Old vs NEW Stumpjumper 15 GENIE TRAIL Bike from Specialized, Stumpy 2025

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024

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  • @SubversionGarage
    @SubversionGarage Před 2 měsíci +29

    The lack of mech cable routing completely rules it out for me.

    • @TC-hl1ws
      @TC-hl1ws Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yes, me too. I try to keep my life as simple as possible and remembering to keep my shifters charged is one more responsibility I don't want. I wouldn't be surprised if all high end mtb's are manufactured for wireless in the near future. 😞

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      That could happen taking the lead from road...

    • @SubversionGarage
      @SubversionGarage Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@LoveMTB ​ @TC-hl1ws For me, the value of wireless does not justify the cost. I can replace my entire XT setup for under $200, and it shifts perfectly.

    • @FRonTLinES10064
      @FRonTLinES10064 Před 2 měsíci +1

      In the promo video, you can see an alloy frame with a cable derailleur, so it’ll just be exclusive to the alloy model I guess

    • @interceptor7905
      @interceptor7905 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Bike industry is getting ridiculous!

  • @HUKIT.
    @HUKIT. Před 2 měsíci +15

    The new frame looks better without the side bar but leaving no option for a cable drivetrain is sort of concerning. I’m a SRAM user but went back to X01 after trying AXS for a season.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yeah the new frame looks great, some say similar to Levo SL. As for AXS, I am using the old X01/XX1 mech🤓

  • @The.JZA.
    @The.JZA. Před měsícem +2

    The 2019 Stumpjumper was one bike to rule all trails and then they split it in two; a short travel trail bike and a borderline enduro bike (the evo). Now they have gone back to what the Stumpjumper always should have been, a mid travel trail bike that can do it all.

  • @Svenmpa
    @Svenmpa Před 2 měsíci +3

    I hope you will continue your channel for a long time. Your video of this new Stumpjumper is better than pretty much every other video out there. And your other videos are just as good. Keep it up!

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thanks, getting harder and harder to justify the effort but my passion for everything cycling gear is intact😉

  • @hevdread
    @hevdread Před 2 měsíci +2

    TRP is working on wireless drive trains too. They had a wireless 16 speed with a Classified hub at Eurobike, although that was more road/gravel, seem logical they might be also working towards a full E-drive train.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah I saw that. They're all after wireless but I think that's not because of bikes like this, good ol' pedal bikes. It is bnecause of the e-Bikes where even running that cable is a nightmare.

  • @The.JZA.
    @The.JZA. Před měsícem +2

    I ordered one, exactly the same as the one you have there. I struggled to find videos showing this colour up close so thank you for making this video. I have no qualms with wireless shifting. I will have to get used to charging the battery but given that it can go 20 hours which is probably like 10-15 rides before needing a recharge, I don't think it will be an issue. Can't wait to try that Genie shock. Enduro bump absorption with Stumpjumper pop? Sounds ideal.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před měsícem +1

      You’re welcome and enjoy your new rig!😊 as for the ttype battery keep an eye on it it goes faster than that

  • @solobellimino2356
    @solobellimino2356 Před 2 měsíci +10

    Lost me at wireless drivetrain. Only.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      Is that a trend? We will see...😏

    • @johnnnewmex
      @johnnnewmex Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yes. Even if Shimano releases something, I will still be opting for mechanical XTR or XT for many years.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@johnnnewmex Hope they continue to make them

  • @The.JZA.
    @The.JZA. Před měsícem +2

    The EXT Aria isn't quite the same as the Genie. The Aria has two separate positive spring chambers, each with its own valve so you can adjust the pressure in each individually. This allows you to have a sensitive initial/mid stroke while having the ramp up and bottom out resistance at the end stroke. This is similar so I can see why you compared it. The Genie is just one very large air chamber that is split into two sections (the inner air sleeve and the outer air sleeve). Both chambers are pressurised from one valve so setup is easy and they operate together until you reach 70% of travel at which point the outer sleeve is cut off from the system which reduces the overall volume of the air spring and causes an increase in spring rate for the last 30% of travel. Arguably the EXT Aria is a better system (just looking at the specs, I have not ridden either shock) but the Genie will be a lot easier for the average joe to set up. And then if you need to tune the air spring you can use the volume spacers to adjust the way it feels. I kinda wish the air can was a screw off type instead of needing to remove the circlip and then pull the can off forcefully. If it was a screw off type, it would be easier to adjust. So yeah, similar but different. The EXT Aria is also a very expensive shock so not really in the same market.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před měsícem +1

      Great details thanks. I said that the idea is not me the implementation is. And the fact that they use a standard FOX damper simplifies it and keeps the cost down

  • @wallyedmonds8199
    @wallyedmonds8199 Před 2 měsíci +1

    🤯 I want that , love bike Zone too 😏

  • @Porkfryedbrice
    @Porkfryedbrice Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thank you , very helpful comparison/review

  • @DaBinChe
    @DaBinChe Před 2 měsíci +5

    electric shifting for Ebikes only, no electronics in acoustic bikes!

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@DaBinChe well not according to Specialized…

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz Před 2 měsíci +3

    Making it wireless only is not great, plus I think reach adjust headsets are way more useful than angle. Otherwise a pretty bike as expected from Specialized.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Pretty it is, I can attest to that. Feels premium

    • @The.JZA.
      @The.JZA. Před měsícem +1

      You can adjust reach with the stem or by moving your seat forward/backward. I think head angle adjustment is great because it means you can set your bike up to be steep and nimble or slack and stable to suit your terrain or riding style. Like imagine you are going to a bike park so you set up your bike to be low and slack and then the next day you are going for a 50km ride with lots of pedalling, so you steepen the head angle, raise up the bottom bracket and firm up the rear shock with some volume spacers and you have an efficient pedaller with responsive steering. It's "one bike to rule all trails".

  • @XCRiders
    @XCRiders Před 2 měsíci +2

    Looks great and
    Lots of pounds.
    I need cable shifting this battery stuff is just getting out of control.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      @@XCRiders If they don’t see the future might want to shape it?

  • @kopter28
    @kopter28 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very interesting to see PNW dropper and remote as OEM equipment! PNW makes some amazing components so these are pieces you definitely don't have to upgrade.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      Couldn't agree more! I was surprised to see that.

    • @RichardWagenknecht
      @RichardWagenknecht Před 2 měsíci

      I like seeing this from specialized. I wish Trek would get the memo. You don't need to make your own accessories.

  • @ianhong4811
    @ianhong4811 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I don't think I will have a desire to replace my stumpy with this :-). Its heavier, nor cable shifting...Thats basically same weight as Stumpy Evo with less travel. I don't understand the reason of this new model.

  • @brianpeterson6872
    @brianpeterson6872 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I don't think that you will see a bike to necessarily fill a gap as far as the amount of travel, but I do think that we will see a new Status for a low priced, mechanical drive train, alloy option.. Look at the Chisel compared to the Epic Evo...

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      You could be right. There's a clearly defined void right now between EVO 8 and Stumpy.

  • @truls0206
    @truls0206 Před měsícem +1

    About the XS drivetrain, "10-52 cassette on HG driver body" Though the smallest cog that will fit HG driver body was 11 or am I missing something?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před měsícem

      You are missing the new design for the SX cassette for the HG freehub😉

    • @truls0206
      @truls0206 Před měsícem

      @@LoveMTB aha. Thank you. Have to take a look at how they did that👍

  • @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5
    @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Před 2 měsíci

    Tell me what the benefit of similar spec bike at 130 travel would be, I’m waiting…with same pivots, rear pivot and similar upper rocker arm it will pedal the same. I doubt it will be lower weight, maybe an alloy version makes sense though.

  • @waynelenderman1115
    @waynelenderman1115 Před 2 měsíci

    Need a comparison of the "15" vs an Stumpjumper EVO.

  • @TaoNony
    @TaoNony Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think that in the not too distant future we will have available an aluminum model compatible with mechanical transmission.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      That might be the case. But one has to wonder about weight, this is pushing 33 lbs already.

  • @artoutlawphoto
    @artoutlawphoto Před 2 měsíci +2

    What I don't understand about the new sram cassette is that now it's available in 10t on Shimano hg. And how is that freehyb body still produce. So basically we have 4 types of freehubs. What about cheap wheels do they offer upgrade from Shimano hg to microspline or xd? And why is xd still a think. At this point better buy the xdr (road version) especially now with gravel bikes so you can change cassettes. That sram xplr 10-44 it's a good option even for mtb, but only available in xdr. Shimano hg, microspline, xd, xdr, to many options. Hope it's not to long the comment. 🤭

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@artoutlawphoto all good 👍
      They can do that because cassette sits further out by about 2.5mm. Shimano should have done that first, not it’s patented to sram for the classic HG freehub

    • @artoutlawphoto
      @artoutlawphoto Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@LoveMTB i understand. But that means it's only and will only be compatible with t-type, otherwise cassette will touch the hanger

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@artoutlawphoto that is correct, same thing will happen if you try your install the XD driver ttype cassette with a hanger

  • @trentvlak
    @trentvlak Před 2 měsíci

    No wireless is odd but we all have drills. Otherwise I like all the minor frame features. What did they save by eliminating cabled derailleurs? There's still ports in the head tube. They saved four holes.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      There's no more ports, I show in the vid the new vs old head tube 😉
      And they did not say anything about why...

    • @trentvlak
      @trentvlak Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@LoveMTB I mean, they saved a little on the size of the ports, not a big deal. Seems like a corporatist decision. I've drilled my fair share of carbon frames with no down side.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@trentvlak frame only is 4700 cad + tax I would hesitate a second 😎

  • @Nomad-MTB
    @Nomad-MTB Před měsícem +1

    Would you go 150 or 160 on the fork ?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před měsícem

      160 is just for the mullet setups

  • @adrienlevel
    @adrienlevel Před měsícem +1

    Hello. Nowadays, would your advice Sram GX or Shimano SLX pour mechanical gearing?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před měsícem +1

      @@adrienlevel I would go Shimano SLX every time 😉

  • @mudkayak6305
    @mudkayak6305 Před 2 měsíci +2

    To alienate a major market of mech users to me doesnt seem like the wisest of moves especially when putting cable routing support really does not add much in the way of design and/or production costs. I love electronic shifting but really dont like being forced to using it only. I actually prefer to keep electronics off of my pedal only bikes.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +2

      I agree about forcing us on electronics, hence my comment about the extra tube-in-tube that would have been trivial to implement.

    • @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5
      @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Před 2 měsíci

      I think they aren’t going to make that lower 130 ish bike, there is a market but this 145 bike is fine, why use a lower travel, they have the epic for that.

  • @RichardWagenknecht
    @RichardWagenknecht Před 2 měsíci +2

    Not crazy about a specialized only shock. Rest of it looks good though. SWAT box is definitely better.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      I like the lever to lock it up for sure.

    • @The.JZA.
      @The.JZA. Před měsícem

      The Genie shock is based on a Float X and only has 3 non-standard parts (if I remember correctly). They say it is no less serviceable than a standard Fox Float. I think it sounds like a great shock and can't wait to experience it for myself. Enduro bump absorption with Stumpjumper pop. Sounds perfect.

  • @tinshield
    @tinshield Před 2 měsíci +1

    Why not just have a cable hatch on top of the downtube like the Roubaix?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      Oh through the headset you mean? Cable tourism??? Still don[t have the connection between front and rear triagle

    • @tinshield
      @tinshield Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@LoveMTB no, if you look at the Roubaix road bike there’s a hatch at the top of the down tube that can be replaced by one with the holes if you’re cables. Instead of having individual holes in the carbon frame. Devinci does the same with its Hatchet model.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      @@tinshield I'll check it out!

  • @jasonpatrickdeleon4701
    @jasonpatrickdeleon4701 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can you review dartmoor rocbird enduro frame thanks
    Greetings from PH

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      @@jasonpatrickdeleon4701 im afraid I don’t have access to that bike. Cheers from 🇨🇦

  • @Lenser
    @Lenser Před 2 měsíci +1

    Why does Specialized get so much more attention than Giant?
    Giant released the new Trance X yet the Stumpjumper is getting much more attention.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +2

      I could not get my hands on one of those...Giant is not providing that key price/ performance differenciation like in the past, they are now expensive like everyone else.

  • @snat6299
    @snat6299 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Not as nice as the evo. I like the sidearm it looked different than the standard. I went to see this one and it was boring, it looks like the enduro with a fat shock. Id buy the old one if i was in the market.

  • @ilidiofaria
    @ilidiofaria Před 2 měsíci +1

    Why the bike is not mullet? The trend in their Levo is selling them mullet.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      S1 and S2 are, bigger sizes can be mullet. Also Ohlins version is mullet 145/160 from the getgo.

  • @THRENO82
    @THRENO82 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Wait for alloy😊

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yeah with all that added weight they can then justify the use of the DH oriented Maven brakes 😉

    • @THRENO82
      @THRENO82 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@LoveMTB ya definitely over kill

  • @silver_c1oud
    @silver_c1oud Před 2 měsíci +5

    I Loathe Electronics
    id rather buy a Scooter/Motor Cycle than a Bike with electronics

  • @catg9196
    @catg9196 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Looks like a Cannondale frame

  • @richardkovanda7578
    @richardkovanda7578 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Well still happy with my custom Mega for 3G rather than those overpriced bikes...

  • @PeterCPRail8748
    @PeterCPRail8748 Před 2 měsíci +1

    There is nothing new here other than a high volume can for the rear shock. Might as well went with a coil. Much better performance, not ripping consumers off.
    As for ripping consumers off, this is basically a carbon Status with a more balanced geo from its enduro, freeride brother. The stumpjumper used to be a entry way into more serious mountain biking. Now it's an overpriced over speced ripoff. Hopefully, the future aluminum versions will be much cheaper.
    Personally I rather save the money and grab a used Status 160 or 140. Get 80% of the performance and save 6 to 8 grand on top if it.
    This bike is a perfect example of what's wrong with the industry and why it's slowly dying.

  • @marksandoval5361
    @marksandoval5361 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Because the Stumpy 15 doesn't come with a mechanical drivetrain or a 160mm fork, I'm giving it a big thumbs down. Giving me a mechanical Eagle GX drivetrain and a 160mm Fox 36 fork. The new shock looks interesting.

    • @PeterCPRail8748
      @PeterCPRail8748 Před 2 měsíci

      Buy a used Status 160. 80 to 85% same bike, and performance, not carbon, not wireless, save yourself thousands of dollars. The stumpy 15 is basically 4 year old Status in carbon balanced out from purely downhill oriented riding. While they charge you premium asinine pricing for limited to no new RnD.
      This is a perfect example of why the industry is slowly dying. Saw this in paintball in the mid to late 2000s. That industry never fully recovered.
      If you're a smart consumer and value your money. Mtb will not be for you in the next 5 to 8 years. The average well speced bike is now averaging 5500 to 6000 US. With this one 9000 USD. These are bikes not cars or motorcycles.

    • @brian6speed
      @brian6speed Před 2 měsíci

      @@PeterCPRail8748better off buying sj evo than the status. can get sj evo frame for $1000.

  • @hollenjoe
    @hollenjoe Před 2 měsíci

    Jesus, cables!!!!!!!!!

  • @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5
    @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I don’t think there is a void, what’s the point of a 130 ish bike with same weight same stats, it just doesn’t make sense…you are far better off with this 145/160 bike for all around…if you want XC get the epic.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      You’re correct but they have a 10 lbs delta between the Epic and Stumpy, 120 to 145 with min 200 mm rotor…

    • @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5
      @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@LoveMTB well a 130 stumpy will probably be 30lbs or more guaranteed , hardly worth it

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      @@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 You could be right, time will tell.

    • @marksandoval5361
      @marksandoval5361 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Bike companies only need 2 Trailbikes. The 120/120mm travel Downcountry bike with the Spur being an excellent example. And the 140-150/160mm All-Mountain bike with the old Stumpy being an excellent example. All mountain bikes that fall in between that travel range are probably obsolete.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      @@marksandoval5361 This could be Spesh view on their lineup...

  • @VerthNeel
    @VerthNeel Před 2 měsíci +1

    I don't like it.

  • @silver_c1oud
    @silver_c1oud Před 26 dny +1

    I Hate Electronics
    remember how Cellphone works Back then?
    they started as replaceable batteries.
    fast forward to 2024 you'll replace the entire phone when the battery dies.
    same concept with Overrated Sram
    they start with replaceable batteries then after 10 to 20yrs they will introduce
    replace the entire mech.
    I Hate Sram

  • @Andy-co6pn
    @Andy-co6pn Před 2 měsíci +2

    Will an aluminum framed model be available that will take cables ?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Unfortunately I have no idea😞

    • @IIISentorIII
      @IIISentorIII Před 2 měsíci +3

      I saw an aluminum version with "cables" in one of the Specialized marketing videos.
      So my guess is probably yes.

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@IIISentorIII interesting to see what cable actuated drivetrain would be on that though…

  • @Andy-co6pn
    @Andy-co6pn Před 2 měsíci +1

    Interesting that the shock uses spring rate to prevent bottoming compared to Rockshox using a hydraulic bottom out damper . How will Fox control the rebound from the increased air spring rate ?

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci

      Dual positive chambe bigger can only working for the first 70% of suspention travel.

    • @Andy-co6pn
      @Andy-co6pn Před 2 měsíci +1

      @LoveMTB exactly for the last 30% the volume decreases therefore the spring rate increases. This will give a faster rebound over the last 30% travel when the suspension rebounds

    • @LoveMTB
      @LoveMTB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Andy-co6pn no expert on this but I trust Fox to figure that out 😉

    • @The.JZA.
      @The.JZA. Před měsícem +1

      TBH bro, all air springs increase in stiffness along the length of their travel and they all ramp up at the end. So by your logic, all air springs suffer from this problem. Has it been a problem in the past? No. You tune your rebound damping to what feels good for you. You can either tune it for small bump performance or large impact performance but not really both unless you have a high and low speed rebound adjuster. So yeah, it's no more of an issue than any other air shock.