Laserdisc Player has a Hidden Drawer - Pioneer CLD-2070
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- čas přidán 20. 10. 2017
- Let's face it, Laserdisc is a fun format to collect and enjoy. The CLD-2070 is well built and has some great features and incredible styling. I love Laserdisc. Do you like Laserdisc? If Laserdisc is interesting to you, this Laserdisc video will be enjoyable.
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Amazing machine, this shows the true evolution of technology and engineering at its peak. Well done Pioneer, and thank you databits for this amazing video for the detail views inside of this truly amazing machine.
Thank you for watching and you're welcome!
The missing circuitry might've been for the CLD-3070. That was up-model w/ digital frame memory (e.g. freeze-frame & trick-play options on CLV discs) & a jog dial. I had one up until about 10 years ago. And I remember it being SO slow to change sides, that it would pick a random still off the end of Side A, which it would display until it was ready to go.
Still have one. Great unit.
Hmmm... I was thinking you were going to close the drawer with all the discs in there, LOL
I thought about it. Haha!
I was thinking the same to. Lol
Same thought!
To hear it thrash around and die a death!
They did in the demo video....
Sheer technological elegance!
Most admirable.
I always ran into tracking issues with the players I had. Over time they stopped reading the disks. Messing with the internal adjustment pots seemed to help for a short time. I still have some of the original discs from the 80's/90's. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
It's awesome to see that you added a direct line video from the player. Hope to see this in your future videos too. Good work databits
I did this just for you! Thank you!
You're welcome boss☺
Now we need a player that plays all those formats + DVD & BluRay HD & 4K!
Just started collecting Laserdisc last year. Just posted collection video on my channel. Love the format even though it's 40 years old and still going strong.
It's amazing how clean the PCBs of that machine looked in 1989. I'm used to the Sony Players since the late 90s and own until today an MDP-850d. The PCBs look so much overengineered an full so much of the huge case. The much oder Pioneer Player looks much cleaner and "simpler", what it seemingly isn't.
That was pretty cool! Esp how it flips the head around to play side two.
Thanks Mike, I totally agree!
Very surprised for its age that the motherboard didn't have any leaks. Cool video!
Great video! I have the big brother, the 3080, I love those older Pioneers.
Does yours have the jog/shuttle?
Yes it does and a really cool pop out control plate. I wish it had the drop down faceplate though. Hoping to do an overview in a few weeks. It also weighs a ton.
This is the most ingeniouse ,most advanced laserdisc played i,it avoids the need to swap laserdiscs the other side but by turning in reverse and by just using 1 laser wich can turn to the other side,rather then using 2 lasers.
And the laserdisc video absolutely blows my mind, then quality reality looks sharp.
And along it's digital output, this laserdisc player was mega ahead of it's time.
Hey johneygd...absolutely. This machine was a powerhouse of entertainment back in the day...and today!
They dont usually have 2 lasers, usually you have to flip the disc over.
18:30 Sure, get that clip where Barbra Streisand sings out of tune... Great commercial LOL
Amazing Machine!
I finally got my first LaserDisc player a little over a year ago and it's now my go-to for watching older movies. My only complaint is that my player doesn't do auto-reverse, so I have to manually flip the disc. It also sounds pretty cool when you hear the disc spin up.
Hey Jonathan, LaserDisc is such a fun format to collect. All the noises just add to the experience, right?
That thing looks really cool :o
I've got a Mitsubishi M-V7010 LD player that is this model rebranded.
It also has a glitchy tray mechanism which is probably the same gear problem yours had.
Other than that, this model is an absolute beast!
This is so cool
Still my favourite format
It's a fun one, and so many discs were made for it.
very interesting video...thanks :)
Thank you Max.
Neat thing of the time. I'll take my Sony 4K Blu-Ray player over this any day. I will say the Pioneer Elite laser disc that I sold long ago, they were fun machines. Getting director's cut movies, and so on were fun.
I had the 3070, it had a jog wheel with the play, ff, and rw buttons below it, I think it also had a still image feature
The 3070 (770 for JDM) was one of the best, and the very first player in my household. The jog/shuttle remote was virtually untouched (receiver's system remote was used instead)...
With all that extra circuitry space, someone could possibly do a mod to have it play DVD, BLU-RAY's and even include a hard drive to store MP4's
John Becker Now that would be nice!
John Becker Needs some component video outputs at least.
Yeah, and a Raspberry Pi on top of that. And blue LEDs.
I like the way you think. Actually, I heard that Blue LED was actually the latest color to be created because the color has a lot more intensity. I'll have to do some research but it is possible that blue LED's didn't exist in 1989. I'll get back with an update. Update: I was right, Blue LED was invented in 1993... five years after this player was manufactured.
I think you'll have to temper with the hardware power, but seems plausible enough. I hope someone does and makes a video about it.
So cool !!!
:-D
Laserdisc, still my favorite movie format
It was amazing, so ahead of it's time...
I would totally be interested if it also plays up to DVD & Blu Ray.
SeanFromPVD Hell I wish we had that!
There were models that played DVD. Bluray came along much later.
I do remember seeing those listed in the late 90's/early 2000's. They were at least up on that for a bit.
there also, a series of quite rare laserdisc with dvd bulit in, made by pioneer. the models Pioneer DVL series.
Yes indeed!
Yes, but there are separate sub-systems for Laserdisc-out -vs- DVD-out. You will have to pay a Premium for this and it won't be worth it in the long run. Better off keeping Laserdisc and DVD separate on specialized devices.
Awesome!
Doing a search for that larger Sony chip, the CXD1135, it looks like it's a decoder, probably thus used for all the audio CD playback. The smaller chip, the CXK5816MY is a static memory chip. Used for buffering digital audio from the disk, perhaps?
Back in 1989, it really was not difficult to get better sound at home than most of the theaters around here. Heck we even had some mono theaters left. Most of the others sounded like mid-fi stereo only. Cineplex odeon was a standout with good sound all by itself for quite a while. Otherwise it wasn't until jurassic park in 1993 we had a number of theaters upgrade to DTS and things got better quickly after that.
Where can i get one of these? Wow do i want these features & series! Excellent! 😱☺
I've got the same player with the same issue. Where did you find the alignment procedure for the loading mechanism?
Is the side turn mechanism really as quiet as this video seems to depict? I have a multisystem CLD-D925 and it's quite noisy whenever it's doing the side turning thing.
Have you seen the remote for these? Very cool complete with frame-by-frame jog wheel.
Only online. I purchased a simpler remote for it.
The belt with teeth is called a "cog belt".
This type is used where a guaranteed drive, usually involving greater forces, is required.
Ever see the LD-W1--- the model that plays both sides of 2 LDs ?
How Cool Is That ???
I removed the tray to work on the gears and noticed that the gear that controls the tray has a tooth that is different from the rest. How do I align the tray?
I've always preferred a player with an AC-3 output to a digital out. It's great to have but if I was forced to choose I'd go AC-3 out every time. I suppose it would depend on your setup though since as you said AC-3 requires a demodulator. For me though it's the opposite, my receiver has a built in demodulator but no DTS decoder so I actually needed a separate decoder box for DTS. The reasons I would deal with the extra hassle of tracking down extra components or player for an ac-3 setup over DTS though is a few reasons. First off depending on the setup it can be pretty hard to hear a difference between digital and analog. Maybe I'm not a huge audiophile or my ears are defective but I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two in my setup. second is there were only about 100 or so DTS laserdiscs and they tend to all be expensive as far as laserdiscs go. On the other hand AC-3 discs seem very much so more affordable and abundant. I don't know off hand how many LD's got released with AC-3 but it seems like a good number. As far as quality goes popular opinion seems to favor DTS but its not that much better and depending on the titles I hear may sound as good or worse. Of course you can always have the best of both worlds since there were several players with both AC-3 and digital out, along with analog outs of course.
I wouldn't say affordable, but I picked up a practically brand new one in the box with everything for it for $250 on eBay recently
Can you make a video comparing cheap and expensive blank DVD and BluRay media? I was just wondering about it!
Love your videos, you're amazing!
Thanks so much! Thanks for being a subscriber!
My laserdisc player plays all those discs, PLUS Video-CD!
Lucky!! :)
I might get one of these just for kicks and grins. Are the laser disk expensive and is there a wide selection of movies?
The white plastic guide rails on each side of the unit that move back/forth to raise and lower the disc tray, what would cause them to freeze up? Is there a control arm that moves them? Not sure how the upper disc clamp assembly is supposed to rest on them either. The entire mechanism appears to be jammed. :-(
"better sound than at the movies", sounds strange, yes. But I think that the presenter is referring to the fact that while AC3/Dolby Digital and DTS (and that sony system I don't remember the acronym for) were available in cinemas all the way back in the 80s, the hidden truth was that even in the 2000's a lot of still cinemas relied on the analog optical variable width 2 channel stereo track printed on to the film strip to get their surround sound. With that you'd get decent 4 channel LCRS matrixed sound output that sounded good enough for most audiences and truth be told, very few listeners can hear the difference between that and true discrete 6 digital channels.
So what he said was true, from a certain point of view, as Obi Wan would look at it...
Haha, I know, but I couldn't resist reacting that way. Back then, digital sound in homes was more common than in theaters, yes.
The Sony digital system was called SDDS.
I loved my laser disc. I had a Pioneer CLD925D which like this played both sides. The quality was amazing, considering the alternative was VHS in the UK. Even when DVD came out laser disc was so much superior until the 2nd / 3rd generation dvd players came out and even then I still preferred playing films on laser disc, it was an experience putting in a 12" shiny disc similar to vinyl records on a turn table. And CRT's had so much more superior blacks back then. I want my laser disc back along with my 120 film collection that I let go for nothing. I am so unhappy now. THANKS.
NICE DIGITAL STEREO
The digital out in this model is there only for 44/48/16bit PCM audio, not for DTS or Dolby digital.
Perhaps, but the nice thing about DTS is that is just works. I tested it.
Yeah, that's one of the coolest things about DTS LDs - they'll work fine over any PCM digital output, even on players designed long before DTS discs appeared on the market.
The Laser Disc system is a Phillips invention that used a Helium Neon gas laser to read the discs.
DAVID GREGORY KERR Pioneer though managed to capitalize on it well.
...originally gas lasers, Pioneer bought the technology from Magnavox (& Phillips?), innovated and made a solid state laser to read the discs, these first appeared in Pioneer Laser Disc Players starting with the 1983 LD-700(or LD-7000 in Japan). The laser diode (solid state laser) was used by Pioneer from this point forward (they dropped the gas laser). This technology was a bit long in the making, and a bit late to market, as, by this time the video tape recorders had already been in use. See Laserdiscs' Failure: What Went Wrong for more on this, (i just watched it yesterday, no, not promoting anything).
DAVID GREGORY KERR Didn't the later versions use a diode solid state later? I'm thinking the first pioneer (vlp1000?) had a gas laser.
I edited my previous comment. Yes, the first few Pioneer players used a gas laser. Actually, Pioneer bought the tech from Magnavox and innovated it, all the way from the laser to the disc making process (Magnavox had many bad discs, see laser rot). Pioneer used gas lasers up until they invented the laser diode (solid state laser) and began producing the LD-700 in 1983. The solid state laser enabled the entire optical disc reading system to be smaller. They took the record player type pickup used in the gas laser player and turned it over, the laser diode pickup mechanism is small enough to put it under the disc, so, Pioneer was able to take the mechanism inside the machine using a drawer for the discs instead of the top loading of the gas laser disc players, (this had other advantages as well). This became the standard from that point on, (Pioneer dropped the gas laser).
So I got my front panel off and I can see the gears. Any idea on how to remove the tray and get down to the gears? (I have a Pioneer CLD-3070).
I don't recommend removing the tray. Just eject the tray and work underneath the platform. It was not an easy task but it can be done!
we'll done on the camera work to
I wonder if there's one of these but with the addition of DVD
Pioneer DVL-919
I just got a 3" single for free from my library!
Wasn't there a laserdisc player that could play DVDs? A friend of mine's father had one but I never got the make and model number.
Yes, there was. They are highly sought after machines and are very expensive!
They have separate circuitry - Analog Output for the LD Player and Digital Output for the DVD Player. The two are NOT compatible and on the back of the Device they have separate outputs. Does not surprise me, quite honestly, if they do not Excel in NEITHER of the Formats they claim to support. You will get Video/Composite Output for the Laserdisc, -and- Component Video Output (480p only) for the DVD. That is so far as the Video Subsystem goes. Not sure on the Audio Subsystem.
You are correct --- very expensive and very over-priced for what they deliver with regards to ''bang-for-the-buck''....
That units cool. They looked like they'd break often. You'd have to find another player to cannibalize.
there were several models: dvl-700, dvl 909 and dvl 919, may be others. but think they were all. my dvl 909 was roughly 1200€ back in 99 but I bought a demo unit for 700€ ( Usd 850
I wasn't expecting to see Mini-CD support in a LaserDisc player.
I would love to see somebody reverse-engineer a LaserDisc player and build a brand new machine.
Perhaps even a Hi-Vision player, or a LaserDisc/DVD combo, or even a Pioneer LaserActive.
I would think the Sony chip is for cd audio playback
I just stacked all of my discs into the tray as shown at the beginning of the video.... Didn't go so well.
I really need a new Laserdisc player. Mine didn't come with a remote and it only has controls for play, stop, rewind, fast forward, and 2 scan buttons. Nothing else. I can't even pause the movies but it works perfectly and only cost 20$
It plays CDV (which is analogue, LaserDisc style video cut onto a CD) but does it play VCD or SVCD? (MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 digital video cut onto a CD, rather than a DVD)
And where's the socket for the LaserActive moules? How are you supposed to run LD-ROMs or Mega LDs on this thing? (I'd love to see those games emulated, between Mednafen, Daphne, libretro and the LaserActive Preservation Project, there must be a way!)
Perhaps the unpopulaed parts are for digital video that you'd find on a VCD, SVCD and DVD, or the DVD laser (which I always thought was done with a green laser)
How much would you love to have one of these that could play all the formats this could as well as DVD and BluRay *and* run Daphne and even LaserActive software?
I like your humor! Pioneer did make machines that played Video CD (the digital only discs) as well as CD+G Karaoke. But I agree, lets throw every possible disc technology into one machine! And not cost $500 as most LaserActive machines cost on ebay these days!
At first I thought the video CD was a normal vcd
Databits i think i know what song it's on Your video of the CLD-M301
It's Miracle of the Moment
song by Steven Cirtus Chapman
I just found CLD-2070 for $60 shall I get one?
You mentioned in the video that your unit came from eBay with the loading door unable to open and you thought it was a belt problem. Then you teased that it wasn’t but you never mention what the problem was or how you fixed it. I have the same problem with my 3070 and was hoping to find a solution in your video.
Hmmm. I thought I did mention this in the video. The problem is dried up grease or lubricant. You will have to remove the gears that drive the tray and replace the grease.
My cd player has dynamic breaking
Do you guys have a
Laserdisc player? If so. Now if it has read side a/b, what it's doing is reading you see one side on tv screen the laser moves to second side you see on tv screen part 2 of Rambo on screen. No manually flipping, the machine does the work.
💘
proud owner of a Pioneer Dvl-919
The 919 was the last LD player ever available, even available in multi system (PAL/NTSC)...
But conditions do vary in used markets. Some are in really bad state AFAIK...
I’m used to watching DVDs and VHS tape‘s never Watch a laser disc I have never owned a laser disc next time I’m if I go to a thrift store and I see you later disc player and some laser discs I might get me some movies and player it like thrift store has one and if they’re cheap enough and they work right because I think laser disc look cooler than a DVD even know DVD is better picture quality laser disc just look I whole lot cooler looking then a DVD i’m in the voice app my phone it’s not doing so well every time I talk is says something different so if my spelling is really off I apologize that is the voice app on my phone which fault not mine but anyways great video and I can’t wait to see more laser disc videos in the future
Thanks for your comments Tj!
Laserdiscs look much better than VHS Tapes IMHO. However the Output is still limited to 480p. While it is true that you can upscale what you are trying to watch (depending on your playback device), the Laserdisc Quality will almost always exceed that of the VHS Tape (esp. VHS Tape Rentals). The Drawback? And of course, as always, there is at least one. The Laserdisc can develop a ''Scratch'' much like a Vinyl Record can. Said ''Scratch'' typically won't disturb the Audio/Video Playback Process of a Laserdisc, but what WILL happen is it will show up as ''Video Noise'' in the Video (similar to watching OTA Analog TV Broadcasts from the 70s/80s/90s/etc). Once the Laserdisc does this it is Permanent and ultimately cannot be un-done. But at least the Show/Movie doesn't go on to ''Stutter''...
That side view of side a /b transition is just pure porn. Beautiful.
"...Pioneer Surround system..." HUH? Hahahahaha! That made it!
Capolaya Heh back then I would've wanted one of these for that alone.
Better sound than at the movies??? Not on your life!
Most VHS tapes since the mid 80's did state they were "Dolby Surround" at least. I would think running them at 2.0 surround still gave off decent results. I'm sure having HiFi decks helped at least.
I picked up one it make it makes a loud noise and skips
Now most bluray players don't even come with a front panel display and you have to buy a higher end model just to get one. Kind of gone backwards in some ways.
Absolutely true. I miss those displays on new components.
i have a cld1600
will laserdiscs be worth anything one day like LP's?
or is it just us cool kids that collect it?
The picture of a laserdisc will not get better with an better player.
It will be the same.
Perhaps. Some go really high now if they have collectible covers, or were never released on other formats. Then again, I have lots of LaserDiscs that are either exclusive to the LD format, or are rare and expensive on other formats, which s till go for cheap on eBay or LLDb. E.g., there's a great western film of 1948 - better than 'Red River' in my book - called 'Blood On the Moon' starring Robert Mitchum. It has LaserDisc-exclusive commentary track by director Robert Wise, and LD-only documentaries. The only other formats it's on are bootleg dupes, and a Spanish-dubbed DVD. I paid over $40, and they go for half that today. No respect for the rare classics anymore, unless someone like Scorsese name-checks them.
Very cool, but unfortunately no S-video... :(
The Pioneer CLD-704 will do S-Video, and do it very well. So will the Pioneer CLD-501
I HoPE ITS iN atmos Dolby Sorround
think dvd looks a bit better still?
Some laserdiscs look like DVD, others look like VHS. It just depends on the movie maker.
The screen you're playing it on comes into play too, and how good the upscaler is, eg. the average DVD player comes with HDMI upscaling, while the best an LD can do is composite, on which your mileage may vary, and you're at the mercy of your TV or if it supports HDMI upscaling/conversion, AV receiver's upscaler.
Sadly, this player doesnt play VCD format
AFAIK no LD player would ever play VCD. A DVD player would (if I remember correctly)...
I just recently bought the polar opposite of this player, a LDV-4200...no features whatsoever except stereo!
Does it have the big door on the front containing the display?
databits Nope, it doesn't have a display at all! Just indicator lights.
cant it run crysis?
LOL. The Answer is ''No!'' :)
For some reason I'm finding the OSD of this player ugly to look at.
Pioneer always loved to over-engineer there laserdisc players.
Want your player to automatically switch from Side A to Side B? It's simple! Just add a carousel contraption inside that will flip the entire laser assembly over the disc! What's that? Or you could just add a second laser assembly on top? Nonsense! That's so complex it would never work!
I guess laser assemblies must have been quite expensive to manufacture then. A player with two of them probably would have been far too expensive for anyone to buy them.
What happens if you try playing an LP record in a laser disc player?
WWWWHAT!?!?!?!??!
If you use an iPhone as your camera, guessing it’s mounted on some type of tripod, and that you do not use the awful flash on it for video lighting, but some type of external lighting? There is no way to get that kind of lighting on an iPhone otherwise. I fell into laserdisc decades ago- it truly is a dreadful format.
Laserdiscs 5UCK. DVD, Blu-ray, and CD R0CK5
Your intro looks antiquated. Might wanna consider updating it.
You said "the unit" too many times.😒😒😒
Laserdiscs must be discontinued, I WANT DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤😤😤😊😊😊😊😊☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
you said it will play all format. Sorry YOU ARE SO WRONG. What it will not play is DVD cannot play DVIX DISC and cannot play BLU-RAY, BLU-RAY 3D, BLU-RAY 4K.,. Well the list that I noted in those format is not invented yet. LAZER DISC was invented as a stepping stone to lead to DVD and DVIX DISC
we'll done on the camera work to
we'll done on the camera work to