Age of War 2: Insane Difficulty Complete - Nostalgic Flash Games (2010)

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  • čas přidán 10. 10. 2015
  • "Age of War 2" follows the series, refining the gameplay of its predecessor with improved graphics and design. It also featured the musical talents of Waterflame's "Glorious Morning".
    PLAY AGE OF WAR 2: www.aseplayer.com/flash/age-o...
    MORE FLASH GAMES AT: www.aseplayer.com/flash-games
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Komentáře • 816

  • @AsePlayer
    @AsePlayer  Před 3 lety +613

    PLAY AGE OF WAR 2: www.aseplayer.com/flash/age-of-war-2
    MORE FLASH GAMES AT: www.aseplayer.com/flash-games

  • @pr0jectzero281
    @pr0jectzero281 Před 3 lety +4046

    “Free internet games. TO THE MAX”
    Oh god the nostalgia...

  • @wholeyduck1584
    @wholeyduck1584 Před 3 lety +2845

    It’s crazy how we all just stumbled across this game back then like it’s not like we were on social media and following some sort of trend we all just randomly found the same random browser game

    • @sebayampharos5874
      @sebayampharos5874 Před 3 lety +43

      true

    • @belvss
      @belvss Před 3 lety +175

      EXACTLY BRO i was shocked when i found so many people played this game also

    • @shoaibhussain8858
      @shoaibhussain8858 Před 2 lety +38

      Yeah man..I didn't even know that people would have played this game as I did...

    • @Mahsei
      @Mahsei Před 2 lety +49

      Honestly, that’s how I feel. It’s really nice to find other people playing the same games I did years back. Now we’re all here to take a trip down memory lane together.

    • @zestybot2133
      @zestybot2133 Před 2 lety +1

      I played the first one in my tablet when I was like 7

  • @nojus650
    @nojus650 Před 4 lety +2869

    This brought a tear to my eye.. realized how quick we all grow up.. The music brought me back 10 years...

    • @zachkretschmann8935
      @zachkretschmann8935 Před 4 lety +61

      Such nostalgia you are right. Back then it was so simple

    • @nojus650
      @nojus650 Před 4 lety +8

      @@zachkretschmann8935 well said

    • @chipzahoity9574
      @chipzahoity9574 Před 4 lety +15

      Bro I'm only 12 and I loved the memories that came to me from this game

    • @kopfsalat6674
      @kopfsalat6674 Před 4 lety +2

      Swaggie 250 too i loved the game

    • @chipzahoity9574
      @chipzahoity9574 Před 4 lety +4

      @@kopfsalat6674 I'm 13 now :)

  • @grantplunkett8410
    @grantplunkett8410 Před 3 lety +1467

    He asked for 10 likes... if only he could’ve known how many people would watch this in the future

    • @iscream1080
      @iscream1080 Před 3 lety +74

      He’s grown up, no we’ve all grown up.

    • @vlg4474
      @vlg4474 Před rokem +5

      Fr dude

  • @thexjade379
    @thexjade379 Před 4 lety +1646

    Real war: chaos
    Age of war: EVERYBODY PLEASE MAKE A LINE BEFORE FIGHTING YOUR ENEMY

    • @raiden6607
      @raiden6607 Před 3 lety +31

      It's a 2d

    • @marcomarco7750
      @marcomarco7750 Před 3 lety +11

      lfmao you killed me XD

    • @bernardodominguez6621
      @bernardodominguez6621 Před 3 lety +88

      I mean thats actually how war was in the past when you think about it, everyone fought in formation and you had to wait for the guy standing in front of you to die to be able to push forward

    • @maikatideibaskapanaumrqlatupa
      @maikatideibaskapanaumrqlatupa Před 3 lety +6

      @@bernardodominguez6621 thats absolute nonsense dude

    • @sekstussekstus1075
      @sekstussekstus1075 Před 3 lety +74

      @@maikatideibaskapanaumrqlatupa It actually isnt all that much nonsense. Ancient and medieval warfare was pretty strategic and breaking formations was reeeally unfavourable, armies didnt just charge like maniacs into enemy ranks, they would rush full on to intimidated the enemy but would instinctively stop just before they got in the range of the enemy . Ofc im sure there were battles that were more chaotic and wild but they were nothing like hollywood depictions.

  • @gibsano8446
    @gibsano8446 Před 3 lety +859

    “Everyone, please line up in an orderly queue and wait your turn to beat the shit out of eachother”

  • @no64256
    @no64256 Před 2 lety +417

    Such a simple flash game had no reason to have such a goddamn amazing OST (even if it was basically one track). No joke, it's probably the only reason I remembered the game for years. It's impressive how much one song can carry this admittedly simple (but fun) game

    • @bigsweatyboy1
      @bigsweatyboy1 Před rokem +5

      whenever I get the chance on my old relatives computer when we visit I instantly hop on kizi because they have a browser that still supports flash

    • @ultrcombraun1559
      @ultrcombraun1559 Před rokem

      Produced entirely by waterflame

    • @AVI-lh6rm
      @AVI-lh6rm Před rokem +3

      Waterflame was the GOAT of flash game OST's.

    • @gideon4942
      @gideon4942 Před 4 měsíci

      Look into Flashpoint by BlueMaxima bro. Any flash game you could ever want to play is on there.

  • @Master_Brutus
    @Master_Brutus Před 2 lety +145

    Okay but legit though, why did these two colonies start fighting ever since the stone age?
    I bet one caveman touched another cavemans rocks.
    And it led to cyber mechs with laser cannons in an all out war.

  • @marixsunnyotp3142
    @marixsunnyotp3142 Před 2 lety +162

    It's 2022 now, and it still feels odd having Egyptian age after Spartan age

  • @BrunetteViking
    @BrunetteViking Před 3 lety +768

    -My liege, we are surrounded by enemy cannons what should we do?
    - 15:39 Buy another tower slot.
    - By your command, sire!

  • @armanon9225
    @armanon9225 Před 3 lety +580

    Back when free games were FREE

    • @BrunetteViking
      @BrunetteViking Před 3 lety +13

      If it were up to you, you would have punched the enemy base and ended there and then.

    • @eliasvonbrille
      @eliasvonbrille Před 3 lety +2

      The site isn't closed thought, right?

    • @Marcus_405
      @Marcus_405 Před 2 lety +2

      To the max

    • @z3ronotfund939
      @z3ronotfund939 Před 2 lety +1

      yea

    • @rumblebird9888
      @rumblebird9888 Před 2 lety +6

      Mobile games like to have a lot of micro transactions these days it stinks

  • @GhOsT-st7ch
    @GhOsT-st7ch Před 5 lety +727

    :( memories when we were kids

  • @sunglasses654
    @sunglasses654 Před 4 lety +310

    9:08 The priests: YOU... SHALL NOOT... PAAASSSS!!!!

  • @MeargleSchmeargle
    @MeargleSchmeargle Před 3 lety +89

    Never did realize just how op ranged units are in this

  • @ploopybear
    @ploopybear Před 5 lety +276

    14:22 Always loved those insanely op cannons

    • @ploopybear
      @ploopybear Před 5 lety +18

      music is by-far the best part, however

    • @mymusicplaylist6889
      @mymusicplaylist6889 Před 4 lety

      @@ploopybear Glorious Morning 1 or Glorious Morning 2?

    • @ploopybear
      @ploopybear Před 4 lety +8

      @@mymusicplaylist6889 um, idk I like the first game's music

    • @salinr8523
      @salinr8523 Před 4 lety +1

      Fr

  • @mymusicplaylist6889
    @mymusicplaylist6889 Před 4 lety +417

    Brings a tear to ones eye when Glorious Morning 1 & 2 come on

  • @AwareOrSomething
    @AwareOrSomething Před 3 lety +225

    We didn't know we were making memories we were just having fun

    • @TrickyyCluckk
      @TrickyyCluckk Před 2 lety +3

      Holy smokes that sounds so beautiful

    • @wiggle9924
      @wiggle9924 Před 2 lety +5

      @@TrickyyCluckk It's a quote from Winnie the Pooh (:

    • @DonDidThatt
      @DonDidThatt Před 2 lety +3

      That's deep

  • @hacylon
    @hacylon Před 3 lety +31

    The nostalgia telling me im 23 old now and played this game 12 years plus ago. Gosh missed those memories.

  • @SilverJ17
    @SilverJ17 Před 2 lety +43

    Wow, in this game, the AI actually waited longer than the player to evolve for two ages. Usually, in the first game, I'm still on Clubmen until the Modern Era so I can build my tower of turrets. It kind of bothers me after seeing the Impossible Difficulty of 1 that they still don't even bother with the Super Soldier unit, even on that difficulty.

    • @tanatep23
      @tanatep23 Před 2 lety +1

      If they do this game will truly be inpossible

    • @mathiasmaidana3068
      @mathiasmaidana3068 Před 2 lety +2

      @@tanatep23 i dont think, in mobile version the i.a. evolves more fast than flash

    • @trickygamer555
      @trickygamer555 Před 2 lety +10

      I think it evolved slower because it was being attacked, so they used their non-existent resources on defending instead.

  • @doofusboy7054
    @doofusboy7054 Před 3 lety +68

    Since a lot of people are watching videos like this one in memoriam I thought I’d just pop in and let you know in case you didn’t that there are still a few different ways to play Flash games post-2020, albeit not in the original way we used to: these are mainly through Bluemaxima’s Flashpoint, Ruffle, various collections and compilations from the developers themselves and a few other ways too. Essentially if you’re sad about Flash’s death and worry you’ll never be able to play those games and revisit those memories ever again, do not fear because you still can quite easily!

    • @obi-wan-jacobi840
      @obi-wan-jacobi840 Před 2 lety +2

      I thought about this game recently because the music popped into my head, and that is how I discovered and downloaded Flashpoint. It’s so great that people are able to preserve such a specific part of our internet culture.

    • @odysseasv7734
      @odysseasv7734 Před 2 lety +2

      there is also the flash game archive

  • @alazarth2985
    @alazarth2985 Před 3 lety +36

    I think I am like actually crying because of the memories right now

  • @ineedhelpplw3710
    @ineedhelpplw3710 Před 8 lety +181

    Dude I used to play the first game so much when I was younger!

    • @AsePlayer
      @AsePlayer  Před 8 lety +37

      It is a good trip down memory lane :)

    • @ineedhelpplw3710
      @ineedhelpplw3710 Před 8 lety +15

      Yeah, I might just play it again :)
      Ps great vid, range span op

    • @AsePlayer
      @AsePlayer  Před 8 lety +16

      Ineedhelpplw Range spam teched into anti-armor cannons is the way to go :)

    • @chipzahoity9574
      @chipzahoity9574 Před 4 lety +3

      ME TOO I'm 12 by the way

    • @enochfeng3233
      @enochfeng3233 Před 2 lety +4

      *6 years ago*

  • @lithpylarry2019
    @lithpylarry2019 Před 3 lety +44

    Rip to anyone who had bass boost when those Egyptian priests started raining fire upon everyone 🤣

    • @DonDidThatt
      @DonDidThatt Před 2 lety +3

      I was not expecting the bombardment to say the least

    • @shakowz
      @shakowz Před 2 lety +2

      Agree i Always panik when Egyptian priests shoot

  • @xvnbm
    @xvnbm Před 3 lety +33

    I finally beat this game on insane level. I took the safe tactic and build my defence before started attacking. I though that spamming support and anti-armor may be the best option, but I wanted to check other tactics only after playing with my own tactic. I beat the game, but it took longer. It is pretty hard to beat the futuristic age's defence without god's wrath and that makes it slow. Spamming support seems to work pretty well, if you are using some XP to kill those dinosaurs on stone age and evolve little slower.

    • @mathiasmaidana3068
      @mathiasmaidana3068 Před 2 lety

      in age of war 2 (mobile) u can beat insane with only melee so that show what easy it is

  • @Queefersutherland97
    @Queefersutherland97 Před rokem +8

    The first age of war will always be the better game but making a sequel to a masterpiece is always difficult given that I’d pay just to play these games again I’m not sure why your video came up in my recommendation but it brought back memories

  • @trisssssssss
    @trisssssssss Před 3 lety +15

    Funny how this game is also about the coming of age and evolution. Brings us all back to the simpler times.....

  • @Smurez
    @Smurez Před 3 lety +42

    "10 likes = an in depth explanation"
    4 years later almost 600.000 views

  • @alasdairsinclair916
    @alasdairsinclair916 Před 3 lety +17

    "Unlimited *rocks* !"
    Early game in a nutshell.

  • @Empridon
    @Empridon Před 3 lety +15

    Man the music brings back memories...... Still remember how it goes :') time flies man ...

  • @OldManGotMoves
    @OldManGotMoves Před 3 lety +12

    I wanna play this game again man, so nostalgic... I usually go to the computer cafe just to play this game when i was a kiddo 😭

  • @You-ul8qw
    @You-ul8qw Před 3 lety +14

    I tend to like staying at my base with a turret dishing out large amounts of damage, whilst reinforcing mostly with tanky melee units so I can trade efficiently that way, and investing into those types of attack waves once I get to future, because I have a much much better income by then, but this works to.

  • @AwareOrSomething
    @AwareOrSomething Před 3 lety +10

    Adobe Flash will forever be a part of the internet and in our hearts

  • @nahuel_cwsplitrunning799
    @nahuel_cwsplitrunning799 Před 7 lety +42

    With Cannons,black gunpowder and upgrade damage is easy to win

  • @piratetongpo2001
    @piratetongpo2001 Před 3 lety +7

    Those was golden days when i use to play this game almost a Day on my computer, what a memory bring back😢

  • @FatheredPuma81
    @FatheredPuma81 Před 3 lety +11

    I remember being in awe when I'd somehow stack 2 units on top of each other.

  • @swordwaker7749
    @swordwaker7749 Před 3 lety +39

    Ahh... back in the old days, I couldn't beat these games. Now, going back to old games, I noticed that most games on insane difficulty can only be beaten by exploiting glitch/loophole/unintended use of feature/stupid AI.

    • @mathiasmaidana3068
      @mathiasmaidana3068 Před 2 lety +2

      Sorry but what is loophole?

    • @The360MlgNoscoper
      @The360MlgNoscoper Před 2 lety +1

      I did it recently honestly.

    • @trickygamer555
      @trickygamer555 Před 2 lety +3

      There was this game called miragine war where instead of impossible mode it was called "abyss". Dang, that was a serious one. Enemy starts with almost 50% more income and you must abuse the enemy's AI to win, and even then it's not easy to do.

    • @swordwaker7749
      @swordwaker7749 Před 2 lety +1

      For me, I tanked with the turret and cheap melee units until I got enough money to upgrade the "support" range as well as damage and income as well. Then, I just spammed them non-stop and upgraded my castle whenever I could.

  • @Jasonic_Youtube
    @Jasonic_Youtube Před rokem +5

    Wow this is the old version of age of war 2, i remember playing it in 2013

  • @puff7145
    @puff7145 Před rokem +4

    I love how we just happen to find the same OP strategies by chance, even as kids. I remember spamming the fuck out of those cannons and winning instantly

    • @nur-aminjawad2035
      @nur-aminjawad2035 Před 8 měsíci

      When your enemy was in alien were they unstoppable with their defense

  • @mattlikesmilkd1685
    @mattlikesmilkd1685 Před 3 lety +9

    I remember thinking that the assult spartan looked like a big bunch of eggs

    • @olegmoki
      @olegmoki Před 2 lety

      I haven't played it, but firstly i saw there the thing you said :D
      (by the way it's you Niko!!!!!)

  • @rogofos
    @rogofos Před rokem +2

    its so weird seeing the anubis warrior lose 1v1 to armoured Spartan
    you have both the era and the type advantage but still lose
    absolutely bonkers

  • @ahmadalomar42
    @ahmadalomar42 Před 2 lety +3

    0:14
    Bro that drop of music😭😭😭

  • @JustAPersonWhoComments
    @JustAPersonWhoComments Před 2 lety +2

    It’s 2022 and you still remember this nostalgic game

  • @the_jingo
    @the_jingo Před 3 lety +20

    I remembered how broken anubis was in this game

  • @henchman1366
    @henchman1366 Před 3 lety +19

    Guys, tell my I'm not only one who cried

  • @ohokay8966
    @ohokay8966 Před 8 lety +37

    When are you gonna play AGE OF WAR 3!

  • @thedislikebutton3003
    @thedislikebutton3003 Před 3 lety +5

    Damn Friv and Y8 were the places where i discoverd these games

    • @nikamiruashvili1571
      @nikamiruashvili1571 Před 3 lety +1

      Yo i play on both those but sadly friv 2014 isn't playable anymore :(

    • @ninjapirate123
      @ninjapirate123 Před 3 lety +1

      I discovered these games on Kizi long time ago

  • @miweneia
    @miweneia Před rokem +1

    I love how you left the entire song playing out at the end, it’s such an honest banger

  • @rebelzwedge6923
    @rebelzwedge6923 Před 8 lety +7

    brings back the old memories... *sigh*

  • @theguy6421
    @theguy6421 Před 4 lety +5

    This brings back memories.

  • @inspecthergadget4503
    @inspecthergadget4503 Před 3 lety +3

    The music brings back so much nostalgia..

  • @mistersandwich0034
    @mistersandwich0034 Před 3 lety +3

    good ol times, friends🥲

  • @michaelchristidis8658
    @michaelchristidis8658 Před 2 lety +3

    To know that people played this while I had 0 clue of what people my age did back then feels so good...

  • @KrazyCale1
    @KrazyCale1 Před 2 lety +1

    I freaking love my childhood. Thanks FLASH

  • @lavrex6491
    @lavrex6491 Před 3 lety +3

    We didn't know we are making memories... We are just having fun. The old times where free games was free.

  • @muhammedefeurhan567
    @muhammedefeurhan567 Před 3 lety +3

    Man i was 8 when this video was published brings back memories to me 😔😢

  • @thelagzzreel
    @thelagzzreel Před 3 lety +2

    My past.... is now present!!! I cant take such nostalgia

  • @MemeRaider
    @MemeRaider Před 3 lety +2

    2010: Free Internet Games to the max
    2020: Free Mobile Games with Ads to the max filled with worthless transactions.

  • @Dubztepper
    @Dubztepper Před 2 lety +1

    I can't resist the nostalgia!!

  • @newmannewman6043
    @newmannewman6043 Před rokem +1

    I love how this just appeared in my feed for some reason 😂

  • @shubhanshunaik6131
    @shubhanshunaik6131 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you, fuking thank you
    In my childhood, my aunt had wifi and whenever I used to visit I used to play random games on the browser.
    I had fresh memories of this type of games but didn't knew the name all these years I was trying to find it and now it's finally coming together
    Thank you mate 😊

  • @dokkill
    @dokkill Před 5 lety +2

    Amazing game 😍 one of my favorites

  • @OverPEN
    @OverPEN Před rokem +2

    AI: use different units, builds turrets, trying to win
    Player: *HEHEH support units go BRRRRRR*

  • @timecrashv5wu709
    @timecrashv5wu709 Před 3 lety +5

    this guy is a legend

  • @AlexReTard.
    @AlexReTard. Před 3 lety +3

    That music, why am i crying?

  • @TheStompy1988
    @TheStompy1988 Před 6 lety +3

    Glorious morning by waterflame that song

  • @ojemacocsicnsrf70
    @ojemacocsicnsrf70 Před 2 lety

    I downloaded it from play store like a month, can't stop playing xD

  • @TheUltra9630
    @TheUltra9630 Před 2 lety +1

    OMG
    I still remember this game
    Omg it's so NOSTALGIC

  • @thomasyang9517
    @thomasyang9517 Před 3 měsíci

    I always knew about ranged stacking in age of empires 1, but wow it's super effective in age of empires 2 because ranged targets *behind* the next enemy. So you can actually take advantage of the grouping at your base

    • @thomasyang9517
      @thomasyang9517 Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah, it's super effective in caveman and priest era, but the other eras where ranged only targets the closest unit it's not as good :(

    • @thomasyang9517
      @thomasyang9517 Před 3 měsíci

      But i guess the treasure trove of gold you've stacked up is more than enough to carry through the bad ranged eras.

    • @thomasyang9517
      @thomasyang9517 Před 3 měsíci

      Never mind, wow. Just ends with a cannon rush XD

  • @tq5556
    @tq5556 Před 4 lety +1

    aw man remember friv and all the epicness it held

  • @MO_RA_AL
    @MO_RA_AL Před měsícem +1

    a lot of memories

  • @potato1341
    @potato1341 Před 3 lety +3

    I was hoping he'd use the free mage without upgrade glitch.

  • @akenow.
    @akenow. Před 3 lety +3

    Goodbye flash games

  • @xanatar3009
    @xanatar3009 Před 3 lety +2

    When the youtube recommended hits just right

  • @peterd4047
    @peterd4047 Před rokem +1

    Was the AI able to use the specials in the first game or only this one?

  • @an639dre4
    @an639dre4 Před 3 lety +1

    At the beginning of the video there is a game on the right, ¿what is its name?

  • @ALFFFY
    @ALFFFY Před 3 lety +2

    I Will Miss playing this in my school 10/10 best ost

  • @acoknitteruntemha
    @acoknitteruntemha Před 2 měsíci

    bro won it with no defensive mechanism, that's genius

  • @rameltanjay5206
    @rameltanjay5206 Před 4 lety +2

    This reminds me of the olden times

  • @user-uy8yt7ku4w
    @user-uy8yt7ku4w Před rokem +2

    Tbh 2nd part is a big stepback in terms of graphics. I'm hardcore Age Of War 1 fan

  • @Alexis-bo3qw
    @Alexis-bo3qw Před 6 lety +1

    how can i record age of war 2 in fullscreen like you please help!

  • @collinbeilke8231
    @collinbeilke8231 Před 2 lety +1

    Chicken guns are the way to go at 1st,support after bows are available

  • @BrowserTroll2025
    @BrowserTroll2025 Před 2 lety

    How'd you recruit the Mage at 10:56 without the upgrade?

  • @Leononus
    @Leononus Před 3 lety +4

    Its been 5 years or more since I played this game and I'm happy that this game was the first game I ever played

  • @yggdrasil8420
    @yggdrasil8420 Před 2 lety

    Damn that music
    Nostalgia, when i was a kid i was like "noo annoying music" but then this music is now part of me

  • @JvanFelipe
    @JvanFelipe Před 3 lety +2

    Epic

  • @g.d.graham2446
    @g.d.graham2446 Před 2 lety +2

    Man this iconic music. Does anyone know it's name?
    P.S. This game does allow you to see HP if you turn it on

  • @aaronhernandez2782
    @aaronhernandez2782 Před rokem

    How were you able to create mages at 10:50 if you didn't have the Library build yet?

  • @ERMantap
    @ERMantap Před 3 lety +1

    Nice trick, realy insane

  • @Bxrsxrk8600
    @Bxrsxrk8600 Před 4 lety +2

    i remember playing it 8 yrs ago

  • @gioevangelista1931
    @gioevangelista1931 Před 3 lety +2

    Music Is From Miragine War Used to be my Favourite

  • @ToVods
    @ToVods Před 3 lety +3

    I’m here after flash got shut down I miss this game ;(

    • @PetraRal
      @PetraRal Před 3 lety +1

      You can download Flashpoint and play all the flash games

  • @korfirs4400
    @korfirs4400 Před rokem

    I use to play a lot of this game on my mom computer. So much memory.

  • @ethannovak7996
    @ethannovak7996 Před 3 lety +1

    Rip flash cant play these amazing games no more swords and sandals rip

    • @nikamiruashvili1571
      @nikamiruashvili1571 Před 3 lety

      I hate to break it to you but you can download y8 browser to play thousands of flash games and you can you use flashpoint to download specific flash games

    • @ungabungalunga1002
      @ungabungalunga1002 Před 2 měsíci

      Goddammnn that game was good, I used to play this hacked version where I'd make the guy bigger than the entire stadium ffs
      It was fun, time does fly

  • @Idislikeasalways
    @Idislikeasalways Před 2 lety

    Dang, remembe when the assault spartan have that desing?, or when the last unit (like tank) needed buy the upgrade of the store for get it?, old times

  • @shadowambush711
    @shadowambush711 Před 3 lety +5

    I LIKE HOW THEY WAIT IN LINE TO DIE

  • @renzoSa2006
    @renzoSa2006 Před rokem +2

    Yo ayer andaba padeciendo en este modo, luego logre remontar y alfinal cuando estaba ya casi presionando al bot en la era del futuro con todo al maximo se me cierra el flash point . _____.

  • @kevincarpenter7681
    @kevincarpenter7681 Před 3 lety +1

    Best nostalgia ever

  • @Tod_x
    @Tod_x Před rokem +4

    2010s Kids:
    2020s kids: tiktok

  • @carterjonsson1215
    @carterjonsson1215 Před 2 lety +2

    Can’t believe I’m commenting on something so old but how did he buy cannons without buying the “black powder” upgrade for them first?