Jocko Podcast 167 w/ SEAL Master Chief, Jason Gardner: Lessons on War, Leadership, and Life (Pt.1)

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    0:00:00 - Opening
    0:02:50 - Master Chief, Jason Gardner. War, Life, and Leadership.
    2:12:00 - Support: How to stay on THE PATH.
    2:47:46 - Closing Gratitude.

Komentáře • 435

  • @johnw3736
    @johnw3736 Před 5 lety +367

    I think my favorite thing about this podcast is as follows: even though Jocko has had such a successful career in the military, and even though he’s had so much success transitioning into civilian life, he never seems to get too big headed. He listens intently. He tells the truth, however hard it may be for anyone to hear. Jocko seems so eager to learn new information. His energy is infectious.
    Finding this podcast has been one of my favorite things of the new year. I know I’m late to the party, but I’m just happy I’m here.

    • @joepesci5845
      @joepesci5845 Před 5 lety +7

      Same here!

    • @odinncool
      @odinncool Před 5 lety +2

      Good on you!

    • @FLsurferHurricanePLZ
      @FLsurferHurricanePLZ Před 5 lety +5

      One of the things he helps me with is trying to move up at work, I want to be a leader "make more money" but i dont like being an asshole, jocko doesnt haft to be an asshole his presence just screams leader. I listen to him alot.

    • @JR-kc8jx
      @JR-kc8jx Před 5 lety +4

      A living legend

    • @LevonsWound
      @LevonsWound Před 5 lety +6

      In my humble opinion, the best jocko podcast ive seen, intense, no-nonsense. Mr. Gardner should have his own podcast, wow, I like the way he tells his story, grabbed my attention and listened on the edge of my seat. Please bring him back for part 2. Thank you!

  • @DGB120
    @DGB120 Před 5 lety +323

    Good evening, Echo.

  • @PerryBattles
    @PerryBattles Před 5 lety +22

    I have been read Beowulf since I could understand speech. Both of my parents are Medievalists and as a young child I taught myself to say “Beowulf is my name”. I have to say, hearing Beowulf read by a modern day Beowulf who fought the Grendels that prowl the real world was absolutely epic. Thanks, Jocko!

  • @aaronanderson7619
    @aaronanderson7619 Před 5 lety +70

    In normal life, there is no way I would wind up in earshot of this man's story sessions. Truly amazing, thank you all. Especially echo

  • @97musicaddict
    @97musicaddict Před 5 lety +91

    Finally Jocko reads Beowulf! Get some 😤💪

    • @seancronin4010
      @seancronin4010 Před 5 lety +1

      About time, too. I've been waiting. I'm betting on Aristophanes next.

    • @FLsurferHurricanePLZ
      @FLsurferHurricanePLZ Před 5 lety +2

      Goosebumps bro good shit

    • @BenWeeks
      @BenWeeks Před 5 lety +3

      Would listen to Jocko read a Beowulf audiobook. Or more segments at least!

  • @mjmudshark5980
    @mjmudshark5980 Před 5 lety +50

    This guest was my favorite of all!!
    Love to hear the play by play of these guys careers.
    Keep them coming cause we’re locked on!

  • @chrisshelton8508
    @chrisshelton8508 Před 5 lety +16

    I loved it when the seal teams rolled with us! He said it felt like a beast rolling around us but it felt like call of duty with them!😂🙋🏽‍♂️

  • @Gringocorona
    @Gringocorona Před 5 lety +8

    This two-part series was one of the most insightful military podcasts I've ever listened to

  • @davem8448
    @davem8448 Před 5 lety +15

    Jason Gardner Rocks! What a cool guy. Jocko and Echo. You guys always rock! Laughed my *** off!

  • @sdbling
    @sdbling Před 5 lety +103

    You notice all a lot of these team guys have voices that sound like they done just a life time of yelling? Their vocal cords seen better days

    • @MssrSandman
      @MssrSandman Před 5 lety +3

      Hahaha yeah that’s interesting. Usually only see that with drill instructors and what not but I guess if you’re in consistent combat/training you’re yelling almost just as much.

    • @BostonsF1nest
      @BostonsF1nest Před 5 lety +3

      I’d imagine they have to yell a lot over the sound of gun fire and ppl getting slaughtered by America.

    • @sdbling
      @sdbling Před 5 lety +14

      Ahhhh haaa I C what’cha did there. Ya know a lotta people on here woulda missed that subtle nuance of genius that makes you the clever sand baggin son of a bitch that you are. Not me though. A genuine... welll we don’t need to go there.

    • @DalonCole
      @DalonCole Před 3 lety +1

      @@BostonsF1nest you should join them

  • @thomas4571
    @thomas4571 Před 5 lety +277

    Jocko's thumbnails look like they're scheming world domination.

  • @crou8040
    @crou8040 Před 4 lety +7

    How on Earth could anyone give any of Jocko's podcasts a thumbs down? Love these.

  • @villehamalainen2541
    @villehamalainen2541 Před 5 lety +15

    Finally, Jocko podcast recognizes the genius of Sensei Master Ken.

  • @OmegaTou
    @OmegaTou Před 3 lety +4

    Working for Echelon Front is DEFINITELY a much better plan than, "Doing some type of investment...stuff." That Mr. Gardner had planned the first time he got out of the Navy. Like Jocko says when you are getting ready to leave the service, "Find your next mission." Another awesome podcast!

  • @billhauglandiii8548
    @billhauglandiii8548 Před 5 lety +60

    I feel like a 10 year old boy after listening to these two warriors.

  • @spacejase75
    @spacejase75 Před 5 lety +48

    Echo lookin JACKED

    • @sethrich5032
      @sethrich5032 Před 5 lety +11

      He sounds like such a nice guy. Than you see him, and he looks like a Hawain Hulk.

    • @joshuaziegler9820
      @joshuaziegler9820 Před 4 lety +1

      Daniel Swithenbank Souls

    • @scott_rnit
      @scott_rnit Před 4 lety +1

      @Daniel Swithenbank he has a tattoo of muscle fibers

  • @deviltoys2000
    @deviltoys2000 Před 5 lety +60

    Jocko uses Theo Von phrases. "use that hitter" too good man

  • @JorgeSantos-ph4ip
    @JorgeSantos-ph4ip Před 5 lety +12

    1st time listener, but found you were awesome on Rogan, commenting, liking, and subscribing now! Respect to you and Master Chief Gardner from a former Marine. Semper Fi.

    • @zoom4368
      @zoom4368 Před 2 lety

      No such thing as a former marine

  • @skmin125
    @skmin125 Před 5 lety +17

    Stand by to get some.

  • @daveforman7486
    @daveforman7486 Před 5 lety +4

    Thank you both for these great lessons from the best

  • @lukeakerboom6298
    @lukeakerboom6298 Před 5 lety +1

    Love the Humility from you two. Especially to hear it from the Master Chief who was constantly reminding us how cocky he was. (And then more humbly states it was nothing but insecurity) Great Podcast! Amazing and very inspiring.

  • @gleleniewski
    @gleleniewski Před 3 lety +2

    Joined the Navy 1985, born and raised in Detroit got stationed on a GMC out of San Diego where I first herd Black Flag and then the Circle Jerks never heard anything like it and immediately loved it , got into Metallica and Slayer and still jam to them today

  • @ArtworkAnon
    @ArtworkAnon Před 5 lety +17

    The lighting and video treatment on this show is perfect.

  • @ap_395_n
    @ap_395_n Před 5 lety +4

    Great interview. Really enjoyed this one.

  • @DontLetTheOldManIn
    @DontLetTheOldManIn Před 3 lety +1

    Old school Jocko Podcast when that’s all there was. Applauding the rapid and much deserved, and Earned, success! But there was something irresistible about this time. I’m sure there are many awesome JP’s yet to be. But this is when I was hooked, hung on every word, becoming a loyal fan.
    Thank you both for keeping the spirit of JP mostly real and raw.

  • @ZeqaSnipes
    @ZeqaSnipes Před 5 lety +29

    Have marcus luttrell on the podcast

    • @dandearing9146
      @dandearing9146 Před 4 lety +2

      Luttrell abandoned his team. That’s the only thing that makes sense. Why would Murphy be screaming his name over and over?

    • @ZeqaSnipes
      @ZeqaSnipes Před 4 lety +1

      @@dandearing9146 would still like to hear his story talking with jocko thou. may give us some new perspective

  • @timothyvonbecker7612
    @timothyvonbecker7612 Před 5 lety +6

    My son is transitioning from civilian to war fighter. At this moment he is engaged in the PAST test Air Force Spec Ops. Aspiring PJ, one of my greatest gifts I gave him was the link to this podcast. Thanks Jocko, for the podcast and the books.

    • @sheridanpringle1263
      @sheridanpringle1263 Před 5 lety

      Hope your kid makes it. PJs save lives man. We need them.

    • @xtinct6584
      @xtinct6584 Před 2 lety

      Sounds like your son is a badass MF. Better man than I am.

    • @theotherside1159
      @theotherside1159 Před rokem

      Just finished the long pipeline few months ago. How did your boy do?

  • @maverick744
    @maverick744 Před 3 lety +4

    When Jocko left for boot camp he said “pops” I’m leaving now so your the man of the house now.. lol Jockos face looks like it was made to fit in a Spartan helmet.. real deal right there

  • @JR-kc8jx
    @JR-kc8jx Před 4 lety

    This is my favorite guest of any. The struggle is real.

  • @spinagesmoke
    @spinagesmoke Před 5 lety +2

    Hell yeah guys! Great episode. Shout out to gbh and seal teams from San Diego!! Love what you guys are doing here. Cheers

  • @andrewchurney8864
    @andrewchurney8864 Před 4 lety +1

    Jocko, the warrior-philosopher. Truly a man among boys.

  • @Kansasrunner
    @Kansasrunner Před 5 lety +2

    This episode is bad ass. I love this guy

  • @Yoshimurha
    @Yoshimurha Před 5 lety +1

    This dang Podcast, just listening to Jocko and Echo jab and joke around with each other at the end of each podcast makes it so much more rewarding listening through every podcast. Just Jocko's evil laugh alone is worth waiting for. The genuineness in this podcast is unmatched in the very awkward world of podcasts out there. Thanks Jocko and Echo for your efforts! P.S. - Hoping to see Goggins in your podcast in the future!

  • @02stampede
    @02stampede Před 5 lety +3

    I could listen to these two talk a lot longer than 3 hours.

  • @timspradlin2001
    @timspradlin2001 Před 3 lety

    Such a great story! Thank you for your service! 🇺🇸

  • @lauriepenman7154
    @lauriepenman7154 Před 5 lety +16

    It is wonderful watching such an intimate conversation between friends. It is as if nobody else is there. Also so amusing hearing “wasta”.

  • @deadarmd
    @deadarmd Před 2 lety

    You can tell jocko is excited. Its nice to see\hear.

  • @akimbo5u
    @akimbo5u Před 4 lety

    Its awesome to have such a big fan of the show on the podcast!

  • @lucabrasiinspired7763
    @lucabrasiinspired7763 Před 5 lety +13

    I love these interviews I find it interesting learning about war and hardship but most of all over coming the beast

  • @ClockwerkIndustries
    @ClockwerkIndustries Před 5 lety +4

    SLAYER \m/Going to see them on my birthday in May! Found out about them when I was 12 from my buddies older brother and they make the hair on my arms stand up to this day 20 years later! Once I heard them, the bar was set!

    • @jonsharp6952
      @jonsharp6952 Před 5 lety

      I just seen them in Tampa, they killed it.

  • @brutussz5684
    @brutussz5684 Před 3 lety

    Completely missed this episode, like many others but still, what an inspiring and just awesome dude. Jocko, although this has been over a year ago, this still applies now, you are by far the best podcast host ever, like.. I listen to podcasts daily (mentors 4 military, mike ritland, the fieldcraft survival podcast, modern mindset, cleared hot, recon,..), but you really are by far the best host. Not because you're a giant of a man, not because you were a seal, not because of any of that, it's because you don't let ANY of that get to your head and you're just really genuinely interested in their stories, you let them speak you don't interrupt them (a big mistake from a lot of hosts), you really know how to kinda guide the guest into a certain way where they are really comfortable talking and sharing their stories. You sir deserve all the respect you get from the people around you, you definitely do.
    Kind regards.

  • @danrooney7374
    @danrooney7374 Před 4 lety +1

    It gave me the biggest smile to hear Jocko Willink talking about hardcore.

  • @ClockwerkIndustries
    @ClockwerkIndustries Před 5 lety +3

    These massive podcasts are awesome also!

  • @SuperFighter94
    @SuperFighter94 Před 4 lety

    As soon as i heard Jocko ask how he got into punk and metal i was like this dude is Awesome!

  • @cojojojo8964
    @cojojojo8964 Před 2 lety

    Jason Gardner was a cool guest! Really enjoyed hearing his story! 👍

  • @jamesrelinski8853
    @jamesrelinski8853 Před 5 lety +3

    I wish I had leadership like Jocko.
    But then again, so does everyone else!
    Jocko / EchoCharles 2020 !
    But then again, we're not worthy.

  • @davidpierce9949
    @davidpierce9949 Před 4 lety

    I like this pod cast. This is like my 4th time listening to it. Jason G seens like a good dude

  • @timothythomas1626
    @timothythomas1626 Před 5 lety +4

    Love to hear an interview of HARRY CONSTANCE Seal and Author of "Good To Go". Great story the guy went through hell. He was a Seal in Vietnam .

  • @anthonylewis9256
    @anthonylewis9256 Před 5 lety +3

    Good stuff ! Guys I like how this guy tells his stories as if it's just him an jocko an echo .

  • @cisoperez9423
    @cisoperez9423 Před 5 lety +3

    Welcome aboard Master Chief , steaming to the west coast:)

  • @mackbach7585
    @mackbach7585 Před 5 lety +3

    Is it weird that hearing that initial story of his first sniper contact was actually better then any motivational video I could ever watch?

  • @thefireduppatriot5288
    @thefireduppatriot5288 Před 5 lety +2

    Listening to this episode is so GD satisfying

  • @stevenmovsesian9599
    @stevenmovsesian9599 Před 3 lety +18

    When Jocko showed up to BUDs they just gave him his Trident and told him to help the instructors .

  • @94Zero
    @94Zero Před 5 lety +6

    A great podcast.

  • @Chaosdude341
    @Chaosdude341 Před 5 lety +3

    Excellent podcast.

  • @philliphampton5183
    @philliphampton5183 Před 3 lety +1

    Listening to Echo cracking up was one of the best parts of this one

  • @f0rumrr
    @f0rumrr Před 4 lety

    Adapt and overcome, the best skill you can have, its the skill to learn new things.

  • @michaelboskovich6948
    @michaelboskovich6948 Před 4 lety

    Great Podcast - My New Favorite Channel.

  • @briancasteel1222
    @briancasteel1222 Před 3 lety

    I think the closed loop is the best way to operate because we are talking those individuals with specialized training and experience and incorporating them back into our Frontline troops who otherwise may never get that type of leadership.

  • @PerryBattles
    @PerryBattles Před 5 lety +26

    Jocko is Beowulf. Echo is Wiglaf.

  • @crazyd3uces
    @crazyd3uces Před 5 lety +3

    Jocko would be the perfect dude to play Letho in The Witcher... Jocko, tiiime to start a movie career!!

    • @andrewwest1115
      @andrewwest1115 Před 4 lety

      crazyd3uces holy shit he would be perfect for that

  • @learning_with_irving4266

    I was getting ready for bed and literally before clicking in the video thumbnail, I said to myself, "Tell me a bedtime story uncle Jocko, and then i hear that opening excerpt he reads in the beginning, felt like Christmas in July 😂🤣

  • @DUCKS2525
    @DUCKS2525 Před 5 lety +6

    More Chicken Patties! Love that! Your guys are awesome!!!!! Appreciate you both!!!

  • @da87barber49
    @da87barber49 Před 5 lety +2

    Thank you jocko👏

  • @maxkilo4979
    @maxkilo4979 Před 3 lety +1

    This one and the Jonny kim one are my favorite podcast episode

  • @yilderim1924
    @yilderim1924 Před 5 lety +11

    Love Jocko's bemused expression when the conversation turns to Star Wars costumes.

    • @eliaguilar1915
      @eliaguilar1915 Před rokem +1

      Thank you for expanding my vocabulary, had to look up if bemused was a real word lol

  • @jesswiseman2086
    @jesswiseman2086 Před 5 lety +2

    It was "Target Focused Training" -- TFT.. the spinal reflex to the strike would dictate the reaction
    Massive shade thrown.. OTOH jiu-jitsu can't beat a bum rush.. better to shoot from cover...or call in an airstrike :)

  • @lgrannon
    @lgrannon Před 5 lety +2

    Thanks for another great podcast! A bit of explanation on some of the military jargon used during the podcast would have been great for to those of us who have never served in the military. Several times I found myself hoping the jacked Echo Charles would pipe up and ask, "what does that mean?"

  • @krono5el
    @krono5el Před 5 lety +2

    this was so damn good

  • @terifarley4770
    @terifarley4770 Před 5 lety

    Old single shot McMillan 88! I remember seeing one of those at a gunshow in the 90s when I was in highschool. Not sure any other 50 cal is as cool!

  • @guyinthechai
    @guyinthechai Před 5 lety

    Amazing convo!

  • @couchfighter
    @couchfighter Před 3 lety

    We had to read Jockos book at my office! Very good!

  • @darthvaderginsburg4694
    @darthvaderginsburg4694 Před 5 lety +6

    You know what is f*(king crazy? I think I did some Training Ops with this Brother in the PI. I was station at VC-5 from 90-92 as a Rescue Swimmer/Aircrewman.
    I wondered why he looked so damned familiar to me. Small GD world, man. lol

  • @CodyAnderson333
    @CodyAnderson333 Před 5 lety +80

    haha at 2:24:26 Jocko said "Get that Hitta" haha anyone else Theo Von fans in here? #ganggang

    • @ddlmytwat
      @ddlmytwat Před 5 lety +2

      Another at 2:26:50 haha ... Check.

    • @9thGenerationCajun
      @9thGenerationCajun Před 5 lety +3

      I went to school with Theo in jr high.I didn't know he even spoke until he was on Mtv Road Rules.

    • @CodyAnderson333
      @CodyAnderson333 Před 5 lety +1

      @@9thGenerationCajun very cool. Covington eh? He's a very funny comedian. crazy success with his own podcast and he's been on Joe Rogans podcast like 4 times. awesome.

    • @9thGenerationCajun
      @9thGenerationCajun Před 5 lety +2

      @@CodyAnderson333 actually he lived in a neighboring town called Slidell a New Orleans suburb.

    • @CodyAnderson333
      @CodyAnderson333 Před 5 lety +2

      @@9thGenerationCajunok he's said he lived about 20 mins away from Slidell but I suppose thats all the same shit lol.. He has said that he lived with his mom for awhile and with a family friend for awhile so he probably moved around the area a bit. thats pretty cool that you went to school with him man. gang gang bruh.

  • @stevej822
    @stevej822 Před 2 lety

    So crazy earlier in this podcast I was thinking damn, being in the water I've never heard any stories about sharks and Baaaam! You guys touch on it.

  • @teddysalad8227
    @teddysalad8227 Před 3 lety +1

    Listening to “Puff the Magic Dragon” while watching Puff the Magic Dragon work over a hillside.

  • @gdodson77
    @gdodson77 Před 4 lety

    How have I not heard of this Podcast today. I heard Andy on Rogan. Then today Jocko is on my feed today. Strange. Well I can try and clue in while sheltering in place. Great stuff.

  • @jerrymarshall2095
    @jerrymarshall2095 Před 3 lety

    This guest is top notch entertainment.

  • @maverick744
    @maverick744 Před 3 lety +2

    So true lol.. I always made sure I had friends in the galley and supply,, always needed food and boondockers

  • @100ballster
    @100ballster Před 5 lety +31

    1:16:01 Beginning of his combat in Somalia story...

  • @dennisharold9342
    @dennisharold9342 Před 2 lety +1

    Gator Squares off the coast of Africa for months on end? Whoa....you weren't by chance on the Med Float off the coast of Congo and Zaire aboard the Nassau LHA 4 with me, were ya?

  • @HashFace253
    @HashFace253 Před 5 lety

    Thank you!

  • @frogkic
    @frogkic Před 4 lety

    I knew Dan Carol from years ago, Great man!

  • @paulcoopmans4288
    @paulcoopmans4288 Před 2 lety

    Look for the speech ( on youtube ) that Jason gave to a bunch of seals before starting a mission, its awesome….

  • @1Tks3773
    @1Tks3773 Před 3 lety

    I'm interested in starting to eat healthy. Can you list what you eat in your diet, maybe make a recipe book{ just a thought} and I'm truly glad I found you on Joe Rogan and have enjoyed watching your positive and inspirational podcasts!

  • @kingofskate08
    @kingofskate08 Před 4 lety +13

    I just imagine jocko, leif, tony, chris and the whole squad rolling into ramadi blasting pantera or slayer or some shit and scaring the piss out of the enemy. Shits like a movie in my head.

    • @ajax2600
      @ajax2600 Před 4 lety

      Oh h*ll yes, except I'm seeing squads from EVERYWHERE ... TO TAKE OUT THE ENEMY AND THEIR TROLLS!

    • @Decrapitate
      @Decrapitate Před 2 lety +1

      I definitely heard Reign in Blood playing over the PA system of an MRAP the squad guys were using at like 0400 after coming back from a mission. Caught myself instinctively begin to nod my head, make the metal face, and make the horns. 😂
      I got IA orders to Iraq in 09-10. After arriving in Ramadi I was finally told I was augmenting a SEAL team. Im nothing special but worked hard to do my job right tracking missions and doing supply runs to smaller OPs. Mr Babin was my operations officer for that deployment and as a person who worked in operations I spoke with him daily. I can’t forget the “classroom” Instruction (for EXW pin) he gave about expeditionary operations. For two hours he described the scenario, decisions made, and what he experienced during the Battle for Ramadi in 06. Being face to face and hearing this first hand really stuck with me.

  • @kn5dx8
    @kn5dx8 Před 4 lety

    I (USAF CES) gave the Team on my FOB 3 generators, and lumber (build a practice house). They gave us their range for 10 hours, captured weapons, ammo. My fav was the Russian RPK, this thing jamming on me, I'm working it. SEAL comes over with jug of SAE 30 dumps on, says "RACK IT". Worked like champ. Like old MASH episodes, trade what you got.

  • @nataliegruschin2958
    @nataliegruschin2958 Před 3 lety +1

    I’m a loyal fan and I’m just curious why anyone could give jocko’s pods a thumbs down?

    • @unclerico7271
      @unclerico7271 Před 3 lety

      Insecurity maybe?? I'm w you, dont get that either, but to each their own i suppose 😎

  • @coaltobaccoandwildhorses1160

    Nine ISIS members have watched this based on current thumbs down. Stay on the path, find them.

  • @Decrapitate
    @Decrapitate Před 2 lety

    As a former sailor, becoming friendly with someone who works in the galley, and supply is always a smart move

  • @Godwad
    @Godwad Před 5 lety +7

    Fantastic guest, terrific podcast!

  • @dandearing9146
    @dandearing9146 Před 4 lety

    Mr. Gardner was in Gordon Forbes documentary about navy seals. He talks about that .50 cal experience

  • @bernardloveland8802
    @bernardloveland8802 Před 4 lety +2

    Hell yeah! Master chief loves the dead Kennedys!! That’s awesome! US Navy Veteran 1994-2004 ...SH2(sw) we had Navy Seals on our deployment in 1997 onboard the USS Ashland LSD 48..they were crazy but cool as F!!

  • @Sporkshooter
    @Sporkshooter Před 3 lety +1

    "Well, they tell you that but I finally started listening to them".

  • @rivercitymike76
    @rivercitymike76 Před 4 lety

    Jocko would kick ass at doing Voice Over work for Anime. that voice.... would def do justice to so many Characters.

  • @natewilley1108
    @natewilley1108 Před 5 lety +2

    I got to train some Seabees in Guam and just wondering if you ever been to the bar called Big Will's with a huge Clydesdale in front of it. Well after a good night there I road that horse!

  • @kimosabbe50
    @kimosabbe50 Před 5 lety +2

    Mr. Gardener's attitude reminds me a bit of Jesse James' (West Coast Choppers).

  • @kevfour1176
    @kevfour1176 Před 4 lety

    When Jocko is talking about martial arts he starts sounding like Rex from Napoleon Dynamite. ‘Bow to your sensei!’ 🤣 ‘no one wants a roundhouse kick to face while I’m wearing these bad boys.’

  • @jilllathers9215
    @jilllathers9215 Před 3 lety

    Thank you!♥️😁

  • @jumperjosh1732
    @jumperjosh1732 Před 5 lety

    Jocko.. Brother cant forget Bad Religion and the Descendents.. !