I don't mind paying a few extra dollars for the accessories, as long as they fit properly and aren't such a headache to install. I do think that Honda should include the rack with the bike, and there should be the option for the color-matched (blue) version that they use in all of their marketing literature (online and print). The chrome-only option is a bit misleading and disappointing, IMHO. --QM
Yes, Honda seems to offer lower competitive prices for their motorcycles in order to undercut the competition. Their strategy (from what I have seen with my Africa Twin & Super Cub) is to sell bare bones motorcycles at lower prices than other makers. Then Honda buyers if they want a center stand, side stand, real radiator guard, real bash plate, a windshield or a good windshield, heated grips, cruise control, etc. then the buyer must add those later at his/her expense. YOU CHOICE IS: This is one of those life lessons that you can not do anything about but accept i.e. buy a *lower costing* bare bones reliable Honda *OR* buy a *very expensive,* not as reliable Harley or not as reliable BMW decked out with everything.
@@sweetcostarica Yes, that is obviously their pricing strategy. The other side of that coin is that most of those accessories are just exactly that - accessories. Notice that they are not sold under the title of “necessities”. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
Thanks again for another really helpful video. I checked my Honda rack by offering it up to the bike and same problem! Having learnt from your video I expanded it a little using a car jack before fitting and it worked a treat. Was able to fit it without damage, so big thank you!
Thx again for the feedback! I'm glad that this video helped. If anyone can benefit from my trials and tribulations, then it wasn't all done in vain. The OEM rack's quality seems to be hit or miss... some owners have commented saying that they didn't have any fitment issues at all. I have since replaced my OEM rack with the Kijima rear carrier from Webike in Japan ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ). The Kijima rack fits much better, and it's slightly wider and longer... it just works better for my purposes. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thank you for the video. The tip about the plastic bag over the bolt was really helpful. I have just bought and fitted the Honda rear rack to my Cub today. It fitted perfectly first time, (thank goodness) so they have either improved or you were unlucky. Thanks again and safe travels.
I just fit mine with a rear seat on the OEM rack from Thailand. Took 30 seconds. It's not a perfect match to OEM seat but close. I also installed the rear foot pegs. I liked the cleaner looking set that use the mount points in the swing arm. The mount points are just a piece of steel rod welded on either side of the swing arm. I drilled blind holes with a cordless drill and hand taped. If you go this route order an M8 1.25 bottoming tap same time you order the pegs. Just tape it so the swarf does't scratch the swing arm. This install was real easy an I'm real happy with the pegs. Also I think you just got a bad rack. Mine slips on and off.
Picked up my cub last Friday. They had the rack in stock so I worked it into the deal. Was nervous because of the trouble you had. Mine fit like a glove, no scratching. I did not get an instruction sheet, your video was helpful.
Sweet! Congrats on your new Cub! I'm glad that other owners out there haven't had the trouble with the rack that I did... that really annoyed me... Honda's quality control is usually better than that. --QM
thanks for your video, it helped me instal my rack. Mine had no problems in the back but was a little tight in the front. Fixed it with a few blows just like you did.
Went to the dealer today and picked up my bike! Man is this thing a kick to ride it takes me back to the 60s with all the modern conveniences! The heel toe shifter has a little getting used to but once you master it whatA fun scoot
Ain't it great?! I'm always surprised at how much fun the little bikes are. They might not have tire-shredding torque or blinding top speed, but they make up for it with the goofy grin factor. It's corny and cliché, but I always seem to catch myself smiling for no reason at all when I'm riding the Cub (or my other small scoots). The Cub is a real conversation starter, too... in every parking lot and at most stop lights, people want to ask about the bike, if it's an old/restored one or new one, where did I get it, how much did cost, where can they get one, etc, etc. Sure, there are also plenty of D-bag Houston drivers that would rather run me over than strike up a conversation, but people are generally interested in the bike and they go out of their way to be friendly and chat me up. I gave up on wanting to look cool and go fast years ago... I'd rather ride happy, go slow, and take in the scenery. ;-) --QM
@@samsacre I went to the dealer yesterday and took at look at the Monkey. I like it, but the Cub seems so much better to me. The Monkey just looks like a reskinned Grom with fat tires. I didn't ride it, so I don't have any mechanical opinions about it... so I'm not bashing it... I just prefer the Cub's retro appeal. --QM
Hello,I live in Jakarta, Indonesia, and recently purchased a 2019 C125 Supercub. Mine was made in Vietnam, and there are some slight differences in the fit out to yours. For example, mine already had the center stand and side stand fitted when delivered, it also has a rather odd number plate bracket that protrudes from the plastic housing above the front fender. I say odd, because when mounted, the number plate sits almost horizontally and can only be read if you are looking down on it from above. As it turns out, this is a bonus, as I can fabricate a bracket and then use it to attach a front basket from an earlier model Cub. Quite handy for running errands to the shops! I just purchased the OEM rear rack and I am grateful for your video on how to fit it. Thankfully mine does not have the clearance problems that you experienced and it fits perfectly. However, this rack, which is manufactured in Thailand, does have an issue that reflects on the build quality. When you sight along the rack from the back to the front it is clear that the raised grab bar that sits just behind the seat is not parallel with the top surface of the rack. Build quality again!. I will stick with it for now, but will purchase a KIJIMA Rear Carrier in the future from Webike Japan. The Kijima rack looks much more solid and better quality. I believe this bike will be sort after in the future. For example, only 72 were released in Australia, and they were snapped up in no time at all. Here in Indonesia, they are only importing limited numbers as well. I was told that I would have to wait up to one year for my bike. Fortunately, however, the people in the queue ahead of me, for whatever reason, bailed out and I went to the front of the queue and got my bike in less than two months. I suspect those ahead of me were not in a position to stump up with the cash at short notice! My other bike is a 2016 Kawasaki Estrella. Look it up on Google, a retro bike only produced for the Japanese market, but limited numbers imported into Indonesia. By the way, Webike Japan provides excellent service.Best Regards, Tony Bird.
Greetings from the USA! Congratulations on the queue jump to get your Cub! We have varying interest in the Super Cub here in the USA, and it seems to depend on the area of the country. Some dealers have Cub's sitting on the showroom floor that aren't moving, while other dealers have queues of buyers waiting to receive theirs. I'm glad to hear that your rear rack fit without any problems... it seems that the quality control on that part is very lax. I am waiting for the Kijima rack to become available again on Webike (currently out of stock), and I'll order one to replace my OEM rack. That rack has more real-estate for mounting boxes and panniers, so it will be a better solution. Does your Cub's side stand have the ignition interlock switch that kills the motor when the bike is in gear? I am still searching for a source for that switch and I'm hoping that the USA models have a connector for it on the bike's wiring harness. Cheers, and thx for the feedback! 👍😉 --QM
Congrats on your Cub and a good-fitting rack! I've heard mixed reports on the OEM rack, but it seems that my unit was one of the defective first batch to be produced. I have since replaced my rack with the Kijima unit, and it works much better for my needs: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
I think that the Honda OEM rack is a hit or miss item... several owners have reported similar problems as the one that I received, while other owners have mentioned that their rack installed without any problems. I wasn't sure about the Givi rack, as it seems to be more of a frame to mount a top box, and it doesn't appear to have much of a platform to it. Let us know how yours turns out! I may replace this Honda rack with something else eventually... I'm just not keen on removing this one now after the chewed paint issue. --QM
Thought I'd give my experience of this in case someone else has a similar problem: not too tight in your case, but the holes on the rack didn't quite line up with the holes on the bike. In the end I found putting the rack on before putting the shock absorbers back on gave us a little more wiggle room and allowed us to get the rack on smoothly.
It seems like it's about a 50/50 chance of receiving a rack that was constructed/welded properly. If I had it to do over again, I'd opt for one of the more expensive aftermarket units from the Asian markets. This one will probably be my replacement: japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html . It's a bit spendy at $155 (+ overseas shipping), but the reviews are very good and it's larger/longer than the OEM rack. There is a lot of free (wasted) space between the end of the OEM rack and the tail light assembly, so this Kijima rack will probably work better for most purposes. --QM
Thanks for posting this. I ordered a rack with mine (didn't ask for it to be fitted) but they did anyway. After seeing this I checked mine out and all looks good with no paint scratches but I'm not taking it off to check underneath! They are a very old school dealership (Tippetts in Surbiton near London U.K) & their workshops are very good. I'll mention your vid to them anyway and report back. They did comment they've sold very few mainly because its a single-seater and most who buy strap them to the back of a camper van to use when parked up at a site. A scooter is a far cheaper option and of course has 2 seats. You cannot legally retro-fit a seat as the swinging arm would make the rear foot pegs move up and down which is illegal in the EU apparently. Great video and I did feel the pain as like you, I am a perfectionist & I would have got real mad damaging my new toy. Final comment I cringed when I saw your boy riding home with no helmet then saw the open toe slip-ons. Geeeees!! I used to have a motorcycle & scooter store in London and I could tell you some horror stories with kids on scoots with lack of protection.
Yeah, I've warned my son about that... it's just an accident (and chewed up feet) waiting to happen. I asked him to run down to the mailbox at the end of the street, so that was a very short ride. I'm trying to keep him on the straight (smart) path in his early riding years so he develops good habits in the long term. That little hiccup is definitely not approved behavior! The OEM rack fitment issue might be a fluke... just a bad part or maybe a bad production run. In any case, there are likely more of those poorly aligned/welded units circulating out in the wild... I thought it would be a good idea to put a cautionary video out there ASAP to prevent someone else from chewing up their fender like I did. ;-) --QM
@@QuasiMotard Tell him this old fart you talk to on YT had his worse accident a few hundred yards from his home when he was just 16. Some 47 years later I still remember the day.
@@QuasiMotard Just checked with the dealer - they said it was a pain getting it fitted - the rear ears are too close as the tolerances must be out on the jig making the rack or I guess the fender width.
3m do a clear tape we use to use on computers when they were a tight fit in racks and luckily I had some before leaving 15 years ago and use it to protect the paint around mounting points, it is the same as the clear tape now used on cars wheel arches to protect the paint from stones being thrown up it has some give so lasts very well. On the new 2022 Cub in UK it comes with passenger seat and pegs and looks like if you remove the seat pad you have the rack underneath which supports the passenger pad.
Yep, that's the GoCruise throttle lock (cruise control). I have those on most of my bikes because they're cheap and they tend to work better than than other grip or throttle-tube locks (e.g. Kaoko). You can watch my Ryker Cruise Control Hack video here for a quick look at how they install: czcams.com/video/KPAomxzdCiE/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
My Honda rear carrier/rack came in the mail yesterday. I bought it from Amazon for $119 USD. I installed it today with zero issues. Everything fit perfectly. I THINK I believe not all Honda rear carrier/racks (Honda P/N: 08L70-K0G-920) are created equal. Maybe a few earlier ones had quality control issues that is solved now, *OR* 2 or 3 racks out of a batch 10 or 20 racks just come out wrong. TIP Who knows what the problem is but if you get a bad rear carrier/rack send it back, order a new one, and most likely the second one will work just fine. *EDIT:* Happy upcoming Thanksgiving Day everyone!!
Agreed. I have heard mixed reports on these racks, and most of the negative reports were from early owners. Maybe there was a bad production batch and I was just one of the "lucky" ones. I have since replaced my rack with the Kijima rack (ordered from Webike in Japan, $148.00, japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ), and it is a MUCH better solution. The Kijima rack is longer, wider, and the clearances are correct. Now I am able to fit a proper tailbag or panniers over the rack without resorting to an extension plate. If anyone is considering a rear rack and you haven't purchased the OEM unit already, then you should look at the Kijima rack instead. 👍
I couldn't agree more. I went to a local dealer to test ride one and they said, well we don't offer test rides and my response was I don't buy anything without testing it first. Lets be real...every brand offers test rides this is a over priced 3.5K design that should be no more than 2K tops. A Piaggio 150S Liberty scooter IMHO is a better value and is cheaper.
I agree... the rack should be included with the bike. Without the rack accessory, there is NO usable storage on the bike, which makes it impractical for any task unless you plan to wear a backpack or messenger bag. The original Cub's were (and still are) workhorses for carrying cargo of all types. --QM
@@QuasiMotard To be fair, most accessories for motorcycles are not made by the same manufacturer. They more than likely outsourced for these parts. Much like automakers do, today.
That's why I ordered the Noi Wat Dan rack from Thailand. Even with this, I had to grind the rear mounting tab in a slanted manner to conform to the flare of the fender.
The Plasti-Dip might work, but powder coating would be more durable. The rack will be a high abrasion/scuff item with things going on and off of it all the time. I will probably replace this OEM unit with something larger eventually... it's just a little too small for my purposes (strapping down a drybag or mounting panniers). --QM
Cheers! Thx for the feedback! Calgary is a nice place... I haven't been up there in 25+ years, but I do have fond memories of the area. Good luck with your upcoming Cub purchase. If you liked the old Cub, then you'll certainly enjoy the new one. The suspension is better, and the fuel injection sure beats the old carburetors... no more cold start issues or cleaning out clogged idle jets! --QM
My 125 cub had the rack on it when I saw it in the showroom. Easiest install ever. It was listed on the bill as a $79.00 option. I'm still looking for panniers for it. Where did yo get the pannier frames?
I haven't found a "perfect" pannier solution yet because of the Cub's size... most panniers are too large to fit. I purchased those frames (Kijima Bag Support, $58.11 + shipping) from Webike in Japan: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html . My only reservation about them is that they are very short from top to bottom, and they won't accommodate taller/longer panniers. I'm still searching for an easy kit to use on the Cub, but I might end up fabricating a mount and side supports to suit my needs. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I haven't ventured that far into dismantling my Super Cub quite yet. I will be doing some modifications to the electrical connections near the tail light & signals in the next couple of weeks, but it shouldn't require the complete removal of the fender. If you don't have a shop manual and you're interested in the procedure, then send me an email at quasimotard@gmail.com... I'll scan the relevant pages in the manual and send them to you. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Glad to help! Using plastic sheet (or a sandwich bag) is an old trick that I learned years ago. It serves as a soft, sacrificial buffer between the tool and the finished part... and then you just discard it when the job is complete! This trick works well on any finished part, whether chromed, painted, or anodized. --QM
Mine fit fine, not enough room to slip even thin washers in there, but the rack itself fit the fender without scratching. I lined the inner surface of the rear rack mounts with gorilla tape. Also a section of a manual someone posted shows 21 lb-ft torque for the shock nuts.
That's great... I'm glad your rack worked out! I received my shop manual a few days after this video was posted, and found the 21 lb-ft specification. I was surprised at how inconsistent the original torques on those cap nuts were... some were barely tight at all. I did go back to reduce the cap nuts to 21 pounds and put a dab of threadlock on them just for good measure. --QM
No, I don't think that I'll bother with the passenger pegs on my Cub. If I decide to try that out in the future, then I will order the entire swingarm from one of the foreign markets that doesn't have the block-off's. The swingarm is cheap (only around $100), so I'd rather not butcher the finish of the original piece. 👍 --QM
Wow.. I was just sitting in my recliner and my blood pressure was going up! Best part was at 23:18 :) Well.. I'm installing mine on Friday.. thanks for this vid, definitely will help.. although if mines off like your's I'll have to send it back. Mine's a cheapy from Ebay so who knows.
@@QuasiMotard Hey.. my rack went on just fine.. no bending, yours may have been anomaly, luckily since I didn't have the tools. I put a video of mine next to my '82 Passport on my channel. I was a little 'meh' with it right at first but after riding it all weekend then hopping back on the '82 for a ride it was a pretty substantial diff.
@@tri0xin Great news then! I'm glad you didn't have the same problems with the rack. I am really enjoying my Cub so far... it's definitely more engaging to ride than a scooter (e.g. PCX150), even if the acceleration isn't quite as brisk. Everywhere I go and every time I stop somewhere, people want to come over and talk about the Cub... where did I get it, is it a new one or restored original, they used to have one just like it in a different color, etc, etc... it's definitely a conversation piece. The 125cc motor and fuel injection should be a huge improvement over your old Passport, for sure. I hope that Honda will consider bringing back the "Trail 110" under the new platform... a "Trail 125" based on the same C125 platform, but with spoke wheels, slightly more suspension, and the auxiliary fuel tank... what a hoot that would be! --QM
Ouch, I'm so sorry to see that, man. I have one of these 2019 models myself and even though mine is scuffed up already (some genius cut nearly hit me taking a ridiculously wide turn out from a parking lot as I was approaching an intersection and I locked the back wheel trying to avoid him), I was cringing watching that rack cut into the fender paint job. I was dreading putting this thing on. Took it downstairs to see how much this was going to suck and... it slips on without any fuss whatsoever. That's very frustrating to see that the quality varies so much. I've been very happy with the designs for this model so far, but it seems like luggage capability was definitely an afterthought.
Sorry to hear about your Cub's tattoos... I've been down that path with mine already, too (czcams.com/video/3h0DozndoJU/video.html). It seems that the OEM rack is hit or miss on the quality control... many people have reported that their racks fit without any problems. The Honda rack is a bit too small to be useful for my purposes, so I have since replaced mine with the Kijima rear carrier (japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html) and the Kijima bag support set (japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html) from Webike in Japan. The fit and finish of the Kijima pieces are much better than the OEM Honda parts. Congrats on your Cub, though... they really are great bikes! Cheers! 👍 --QM
If I'm honest I just made a gap and pushed the rack onto the gap then re-tightened with hand pressure on a socket wrench since that's all it took to untighten them. The harder part was getting the bolts in, the left side it was off a bit.
Yeah, it seems like everyone is reporting trouble with the OEM rack and the left-rear mounting tab. Mine was so far out, it would have never fit the bike without being bent out ~0.25-0.50". When I tightened it down, the extra slack that I created was taken up again... that's how it should have been welded to begin with... about 0.125" gap to allow for easy fitment. As for torquing the bolts, I always do that as a matter of habit (and my OCD tendencies). I have lost shock bolts/nuts on dirt bikes before because of improper tightening, but that was just inconvenient when the rear suspension suddenly dropped and slid the tire to a stop against the fender. However, on a street bike, that could be disastrous in traffic. --QM
Does anybody know what do you do if you don’t ride the bike the battery goes dead what do you do to access the seat button I am thinking of installing a battery tender leave it and put it in the tool compartment but you can’t access it when the battery is dead I don’t ride it often I got it because Because I wanted one since I ride super Tenere’ in New York you’ll get killed riding this slow under powered vehicle in most places where I’m from
I have added a battery tender lead (waterproof SAE plug) to my bike so I can bypass that issue. I left the end of it hanging behind the airbox cover (rubber cover in front of the leg shield) so I can access it easily if needed. The only other way to fix the dead battery and unlock issue is to open the battery cover with a screwdriver and energize the system from the battery terminals. 👍 --QM
Hopefully my rack was an isolated problem and other owners don't have such a poorly-welded unit. If I would have skipped the OEM Honda rack completely. There are aftermarket alternatives available from the Asian markets at roughly double the price, but they are larger and hopefully fit much better. --QM
Unfortunately, most of the good aftermarket accessories originate from the Asian markets where the Cubs have been popular for decades. The only US-based reseller that I've used is Steady Garage ( www.steadygarage.com/ ). My usual Cub accessory source is Webike Japan ( japan.webike.net/ )... shipping is expensive, but they are very quick and consistent. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
It is probably just personal choice, but why go for a plated rack? Surely so practical a piece of equipment would serve just as well made of stainless? And why go for so small a rack? Thanks for the vid.
There aren't many options available for the Super Cub here in the USA. This is the only OEM rack for the Cub, but I may order an aftermarket unit from one of the Asian markets. --QM
Must have been a bad batch. I installed my rack yesterday with no problems at all. But, your video was very helpful because I had no instruction sheet with mine.
I'm glad to help, and it's also good to know that others aren't experiencing the hungry rack syndrome that I had. Chewed paint on a brand new ~$400 rear fender is no bueno. --QM
I just bought one and it fits perfectly but I use the original washer on the inside to keep the rack away for the paint because they are thing and got two washers for the outter ..
I've heard from several owners that their OEM racks fit perfectly. I must have received a bad unit from an initial production batch. I have since upgraded to the Kijima rack, and it works much better for my needs czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
I would have returned the rack to Honda, but I needed it for a road trip the following day. That rack was a special order item that I had already waited over 1 week to receive. Heating it in the oven or with a torch wouldn't have clearanced the bent tab enough (over 1/4"). I have since replaced the Honda rack with the Kijima Rear Carrier ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ), which is a much better unit. You can watch that video here if you're interested: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Scratch!ouch! I know your feeling, if that happen to me, I couldnt sleep at night, and will be thinking to buy a new one, I am a scratch freak I guess hahah
Hi just to be sure there is a hidden button in the seat where the gas is located. Have you check the side pocket of your bike yet? Was unsure if you did when I watch your video. In the side pocket there should be a manual and a tool kit. Great video by the way. :D
Yes, the seat latch button is on the lower-left-rear of the seat. Under the seat on the right-hand side, there is a lever that releases the right side cover/door, which is where the Owner's Manual and tool kit reside. It's not much of a tool kit... the contents are: a combination phillips/common (flat-head) screwdriver, a plastic fuse puller, and a 5mm Allen/hex key. I have already removed that poor excuse for a tool kit and replaced it with my own small (but much more useful) kit: - flat tire kit (DynaPlug Ultralite Carbon, CO2 inflator) - Allen keys/wrenches: 4mm, 5mm - small combination wrenches: 10/12mm, 14mm, 19mm - zip ties - electrical tape - small Leatherman multi-tool (knife, pliers, screwdriver, etc) - single-use pouches of thread locker and bulb (dielectric) grease The storage pocket is VERY small, but there is a little more space to bulge outward toward the door itself... I can just barely make everything fit! -- QM
I bought this exact same rack from my local honda dealer and it fit perfectly. No problems at all. Looks like you got unlucky with the build quality of yours.
Yeah, I've had some of that luck lately. I just purchased a Givi windscreen and mounting kit from Italy, and it was missing a critical piece and the mount sucks: czcams.com/video/FmxVoeWwvyQ/video.html . I guess that's what happens when you live on the bleeding edge with new products. 😉 --QM
hi quasi i thankyou for your post i think you were very unlucky with your rack i have just fitted the same honda oem rack excellent chrome there was plenty of clearance very easy assembly done in 20 minutes
That's great news! I'm glad that your rack fit without any problems. I think there was probably a bad day on the production line when some of these were made, and they probably caught the error after some units were already shipped. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I love my Cub! It's a superb machine and it's extremely reliable. I just completed a 9600-mile trip around the USA on my Cub, and it was a fantastic experience... no mechanical problems at all. I recommend changing the heel-toe shifter angle and adding some storage to the bike ASAP to make it more usable for daily tasks... you can find those videos on my channel if you're interested. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
We do have helmet laws for minors (under 18 years old), but it's not mandatory for adults. I always ride with full gear anytime that I'm out on major roads. Very rarely, I will ride "naked" if I'm just scooting around the neighborhoods or going to the supermarket around the corner... although I try not to make a habit of that. I've been riding on the street for 35+ years and nearly 2M miles without ever going down, so hopefully I can continue that trend with all of my skin intact! 😉👍 --QM
Good Job made. Even, because of this problems. The Cub would look more beautiful, with this rack mounted at standard. It would not be a big deal in the cub factory. Even not at this price of the Cub. But in the factory, the rack must have correct size, to be mounted fast and easy. They have no time, to hammer it, that it fits.
Yes, I have seen that rear seat kit on eBay and other online resellers. It looks like an interesting option if you can also get the rear foot peg kit to install at the same time. The North American Super Cub doesn't have rear passenger foot pegs, and the mounting holes are filled in, so we would need to drill the rear swingarm to install the pegs. I considered purchasing the entire swingarm from overseas (only about $150), so I wouldn't need to drill anything. However, I don't have any plans to ride 2-up on the Cub. I decided to replace the OEM rear rack with the Kijima rear carrier ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ). It is slightly longer and wider, and the fitment is much better. The larger size allows me to mount a tail bag or luggage much easier than with the OEM rack. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Have you seen the SUPERCUB scrambler CT125? I might get that one if it hits the North American market, seems like a great all around bike...what do you think?
@@periloustimez Yes, and I'm ready to buy one (or two) in cash as soon as they are announced! I had a Trail 90 and a Trail 110 back in the 80's as a young teen, and I had lots of fun with those bikes. They are nearly indestructible and very simple to operate. My plan is to get the CT125 and take it on the TAT (Trans-America Trail, www.transamtrail.com/ ). If that plan works out, then I'll be spending about a month traveling and motocamping on the CT125... that should be an epic journey! Cheers! 👍 --QM
I may try the Givi rack in the future. The only drawbacks about that one are the black metal appearance, and it is designed more for a top box than a general-purpose rack (don't think it has a platform, just open rails for box mount). There are a few more options in the Asian markets now that I might try... Kijima and Bikers are both nice but very pricey. --QM
I spent all afternoon peeling off those stupid warning stickers everywhere! Shaved the side reflectors too! I can’t believe how different the American version looks compared to the foreign model! Kind of a letdown! But this fun bike is a kick to drive me if you can get your hands on one! I don’t think I’ll be purchasing this chrome rack as you knowI am sourcing a color matched!
Let me know how the rack purchase goes for you. I wouldn't mind finding the matching blue rack and replacing this one. I'll just have to figure out how to get it off without taking more paint with it. Grrr... ;-/ --QM
You can find a standard torque value chart on the net for different types, sizes and materials of hardware. For the item you are installing I would just put some thread locker on and snug it up by hand....nothing to tight.
I finally received the shop manual for the Super Cub yesterday. I was close on my torque estimates for the shock bolts: 21 lb-ft top and bottom. When I removed those bolts/nuts in this video, they were DEFINITELY looser than that value... probably in the 8-15 lb-ft range, so it's good that I checked and re-mounted them. I've lost rear shock bolts on dirt/motocross bikes in the past, so I try not to guess on those items. A failure in the dirt is just annoying when the suspension drops the bike onto the rear tire and skids it to a stop. However, a failure on the street could be fatal in traffic. --QM
Yes, I took a moto camping trip on it, driving surface streets and back highways. It was still under break-in, so I was taking it easy on the motor, but I ran 45-50 mph most of the way without any problems. It's out of break-in now, so I am more comfortable in pushing it harder, and it has no problems maintaining 50-55 mph. It's comfortable speed seems to be more in the 45-50 mph range, but I plan to do a +1 tooth front sprocket to calm down the motor a little bit. I'm sure the Cub doesn't mind the high rev's, but I have that mechanical sympathy for the motor winding out at high RPM for long periods of time. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks. Getting closer to getting one. Agree with the tooth bit. I live in 125 land due to terrible drivers, plus a real hope is that I can store it indoors.Does the battery die after 5 days inaction? I could always get a charger.
@@sandydennylives1392 I don't think you'll have problems with the battery sitting idle for several days (or weeks). The smart key and alarm are apparently very thrifty on power. Page 65 of the Honda Owner's manual states that "If you... do not ride frequently , we recommend that you charge the battery every 30 days...", so a week shouldn't be any problem. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks Quasi, that's a great help, I would do a serious bimble at least once a week. It's looking better and better. I guess you could remove the chain guard to use a degreaser , not that I ever bothered with my previous 125.
I would use an adjustable wrench with some tape on it not to scratch the surface. Then easily apply a little pressure to each side of the rack to slightly bend the tabs out.
I tried using a big crescent wrench, rubber mallet, and eventually I put it into a bench vise and bent it outward. The rear left tab was welded crooked from the base, so it was just too tight. I should have just returned the rack instead of fighting with it, but I needed it for a road trip the following day. I eventually replaced it with a Kijima rack just a few months later. The Kijima is a much better solution. 😉👍 --QM
Yes, just be sure that they haven't scratched the rear fender when you take delivery. Several Cub owners have commented to me that they didn't have any issues with their rack, so it's hit-or-miss with the build quality. Good luck, and congrats on your new Super Cub! 👍👍 --QM
Thx for the feedback (and sympathy?)! If I could find a direct link to someone at Honda NA that might care, then I probably will. I'm just the little guy, so chances of being heard are slim-to-none... but it never hurts to try! I had (accidental) good luck when Can-Am/BRP reached out to me regarding my videos about the Ryker issues I had right after purchasing it. Let's see if Honda is just as responsive/receptive to customer feedback! ;-) --QM
@@QuasiMotard Don't hold your breath. I know this is double the price (it isn't if you go direct to the manufacturers site (it's half price) but I couldn't see how to order it. They don't reply to their emails either. See: www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-C125-Supercub-125-2018-2019-Rack-Carrier-Luggage-Alloy-ALUMINIUM-BIKERS/163491598606?hash=item2610dbd10e:g:0FQAAOSwXTVcQDp9
@@K22MDL Oh yeah, I looked at those and had to do a double-take on the price... OUCH! I have some "BIKERS" stuff for my PCX that I ordered from Thialand a while back. It's good stuff, but they are really proud of it considering the prices. If I can't figure out how to use the OEM rack for my intended purposes, then I'll probably go this route instead. --QM
Agreed. I was eager to install the rack because I was taking the Cub on another road trip and I needed storage capacity. I didn't want to return the rack and wait another 7-10 days. Live and learn. 👍 --QM
Стойка Honda была построена не очень хорошо, а монтажные выступы были кривыми. В конце концов я заменил эту стойку стойкой Kijima и боковыми опорами, которые работают намного лучше, чем стойка Honda. Ваше здоровье! 👍 --QM
Since it's made in Taiwan and not Japan the tolerances are going to be off. Very disappointing Honda and watch out the Chinese are catching up. Thanks for the video after watching your video I've decided to keep my rack in the Box. Just think if the kid at the dealership had installed that for you he would have used a rubber mallet and just pounded it on.
The new Cub is made in Thailand like many of Honda's other "world" bikes. Generally speaking, I have been pleasantly surprised on these Thai-built machines so far. I don't think that the build quality is on par with the Japanese-built models, but it's close. In the case of this rack, I was very disappointed... they must have sourced a different vendor for manufacturing that part, or someone went to work drunk that day... not sure which. My only other disappointment so far with the Super Cub is the cost of the replacement parts (e.g. body panels)... most of the Thai-built bikes have VERY INEXPENSIVE panels/parts, but the Cub doesn't seem to follow that trend. For example, the rear fender for the new Cub costs $371 USD! That's crazy! I replaced almost EVERY plastic panel (e.g. front cowls, side covers, front fender, and rear/tail cover) on a 2013 Honda CB500F for the same money. --QM
Sorry I stand corrected Thailand not Taiwan. Seems like Honda's trying to cash in on their Cash Cow in the USA. By the way you make some very good videos. If you get a chance check out my channel I just bought a monkey and the cub. Also I have a 65 Japanese import and the 65 that my dad won in 1965.
Several other owners have mentioned that their racks went on without a problem. Maybe this unit was just a fluke, or Honda caught the manufacturing problem after this one shipped out. So, how do you like your Cub so far? --QM
@@QuasiMotard - it's my wife's. It is a replacement for her CB300F. I have been setting it up for her. I have taken it out and it is a blast around town.
That's awesome that she rides! I have been trying to convince my wife to get into riding for over 18 years... she's still not interested. I really enjoy the Cub. After you accept the fact that you won't be going anywhere very fast, everything else just falls into place... performance and handling are spot-on and it does surprisingly well on city streets and back roads. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Yep - I fully agree. This is a huge winner for my wife because she always had problems at stop lights and stop signs with hills. She never mastered the feathering of the clutch. Now with the Cub's automatic transmission it becomes a no brainer. Get your wife to ride the Cub down the street to start with. Then prepare yourself to buy another one :-)
I'd gladly buy another Cub for her, if I could get her interested in riding! I already bought a 2015 Honda PCX150 for her as a birthday/Valentine's Day present a few years ago, but she never got the itch to ride it. Oh well, it's the thought that counts, right? 😉 --QM
Agreed! The lack of the bench seat or baked-in cargo-carrying capacity is not faithful to the original Cub. That thing has been a workhorse for decades... everything from an overloaded people mover to a 2-wheeled cargo truck... the Cub has done it all. --QM
Couldn't agree more @@QuasiMotard . I put a deposit on this 8 months ago when I heard it was coming, and just got it today. I was saddened when it didn't come with the rear rack that was in the Honda online photos...and no long seat-PLUS, they welded over the passenger peg holes! It's gonna take a bit of work to make this into a 2 person vehicle like the old one I had.
@@jonrosenberg6549 I will be keeping an eye on the Asian markets' spare parts and upgrades. I think the easiest option to convert our Cubs to 2-seaters will be to get the Asian swingarm and footpeg assemblies rather than try to drill/tap ours. The US-spec swingarm is relatively cheap (~$95.00), so that's more cost-effective than working with a machine shop to drill/tap (or heli-coil) our swingarm... that's assuming that you can't do the job yourself. The seat and rack assemblies will also be different, so we'll need to figure out those bits as well. --QM
When you have a situation where the rack is supposed to fit your bike, but it won't, even after several attempts, that's a situation where it's OK to cuss.
Hey Bud, I think you've got a bad rack in the mail. I've placed the order for my rack at Honda Powersports, and mine rack fits perfect, I didn't have to modify it at all. I see you bending the sides of it, you should not have to do that. If I were you I would've returned that one, yours seems to have been defected.
Agreed! It seems that these racks are hit or miss on the quality control with the assembly jig and welding. A few other owners reported similar issues, but not as extreme as my case... others didn't have any problem at all. I should have put it back in the box and returned it to my dealer, but I had already scratched the fender of my Cub... so I was committed to finishing the job. I have since ordered a Kijima rack from Japan that should arrive in a few more weeks. The Kijima rack is larger (longer and wider), so it should be more useful than the Honda rack (it's too small to be practical). Cheers! 👍 --QM
Yep, skip the OEM rack... the fit and finish are terrible, and it's too small to be useful. I recommend the Kijima rack instead. It has plenty of real estate for a bag or top box or whatever else you might need to put back there. 😉👍 --QM
Agreed! I gave up on the Honda OEM rack and switched over to the full Kijima setup with the rear rack and side supports: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
Yep, I did that off camera. The forward edge of that tab was welded too close and crooked, so no amount of bending would provide enough clearance. Grinding the tab down might have helped, but that would have removed the very thin chrome plating on the rack. The bending that I did flaked out the chrome and caused it to rust immediately. It was just a bad rack... $85 lost and lessons learned. I replaced that OEM rack with a larger Kijima rack and matching side supports. The Kijima pieces fit much better and are more practical for my needs. --QM
Simple, just use what you have at hand. My 6-point sockets were at my warehouse on that particular day, so I didn't want to waste an hour in traffic to retrieve them. The plastic buffer trick is used my mechanics everywhere to protect anodized and delicate finishes. --QM
I'm not sure that I follow... where would I apply the force to the brake lever? The lever is a movable and somewhat flexible piece, so there doesn't appear to be a way to impart enough torque to it without stressing the rear brake (cam arm, brake shoes, and rear wheel hub) at the same time. The accident/impact bent the lever up against a fixed stop, but the reverse action places stress on the rear brake assembly. The only way to "correctly" repair this lever is to remove it from the bike. I am replacing the entire brake arm anyway, so I didn't see any point in wasting time and effort... I was eager to get on the road to Austin! --QM
I hope it wasn't a fake/counterfeit part! I purchased it from a Honda dealer, and it was in OEM Honda packaging. I think there was just a quality-control problem with some of the early racks, and I was one of the "lucky" recipients. I have since upgraded to the Kijima rear rack, which fits much better and is more usable (slightly longer and wider than the Honda piece). --QM
Now we know why the rack is not fitted as standard, the Vietnamese factory told Honda that their rack design was crap that did not even fit and Honda decided to throw their problem on to you. Honda have stopped being serious about this retro bike project. In 2022 one can only get the C125 in a dull gey single colour. Honda seem to want to kill this lovely bike. The upside for you is that your blue C125 is going to become a seriously rare collector's item. Do not fit a new blue fender (probably not even available ready painted), get an engineering shop to fix and replate the rack, then get a good American paint shop to fix the fender for you and you will have the only proper chrome rack equipped blue C125 on the planet.
No way, man! I'll file that square hole round to fit! 🤣 The annoying part of this exercise was that I shouldn't have needed to do anything special for the rack to fit... it's an OEM Honda part, so it should be a direct bolt-on item! In retrospect, I should have returned it to the dealer and ordered another one. However, this was a special-order item that took over a week to arrive, and I needed it for a follow-up trip just a couple of days after this video. Once I started bending the bracket, then I owned it... couldn't return it in good conscience after I modified that the factory didn't weld correctly in the first place. I have since replaced this OEM rack with the Kijima rear carrier (japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html) which is a much better item. Unfortunately, that was also a special-order item that was on back-order for over 3 months! Cheers! 👍 --QM
Yeah, I feel ya... Having plenty of power to squirt through or away from traffic is always nice. I can adapt my riding habits to machines of just about any power level. I will admit that when haven't ridden my bigger/faster bikes in a while and then take them through traffic... it's definitely nice to have the road superiority on tap. --QM
The Honda Cub without a rack is like a motorcycle rider without an ability to turn the throttle. But, that’s a dorky looking rack. The rack on the trail model is a much better piece of gear. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
The Honda rack left a lot to be desired. I upgraded to the Kijima rack and side supports ( czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html ), and that solution works much better for me. --QM
@@QuasiMotard YES! Now you’re talking about a rack worth taking home! Good decision you made there! I’ve seen Japanese stack up cartons of eggs (100 eggs per carton) 3 feet high on the rack on the back of a pedal bike. And boxed meals 2’-3’ high on the racks of a Honda Cub. A bike and motorcycle are MUCH more usable with a good rack. If you’re going camping, panniers (the current name for saddle bags) up on the front fender for light, bulky items adds more utility. You’re going to like that rack. If I may suggest, carry about 5’-6’ of good, stout bungee (3/8”-7/16” thick) on the rack to secure loads. AND, add on 5’-6’ of parachute cord to further secure the already bungeed cargo. While bungee supplies a constant tension, it does a poor job of establishing an outer limit. On bouncy roads and terrain,your cargo can bounce up and down a bit under only bungee, and work its way loose. Parachute cord is the opposite of bungee. It does a poor job of maintaining a constant squeeze, but an excellent job of establishing an outer limit of motion of cargo on a rack. Just my suggestion. In a nutshell, I’ve lost things that were “tied down just right”, but have never lost anything that was tied down way too good. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
YOU BOUGHT THE ONLY HONDA THAT SUCKS NUTS! I BOUGHT THE 1ST H/ASTRA 100CC WHEN I WAS 15 AND MY FRIENDLY ADVICE IS: BUY A DOUBLE SIT AND THROW AWAY THE RACK/OR HOW YOU CALL IT. NICE JOB WITH THE ANTI-SCRACH BAG! I CAN SEE YOU ARE A PERFECTIONIST WHEN YOU TRY TO KEEP UNSCRATCH THE BLIND SPOTS(THE BASE OF THE RACK) THAT'S IMPOSIBLE AND POINTLES! YOU SHOULD BUY H.100CC IF YOU WANT SEMI-MANUAL ENGINE,OR THE SUZUKI FX 125 WITH MANUAL CLUTCH AND MORE STABLE ON ROAD B/CAUSE THE ENGINE IS 80 DEGREES UP INSTEAD PARALLEL TO THE GROUND! MOTORCYCLES ON MY PAST H/ASTRA 52mm 108cc,H.CR 250 2 STROKE, KTM LC4 640cc,KTM DUKE 640cc,KTM 525 4 STROKE FOR PISTA,NOW I HAVE H/CBR 1000RR FIREBLADE(THE LAST 4.5 YEARS!!!
Thanks for the feedback! We don't have a lot of the good small bikes in the USA that other parts of the world have. The Cub does not have the option for the double seat (bench seat) or passenger footpegs here because of government regulations. I do wish that we could get some of the really fun, sporty 125 CC bikes here in the USA. I have many other motorcycles and scooters to ride, so the Super Cub is just a fun toy for me right now. Cheers from the USA! --QM
Here is a clue. Toddlers are not dogs.. they do not respond reliably to verbal commands. Try that in a parking lot ( as I have seen all too often) instead of holding the kids hands.. and you will have to bury this one.
Wow, that's rude... where did that come from? My wife and I are both in the driveway with our kids. We have 3 of them, and we are well-versed in rearing our children. Perhaps you weren't raised as well? --QM
In my opinion, the rack should come equipped.
I don't mind paying a few extra dollars for the accessories, as long as they fit properly and aren't such a headache to install. I do think that Honda should include the rack with the bike, and there should be the option for the color-matched (blue) version that they use in all of their marketing literature (online and print). The chrome-only option is a bit misleading and disappointing, IMHO. --QM
Yes, Honda seems to offer lower competitive prices for their motorcycles in order to undercut the competition.
Their strategy (from what I have seen with my Africa Twin & Super Cub) is to sell bare bones motorcycles at lower prices than other makers.
Then Honda buyers if they want a center stand, side stand, real radiator guard, real bash plate, a windshield or a good windshield, heated grips, cruise control, etc. then the buyer must add those later at his/her expense.
YOU CHOICE IS:
This is one of those life lessons that you can not do anything about but accept i.e. buy a *lower costing* bare bones reliable Honda
*OR* buy a *very expensive,* not as reliable Harley or not as reliable BMW decked out with everything.
@Donaldo sad
@@sweetcostarica Yes, that is obviously their pricing strategy. The other side of that coin is that most of those accessories are just exactly that - accessories. Notice that they are not sold under the title of “necessities”.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
@@jackvoss175 OK... not sure what your point is but Ok.
Thanks again for another really helpful video. I checked my Honda rack by offering it up to the bike and same problem! Having learnt from your video I expanded it a little using a car jack before fitting and it worked a treat. Was able to fit it without damage, so big thank you!
Thx again for the feedback! I'm glad that this video helped. If anyone can benefit from my trials and tribulations, then it wasn't all done in vain. The OEM rack's quality seems to be hit or miss... some owners have commented saying that they didn't have any fitment issues at all. I have since replaced my OEM rack with the Kijima rear carrier from Webike in Japan ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ). The Kijima rack fits much better, and it's slightly wider and longer... it just works better for my purposes. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Took 6 weeks to get mine in Alaska. Back Ordered. Once I got it took 20 mins to install. Fit Perfect.
I've been having bad luck with my OEM accessories lately, but I'm glad that yours fot without any issues! How do you like your Cub so far? --QM
Thank you for the video. The tip about the plastic bag over the bolt was really helpful. I have just bought and fitted the Honda rear rack to my Cub today. It fitted perfectly first time, (thank goodness) so they have either improved or you were unlucky. Thanks again and safe travels.
I just fit mine with a rear seat on the OEM rack from Thailand. Took 30 seconds. It's not a perfect match to OEM seat but close. I also installed the rear foot pegs. I liked the cleaner looking set that use the mount points in the swing arm. The mount points are just a piece of steel rod welded on either side of the swing arm. I drilled blind holes with a cordless drill and hand taped. If you go this route order an M8 1.25 bottoming tap same time you order the pegs. Just tape it so the swarf does't scratch the swing arm. This install was real easy an I'm real happy with the pegs.
Also I think you just got a bad rack. Mine slips on and off.
Picked up my cub last Friday. They had the rack in stock so I worked it into the deal. Was nervous because of the trouble you had. Mine fit like a glove, no scratching. I did not get an instruction sheet, your video was helpful.
Sweet! Congrats on your new Cub! I'm glad that other owners out there haven't had the trouble with the rack that I did... that really annoyed me... Honda's quality control is usually better than that. --QM
thanks for your video, it helped me instal my rack. Mine had no problems in the back but was a little tight in the front. Fixed it with a few blows just like you did.
Went to the dealer today and picked up my bike! Man is this thing a kick to ride it takes me back to the 60s with all the modern conveniences! The heel toe shifter has a little getting used to but once you master it whatA fun scoot
Ain't it great?! I'm always surprised at how much fun the little bikes are. They might not have tire-shredding torque or blinding top speed, but they make up for it with the goofy grin factor. It's corny and cliché, but I always seem to catch myself smiling for no reason at all when I'm riding the Cub (or my other small scoots). The Cub is a real conversation starter, too... in every parking lot and at most stop lights, people want to ask about the bike, if it's an old/restored one or new one, where did I get it, how much did cost, where can they get one, etc, etc. Sure, there are also plenty of D-bag Houston drivers that would rather run me over than strike up a conversation, but people are generally interested in the bike and they go out of their way to be friendly and chat me up. I gave up on wanting to look cool and go fast years ago... I'd rather ride happy, go slow, and take in the scenery. ;-) --QM
QuasiMotard I customize everything✌️
@@samsacre I went to the dealer yesterday and took at look at the Monkey. I like it, but the Cub seems so much better to me. The Monkey just looks like a reskinned Grom with fat tires. I didn't ride it, so I don't have any mechanical opinions about it... so I'm not bashing it... I just prefer the Cub's retro appeal. --QM
Amazing video, Thank you for your time!
Hello,I live in Jakarta, Indonesia, and recently purchased a 2019 C125 Supercub. Mine was made in Vietnam, and there are some slight differences in the fit out to yours. For example, mine already had the center stand and side stand fitted when delivered, it also has a rather odd number plate bracket that protrudes from the plastic housing above the front fender. I say odd, because when mounted, the number plate sits almost horizontally and can only be read if you are looking down on it from above. As it turns out, this is a bonus, as I can fabricate a bracket and then use it to attach a front basket from an earlier model Cub. Quite handy for running errands to the shops! I just purchased the OEM rear rack and I am grateful for your video on how to fit it. Thankfully mine does not have the clearance problems that you experienced and it fits perfectly. However, this rack, which is manufactured in Thailand, does have an issue that reflects on the build quality. When you sight along the rack from the back to the front it is clear that the raised grab bar that sits just behind the seat is not parallel with the top surface of the rack. Build quality again!. I will stick with it for now, but will purchase a KIJIMA Rear Carrier in the future from Webike Japan. The Kijima rack looks much more solid and better quality. I believe this bike will be sort after in the future. For example, only 72 were released in Australia, and they were snapped up in no time at all. Here in Indonesia, they are only importing limited numbers as well. I was told that I would have to wait up to one year for my bike. Fortunately, however, the people in the queue ahead of me, for whatever reason, bailed out and I went to the front of the queue and got my bike in less than two months. I suspect those ahead of me were not in a position to stump up with the cash at short notice! My other bike is a 2016 Kawasaki Estrella. Look it up on Google, a retro bike only produced for the Japanese market, but limited numbers imported into Indonesia. By the way, Webike Japan provides excellent service.Best Regards, Tony Bird.
Greetings from the USA! Congratulations on the queue jump to get your Cub! We have varying interest in the Super Cub here in the USA, and it seems to depend on the area of the country. Some dealers have Cub's sitting on the showroom floor that aren't moving, while other dealers have queues of buyers waiting to receive theirs.
I'm glad to hear that your rear rack fit without any problems... it seems that the quality control on that part is very lax. I am waiting for the Kijima rack to become available again on Webike (currently out of stock), and I'll order one to replace my OEM rack. That rack has more real-estate for mounting boxes and panniers, so it will be a better solution.
Does your Cub's side stand have the ignition interlock switch that kills the motor when the bike is in gear? I am still searching for a source for that switch and I'm hoping that the USA models have a connector for it on the bike's wiring harness. Cheers, and thx for the feedback! 👍😉 --QM
I just received my rack and it fits perfectly. Installed in 20 minutes. You must have gotten a bad rack. Mine worked beautifully.
Congrats on your Cub and a good-fitting rack! I've heard mixed reports on the OEM rack, but it seems that my unit was one of the defective first batch to be produced. I have since replaced my rack with the Kijima unit, and it works much better for my needs: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
Just installed my OEM Honda Rack, fit perfectly. Looks amazing. You definitely got a defective one.
Thanks for posting this. I ordered the Givi rack for mine. Hopefully it fits better.
I think that the Honda OEM rack is a hit or miss item... several owners have reported similar problems as the one that I received, while other owners have mentioned that their rack installed without any problems. I wasn't sure about the Givi rack, as it seems to be more of a frame to mount a top box, and it doesn't appear to have much of a platform to it. Let us know how yours turns out! I may replace this Honda rack with something else eventually... I'm just not keen on removing this one now after the chewed paint issue. --QM
I love my new blue super cup 125, 2022, greetings from Greece!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations on your new Super Cub, and greetings from the USA! 😉👍 --QM
Thought I'd give my experience of this in case someone else has a similar problem: not too tight in your case, but the holes on the rack didn't quite line up with the holes on the bike.
In the end I found putting the rack on before putting the shock absorbers back on gave us a little more wiggle room and allowed us to get the rack on smoothly.
It seems like it's about a 50/50 chance of receiving a rack that was constructed/welded properly. If I had it to do over again, I'd opt for one of the more expensive aftermarket units from the Asian markets. This one will probably be my replacement: japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html . It's a bit spendy at $155 (+ overseas shipping), but the reviews are very good and it's larger/longer than the OEM rack. There is a lot of free (wasted) space between the end of the OEM rack and the tail light assembly, so this Kijima rack will probably work better for most purposes. --QM
Thanks for posting this. I ordered a rack with mine (didn't ask for it to be fitted) but they did anyway. After seeing this I checked mine out and all looks good with no paint scratches but I'm not taking it off to check underneath! They are a very old school dealership (Tippetts in Surbiton near London U.K) & their workshops are very good. I'll mention your vid to them anyway and report back. They did comment they've sold very few mainly because its a single-seater and most who buy strap them to the back of a camper van to use when parked up at a site. A scooter is a far cheaper option and of course has 2 seats. You cannot legally retro-fit a seat as the swinging arm would make the rear foot pegs move up and down which is illegal in the EU apparently. Great video and I did feel the pain as like you, I am a perfectionist & I would have got real mad damaging my new toy. Final comment I cringed when I saw your boy riding home with no helmet then saw the open toe slip-ons. Geeeees!! I used to have a motorcycle & scooter store in London and I could tell you some horror stories with kids on scoots with lack of protection.
Yeah, I've warned my son about that... it's just an accident (and chewed up feet) waiting to happen. I asked him to run down to the mailbox at the end of the street, so that was a very short ride. I'm trying to keep him on the straight (smart) path in his early riding years so he develops good habits in the long term. That little hiccup is definitely not approved behavior!
The OEM rack fitment issue might be a fluke... just a bad part or maybe a bad production run. In any case, there are likely more of those poorly aligned/welded units circulating out in the wild... I thought it would be a good idea to put a cautionary video out there ASAP to prevent someone else from chewing up their fender like I did. ;-) --QM
@@QuasiMotard Tell him this old fart you talk to on YT had his worse accident a few hundred yards from his home when he was just 16. Some 47 years later I still remember the day.
@@QuasiMotard Just checked with the dealer - they said it was a pain getting it fitted - the rear ears are too close as the tolerances must be out on the jig making the rack or I guess the fender width.
@@K22MDL Will do! It's on the lecture list for this afternoon! ;-) --QM
Bonjour! Ou avez vous trouvez votre selle biplace pour le supercub?
any videos on rear foot passenger pegs?
3m do a clear tape we use to use on computers when they were a tight fit in racks and luckily I had some before leaving 15 years ago and use it to protect the paint around mounting points, it is the same as the clear tape now used on cars wheel arches to protect the paint from stones being thrown up it has some give so lasts very well. On the new 2022 Cub in UK it comes with passenger seat and pegs and looks like if you remove the seat pad you have the rack underneath which supports the passenger pad.
@QuasiMotard
What is the black lever on the right handle bar? Is it a cruise control? I couldn't find the video in which you installed it.
Yep, that's the GoCruise throttle lock (cruise control). I have those on most of my bikes because they're cheap and they tend to work better than than other grip or throttle-tube locks (e.g. Kaoko). You can watch my Ryker Cruise Control Hack video here for a quick look at how they install: czcams.com/video/KPAomxzdCiE/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
I wonder if it’s tight?
My Honda rear carrier/rack came in the mail yesterday. I bought it from Amazon for $119 USD.
I installed it today with zero issues. Everything fit perfectly.
I THINK
I believe not all Honda rear carrier/racks (Honda P/N: 08L70-K0G-920) are created equal.
Maybe a few earlier ones had quality control issues that is solved now,
*OR* 2 or 3 racks out of a batch 10 or 20 racks just come out wrong.
TIP
Who knows what the problem is but if you get a bad rear carrier/rack send it back, order a new one, and
most likely the second one will work just fine.
*EDIT:* Happy upcoming Thanksgiving Day everyone!!
Agreed. I have heard mixed reports on these racks, and most of the negative reports were from early owners. Maybe there was a bad production batch and I was just one of the "lucky" ones. I have since replaced my rack with the Kijima rack (ordered from Webike in Japan, $148.00, japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ), and it is a MUCH better solution. The Kijima rack is longer, wider, and the clearances are correct. Now I am able to fit a proper tailbag or panniers over the rack without resorting to an extension plate. If anyone is considering a rear rack and you haven't purchased the OEM unit already, then you should look at the Kijima rack instead. 👍
For the $$$$$ price a luggage rack should be standard
I couldn't agree more. I went to a local dealer to test ride one and they said, well we don't offer test rides and my response was I don't buy anything without testing it first. Lets be real...every brand offers test rides this is a over priced 3.5K design that should be no more than 2K tops. A Piaggio 150S Liberty scooter IMHO is a better value and is cheaper.
I agree... the rack should be included with the bike. Without the rack accessory, there is NO usable storage on the bike, which makes it impractical for any task unless you plan to wear a backpack or messenger bag. The original Cub's were (and still are) workhorses for carrying cargo of all types. --QM
@@QuasiMotard
To be fair, most accessories for motorcycles are not made by the same manufacturer. They more than likely outsourced for these parts. Much like automakers do, today.
@@Sig721Tau But in other countries the rear rack and seat are standard with pegs.
@@mikes1172
I live in Italy, the piaggio Liberty is a POS.
Honda is a much better machine.
That's why I ordered the Noi Wat Dan rack from Thailand. Even with this, I had to grind the rear mounting tab in a slanted manner to conform to the flare of the fender.
Very good job 👍🏼
I was thinking of plasty dipping the parts of the rack that such the paint? Or a rubber dip like paint?
The Plasti-Dip might work, but powder coating would be more durable. The rack will be a high abrasion/scuff item with things going on and off of it all the time. I will probably replace this OEM unit with something larger eventually... it's just a little too small for my purposes (strapping down a drybag or mounting panniers). --QM
Have the same bike 30 years ago. Going to get another when Honda sell them in Canada. Cheers from Calgary
Cheers! Thx for the feedback! Calgary is a nice place... I haven't been up there in 25+ years, but I do have fond memories of the area. Good luck with your upcoming Cub purchase. If you liked the old Cub, then you'll certainly enjoy the new one. The suspension is better, and the fuel injection sure beats the old carburetors... no more cold start issues or cleaning out clogged idle jets! --QM
Wow. Is a small world. Although is a small city. It is well known because of Banff National Park. Best wishes from calgary.
My 125 cub had the rack on it when I saw it in the showroom. Easiest install ever. It was listed on the bill as a $79.00 option. I'm still looking for panniers for it. Where did yo get the pannier frames?
I haven't found a "perfect" pannier solution yet because of the Cub's size... most panniers are too large to fit. I purchased those frames (Kijima Bag Support, $58.11 + shipping) from Webike in Japan: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html . My only reservation about them is that they are very short from top to bottom, and they won't accommodate taller/longer panniers. I'm still searching for an easy kit to use on the Cub, but I might end up fabricating a mount and side supports to suit my needs. Cheers! 👍 --QM
is there a video on here of removing the rear fender im trying to do a custom build to mine
I haven't ventured that far into dismantling my Super Cub quite yet. I will be doing some modifications to the electrical connections near the tail light & signals in the next couple of weeks, but it shouldn't require the complete removal of the fender. If you don't have a shop manual and you're interested in the procedure, then send me an email at quasimotard@gmail.com... I'll scan the relevant pages in the manual and send them to you. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thank you for blazing the trail for DYI folks. Nice trick with the plastic bag.
Glad to help! Using plastic sheet (or a sandwich bag) is an old trick that I learned years ago. It serves as a soft, sacrificial buffer between the tool and the finished part... and then you just discard it when the job is complete! This trick works well on any finished part, whether chromed, painted, or anodized. --QM
Mine fit fine, not enough room to slip even thin washers in there, but the rack itself fit the fender without scratching. I lined the inner surface of the rear rack mounts with gorilla tape. Also a section of a manual someone posted shows 21 lb-ft torque for the shock nuts.
That's great... I'm glad your rack worked out! I received my shop manual a few days after this video was posted, and found the 21 lb-ft specification. I was surprised at how inconsistent the original torques on those cap nuts were... some were barely tight at all. I did go back to reduce the cap nuts to 21 pounds and put a dab of threadlock on them just for good measure. --QM
@@QuasiMotard The nuts on mine also varied greatly on removal.
Will you try the pegs? not sure if I should drill through the cover on my c125.
No, I don't think that I'll bother with the passenger pegs on my Cub. If I decide to try that out in the future, then I will order the entire swingarm from one of the foreign markets that doesn't have the block-off's. The swingarm is cheap (only around $100), so I'd rather not butcher the finish of the original piece. 👍 --QM
Wow.. I was just sitting in my recliner and my blood pressure was going up! Best part was at 23:18 :) Well.. I'm installing mine on Friday.. thanks for this vid, definitely will help.. although if mines off like your's I'll have to send it back. Mine's a cheapy from Ebay so who knows.
Glad to help! If someone else can benefit from my buffoonery, then my job is done! ;-) --QM
@@QuasiMotard Hey.. my rack went on just fine.. no bending, yours may have been anomaly, luckily since I didn't have the tools. I put a video of mine next to my '82 Passport on my channel. I was a little 'meh' with it right at first but after riding it all weekend then hopping back on the '82 for a ride it was a pretty substantial diff.
@@tri0xin Great news then! I'm glad you didn't have the same problems with the rack. I am really enjoying my Cub so far... it's definitely more engaging to ride than a scooter (e.g. PCX150), even if the acceleration isn't quite as brisk. Everywhere I go and every time I stop somewhere, people want to come over and talk about the Cub... where did I get it, is it a new one or restored original, they used to have one just like it in a different color, etc, etc... it's definitely a conversation piece. The 125cc motor and fuel injection should be a huge improvement over your old Passport, for sure. I hope that Honda will consider bringing back the "Trail 110" under the new platform... a "Trail 125" based on the same C125 platform, but with spoke wheels, slightly more suspension, and the auxiliary fuel tank... what a hoot that would be! --QM
Ouch, I'm so sorry to see that, man. I have one of these 2019 models myself and even though mine is scuffed up already (some genius cut nearly hit me taking a ridiculously wide turn out from a parking lot as I was approaching an intersection and I locked the back wheel trying to avoid him), I was cringing watching that rack cut into the fender paint job. I was dreading putting this thing on. Took it downstairs to see how much this was going to suck and... it slips on without any fuss whatsoever. That's very frustrating to see that the quality varies so much. I've been very happy with the designs for this model so far, but it seems like luggage capability was definitely an afterthought.
Sorry to hear about your Cub's tattoos... I've been down that path with mine already, too (czcams.com/video/3h0DozndoJU/video.html). It seems that the OEM rack is hit or miss on the quality control... many people have reported that their racks fit without any problems. The Honda rack is a bit too small to be useful for my purposes, so I have since replaced mine with the Kijima rear carrier (japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html) and the Kijima bag support set (japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html) from Webike in Japan. The fit and finish of the Kijima pieces are much better than the OEM Honda parts. Congrats on your Cub, though... they really are great bikes! Cheers! 👍 --QM
If I'm honest I just made a gap and pushed the rack onto the gap then re-tightened with hand pressure on a socket wrench since that's all it took to untighten them. The harder part was getting the bolts in, the left side it was off a bit.
Yeah, it seems like everyone is reporting trouble with the OEM rack and the left-rear mounting tab. Mine was so far out, it would have never fit the bike without being bent out ~0.25-0.50". When I tightened it down, the extra slack that I created was taken up again... that's how it should have been welded to begin with... about 0.125" gap to allow for easy fitment. As for torquing the bolts, I always do that as a matter of habit (and my OCD tendencies). I have lost shock bolts/nuts on dirt bikes before because of improper tightening, but that was just inconvenient when the rear suspension suddenly dropped and slid the tire to a stop against the fender. However, on a street bike, that could be disastrous in traffic. --QM
Does anybody know what do you do if you don’t ride the bike the battery goes dead what do you do to access the seat button I am thinking of installing a battery tender leave it and put it in the tool compartment but you can’t access it when the battery is dead I don’t ride it often I got it because Because I wanted one since I ride super Tenere’ in New York you’ll get killed riding this slow under powered vehicle in most places where I’m from
I have added a battery tender lead (waterproof SAE plug) to my bike so I can bypass that issue. I left the end of it hanging behind the airbox cover (rubber cover in front of the leg shield) so I can access it easily if needed. The only other way to fix the dead battery and unlock issue is to open the battery cover with a screwdriver and energize the system from the battery terminals. 👍 --QM
I wonder if a little lithium grease (Castrol LM) would help with fitting this rack?
Hopefully my rack was an isolated problem and other owners don't have such a poorly-welded unit. If I would have skipped the OEM Honda rack completely. There are aftermarket alternatives available from the Asian markets at roughly double the price, but they are larger and hopefully fit much better. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Yes it was hopefully a one-off. Lovely bike all the same!!
Anyone know of a USA Website to get parts for the cub ? Everything cool seems to only be out of Thailand in ebay smh and shipping takes forever
Unfortunately, most of the good aftermarket accessories originate from the Asian markets where the Cubs have been popular for decades. The only US-based reseller that I've used is Steady Garage ( www.steadygarage.com/ ). My usual Cub accessory source is Webike Japan ( japan.webike.net/ )... shipping is expensive, but they are very quick and consistent. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you for the info appreciated it
It is probably just personal choice, but why go for a plated rack? Surely so practical a piece of equipment would serve just as well made of stainless? And why go for so small a rack?
Thanks for the vid.
There aren't many options available for the Super Cub here in the USA. This is the only OEM rack for the Cub, but I may order an aftermarket unit from one of the Asian markets. --QM
thank you for sharing Sir.... I have this bike too.
Must have been a bad batch. I installed my rack yesterday with no problems at all. But, your video was very helpful because I had no instruction sheet with mine.
I'm glad to help, and it's also good to know that others aren't experiencing the hungry rack syndrome that I had. Chewed paint on a brand new ~$400 rear fender is no bueno. --QM
Dumb question - what size is the nut on the rear shock?
The cap nuts are 14mm top and bottom, and the tightening torque is 21 lb-ft for both. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks for the quick reply. Your videos are awesome, keep doing your thing Quasi. 🤘🏻
I just bought one and it fits perfectly but I use the original washer on the inside to keep the rack away for the paint because they are thing and got two washers for the outter ..
I've heard from several owners that their OEM racks fit perfectly. I must have received a bad unit from an initial production batch. I have since upgraded to the Kijima rack, and it works much better for my needs czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
Why not put the rack in the oven and expand it? Or contact Honda when it didn't fit to replace it?
I would have returned the rack to Honda, but I needed it for a road trip the following day. That rack was a special order item that I had already waited over 1 week to receive. Heating it in the oven or with a torch wouldn't have clearanced the bent tab enough (over 1/4"). I have since replaced the Honda rack with the Kijima Rear Carrier ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ), which is a much better unit. You can watch that video here if you're interested: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Scratch!ouch! I know your feeling, if that happen to me, I couldnt sleep at night, and will be thinking to buy a new one, I am a scratch freak I guess hahah
Hi just to be sure there is a hidden button in the seat where the gas is located. Have you check the side pocket of your bike yet? Was unsure if you did when I watch your video. In the side pocket there should be a manual and a tool kit. Great video by the way. :D
Yes, the seat latch button is on the lower-left-rear of the seat. Under the seat on the right-hand side, there is a lever that releases the right side cover/door, which is where the Owner's Manual and tool kit reside. It's not much of a tool kit... the contents are: a combination phillips/common (flat-head) screwdriver, a plastic fuse puller, and a 5mm Allen/hex key. I have already removed that poor excuse for a tool kit and replaced it with my own small (but much more useful) kit:
- flat tire kit (DynaPlug Ultralite Carbon, CO2 inflator)
- Allen keys/wrenches: 4mm, 5mm
- small combination wrenches: 10/12mm, 14mm, 19mm
- zip ties
- electrical tape
- small Leatherman multi-tool (knife, pliers, screwdriver, etc)
- single-use pouches of thread locker and bulb (dielectric) grease
The storage pocket is VERY small, but there is a little more space to bulge outward toward the door itself... I can just barely make everything fit!
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QM
I bought this exact same rack from my local honda dealer and it fit perfectly. No problems at all. Looks like you got unlucky with the build quality of yours.
Yeah, I've had some of that luck lately. I just purchased a Givi windscreen and mounting kit from Italy, and it was missing a critical piece and the mount sucks: czcams.com/video/FmxVoeWwvyQ/video.html . I guess that's what happens when you live on the bleeding edge with new products. 😉 --QM
hi quasi i thankyou for your post i think you were very unlucky with your rack i have just fitted the same honda oem rack excellent chrome there was plenty of clearance very easy assembly done in 20 minutes
That's great news! I'm glad that your rack fit without any problems. I think there was probably a bad day on the production line when some of these were made, and they probably caught the error after some units were already shipped. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I feel for you man.
Are you still happy with your Super Cub?
Picking up my red and white one next week.
I love my Cub! It's a superb machine and it's extremely reliable. I just completed a 9600-mile trip around the USA on my Cub, and it was a fantastic experience... no mechanical problems at all. I recommend changing the heel-toe shifter angle and adding some storage to the bike ASAP to make it more usable for daily tasks... you can find those videos on my channel if you're interested. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Owners manual is in the white compartment on the side. You access it by pushing the black lever under the seat.
Are you not required to wear a crash helmet or any protective clothing?.
We do have helmet laws for minors (under 18 years old), but it's not mandatory for adults. I always ride with full gear anytime that I'm out on major roads. Very rarely, I will ride "naked" if I'm just scooting around the neighborhoods or going to the supermarket around the corner... although I try not to make a habit of that. I've been riding on the street for 35+ years and nearly 2M miles without ever going down, so hopefully I can continue that trend with all of my skin intact! 😉👍 --QM
Good Job made. Even, because of this problems.
The Cub would look more beautiful, with this rack mounted at standard.
It would not be a big deal in the cub factory. Even not at this price of the Cub.
But in the factory, the rack must have correct size, to be mounted fast and easy.
They have no time, to hammer it, that it fits.
Sir are you aware of the OEM passenger seat which is mounted on top of the rack?
Yes, I have seen that rear seat kit on eBay and other online resellers. It looks like an interesting option if you can also get the rear foot peg kit to install at the same time. The North American Super Cub doesn't have rear passenger foot pegs, and the mounting holes are filled in, so we would need to drill the rear swingarm to install the pegs. I considered purchasing the entire swingarm from overseas (only about $150), so I wouldn't need to drill anything. However, I don't have any plans to ride 2-up on the Cub.
I decided to replace the OEM rear rack with the Kijima rear carrier ( japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html ). It is slightly longer and wider, and the fitment is much better. The larger size allows me to mount a tail bag or luggage much easier than with the OEM rack. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Have you seen the SUPERCUB scrambler CT125? I might get that one if it hits the North American market, seems like a great all around bike...what do you think?
@@periloustimez Yes, and I'm ready to buy one (or two) in cash as soon as they are announced! I had a Trail 90 and a Trail 110 back in the 80's as a young teen, and I had lots of fun with those bikes. They are nearly indestructible and very simple to operate. My plan is to get the CT125 and take it on the TAT (Trans-America Trail, www.transamtrail.com/ ). If that plan works out, then I'll be spending about a month traveling and motocamping on the CT125... that should be an epic journey! Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Awsome brother!! 👍
so if it does not fit properly, what about Givi rear rack? you had issue other Givi elements quality...
I may try the Givi rack in the future. The only drawbacks about that one are the black metal appearance, and it is designed more for a top box than a general-purpose rack (don't think it has a platform, just open rails for box mount). There are a few more options in the Asian markets now that I might try... Kijima and Bikers are both nice but very pricey. --QM
@@QuasiMotard hmm a good rack with a wooden imitated box, that would a cool extra! :)
I spent all afternoon peeling off those stupid warning stickers everywhere! Shaved the side reflectors too! I can’t believe how different the American version looks compared to the foreign model! Kind of a letdown! But this fun bike is a kick to drive me if you can get your hands on one! I don’t think I’ll be purchasing this chrome rack as you knowI am sourcing a color matched!
Let me know how the rack purchase goes for you. I wouldn't mind finding the matching blue rack and replacing this one. I'll just have to figure out how to get it off without taking more paint with it. Grrr... ;-/ --QM
You can find a standard torque value chart on the net for different types, sizes and materials of hardware. For the item you are installing I would just put some thread locker on and snug it up by hand....nothing to tight.
I finally received the shop manual for the Super Cub yesterday. I was close on my torque estimates for the shock bolts: 21 lb-ft top and bottom. When I removed those bolts/nuts in this video, they were DEFINITELY looser than that value... probably in the 8-15 lb-ft range, so it's good that I checked and re-mounted them. I've lost rear shock bolts on dirt/motocross bikes in the past, so I try not to guess on those items. A failure in the dirt is just annoying when the suspension drops the bike onto the rear tire and skids it to a stop. However, a failure on the street could be fatal in traffic. --QM
Can it cruise at 45-50mph without vibration issues?
Yes, I took a moto camping trip on it, driving surface streets and back highways. It was still under break-in, so I was taking it easy on the motor, but I ran 45-50 mph most of the way without any problems. It's out of break-in now, so I am more comfortable in pushing it harder, and it has no problems maintaining 50-55 mph. It's comfortable speed seems to be more in the 45-50 mph range, but I plan to do a +1 tooth front sprocket to calm down the motor a little bit. I'm sure the Cub doesn't mind the high rev's, but I have that mechanical sympathy for the motor winding out at high RPM for long periods of time. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks. Getting closer to getting one. Agree with the tooth bit. I live in 125 land due to terrible drivers, plus a real hope is that I can store it indoors.Does the battery die after 5 days inaction? I could always get a charger.
@@sandydennylives1392 I don't think you'll have problems with the battery sitting idle for several days (or weeks). The smart key and alarm are apparently very thrifty on power. Page 65 of the Honda Owner's manual states that "If you... do not ride frequently , we recommend that you charge the battery every 30 days...", so a week shouldn't be any problem. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks Quasi, that's a great help, I would do a serious bimble at least once a week. It's looking better and better. I guess you could remove the chain guard to use a degreaser , not that I ever bothered with my previous 125.
I would use an adjustable wrench with some tape on it not to scratch the surface. Then easily apply a little pressure to each side of the rack to slightly bend the tabs out.
I tried using a big crescent wrench, rubber mallet, and eventually I put it into a bench vise and bent it outward. The rear left tab was welded crooked from the base, so it was just too tight.
I should have just returned the rack instead of fighting with it, but I needed it for a road trip the following day. I eventually replaced it with a Kijima rack just a few months later. The Kijima is a much better solution. 😉👍 --QM
Did damage to my 1965 cm91 trying to get a made in china rear carrier. And my bike had a 5k restoration :( They don't bolt up
ขอบคุณ 🙏 (thank you)
Is strong can someone sits on it
Yes, it is very strong and stable. The Asian markets have a passenger seat cushion that fits over the rack to allow a passenger to sit there. --QM
Oh eck ive just bought a Honda C 125 and the dealer is fitting this before i get it i will be inspecting it when i get it next Saturday 7/9/19
Yes, just be sure that they haven't scratched the rear fender when you take delivery. Several Cub owners have commented to me that they didn't have any issues with their rack, so it's hit-or-miss with the build quality. Good luck, and congrats on your new Super Cub! 👍👍 --QM
You should probably send a copy of this video to Honda so they can see what you the consumer went through.
Thx for the feedback (and sympathy?)! If I could find a direct link to someone at Honda NA that might care, then I probably will. I'm just the little guy, so chances of being heard are slim-to-none... but it never hurts to try! I had (accidental) good luck when Can-Am/BRP reached out to me regarding my videos about the Ryker issues I had right after purchasing it. Let's see if Honda is just as responsive/receptive to customer feedback! ;-) --QM
@@QuasiMotard Don't hold your breath. I know this is double the price (it isn't if you go direct to the manufacturers site (it's half price) but I couldn't see how to order it. They don't reply to their emails either. See: www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-C125-Supercub-125-2018-2019-Rack-Carrier-Luggage-Alloy-ALUMINIUM-BIKERS/163491598606?hash=item2610dbd10e:g:0FQAAOSwXTVcQDp9
@@K22MDL Oh yeah, I looked at those and had to do a double-take on the price... OUCH! I have some "BIKERS" stuff for my PCX that I ordered from Thialand a while back. It's good stuff, but they are really proud of it considering the prices. If I can't figure out how to use the OEM rack for my intended purposes, then I'll probably go this route instead. --QM
You should've sent the rack back.
Never tamper with new equipment..
Agreed. I was eager to install the rack because I was taking the Cub on another road trip and I needed storage capacity. I didn't want to return the rack and wait another 7-10 days. Live and learn. 👍 --QM
I agree. would have taken it back....for sure!
как все у вас сложно, удивлен, что еще помощника не позвал.
Стойка Honda была построена не очень хорошо, а монтажные выступы были кривыми. В конце концов я заменил эту стойку стойкой Kijima и боковыми опорами, которые работают намного лучше, чем стойка Honda. Ваше здоровье! 👍 --QM
Since it's made in Taiwan and not Japan the tolerances are going to be off. Very disappointing Honda and watch out the Chinese are catching up. Thanks for the video after watching your video I've decided to keep my rack in the Box. Just think if the kid at the dealership had installed that for you he would have used a rubber mallet and just pounded it on.
The new Cub is made in Thailand like many of Honda's other "world" bikes. Generally speaking, I have been pleasantly surprised on these Thai-built machines so far. I don't think that the build quality is on par with the Japanese-built models, but it's close. In the case of this rack, I was very disappointed... they must have sourced a different vendor for manufacturing that part, or someone went to work drunk that day... not sure which. My only other disappointment so far with the Super Cub is the cost of the replacement parts (e.g. body panels)... most of the Thai-built bikes have VERY INEXPENSIVE panels/parts, but the Cub doesn't seem to follow that trend. For example, the rear fender for the new Cub costs $371 USD! That's crazy! I replaced almost EVERY plastic panel (e.g. front cowls, side covers, front fender, and rear/tail cover) on a 2013 Honda CB500F for the same money. --QM
Sorry I stand corrected Thailand not Taiwan. Seems like Honda's trying to cash in on their Cash Cow in the USA. By the way you make some very good videos. If you get a chance check out my channel I just bought a monkey and the cub. Also I have a 65 Japanese import and the 65 that my dad won in 1965.
Ridiculous! Honda should have factory-installed the rack and a detachable second passenger cushion even before asking our money to begin with.
I just loosened up the top part of the shocks and slipped the rack in and tightened everything down. Took like 5 min
Several other owners have mentioned that their racks went on without a problem. Maybe this unit was just a fluke, or Honda caught the manufacturing problem after this one shipped out. So, how do you like your Cub so far? --QM
@@QuasiMotard - it's my wife's. It is a replacement for her CB300F. I have been setting it up for her. I have taken it out and it is a blast around town.
That's awesome that she rides! I have been trying to convince my wife to get into riding for over 18 years... she's still not interested. I really enjoy the Cub. After you accept the fact that you won't be going anywhere very fast, everything else just falls into place... performance and handling are spot-on and it does surprisingly well on city streets and back roads. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Yep - I fully agree. This is a huge winner for my wife because she always had problems at stop lights and stop signs with hills. She never mastered the feathering of the clutch. Now with the Cub's automatic transmission it becomes a no brainer. Get your wife to ride the Cub down the street to start with. Then prepare yourself to buy another one :-)
I'd gladly buy another Cub for her, if I could get her interested in riding! I already bought a 2015 Honda PCX150 for her as a birthday/Valentine's Day present a few years ago, but she never got the itch to ride it. Oh well, it's the thought that counts, right? 😉 --QM
Sure wish they put a bench seat on this bike. Then the rack wouldn’t be necessary. It’s my only reservation about this bike. Can’t carry stuff.
Agreed! The lack of the bench seat or baked-in cargo-carrying capacity is not faithful to the original Cub. That thing has been a workhorse for decades... everything from an overloaded people mover to a 2-wheeled cargo truck... the Cub has done it all. --QM
Couldn't agree more @@QuasiMotard . I put a deposit on this 8 months ago when I heard it was coming, and just got it today. I was saddened when it didn't come with the rear rack that was in the Honda online photos...and no long seat-PLUS, they welded over the passenger peg holes! It's gonna take a bit of work to make this into a 2 person vehicle like the old one I had.
@@jonrosenberg6549 I will be keeping an eye on the Asian markets' spare parts and upgrades. I think the easiest option to convert our Cubs to 2-seaters will be to get the Asian swingarm and footpeg assemblies rather than try to drill/tap ours. The US-spec swingarm is relatively cheap (~$95.00), so that's more cost-effective than working with a machine shop to drill/tap (or heli-coil) our swingarm... that's assuming that you can't do the job yourself. The seat and rack assemblies will also be different, so we'll need to figure out those bits as well. --QM
When you have a situation where the rack is supposed to fit your bike, but it won't, even after several attempts, that's a situation where it's OK to cuss.
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Hey Bud, I think you've got a bad rack in the mail. I've placed the order for my rack at Honda Powersports, and mine rack fits perfect, I didn't have to modify it at all. I see you bending the sides of it, you should not have to do that. If I were you I would've returned that one, yours seems to have been defected.
Agreed! It seems that these racks are hit or miss on the quality control with the assembly jig and welding. A few other owners reported similar issues, but not as extreme as my case... others didn't have any problem at all. I should have put it back in the box and returned it to my dealer, but I had already scratched the fender of my Cub... so I was committed to finishing the job. I have since ordered a Kijima rack from Japan that should arrive in a few more weeks. The Kijima rack is larger (longer and wider), so it should be more useful than the Honda rack (it's too small to be practical). Cheers! 👍 --QM
ok ok yes yes
I know Honda is building bikes in China, like so many other quality companies. Is this particular model made in China...vin # beginning with an "L"?
These are all built in Thailand, as far as I know. The VIN starts with "ML" and the title states that it was built in "Thai Honda Manufacturing". --QM
I was going to get this rack but will go a different route.
Yep, skip the OEM rack... the fit and finish are terrible, and it's too small to be useful. I recommend the Kijima rack instead. It has plenty of real estate for a bag or top box or whatever else you might need to put back there. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks I will check out the Kijima. Just hat it because the style of the OEM is fantastic
IMO is a little bit too short....
Agreed! I gave up on the Honda OEM rack and switched over to the full Kijima setup with the rear rack and side supports: czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
Bend the tabs out as needed, in bench vise guy.
Yep, I did that off camera. The forward edge of that tab was welded too close and crooked, so no amount of bending would provide enough clearance. Grinding the tab down might have helped, but that would have removed the very thin chrome plating on the rack. The bending that I did flaked out the chrome and caused it to rust immediately. It was just a bad rack... $85 lost and lessons learned.
I replaced that OEM rack with a larger Kijima rack and matching side supports. The Kijima pieces fit much better and are more practical for my needs. --QM
What’s with the pounds man 😩😒
A moto delta 110cc
You've had problems in the past with the 12point sockets chipping the chrome.?
So, why tf don't you buy the right 6point socket and be done with it?
Simple, just use what you have at hand. My 6-point sockets were at my warehouse on that particular day, so I didn't want to waste an hour in traffic to retrieve them. The plastic buffer trick is used my mechanics everywhere to protect anodized and delicate finishes. --QM
Harbor Freight, Cheep strip mall tool store by me. Thirty bucks maybe. Yes it's China, in it's glory .
Just use a adjustable spanner and put tape on lugs that works not the job you did
I'm not sure that I follow... where would I apply the force to the brake lever? The lever is a movable and somewhat flexible piece, so there doesn't appear to be a way to impart enough torque to it without stressing the rear brake (cam arm, brake shoes, and rear wheel hub) at the same time. The accident/impact bent the lever up against a fixed stop, but the reverse action places stress on the rear brake assembly. The only way to "correctly" repair this lever is to remove it from the bike. I am replacing the entire brake arm anyway, so I didn't see any point in wasting time and effort... I was eager to get on the road to Austin! --QM
Think u got the fake one...
I hope it wasn't a fake/counterfeit part! I purchased it from a Honda dealer, and it was in OEM Honda packaging. I think there was just a quality-control problem with some of the early racks, and I was one of the "lucky" recipients. I have since upgraded to the Kijima rear rack, which fits much better and is more usable (slightly longer and wider than the Honda piece). --QM
Now we know why the rack is not fitted as standard, the Vietnamese factory told Honda that their rack design was crap that did not even fit and Honda decided to throw their problem on to you. Honda have stopped being serious about this retro bike project. In 2022 one can only get the C125 in a dull gey single colour. Honda seem to want to kill this lovely bike. The upside for you is that your blue C125 is going to become a seriously rare collector's item. Do not fit a new blue fender (probably not even available ready painted), get an engineering shop to fix and replate the rack, then get a good American paint shop to fix the fender for you and you will have the only proper chrome rack equipped blue C125 on the planet.
Your the type of guy that will spend hours forcing a round peg into a square hole !!! Then wonder why your peg is damaged!! Rack finish looks cheap
No way, man! I'll file that square hole round to fit! 🤣 The annoying part of this exercise was that I shouldn't have needed to do anything special for the rack to fit... it's an OEM Honda part, so it should be a direct bolt-on item! In retrospect, I should have returned it to the dealer and ordered another one. However, this was a special-order item that took over a week to arrive, and I needed it for a follow-up trip just a couple of days after this video. Once I started bending the bracket, then I owned it... couldn't return it in good conscience after I modified that the factory didn't weld correctly in the first place. I have since replaced this OEM rack with the Kijima rear carrier (japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html) which is a much better item. Unfortunately, that was also a special-order item that was on back-order for over 3 months! Cheers! 👍 --QM
I'm not brave enough to ride anything under 500cc. When the car comes to kill me I want some power to get out of the way.
Yeah, I feel ya... Having plenty of power to squirt through or away from traffic is always nice. I can adapt my riding habits to machines of just about any power level. I will admit that when haven't ridden my bigger/faster bikes in a while and then take them through traffic... it's definitely nice to have the road superiority on tap. --QM
The Honda Cub without a rack is like a motorcycle rider without an ability to turn the throttle. But, that’s a dorky looking rack. The rack on the trail model is a much better piece of gear.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
The Honda rack left a lot to be desired. I upgraded to the Kijima rack and side supports ( czcams.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/video.html ), and that solution works much better for me. --QM
@@QuasiMotard YES! Now you’re talking about a rack worth taking home! Good decision you made there! I’ve seen Japanese stack up cartons of eggs (100 eggs per carton) 3 feet high on the rack on the back of a pedal bike. And boxed meals 2’-3’ high on the racks of a Honda Cub. A bike and motorcycle are MUCH more usable with a good rack. If you’re going camping, panniers (the current name for saddle bags) up on the front fender for light, bulky items adds more utility.
You’re going to like that rack. If I may suggest, carry about 5’-6’ of good, stout bungee (3/8”-7/16” thick) on the rack to secure loads. AND, add on 5’-6’ of parachute cord to further secure the already bungeed cargo.
While bungee supplies a constant tension, it does a poor job of establishing an outer limit. On bouncy roads and terrain,your cargo can bounce up and down a bit under only bungee, and work its way loose. Parachute cord is the opposite of bungee. It does a poor job of maintaining a constant squeeze, but an excellent job of establishing an outer limit of motion of cargo on a rack. Just my suggestion.
In a nutshell, I’ve lost things that were “tied down just right”, but have never lost anything that was tied down way too good.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying.
YOU BOUGHT THE ONLY HONDA THAT SUCKS NUTS! I BOUGHT THE 1ST H/ASTRA 100CC WHEN I WAS 15 AND MY FRIENDLY ADVICE IS: BUY A DOUBLE SIT AND THROW AWAY THE RACK/OR HOW YOU CALL IT. NICE JOB WITH THE ANTI-SCRACH BAG! I CAN SEE YOU ARE A PERFECTIONIST WHEN YOU TRY TO KEEP UNSCRATCH THE BLIND SPOTS(THE BASE OF THE RACK) THAT'S IMPOSIBLE AND POINTLES! YOU SHOULD BUY H.100CC IF YOU WANT SEMI-MANUAL ENGINE,OR THE SUZUKI FX 125 WITH MANUAL CLUTCH AND MORE STABLE ON ROAD B/CAUSE THE ENGINE IS 80 DEGREES UP INSTEAD PARALLEL TO THE GROUND! MOTORCYCLES ON MY PAST H/ASTRA 52mm 108cc,H.CR 250 2 STROKE, KTM LC4 640cc,KTM DUKE 640cc,KTM 525 4 STROKE FOR PISTA,NOW I HAVE H/CBR 1000RR FIREBLADE(THE LAST 4.5 YEARS!!!
Thanks for the feedback! We don't have a lot of the good small bikes in the USA that other parts of the world have. The Cub does not have the option for the double seat (bench seat) or passenger footpegs here because of government regulations. I do wish that we could get some of the really fun, sporty 125 CC bikes here in the USA. I have many other motorcycles and scooters to ride, so the Super Cub is just a fun toy for me right now. Cheers from the USA! --QM
Here is a clue. Toddlers are not dogs.. they do not respond reliably to verbal commands. Try that in a parking lot ( as I have seen all too often) instead of holding the kids hands.. and you will have to bury this one.
Wow, that's rude... where did that come from? My wife and I are both in the driveway with our kids. We have 3 of them, and we are well-versed in rearing our children. Perhaps you weren't raised as well? --QM