WHY MIXING WITH VINYL IS A THOUSAND TIMES MOR DIFICULT THAN USING A CONTROLLER PLX-1000 DEMO PART 1
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- WHY MIXING WITH VINYL IS A THOUSAND TIMES MOR DIFICULT THAN USING A CONTROLLER PLX-1000 DEMO PART 1
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A generation of DJs grew up on your content and you are still active. You Sir are a true inspiration!
Thank you 🙏
I’m one!
@@robertgarvansnyder4665 me too :D
Yeap same here. Since 2011 ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾
Computers crash, mp3s get lost over time but your records are always waiting for you like an old friend :)
unless you leave them in your car in summertime
@@byniasofficial2567 OOF
@@byniasofficial2567 or in the garage not perfectly straight
MP3s / WAVs don’t get lost if your not an idiot
MP3s lol
I've been showing my daughter your recent videos on teaching kids timing and what not and she loves it. Keep it up. Teaching the next generation.
Thanks ❤️❤️❤️
Maaaaan ..i watch you vids for about 10 years now.. Good stuff! Keep on rollin'
Just got the Ortofon Scratch 2 concords, such a kickass cartridge, louder than my Club 2s and more versitile....Used controllers and CDJs for 10yrs and learning to mix vinyl & DVS which has rekindled the fire, more tactile and feels more real than controller mixing....Keep up the amazing tutorials, been following you for a while now
I Mix with Vinyl till 1986 😁
My first Vinyl was The Rain Oran Juice Jones ✌️
Thanks again Mr. Skins. Quality as always !
I started out as an all in one controller dj. I'm now transitioning to vinyl and just bought the plx-1000s. This is good info for me.
Beautiful. Best comment I've seen on CZcams ... #djlnr
There’s no better feeling than mastering a clean mix simple mix on straight vinyl
ah yes! best decision ever my man.
My favorite channel on CZcams!
I began on vinyl n belt driven turntables in the 90s. Then direct drive not technics then I got technics .I sold technics got cd decks and also tried a controller.
Out of all the methods personally I love vinyl esp as I understood each record well untill I bought some more. vinyl mixing is the most difficult but its nothing practice for a digital DJ to transition to won't solve.
Plus the sound from vinyl is much better.
Thank you Jonathan your an absolute gent . I watched your tutorials way back yrs ago and it's great your still practice n enjoyin ...and sharing knowledge with your great humour.
Just sold my xdj xz and got a pair of 1210’s I’ve soon realised I’m not a proper DJ 😂
I'm a 80s and 90s dj and have now moved on to ddj controllers, and yes it is harder but I liked the challenge 😂
Nice mixer, I just got that same mixer, your awesome, love your videos homie..... 👍👌🔥💯🙏
Mr Ellaskins on it. Thanks a lot.
Right on the money mate! 101% true!
Im glad I started on vinyl way before Serato was even thought of😎🔊🎚🎧💯
It's way harder to use Vinyl it must take years to learn
It does take a good while to get your head around mixing on vinyl but not years. A few weeks to maybe 2 months & you’ll get the hang of it!
@@swanswim No one cares where I live, all they want is the next good song. It's not going to do anything for me. But I really respect anyone who uses vinyl
Hi, nice video. Just wondering what you think about the pioneer PLX-1000 vs the Reloop 7000mk2. I remember that you had a 7000 on your channel some time back. Did you decide to buy the PLXs instead? Would be great if you could do a comparison video on the two turntables.
Great video as always!! I just bought a pair of Audio Technica LP-140's in silver ;)
How are they feeling
@@craigmorton8201 Love them!!!
Digital pitch fader as such is divided into increments as apposed to a technics mk2 analog fader which is infinitely incremental compared to a digital fader so in comparison to a controller they are both the same at beat matching incrementally.
Plx 1000 are good to go Well build deck Brilliant to mix on glad I bought my pair
I appreciate you so much Ellaskins. . You know why..
Cuz no alot a people no dat 😜
@@ellaskins your ability to deliver your natural self and the title of this video. 😊 cheeky title ... I've commented on boiler room and a few times was told I'm a cheeky DJ.. I wasn't being abusive at all, I even mentioned you too.. 😂😂
Seriously, as someone who picked up a controller in NZs first lock down. I am forever thankful for your tips and tricks, so a big thank you from a kiwi, keep up the videos bro, your fucking helpful!
Same as mine..slightly different....15 years old now oem table. Congrats
Hello. I have a pair of PLX-1000's and I cannot for the life of me find any videos on how to clean the pitch fader on these tables or any maintenance videos on these tables at all.
Anyway, if you have the time, I would really appreciate any help on this. Having a hell of a time keeping the pitch stable as of late and there is some slight drift with the strobes.
Thanks in advance and please stay healthy and safe.
Great educational video
If you can beat match and hold digital pitch, you will definitely be able to beat match and hold analogue pitch. Analogue is definitely better for longer, smoother mixes. But digital is more of a challenge and harder for the fact its harder to pin point the exact pitch mark to match beats and even when you do get it flush, it will start to run off after 30 seconds to a minute.
Used pioneer in 1983 to 1985 approx. and it was GREAT!👍🏻🙏🏻❤️🚀🙋🏼
In those days I started using CONCORDE... and we played ALL wet... Because of several reasons...
PS: AS the Club stopped - I could take a lot of my favorite records!🙏🏻 And during cleaning them all slmelln the bathroom smelled after beer and whiskey!😀.. now playing dry...
That reset is button would be amazing to use with pure vinyl.
You Are right about the pre og work, to get the records in crates according to tjene and bpm. Depending on the lenght og the dets, hours, three hours or allnighters. Was always a real pleasure sitting out on the floor with stacks of records streken all over the place sitting them out ahead of the might.
And if you Are out picking, the records between ca 105 to about 117 bpm Are typically really interesting because there Are a lot of both standards, rare pearls, obscure originals and one of a Linda, just because that tempo range is not times up to any particular styles.
Thanks. Really interesting channels I really havent been to much before. Strange but better late than never!🎶❄️🇧🇻
My girlfriend is always moaning my records are so disorganised. I think it's funny as I like to mix genre,I,e old 2 step garage with a new house tune.xxxx
7:30 Teach Ellaskins Teach... 👏👏👏👏
I beg to differ.. I used dvj1000s cdj800s. And 1200s and 1210 mk5g. I put the pioneers on the shelf and still use my vinyl
I would like your opinion about PLX1000. Now I have mk5 and I think change for plx1000 thanks
Nice video bro.I have ATLP 120 with phase essential.I mix on turntables for a month.I uploaded a set on my page. I would really like an opinion on whether it is good or not.I keep researching but I would like a direct opinion about me.I have touched the turntables for a maximum of one month in my life. Thank you !
This was really informative filled in the gaps from basics that I've instinctively worked with on CDJs such as not more than +/-3% or so. I have found that I can mix all day with liquid building layers between songs and themes of lyrics and feelings, but I'm struggling with the fast paced DnB mixes that seem to be a lot of cue points and memory from what I can tell. I have been thinking of going back to basics and learning vinyl mixes instead and playing the music I really understand.
Having the keylock option when playing time coded vinyl (I have a NI Traktor Z2) is nice but still prefer good ol' fashion vinyl. Nothing against controllers or anyone who uses them but I want nothing to do with them.
Totally agree with the key matching problem. What do you think about the PLX 500 if only for Techno/House mixing no scratching?
They are fine. But better with digital DJing
Would you buy these over well looked after hardly used 1210 mk2’s. £1050 for the pair? thank you
I would never recommend any thing other than technics 1210’s...nothing like the feel & sound of vinyl 👍
So true I have Mk5gs . I’ve bought a controller and had it for about a week , So many of my friends mix on a controller but honestly vinyl baffles them . For me there is no joy in having a usb with 1000s of tracks
Stanton str150 alla The way. The keylock. I love IT. I Have 1200's thou too.
i still put my tunes in bpm order and then later refine it with ordering it in keys.I did the same with vinyl but with keys it was mostly by ear as tunes that went well together just sounded musical to the ear but with bpm that was quite a quick thing to do .Some tunes came with the bpm printed which would save time.
@@b1_thewheelman true .Mostly i would use my ear and the pitch fader as a ref but having bpms printed on the label was useful
Korg kaoss is it better than the rmx 500
Hi jonathon,
Which cart and stylus would you recommend me using for old skool hardcore rave with abit of scratching but not proper hip hop style scratching ?
Sorry for butting in...
Probably just a couple of 500 al mk2 will do fine.. Old school but still great all round imo
Also the 505sk are great budget scratch orientated kit
The shure m44-7 have always been high up there in terms of quality for scratch dj'ing.. Some regard these as the best for scratching. I cant speak about new releases but some things are just that good they dont need improving.
Ortofon nightclub mk1. With spherical stylus are very good too.
Technics all the way
2:40 it is true about the ON/OFF switch on a SL1200, but there is a nice hack for this problem.
Just take off the rubber ring from the counter weight and put this over the ON/OFF switch. Problem solved.
Would say the analogue pitch on the technics will always be better imo. I have a set of reloop rp8000mk 2 which are great but I still feel digital pitch is not as good.
I had Reloops. Terrible. I have 2 xPLX1000s and 4 x Technics 1200s. The pioneers I find are way more responsive using pitch control even against the Technics. Just my opinion
@D.J. M. Yeah sorry. Mine had lots of problems with the pitch speeding up and slowing down randomly. Probably just a bad batch lot.
@D.J. M. I have got use to the digital pitch now and find them spot on its just different to what I spent 15 years plus using (1210s) I can go even further back and remember my first set of decks which had a rotary pitch and we're wooden. They were belt driven and awful to use. I have even had gemini decks when I was new to it and they were not that bad but the technics were brilliant. I do like the reloop they are solid and feel like they will last a long time.
@D.J. M. yeah my rp8000s are great use them all the time and have no issues.
Great video! What's your opinion on the PLX-500 ?
Trash overpriced player.
@@heihachi8907 pal I was going to buy pair would I be pissing my money against the wind would go with deck for around 6.00 hundred a deck pal
Why not pick a record you can play?
one question Korg kaoss is it better than the Rmx 500 in your opinion anyone
korg is more of a synth. rmx is effectors.
I've got some vestax turntables love them
@Scott Geoffrey Same Scott i sold some 1210,s back in the day ,biggest regret of my life, then bought the Vestax 4yrs ago much easier to use ,52 now got all the old stuff house /techno from the late 80,s 90,s into tech house at moment ,love mixing vinyl wouldn't were to start on that digital stuff
Whats your ratings from
Vestax pdx d3... A1... 2000...
Stanton str8 100 / 150 / st100 / st150
Technics 1200 / 1210
Pioneer plx
Numark ttx / mk2 / usb
I got a pair of pdx2000 as well. They are godlike. Best investment of my life so far. I kinda want to buy more right now as people sell them for cheap...
Used the cover to remember the song...maybe this was before BPM was really established on the cover?... my early days...
More difficult with these decks for sure.
I’m loving the vinyl journey, but I am terrible :)
Its a journey for sure. Btw you look handsome ;)
You know what u need to do........ practice and enjoy
you’ll get there! ;)
Practice makes perfect. My mate used to be terrible and now he can beat match on decks without headphones. One day you will just get it and never forget it.
It took me ages and I'm still not amazing, but you do get to a point when you just move instinctively and combined with listening it becomes very natural. Keep going 🤓
PERSONALY I THINK YOU CAN LEARN ANYTHING IF YOU USE WHATEVER IS IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE TIME,NO MATTER HOW DIFFICULT THIS SOMETHING IS. OR HOW CHEAP THE EQUIPMENT IS. YOU DON'T NEED TO OWN THE BEST STUFF TO BECOME GREAT AT THE ART OF THE DJ....JUST SAYIN'.
Im still in debate with the plx1000 and the reloop 7000 as both have really good write up
Just get one and be happy with it
Noone has ever gave a damn about a record playing out of pitch, not a dj and not an audience... not until the invention of digital DJing. ...and even now I doubt anyone has ever stopped dancing and though 'This is out of key, I'm off!'
So I dont know what you are talking about here mate, you seem to be perpetuating a myth.
There are surviving tapes from old discos (disco era, chicago etc) and the tracks are sped up, there are old HipHop performances and the backings are playing at common tempo rather than pitch perfect, it is the same for every contempory genre... Since when has there been an issue about mixing in key?
The only pre-digital DJ I have EVER heard of that mixed in key was DJ Sasha, and he was unique in that respect, noone cared. Unless you have pitch-perfect hearing you most likely wouldnt notice to begin with.
But I'm sure you wouldnt say what you did without good reasons or experience so hopefully you will address this in a future video.
...Here is my alternative explanation on why you would order your records by BPM :
First up it is not actually possible because it is likely that all the tracks on a record would be at different bpms to start with, however, IF you have a particular set of track you know you want to play you would order them in pitch for the simple reason that that 8% is a finite amount so you are reducing the likely hood you pick out two tracks that are so far apart in BPM that you cant mix them together. Who wants to waste prescious minutes trying to get two tracks of fit only to find the BPM difference is to wide? Noone. If the BPMs are close it is a time saver, it is less work for you. But you don't even have to do that you can just make a not (on the sleeve or the record, or attatch a sticker somewhere) of the BPM and order the records by genre or BPM, or just practice and remember which tracks work together and which dont :D
Hope this doesnt come across as a diss or a rant, I just dont see why people come out with this pitch/key mixing nonsense as if it was always a thing :D
I saw Jeremy Healy in the record booth once, circa 2000. He had key and tempo written on labels on all his vinyl I think. Memory may be hazy however!!!
It's more difficult but it's not super hard. I don't even remember learning to mix, I just did it naturally. My first mixes were scratching old records in over a drum machine that I had. Did it with a belt drive that would speed up really fast after you released the record too. Learn to scratch if you want a real challenge honestly.
I would be very surprised if people were not aware of keylock and the lack of on decks, or at least most. Mine for example do have keylock although I don't use it.
Keylock on vinyl players? So they're digital?
@@FunctionGermany yup
Any advice on someone trying to transition from a controller to vinyl?
Get some turntables and records and start mixing
Well done for the great idea 😉 but saying that i have respect for all djs regardless.. Just a slightly higher respect for the old school vinyl junkies 👍
Or just watch some of jonathons vinyl vids
Cool, but why don't you just play a tune that has no copyright claims to show us in practice ? That would have been nice
thats funny because i find its the other way around with most controllers using static jogs.I just never liked the feel of static jogs on cdjs or controllers though right now im using a pair of pioneer mk3s i think but as soon as i get the chance im getting some mk2 Rane twelves that have full sized spinning platters and turntables from the classic Stanton str8 range.Of course if one grew up with cdjs and controllers then vinyl may seem hard but i still like vinyl best even though i have used all kinds of gear over the years.
Currently using my Technics Mk2 1210's with Phase. Gives me the best of both worlds if I what to spin vinyl or DVS and far cheaper than the Rane 12's if you have turntables already.
@@djearlgray true and i did have Technics but i had to go abroad and my flat was being sold and i wasnt sure if they would fit where i was going and i couldnt afford to transport them so i gave them to a dj friend that needed them more than i did for Christmas and as it turned out because of Covid her radio show had to be broadcast from home so they came in handy and now with a new lock down again very useful .So i have some old pioneer mk3s but when its possible i will get some classic Stantons and mk2 Rane 12s as well as a new mixer at some later date and on that i am undecided.I had been using dvs with my Technics and turntables ,vinyl and dvs is my ideal set up but my vinyl is in Guildford so currently the mk3 Pioneer cdjs will suffice .
"...So you better be good on your microphone."
LMAO!! :-D
I’m considering these to replace my 13 year old Stanton st.150 which are starting to show a bit of wear. Getting more tempted with every video I see
Reloop 7000 MKII is better than the pioneers more solid!
@@12tribes61 I actually went for the Reloop in the end and am very happy to be fair
can you test Technics MK7 please mate ?
agree! would be very helpful 👍
Whats the point in having great decks. Unless you make the most of them🤗🤷♂️
Better than mk2s? Not in a million years. If you want long transitions, forget digital pitches.
Exactly!
@@AmbientWanderer Not that I've tried them, but the Reloop RP-7000 MK2 looks like a better option as they have motor torque adjustment.
Why? You can just keep adjusting, which you do anyways if you're doing vynjl djing
@@djearlgray if you like to pitch ride when adjusting the tempo to beat match then analog pitch faders are the way forward. so yes,. i would choose the 1210's any day if your intentions are for long mixes & transitions . If you're simply a hip hop dj and like to scratch or only intend to do very short transitions then sure, buy a deck with a digital pitch fader. Most of my mixes/ transitions are around the 2 minute mark, so a deck with a digital pitch fader just does not cut it,. because I don't want to have to be fighting the platter & motor all the time during a long mix.
I have a pair of at lp120 X's and have no problem keeping a long mix
Set your decks up properly! Unless you don't want too. Especially if your gonna attempt to demo scratching etc
the Pioneers are ok but not as good as Technics.Even the new Technics are expensive but not good .The classic Stanton str8 range are great.
ive got 4 tech 12 mk7s and they are better than the mk2s i own. not as robust as the mk2 but a few more options and better feel in my opinion.
I'm pretty damn sure you and I are the only ones who call it like it is when saying the name Technics and not Techniques...
Jurassic park and the goggles. Are they heavy? Well that means theyre expensive put them down. Similar thing i suppose, minus the goggles, and a dinosaur or 2
So, the conclusion is that mixing with vinyl is a thousand more times different than using a controller?
Only real deejay can mix with vinyl
Wtf man u should never put your records on that plastic sheet you still need your slipmat on the plastic it just reduces friction for scratchin
You are wrong. Pioneer bought license from Henpin chineese factory and release "turntable" with bit different case, but it's still OEM turntable llike reloop 6/7/8k, Stanton STR150, Omnitronice DD4520 and few more less popular companies like BST etc. It's 100 percent china shieet.
Goodluck trying to keep the bpm on those desks .
Facts
I’ve heard they’re not great for mixing
I will let you know once I get my teeth into them
@@ellaskins Look forward to your findings. What i have heard is they are fine for short transitions and scratching, but not for DJ-'s like myself who do transitions for over 2 minutes.
@@ellaskins Pioneers have a problem with feedback. czcams.com/video/mNzMcH2ZbtU/video.html
@@gnzllr yes that's true. They're complete junk
DO NOT BUY The Pioneer PLX-1000 - They're are riddled with feedback, tone-arm and other problems. Not just mine but thousands and thousands of disgruntled customers. So much so they nearly bankrupted BOP DJ and other big stockists. Hold onto your Technics 1200/10 MK 2's, 3's,4's or 5's. And DO NOT BUY Technics MK 7's - Just overpriced MK 2's! Technics 1200/10 MK 2-5's are not 'up to-date perfect' but they've proved their robust longevity. If you want a pair of decks with more torque and detachable phono's get the Re-Loop 7000 Mk 2's. Never the Pioneers.
Ain't a 1210., I'll pass.
Agreed
Nobody’s djing at this moment Out There.Covid!!!!
Even more impressive that Ellaskins is offering free information to the public in these difficult times! Thanks Jonathan, bringing the smiles in 2020! :)
@@dayzh93 😂
This will certainly trigger the millennial's who use Auto Sync and BPM counters
They are not called millennials, they are called casual DJs. I also don't use Sync and sometimes train without any beat counter or BPMs.
@@FunctionGermany fair enough
Why would I play on vinyls in 2020, when the technology allows me to do the same thing more practically?...I just hate when some old schoolers say like "where are ur records, no vinyls? are u even a real dj and stuff"...I think they just got run over by the time and can't stand the digital world. They can't stand that they had to learn and practise beatmatching the hard way while a hipster nowadays can just press the sync button...
@@svijapes lol nothing wrong with digital, but if all you an do is play on a controller with auto everything then, no, definitely not a proper DJ.
Stop it, worse than tim westwood