Grimdark vs. 'Eavy Metal | Miniature Painting Space Marine
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Warhammer 40k and space marines have two main styles: 'Eavy Metal, the official games workshop style, and Grimdark inspired by the Warhammer lore. In this video, I talk about an easy technique to paint your miniatures faster with less effort using dry brushing and citadel contrast paints.
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Lyla Mev The Mini Witch creates beginner miniature painting tutorials and easy-to-understand guides for Warhammer, dungeons & dragons, and more. My favorite things to paint are sisters of battle, display quality miniatures, and focusing on having fun. - Jak na to + styl
Are you team grimdark, 'eavy metal, or something else?
Grimdark all the way! On account of the fact that it's just easier to make a paintjob look grimy and worn, credibly, than it is to make it look pristine and ordered, and I'm not particularly any good at painting.
grim dark
My style is almost the exact opposite of grimdark. I like bright vivid colors. And a lot of them. 😁
If there are eyes, then I think I'm Team GrimDERP. For Spehss Mehreens, though, they're way more "high school sports" than "grim warriors of the far future" when I paint them, because the Imperial Guard are just better.
Oh absolutely and totally reasonable
The problem is most people have never been out in the field for 1 or 2 month. I was in the military for 5 years and after 2 weeks without taking a shower or cleaning you gear most grim dark models are too clean, you don't have the rust but mud and dirt is over everything.
noted for next time: more mud and grime.
@@LylaMev „the secret ingredient is grime.“
I mean that's probably a compromise between dirty and grimed look and tabeltop readability
Maybe a lot of gear is recycled to newer troops when the soldier dies?
I've been enjoying painting in the 90s style with a mix of grim dark. But no matter the style I'm just happy when I have a chance to paint.
You did a fantastic job with both of these styles. I think there's more personality to your grimdark style model.
Back when I played Warhammer, my paint skills lent themselves mostly to 'eavy metal style. These days, painting mostly board game minis, I'm aiming for the style of grimdark more often than not.
THANK YOU
Lyla, the term you were looking for @7:01 is mottling. But the thing about the Grimdark paint style is reductive techniques in a lot of instances. For example, painting over your entire model with Streaking Grime then going back over it with a g-tip dipped in mineral spirits and daubbing away what you don't want. The excess mineral spirits will pick up some of the grime and allow it to pool naturally in the recesses. Because it's a reductive style it appeals to people... IMHO, because you're less worried about the application since you're going to be coming back in to remove a bunch of it anyhow.
really cool to see you do different styles Lyla, I already prefer your way of explaining things and expanding this is so nice
I needed this video tbh. I have hit a wall painting 'Eavy metal and the constant edge highlighting is crippling my desire to paint, I used to do more Grimdark style and can't wait to Switch back again remembering how much I used to enjoy it
How do you do the edge highlighting?
9:23 Accidental Emperor's Children, nice XD Great techniques overall! Will definitely keep them in my toolbelt.
Ooh, I actually really like the pink eavy metal marine. That was a lovely color.
they both look amazing
Recommend using something non-porous/not a paper towel to take the paint out of your drybrush, it takes out more moisture than pigment and can lead to chalky drybrush look in my experience. Your results speak for themselves though and the models look nice! Great video!
That grimdark one is fire 🔥
Nice technique. I'll have to give it a go!
My guess is, grimdark came about because when Chaos started coming out the palette for them was mostly blacks and reds and oranges and so, the instinct is to drag the tones down and so, I mean, in the typical artwork of the day you would have maybe an ink illustration with maybe a drawn down orange wash, classic space marines were like the bread and butter of games workshop and by comparison to the entire universe of lore they looked almost flamboyant in most people’s renditions… I mean, even dark angels were starting to go towards being salamander green in creative examples despite having a core palette that was mostly a dark hunter green and cream… the canon changed and so, I mean, they tried to culminate everything under the same kind of aesthetic…
I'd like to see some NMM on the Eavy Metal piece but definitely great separating two! My interpretation is Metal makes a piece look newer which is perfect for the Heresy timeframe, while Grimdark really adds to the 40k aesthetic!
Grimdark is trick to evaluate how actually easy it is when there is some people around doing with gauches and oils only. Texture plays a big part not only color on both styles. And you can play with lights and shades on both too.
I guess it's all about the mood the model have when finish.
Grimdank all the way! I might try your grime effects.
though I find myself liking a style that's a wedding between the two and..something else. I think its closer to the "eavy metal" like the painter Andrey demidov does. its clean, has a shine smooth blend and style to it, yet some brown or oily effect in the recesses and lower parts
That was such a cool episode. I almost wanted to buy Marines there for a moment.. lol. But seriously, I definitively want to try these techniques now.
Thank you!
Fools... Run!!!!!
Too late, ahahahaah ^^
Very nice video. Keep up the good work.
Nicely done. I especially like the grimdark marine here.
This helped inspire me to try grim dark myself now.
Just need to find a nice enamel safe varnish to go over the marine before I add the weathering so I don't eat away the acrylics.
Use regular thinned down oil paints. You can use that straight over the acrylic paint.
That's how I do it.
Let the paint cure then apply a matte varnish over the top before you add the streaking grime, make sure the cue tip is really
Moist and just let it do all the work try not apply pressure and you should
Be good
Great vid. I'd love to see you try other painting styles too!
Noted!
I have been learning a grimdark style on a blood angel mini recently - and to be honest - it would look much better without edge higlight with orange but gunmetal on black/black-brown instead
"If you have an airbrush, then... no" I LOLed. That was a question I was asking myself ever since the priming with an airbrush.
Did you try the "Artist Opus" method on the drybrush, with a sponge to add moisture and using a non-porous texture board to unload the paint?
I saw that but chose to do dry brushing because it was faster!
@@LylaMev their method is still drybrushing, just a refined method
'Eavy metal is my fave, but they're both awesome
I have the Votan box to build and paint and I'm going for the orange paint scheme, i know orange can be difficult to use over black primer so what would you suggests?
An interesting experiment, thank you Lyla. I'm sure you're aware of the AK Interactive Streaking Grime that most of us live by - though I find the one for Grey (reddish tint) better than the brown.
Continuing the experimental theme have you ever tried painting with Gouache? It's not for basecoating, but for blends and highlights it's an interesting alternative to oils.
That was a great cat at 5:30, thank you
He was eating cork!
That’s a real fun challenge.
I am glad to see you branching out to something different. Any chance you would do a video on microarmour vehicles one day?
I paint with the intent of mimicking 'EAVY METAL as well as I can. It's been this way for me for a long time. I think I have reached "EAVY METAL standard from the early 2000s.
Awesome job
What kinda paints are you using if I may ask
Thank you
Here is a link to the Grimdark Compendium since it is not in the show notes both his youtube and website, WEBSITE: grimdarkcompendium.com CZcams: czcams.com/users/GrimdarkCompendium. One of the masters of the style. Its way more then drybrushing and yes you can do this with an airbrush. Zatcaskagoon does it all the time.
Do you recommend any particular brand of domed brushes for drybrushing?
Just wanted to say, I have never seen anyone do a White edge highlight.. then add some low opacity lighter paint on top to make for a smoother highlight. Even though the Omnissiah frowns on innovation, props where due
They used to encourage changing waste water like, a lot… so as not to get saturation clashes probably the paint was less stable, I dunno so, the ‘grimdark’ thing implies ‘cloudy’ and that implies … the colour and consistency of your washing pot…
Great video. I wonder if you have ever done any infinity models? I know dum question. I just recently did up some and had a blast doing it. I havent seen any in your videos
Dumb not dum
My apologies, keyboard from phone and fast thumbs
Neat! I'm curious about what sort of domed brush you are using there. Do you have recommendations?
Army Painter and Artis Opus both make them in a few different sizes, but you can also just use cheap makeup brushes - less durable but also a lot less expensive.
@@wadehunter8113 Cool! Thank you!!
My domed brush is a makeup brush, but I would really like to try the artist opus brushes!
@@LylaMev Thank you! For me to start, I should probably begin with a makeup brush- That way I'm not thinking of it as a pricy item and then being afraid to use it!
Great video! Veteran painter with 15+ years in the hobby. This video inspired me to try some new processes that I had not thought of. Thank you.
I'll be looking forward to your next video.
Dry brush all the way. It adds texture and results in a pleasing used look.
Hey Lyla, would you ever consider teaching in person? I'm starting to realize that the next step in my painting journey is for someone with experience to check over my shoulder. I'm sure a lot of painters could benefit from your instruction in person!
I would def pay for this
I see a drybrush video. I like it. I'm a simple man who LOVES dry brush as the best way to paint
Pretty sure the only discipline that even recognised the term ‘grimdark’ explicitly was Necromunda and if you have seen the minis from back in the day, they were all largely flamboyantly painted since it was a small squad game so, each player part was seen as like a unique character…
hey this is great. makes me feel better about using my fiance's makup brushes now. they are very very good for drybrushing aye
I think you missed the mark on the 'eavy metal style, but the Grimdark looks good and to me is just a bit of chipping/wear&tear away from a really awesome looking grimdank take.
I think the 'Eavy Metal one still has a bit too much shading and desaturation on its colors, and not enough edge highlighting. I feel like 'Eavy metal style literally highlights every single edge on the mini with frightening consistency, and so the gun holster, panels on the legs, aquila, all could use a bit more in that aspect. And the colors still feel desaturated in places where I don't think it fits if you're going for 'Eavy Metal look. Their own painting guides with basecoats and washes might still be the faster way to achieve a basic 'Eavy Metal look.
Personally I dont' go for strictly either, but of the two, I'll always strive towards Grimdark.
I'm a beginner I'm wanting to paint 3d printed stuff any recommendations thank you
First time seeing someone painting eavy metal without an air brush, still pretty cool
that was the challenge!
@@LylaMev yeah I don’t have one so this was pretty helpful 😂
I prefer anyway grimdark or similar anyway
Which finally meant that everything became injection moulded and pewter was largely sent the way of the dinosaurs… for base continuity and probably cost…
I've watched a lot of eavy metal painters paint and I don't think I've ever seen any of them use a drybrush even once. Although this method definitely seems faster and simpler.
i'm glad!
I have had an airbrush for a few years now and I am deathly afraid to even try using it :(.
Grim dark for 40k, 'eavy metal for blood bowl love me bright and vibrant sports teams
And ‘medallion scale’ refers to the size of the plinth or scale base…
Dabbing with your finger. Doesn't it leave texture from your fingerprint ?
that pink at the end.
It was such a pretty color!
@@LylaMev what color was that?
It wasn’t really even ‘done thing’ up to a point to undercoat because of the inconsistency of die cast finish in medallion scale… so… I dunno.
I’ve never tried ‘Eavy metal if I’m honest, I’ve always seen it as a pretty retro style and try to go for more realistic desaturated colours, but not as grimy and depressing as Grimdark. Maybe if I played Warhammer, I’d pick a style but I think it all really depends on what the model is. #NotificationSquad
That totally makes sense!
I usually dislike Grimdark, people tend to overdo it, and the models are just a mess of brown from a meter away. This one is just about bright enough for me.
While I have an airbrush, I rarely use it, I just don't enjoy the process of cleaning it, having a noisy thing next to me and needing a mask. I do enjoy drybrushing, so that governs my choice a lot more than speed or result.
I would cite that technically, unless your model is die cast pewter plate, technically, you’re not doing ‘eavy metal… that’s kinda the point…
Love 'Eavy Metal style and all my marines usually get that treatment. Grim-dark just looks dirty to me, like two coats of nuln oil and they're done. Not my favorite.
So, why would you not do this if you had an airbrush? Asking for a n00b friend.
It's SO MUCH EASIER with an airbrush. I would just do black, target white with the airbrush, then do an ink or contrast paint over top.
23rd comment! I’m basically a super fan.
You're my favorite
HM style is cool to see but really boring to paint and honestly I don’t think it looks good enough to justify the time expenditure.
My personal favourite styles are the ones used by Cult of Paint who do a lot of the heavy lifting with airbrush and an oil wash. Juan Hidalgo’s style with Contrast paints is also fantastic. I also love Squidmar’s style and colour choices.
End of the day though it’s best to create your own style, and just improve over time!
Too many edge highlights for it to count as grimdark. Not enough contrast between the eye lenses and the high points of the armor.
My problem is that I personally enjoy edge highlighting, so I had a hard time reigning myself in....
@@LylaMev and isn’t enjoying the hobby the point?
Exactly
@@LylaMev That's fair. I do think it's a nice compromise between the two styles, which is what you were going for. A third no-highlighted mini would have really highlighted the differences between the styles if you put them side by side though, imo. Regardless, agreed with the other commenter that your own enjoyment comes first.
I mean, whatever, it’s not like it makes us all any better at painting… it’s just trivia.
Hey! You're not that small, basically normal size...
:)
Grim Dark is dirty realism with real, true to life pretenses. 'Eavy Metal is clean and bright stand out with real, true to life pretenses.
Personally I want to combine both!
@@LylaMev I am for clean realism. Grim Dark is usually overdone. I like watching those hobby channels doing super realistic railway scenery. It’s not clean. It’s sometimes bright. And it’s realistic.
And (the old) eavyMetal stuff is like Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.
Not a big fan of those
Eavy metal all the way. Never tried to and never will paint a grim dark model in my life.
its squarespace again.
It is!
I much prefer Grimdark
these models are both great but, the 'eavy metal one is just kind of a mess, its a style completely focused on clean sharp transitions and edge highlights and this is not that. I mean absolutely no disrespect but drybrushing is not really how 'eavy metal is done
I very like the idea of the video.
Still, I really find the results of the paintjob below average and I find the presentation of the 'Eavy Metal style totally exagerated.
In the last video of Midiwinter Minis, Guy, who's a very average painter, made an incredible Ultramarine.
Not even speaking about Duncan Rhodes or GoblinGreen, who are top master painters of the 'Eavy Metal style.
The idea of the 'Eavy Metal painting style is to focus on a same but clear color on a surface, and taking a lot of time on the edges. Here, I see nothing on this.
Compared to all you CZcams people's productions eavy metal is a bit boring. Grimdark is a far older and more interesting tradition going all the way back to Hieronymous Bosch and the Renaissance painters :)
i had not considered grimdark being related to renaissance/baroque, that is so interesting! Maybe there is a video in there....
@@LylaMev The master himself John Blanche cited it as an influence way back in an interview with the "Black Library" now archived on the Sean Goblin blogspot.
So, I mean… I dunno.
I dont know how not to come across as sexist. I apologise. Firstly Grimdark for me every day of the week. I clicked and subscribed because of the Grimdark way of painting. I haven't painted 40K for 28 years (yes I'm that old). All the people i watch on YT are Male. You are the first highly skilled females I've seen in 40k, I truly didnt know there was a female 40k figure painter... and I'm in awe. If I was to commission an Army. you are now the person I would turn to. Awesome. truly Awesome.
The grim dark model looks great but the heavy metal marine missed the mark.
I think the dry brushing and thick highlights made it look too sloppy to be a their style. They’d have done a fine highlight of a bright red, followed by a finer highlight of orange, followed by an ultra fine highlight of yellow.
Can you do both styles with dry brushing? - No.
You don't think I was successful?
she killed it, dude.
@@thomasjones3221 thank you!
@@LylaMev I think dry brushing lends itself more to the grim dark style than it does the 'eavy metal one. The latter is pedantically precise and clean and I don't think that is possible with a dry brush. Honestly, I'm not sure if your 'eavy metal take was poking fun at it, as you tend towards a more realistic style in the models you paint.
I mean, ‘grimdark’ technically was just blotting down your hitone finish with your waste water and in doing so, taking away both some of the thickness of the undercoated finish and also diminishing the resolution of the overall finish… so, like you take the water you ostensibly keep on your hobby desk to clean your brushes or whatever and you blot it onto your finished model…
grimdark>>>eavy metal
No and no. These are both sooooo far off what you set out to achieve and the technique kinda didn't help.
That being said, the fact i am scrolling through old videos kinda says a lot about how much i like your usual content. Glad you moves away from marines though, it's not your fit and that ok and even great!
And i have to say. This is slapchop before it was cool so there is that. I would have taken credit for it during the hype, i mean, you have proof :P
You might be color blind
Why is that?
Thank you