’s 516 miles of EPA range. The EPA test does not involve sustained 70 MPH highway driving.
I'm guessing that the headwind and tailwind don't cancel each other out, and that it's pretty windy out there.
@@TheJoncic we can't be apologetic to EVs, wind is a real thing that happens all the time. It's not realistic or ethical to do tests with no wind at all.
@@MisterMoncivais well yeah, but this area is probably windier than 95% of all other CZcams test loops.
That's some drama there at the end with Kyle getting all he could out of it... I can only hit the thumbs up once, but it deserved more than one! Great video...
That was an awesome range test, i loved seeing you run that thing practically down to nothing! Awesome!
Alyssa is so supportive ♥️♥️..👍👍
I was waiting for this! 💪
Given the higher speeds out west (I25 gets up to 75 mph north of Denver metro), I would like to see these tests at 80 mph. Just for fun. I know it will lose range (like any car), but how much range would be interesting across different brands. Plus the cops don't bother you unless you go 10 over.
Aerodynamic and Stylish package here!
Yes, if your friend has 10.69.2 should do another update video on FSD please! Loved this one!
4.2 kw/mi is incredible efficiency for a car that size with tires that large. We get similar efficiency from our eGolf, but that's a far smaller car with far less weight.
Tesla model 3 now laughed
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I've run 55 miles on 13.4 useable kwh on a 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in with eCVT with a drive shaft/differential at about 45 mph in EV mode. Can't wait to try a ground up the luxo-barge EV for daily commuting to see what I can bust out in efficiency.
Little surprised it didn't score a tad better. Still extremely impressive. I just saw the final number didn't look at temps elevation etc. so maybe that was it.
It got suspenseful at the end 😂😂
Very informative and helpful for people who want to know the real world range of EVs.. Hope you can also test the new 2022 BYD TANG SUV with 108kw battery pack
SUV ranges are crappy no matter what
Those military vehicles were escorting a nuclear missile back to base. There was a helicopter above you too ! I was in one of those back in the day
420 miles at 70 mph would probably be my comfort zone. Still 6 hours of seat time between charges which is plenty. Usually most people stop after 4 ish hours to rest/pee/eat.
I guess it depends on the person, but personally, I'm more of a stop every 2-3 hrs in a long commute kind of guy. And every 2-3 hrs, I can easily find a supercharger or EV fast charger. I don't need this much range for a long commute. Also, $154k price point with all the buggy software is insane. I'd honestly wait on getting a Lucid for another 2-3 yrs. And hope their pricing comes down because that's too damn expensive.
@@azimali322 Yeah honestly anything that can do 300 miles at highway speed is plenty for my needs. I typically take a break after 3-4 hours on long road trips. But I'm just saying for any EV critics, you cant really argue against the Lucid. For 99.9% of people it has plenty of range
@@jakes5530
One advantage of the big pack is on a long road trip it gives you the flexibility.. If you get stuck with a bad charger or just want to go farther you can.
Also.. if you decide to do the short hop style like Kyle usually recommends, you will get faster charging speeds.. charging up to 50% and 50% in this car will take you farther than 50% in other cars..
never once in my life have I driven 6 hours without stopping haha
4hrs? Damn, I’m 2-3 on the road with all the coffee I consume.
Kyle really needs to test the lfp rwd model 3. At 70mph in good weather, I'm seeing close to 4.5 miles per kWh.
@@vickykennel7414 I drive 35k miles a year. I've not needed to stop and supercharge once so far. I'll take the car with working software and auto pilot for a third of the price.
buy it
@@vickykennel7414 differnent price point. Lucid are doomed.
You must not stray far from your hipster pretentious city life to need any real range. Those of us with a love of nature and road trips need the range even in Southern California/Vegas to Phoenix. Utah is still pretty spread out. Not everyone is afraid of dirt and will need to charge away from home. And not at a hotel because camping is camping. IF, I wanted to sleep in my bed, I'd stay home.
@@jpscharged I live on a horse farm in a rural part of Michigan. I live on a dirt road. I drive 35,000 miles a years. I can stop to take a piss at a supercharger and by the time I get back to the car, I've added 100 miles of charge.
How pathetic is your life that you can only feel good about yourself by shitting on a strawman that you made up in your head?
Like u mentioned in passing, the direct competitor is the Model S Long Range with 19" rims. When do u plan to do that test? Willing to bet the difference won't be so stark.
Was looking forward to a range test on ur Plaid before u replaced the OEM 19" but that never happened.
No "I love you" to Alyssa as you depart the station? 😂
Would 20s with same side wall height fit? 21s? Seems like it. They'd fill the wells more and stick out more at the bottom. But might they ROLL better, again with the same sidewalls?
Great result, but I would be worried about the BMS issue if it was my car, could be an early sign of future cell balance issues.
Go to Canon Ball record on the Lucid Air ! In the class of electric cars!
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You had to steer the car? Outrageous! ;)
435 miles is the range that every electric car should have. I can comment it with only "WOW". Best electric car on the market once they finally add dream drive :)
435 miles requires either a lot of expensive, heavy batteries or compromises in size and style to minimize aerodynamic drag (like Aptera). While big range is great, average car buyers are looking for cars that meet normal family usage, which is not 400+ miles of range.
@@bnkwupt This 100%. I think ICE drivers that are hesitant to getting an EV still don't understand how few number of times you are actually charging at a supercharger/fast charger. You charge at home every night and that's like 90-95% of the time. The 5-10% of the time I go on a road trip beyond 300 miles; I charge to 100% night before and fast charge for like 15 mins (or less) at a fast charging location when I'm 66-75% through the road trip. Then I'm more than good enough. If you are spending 15 mins extra on a road trip, then are you really adding time to your commute when you usually stop for a break anyway?
If you are consistently driving over 250+ miles a day, then maybe you might want to think about getting a bigger battery pack, but most people don't need that. It's just a luxury beyond that, which is probably the whole point of the higher cost.
It’s all about educating the buyer but until they get an EV they think it’s some huge problem to charge.
@@selbyjohnson5986 the reality is that people have to borrow an EV for a couple of days to experience the lifestyle. People still think EVs require 45-1 hr of fast charging in a long trip, but they really only need 10-20 mins if they are charging from like 10% to 60%. Then go to the next station for another 50% charge. And so on.
The longest time you spend charging is at home, but that’s perfectly fine when you are at home. You just hook it up when you arrive at home and forget about it.
@@bnkwupt Yes, people have the dually pickup truck mentality of “what if I need to do a thing one day that I have never done in my life.” The average American commute is like 30 miles a day. It doesn’t matter if you have a Leaf or a Lucid.
70mph at 5200ft at around 20 degs C in no wind is about 63mph of effective wind resistance. Your altitude matters, and you're at an unusually high alt location. Source: recreational pilot here, we deal with this on the daily. Look up indicated vs true airspeed.
Jesus, the suspense is killing me!
How much miles will you get if it's cold have you tried that yet
Does Kyle need to adjust the total range to account for the GPS/indicated speed adjustment?
The upside to having such a large battery pack is that you could potentially only have to charge to 50% everyday instead of 80% to preserve battery life for the long term, but man, having a large battery pack of that size is definitely a bit much.
I hope Lucid does well as a company or another car manufacturer buys them out if they do fail, but the current software package is my #1 reason as to not getting a Lucid. Personally, the Mercedes EQE and EQS seems to fit the boat better for a better luxury EV experience at or below Lucid's price point. The software of a EQE looks just equal to Lucid but better interior in the Mercedes.
Lucid is backed by Saudi money. Those are the richest people in the world from all that oil money. Much richer than Bezos or Musk, but they aren't required to disclose their income
seems like overkill for sure and a waste of money to have that much battery
You don't get as much benefit below 80%, and the extra weight of batteries adds cost and lowers efficiency. The tradeoff isn't worth it for daily driving; it's only worth it for folks doing long journeys routinely.
@@vickykennel7414 I guess I'm more of a guy that would probably wait on Lucid to make their second or third generation of Lucid Airs and Grand Tourings (3-5 years from now - assuming they survive until then) because, like Tesla, they will get better in the hardware and software departments. Also, hopefully they will carry a more compelling product that is cheaper as well.
@@selbyjohnson5986 My wife's buying the car...mainly for that battery. It may be overkill as an in-town daily driver, but always glad to have the long range capability when we need it. Too bad Tesla never offered that range as an expensive option, then we would've considered Tesla
Can you do a eqs 580 range test. I’ve seen the 450.
Lovely! I wish I was an IT overlord so I could buy one.
Man, that A-pillar and mirror together make a HUGE blind spot...
7:39 "Shown up on etron for some electron"🤣🤣
Such an insanely good looking car. After the Bentley Continental GT (with the spectacular defined rear haunches) the Lucid Air is my favourite car in production.
Looks like a car for old codgers.
@@boostav think you might be the only guy on the planet who thinks so 😂
@@swisstrader You must be an old codger because that's just about what everyone says about the exterior styling of the Lucid.
@@boostavdefinitely an older look. I joked that it should have wood paneling on the doors but it’s actually growing on me. Especially with the stealth package. Much better looking than this trim.
The driving is not the same as the total. When you're stood still, you still consume some. Also, regen might affect calculations. You regenerated some and saved it up.
Does the distance travelled also have the over-estimation of the speedo? It's not always the case. Not every calc will necessarily use the same source for numbers.
You need to connect an OBD scanner to see what the battery is actually at.
Have you guys tested the Model 3 LFP Standard Range Plus for a 70mph highway range test?
No. They really need to.
Could you also do a model s plaid with 19 aero wheels test.
biy it
5:48 Does it work with openpilot?
You should consider testing a standard range model y…I have 213 wH/mile after 23000 miles…highway and city driving with a giant hill in the middle of my commute…
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How much did it cost to charge up
It’s great it gets over 400 miles but I would never drive that long without stopping for a break.
Exactly. Makes you realise that a 1000mile range is just a vanity number.
@@jeffsteyn7174 In 2020 i would have been able to use 1000 miles range for my trip to moscow. Now i got no destination inside Europe without a Supercharger in more then 50km distance. I would have to drive to turkey, but who wants to visit turkey with his own car?
@@jeffsteyn7174 The ICE folks are just bitter and remind you that the extension cord is still not long enough.
Plus electric cars are the only things that cause more pollution than trees. 🤣
That's great, take all the breaks you want. The good news is you won't need to charge on many of your breaks with the lucid compared to other EVs
I would never drive so 🐌 slow
Awesome car, they are the most advanced EV on the market.
The company has also revolutionized Formula E racing - They don't brag about that AT ALL!
I'm more impressed by the bladder range... 🙂
I'd like to see this range test that "Tom" did. Anybody got a link? TIA
Thanks for this test. We really need to know. I have the feeling that Lucid does not calculate range correctly. I think they just use the optimal miles per kWh, rather than miles per kWh over the most recent 50 miles. Hard to believe that the software engineers would be that dumb but it fits the pattern in my Lucid.
I opted for the 21s, I’ll be satisfied to get low 400s high 300s of real world range.
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Nice one but between this and EQS is a tough call!
Lucid is 100x sharper.
@@swisstrader and EQS is 100x much more luxurious... So everything has its ups and downs. Both great EVs though...
So, worst-case real-life scenario is 250 miles in freezing cold with the no regen, smaller battery pack, additional legroom, and 700 less pounds in the Lucid Air Pure? NICE.
Going to be interesting to see how the Ioniq 6 compares on efficiency.
buy it
Hey Kyle will you ever do a range Tesla model 3 standard range the lfp battery? Am curious as thinking of buying one
buybit
How many miles are on Tom’s vehicle when he tested it sounds like the break in process at 4k miles takes some miles off its range
About the same. But my car had about 9 kWh more usable capacity. I used just about all of the 118 kWh the Dream Edition range has, Kyle was only able to squeeze 109 kWh out of his Grand Touring.
Ah. Good point. Dream has a bigger battery
The new build of FSD is great
What new build?
@@americanspruce 2022.20.18
I wish Lucid made an SUV or Crossover because that’s one impressive ride .
Front passenger tire looked a bit low on etron.
If the speedometer is off by 2mph how do you know the odometer/trip computer is not also off?
Okay I have a scary question, we keep hearing how much it cost to replace a battery in a Tesla, how much would it even cost for a lucid air? Anybody have an idea?
What good is range at 100% when they recommend charging to 80% so what’s the range at 80%?
99% of people drive 50 miles or less daily, so 100% range only makes a difference on a road trip.
This is on just 435 mile on 104 kwh. Where’s the other 8kwh’s? At 4.2miles per kwh you are looking at 469 miles of range. Which makes since as MOtor Trend tested it to 410 miles at 75-mph at cooler than optimal temps.
I envy on this Lucid car however I invested to it 😁😇
Another great video. However, in the beginning, the constant bouncing of the camera was very distracting. Not sure if it can be improved, but it would make the video more enjoyable if it could be eliminated.
i dont know why I watch videos about cars I'll never ever ever afford
How very odd. There is no "miles remaining guess-o-meter" on this car? (Other than assuming it can do the rated 500 miles.)
The weight of the Red Bull and Tostitos is what brought the range down from 500😂
Motor cooling is dependent on air density. Hotter motor decreases motor efficiency. That impacts overall efficiency (less dense air impact all systems requiring air cooling).
I think running at 70 mph to exhausting the battery is not how most people plan to drive. I would be most interested in range from 80% to 10% battery charge level. Perhaps one can estimate that by the overall efficiency of 4 kWH per mile. However, the time to recharge when on a road trip is what most people are probably interested in. Hopefully, you can present a charging curve (assuming I haven’t missed it on another video).
Everyone complains that any test is not how most people drive.
I think they should address this by:
1) 1st get smashed on alcohol
2) ignore stop signs and run red lights
3) never signal when turning - and pass on the right
4) drive at least 15 to 25 mph faster than posted limit.
Ok - we - real - world - now.
Can you please do a 75mph and/or 80mph range test?
Or 85mph ...pls
Imagine this in shooting brake configuration.
nice apple watch ultra 😍
noticed that, as I wait for my Garmin 7x solar.
When a car can no longer maintain 70 mph, that should be it's 70 mph range, even if it can still be driven with forward motion.
Kyle “Iron Bladder” Connor
Really impressive. For Lucid, price is what you pay, performance and range is what you get.
Not to mention efficiency which is their biggest goal.the skateboard platform plagues electric cars and i think lucid will change that.
Purrrr 💅
150 wh/km impressive
Interesting name for a station..
Does that charger say KUM & go? lol ~~o
I guess congrats to Lucid on delivering range advertised by Tesla? What carmaker is going to deliver range advertised by Lucid? Selling a 500-mile car that delivers 400 is egregious.
Who knew that E-ton has a flux capacitor.
So 72 indicated with 70 actual would mean 435.5 * 70/72 which is 423.4 miles actual?
It’s pretty common for speedometers and odometers to be off by different amounts. My previous VWs all had accurate odometers but the speedometers were 2 MPH high.
@@bnkwupt Common, but you have to account for it, it's almost a 3% discrepancy in the final result.
Just a speed discrepancy (often done so the manufacturer can't be sued for speeding tickets), not a distance error. So they take the true measured speed and multiply it by 1.02 for the display only.
@@isovideo7497 How do you have one but not the other? Speed is almost universally measured from a driveline component and the digital number of times it triggers a speed signal? Error is almost always introduced from being unable to accurately know how many rotations is equal to a given distance due to variations in tire dimensions and other components.
@@isovideo7497 I'm going to need a test, I'd be surprised if there is an intentional overspeed error introduced in to the displayed speed, but not the odometer. The odometer/speed should be based on the same input and speed coefficient. If you adjust the speed coefficient to make the speed accurate you'd then be underreporting on your odometer which is arguably worse and legally just as sketchy imo. Maybe Kyle needs to drive an exact 10 miles and report if we have an extra 3 tenths on the display or not. (Or better, 100 miles and see a full 3 mile difference or not).
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435 miles = 700 km
EQS ❤😍
biy it
Around 25 mph on the flat seems to be about the most efficient EVs get so no need to push it to go 40 or 50, you just lose average speed on your total drive and lower consumption that valid for 70 mph of course, but relevant to the everage speed achieved, give or take.
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Lucid air and life isn't fair.
10:35 "The software is completely bricked."
All I want from this car is to be an estate and get lane hold. Surely a fair demand in a modern car. I can get Audis, Jaguars, even Mercedes' at that price point as estates.
C'mon Tesla. Learn from Lucid and increase your real world range without external battery pack
I'm afraid of that company long term, but I hope they do make the cut and stay!! I'm pretty sure that Rivian is going to make it as I really love MY truck and they're building them fast and still have a lot of cash on hand. Excellent video as always thank you!!
Account for heat loss(probably 2 kwh) for this looong test.
Mind over bladder
The panel gaps stole the range? 😜
That's what I've noticed on every video about this car. I've made multiple comments about the panel gaps. No youtuber has talked about them from what I've seen so far. They make the car look much cheaper.
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Kum and Go.....who thought of that name?
Side comment - "Kum & Go" was the best name they could think of for their business? 🤨