Michael Jordan on his greatest rivalries with Dominique Wilkins and Joe Dumars (1991)
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- Legend Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls talks about his greatest rivals in the NBA. Among others, Dominique Wilkins for the way he and Nique brought the best offensive, one-upmanship and showmanship out of each other, and Joe Dumars for how hard they played each other defensively.
I own no rights to this clip. It was taken from the 1991 video 'Michael Jordan's Playground'. As a big fan of Dominique Wilkins (and Joe Dumars, for that matter) I recalled the clip, had a look for it but couldn't find it, so once I found it on 'Playground' I thought I'd do my bit and get it on CZcams.
Dumars comments were the best "Its not fun and games anymore, its war" and "if you make one mistake, there's no question, you're burned already"
Jordan and Dominique loved playing against each other. Those games were always a joy to watch.
Shootouts
As a middle-schooler in L.A., tuning in to WGN to watch Chicago come to play my Hawks and 'Nique was pure excitement. What an amazing rivalry and mutual respect.
Michael Jordan playground. I used to wake up everyday and through this in my VCR when I was little.
Me too man! Id come home from school, eat a bowl of cereal and watch Come Fly With Me and Playground, then go to the courts and play for five or more hours till it got too dark to see.
Melchior AO you just took me back to some great times! 🙏🏽 thank you!
Same
Late 70s to early 90s was the NBA at its best.
After Jordan final title and the NBA is softs ince
Early 80s to early 2000s. The 70s was the dark era of the NBA, and it was all downhill after the Malice at the Palace.
1984-2007 the best era of the NBA. I only have seen highlights of the 70s and it wasnt good.
@@jp3813They had pistol, that was cool
that second last dunk next to his head as he flies past the rim is a thing of beauty
Terrific tribute and respect for Dumars by the Jordan. What else to say?
There's probably a lot of truth and sincerity in his assessment of his battles with Joe Dumars. After all, Jordan's greatest rivalries were with the Pistons and he was almost always pitted against the Pistons "shutdown man" Dumars.
But I also think that Dumars is the only guy in the Bad Boys lineup who he could allow himself to pay homage to (maybe other than Rodman, who after this interview became his Bulls teammate). Dumars was one of the only Piston players who didn't walk out at the conclusion of the 1992 finals loss to the Bulls. Dumars was also well-known for being the hardworking, defensive yet non-trash talking or overly abusive Bad Boys member. I don't think you'll find many (if any) tributes of Isaiah Thomas by Jordan and Thomas was arguably a better point guard than Magic (therefore the best point guard in the NBA) in the late 80s and early 90s.
Farnhamification I don't recall such a childish, immature act as that (Det leaving the floor) one. Isiah, though reat, was a cheap shot artis and punk. More than Jordan was glad he was omitted from the dream team.
Jordan talked a lot of trash and belittled his opponents. But there's one guy that he wouldn't do that, and it was Dumars. He knew that Dumars would show up.
MikeBrownLegend I can believe it. Bill Russell used to say he would trash talk opposing shooters in his day. But he said "you don't do that with a Jerry West or Oscar Robertson." Same respect.
@@MikeBrownLegend nope. Dumars was just too much of a sportsman to talk trash to. Just like Clyde, MJ haven't talked trash against Clyde. If you thought it's because he's adamant because it will woke them up then why would MJ trash talk against Kobe or Chuck? 🤣
Dominique vs Jordan ... Dare I say underrated.
Those were the iconic days of the NBA. The Human Highlight Reel vs Air Jordan
Great vid. NBA hasnt been the same since
To hear Isaiah Thomas of all people compliment Dominique for "not trying to hurt each other" vs Jordan is ironic af.
Isiah*
All these great players were just fueling MICHEAL'S FIRE,HIS PASSION,HELPING DEVELOP HIS KILLER INSTINCTS,IT WAS JUST A GAME FOR EVERYBODY ELSE,BUT IT WAS MORE THAN JUST A GAME FOR MICHEAL..HE WAS REWRITING HISTORY..
Dominique and Michael are two great competitor's from the slam dunk competition to regular season battles. they always have a back and forth at each other since they been in the league together. honestly I think nique is a more creative dunker. Mike is a better player. they both have won scoring titles. just a good fun serious rivalry.
Sean R Nique was a more powerful dunker, but more creative is questionable
If they played on the same team, they would have been unbelievable.
Dominique was a warrior. Fought like hell every night.
i love the way isiah tells dem stories, funny guy.
He sucks
Talks like hes hooked on phonics lol. But the excitement and passion in their voices was a joy
Nique vs Jordan was the greatest show on earth
I watched this from the beginning to the end with a big smile on my face like of I was watching a family album...thanks for the upload.
If Dominique Wilkins didn't get a season ending injury in 1992 could you imagine Jordan and nique on the Olympic Dream team in Barcelona Spain Together in the backcourt it would been unstoppable
Nique didn't play guard he was a small foward. He was inconsistent defensively, they didn't need him. They wanted defense and shooting (Pippen & Bird)
@@philipstrotherjr8842 bird played zero defense LOL
@@marblegoby972 He was the shooter they wanted along with Chris Mullin. Pippen provided the Defense at SF.
Unfortunately the Dream Team was already selected in late September 1991, the ink was already dry while he was still healthy. Nique blew out his Achilles tendon at home vs Philadelphia in February 1992.
Rip chuck daily.
Back in the day even coachs were so competitive.
Chuck daily.
Pat riley
Doug collins
Phil jackson.
Kc jones.
Mike fratello.
....etc
*Daly
Now the players are the coaches too. Trash
Fratello, the Czar of the tellestrator!
Listen to the way MJ talks about Joe…
He admires him deeply
95% of the plays are for MJ, and the other 5% ends up in his hands anyway. LMAO
Joe Dumars was a wily and cerebral defender. He studied the tendencies of the opponents and used them for his advantage on the court. Against Jordan, Dumars would shadow him and directed him to other defenders. He rarely was able to beat Jordan one-on-one on the defense (but nobody could do that either against MJ), but he would try to push him to double or triple team. At the end, nobody could stop MJ, but Dumars was able to slow him just a bit.
garry payton played some great D on mj back in the day
+OneRTZero Dumars couldn't guard MJ. He scored 59 and 61 points on Dumars, that's why the Pistons adopted the Jordan Rules. Also Dumars took the hand check to the extreme. He would literally push MJ on the hip.
+NeoLegendX MJ average 31 points against Gary Payton. MJ averaged 30 points against the rest of the league.
+rex waller avg. 27 on 40%
+NeoLegendX Go to Basketball-Reference.com. Go to head-to-head. You can see the results of any head-to-head statistical total. MJ averaged 30.5ppg, shooting 47% against Payton for his career.. In the Finals MJ averaged just 27.3ppg on 42%. However Coached Karl doubled MJ for much of the series. Payton only played MJ straight up, sparingly. Plus, MJ admitted he was tired from the long trek to 70 wins. To show the world that Payton didn't stop him in the Finals, MJ scored 45 points on 68% shooting the next time they met.
It's crazy to me (and probably to MJ as well) that Dominique Wilkins isn't even on the 50 Greatest Players list. I would even put Dominique up there with Lebron. It's too bad he never sniffed at a title.
You are wrong... Wilkins made the 50 Greatest Players list.
+C.L. Taylor good to know that's true. Thanks for correcting me on that.
He didn't. That was one of the issues when the NBA came out with the lis in 1996.
He didn't make it Google it but MJ did say how you have a 50 greatest players list with no Dominique
I think I stopped watching the NBA for a long time after that ridiculous snub.
Bird said a top 50 list without Nique isn’t a top 50 list
The funkiest beat that I will always remember and that's the beat at 1:55 That's classic NBA entertainment video sound right there.
+Shawn Johnson word
There will only ever be one MICHAEL JORDAN!
Haven't watched this clip in 30 years and I noticed that before all the 1991 stuff where the Pistons walked off without shaking hands there was actually a mutual respect between both of them at least it seemed that way from the comments.
Fun fact: Jordan always wore his Tar Heels shorts underneath his Bulls shorts during every game of his career.
this was when basketball was beast. pure contact sport. if the refs nowadays ref these old jordan games. jordan would be shooting 200 freethrows a game and the cheerleaders would have to play because the starters and bench fouled out. lol and u see how jordan never cried to the ref about a hard foul. thatz gangsta. league full of whiners now. smh
Lmao. W
It's not the players fault, they don't want to foul out because they know the league is soft, also some take advantage of this and have developed the art of drawing fouls. I am 100% positive if Michael Jordan played today, he would take advantage of this and purposely draw fouls, because I think he would do anything to win.
Such bullshit the league is tougher to score in than it ever has been. Sure guys checked more back then, but defense has been revolutionized schematically and if you can't play 1v1 D you get called out all the time.
***** Schemes are way WAY better in NBA than you realize. Obviously it's less physical by design but coaches are have tried to circumvent that thru scheming.
Actually Jordan was the biggest crybaby in the NBA back then, always asking for the foul. Other players used to say you couldn't get too close to Jordan or they would instantly call a foul
Ultimate Jordan DVD footage 🙌
Some of the first basketball I ever saw. My pops got me the DVD in 2001 (I was 6), told me this guy was the greatest to ever do it. I'm still convinced.
Watching Michael Jordan look exhausted after the Pistons starting 5 was walking off the court at the end of this video was absolutely phenomenal. And of course I'm going to say this because I'm a Detroit Pistons fan. LOL!
at 2:40 Mike dunks all on Dominique. Been looking for that highlight for years!
Dumars isn't spoken of today as much as he should. An incredible defender. Probably the only nice guy of all the Detroit Bad Boys.
So good memory, fantastic, music and ambiance !!!
Jordan, fantástico! Inigualável; o melhor de todos os tempos!
If you could defend jordan, you could defend anything in the league, anything in the world!
People forget how undetermined it was for MJ to win 6 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. He had to go through his rivals
@1:15
Damn some of you posters are HELLA HARSH to Nique! Nique was a dominant scoring machine. One of the ultimate freak athletes in NBA history. He was also a very good rebounding SF. He peaked at 9 RPG one year. Even in today's NBA, HOW MANY SF's will get 25 PPG and 9 RPG in a season??? Not many at all!
I get that he wasn't any special passing and defense wise. But he was STILL a phenomenal player! Score hella points on pretty good efficiency. 46% for such a dominant scorer is a good clip. And he shot 81% from the line for his career as well.
Dominant alpha dog scoring is the MOST PREMIUM ASSET in hoops! Guys that have that ability DESERVE a certain amount of respect! Everybody can't be a MJ, Bron, Bird, or Kobe! Those guys combined great scoring and great all around ability in an epic package. That's very rare! Nique was a bonafide superstar for a long ass time!
There's a reason the league marketed MJ, Magic, Bird, Zeke, Chuck, and Nique so HARD! Guys who AREN'T LEGIT superstars don't get that type of attention! Very instrumental in helping the league grow. And u can't tell the story of Bird and MJ WITHOUT Nique in that story! Had flat out LEGENDARY DUELS against those icons. U gotta be a certain caliber of legend to EVEN BE seen as stiff competition to Bird and MJ! MJ HIMSELF said the one guy he gets up for THE MOST is Nique!!!!
Steph and Lebron would cry if they played against the Bad Boys.
Dude LeBron's not soft, hes only seen as soft because the league has made him soft, i think he would dominate like he always does and the reason i think that is because he is an unstoppable force of nature, he would drive like he always does and go to the line like he always does, the dude is the best finisher with contact I've ever seen and it would be no different. On top of that LeBron is one of the best passers in the league if they did send help he would pass out every single time and would pick apart their defence with his passing.
Chris lebron will never have training in 80s like he have today,jordan,wilkins,draxler will be even more powerfull vith nowdays training vs jordan,wilkins,draxler in 80s for example
@@CHRISISIIS that was a small i.q opinion right here😂😂
@@CHRISISIIS kobe killed lebron a lot of times always all day..forget that??😂😂
Idk about Curry man but lebron would definitely get destroyed
Pause at 3:03 for a good look at Spud Webb's vert ;)
+Rosko Lewis Holy crap!!!
+Rosko Lewis crazy - I remember this dude dunking in games at NC State - unheard of for anyone under 6 ft to dunk in games at that time.
Dominique actually had a higher vertical leap than Spud. Imagine that.
Isiah: "... they're not trying to hurt each other (that's our job) "
was thinking the same thing.
Jordan never flopped. Unlike some guy from Cleveland.
Verajao?
shidddd
Watch what Kevin johnson does to him
and most players in the league.
Curry is a bitch that needs help from Durant, Thompson to win and he still lost 2 finals
I love how Isaiah described the competition!
Unmatched !
Whats the song called when joe dumars is playing againt jordan?
“The Jordan rules”
AWESOME 🤩
When pure talent meets pure fundamental
2 Absolute LEGENDSZ♧ routine Well Practiced3
As competitive as Jordan was it's nice to hear his respect for someone as underrated as Dominique or Dumars
Joe Dumars and Dominique are not underrated! In their era they are part of the higher echelon of players, it's just that ignorance and biasness of the media and sports writer choose to focus on their favorites and in the end these guys get overlooked, underappreciated maybe but they are by no means underrated. YOu can't talk about the exciting era of the 80's without mentioning the Human Highlight that is Dominique, and you can't talk about Jordan's greatest defender without saying the words Joe Dumars, 2 time NBA champion and Finals MVP
great music 🙌👍🙃
It's crazy to imagine, but Jordan n the Bulls would of gotten to 8 Finals had it not been for those Goony Pistons in those late 80's ECF match-ups. The Pistons always stood in the way of historic squads like the Lakers, Celtics, n the Bulls. They were always a presence to be aware of.
Weber562 They were the proverbial monkey in the wrench to an extent. However, when they finally got over the hump and beat both the Celtics and the Lakers, those teams already had massacred each other for the most part of the decade and were simply worn out. Still, the Pistons deserve a lot of credit for winning those championship in arguably the most competitive era in the NBA.
They wouldn't have one six rings if it wasn't for the pistons the pistons made Jordan want to win 100x more after those three loses to the pistons
+Cameron Bruce pip
kukoc
harper
rodman
Bill w
Bill C
etc
Yup
That is the problem. You look at them as they were standing in the way of historic squads (which they were), but are you giving credit to them as being an historic squad themselves? Doesn't sound like it, and that is all to common. They may have been the best defensive team ever, and that is outside of any occasional goonish behavior. They would lock you down '88 - '90, no matter who you were.
Come Fly With Me and Michael Jordan’s Playground had so much impact on NBA basketball, I do t think people understand.
Especially MJ’s Playground lol.
Watching the Jordan films as a kid, all the stories had this kind of filter, as if every story was OK and not too bad. After The Last Dance, this clip is just different now.
what is the name of the background music
This the basketball I miss
ESSENCE.!!!.....#CLASSIC!!*.....TEARS OF JOY!!!!......#TRIUMPH!!!!*
I have this DVD! Haha and used to own the vhs
I don't know why but I love the way for the longest time he could not be the Pistons.
And he never wanted to be traded to them - like Kevin Durant - or get traded to another team with better players - like LeBron
great music
The Dumars Jordan battles were epic. Joe was the best at slowing MJ down a little
Epic, lol. Dumars averaged 12.
@@slappyslapstick4045 Joe Dumars was a defensive player. He was never an offensive guy. He was extremely quick in his lateral movement and was the only guard who could keep up with MJ defensively and actually did slow him down.
@@jeremytucker8853 Nonsense. MJ averaged 30 against Dumars just like he did everyone else.
Somehow I got the feeling that if MJ's peak was today he would have schooled Giannis and Lebron.
Am I nuts or does this have the best RPG boss battle music.
2:15, "don't look at me"
How is Dominique not on the 50 greatest? Michael's greatest rivals as shown in this video are not in the top 50 and Mike is number 1.
#$%@ that list for not having him on it. he never got the players around him in ATL to make a deep run in the playoffs and had to play in a ridiculously loaded eastern conference.
Its ridiculous that Nique wasnt on this list, the original 50, and he should have been on the Dream Team too.
@@paksta that too! WTF!? christian laetner makes the team but not Nique??? @#$% the NBA!!
@@BronzeLincolns81 I'll never know why they decided to take a college player. But even with him, Nique should have been ahead of Mullin or Pippen. And I love those guys.
@@paksta Duke and Christian Laetner was the best college player coming out at that time, winning and coaching wise, he had the perfect schematics to play with Chuck Daly and the dreamteam, on paper....
pat riley said Michael was really only 6'4.5", which is believable, since michael always looked 2 inches shorter than Dr. j when they stood next to each other. Seems like the nba likes to inflate the height of players? Magic looked 2 unches shorter than Larry Bird in every photo together.
+Triple MVP legend Could be Bird's hair lol
With Dr. J's fro and Birds crazy mullet.....yeah.
Soul music
hardest part about this is how f**king good a guy Dumars is. The other Pistons it's easy to hate on but Dumars was a great guy and player just can't hate him
2:40 mark...MJ Banged on Nique going baseline....GOT EEEEEEEM!
Stacy Golden, Sr not the only time he got Moses and Nique one time coming down the middle
charlie davis j
I would LOVE to know what bill laimbeers vert was. How that hack was ever the starting centre on a championship team is beyond me.
That hack was the original stretch 5 and has better numbers than guys like Bill Walton and Mark Eaton yet hes not a HOFer cause the league hates him which is a shame because he's definitely one of the greatest bigs of all time
He really did wear those UNC shorts under his Bulls uniform.
Michael Jordan’s Playground
Nem o quinteto Dumars, Saley, Thomas, Rodman e Laimbeer conseguia barrar o incrível Jordan. Jordan, o melhor de todos os tempos!
I like the song when Joe Dumars part comes up. The rest is good too though.
They editted the wars with Joe Dumars in a way that made Michael JORDAN look good though. Into the 1990 season the Pistons had beaten him and the Bulls 13 out of 18 or something I think. And they editted the wars with Dominique Wilkins in a way that made it look like Jordan outslammed him. It's all just a bit unrealistic.
Eh I think they did enough to make sure we knew how big a deal Nique and Dumars were. but at the end of the day the video tape was called Michael Jordans Playground so it had to make Jordan look good.
Wats the song called?
no idea. Probably just production music with no official name for those early 90s video tapes....Sadly.
+dagameplayer lame. Such an epic tune too :(
what dvd did this come from
Real players equal real good basketball
I don't know how some people compare lebooty to Jordan
Your TOUGHEST OPPONENT always brings out THE BEST IN YOU...
Not sure if it's just me but I think the game used to be more exciting back then.
No doubt!
It's not just you, I can barely watch a quarter of a game now.
Real Ball Playin There!!!!
That music is dope what is it
I thought Isiah and Jordan would have gotten along because they seem compliment each other in old interviews.
In the East....didn't play West teams enough but they had one team over there Mike couldn't beat.
What music is dis
Clearly, regardless of Isaiah talking in the media, it’s an unspoken situation that he will never admit to with his situation with MJ. It’s locker talk that’s not given to the media or fans...
This is just an excerp from one of the MJ documentaries, right? Wasn't it "Michael Jordan's playground"?
The greatest what if that never took place in the '80s NBA Michael Jordan vs Len Bias(RIP) they went at each other in college.Bias would have been the only person who could have kept Jordan from complete dominance in the '90s
Nicest guy in the nba to beat your ass before you knew it was to late.
When the tongue goes out. It means a problem lol.
Today's games is too soft, and back then, it was too rough, too many goons.
The Rick Mahorns and Bill Laimbeers had too much influence on the game
Never to rough. Thats how game was meant to be. Todays game has just become to soft. Centers were centers back than not guards like they are today playing euro ball. 7 footers arent supposed to be shooting 3s and running the point guard position like they do today. They supposed to be posting up and blocking shots. Playing defense and grabbing rebounds. Its ashame there are 3 forwards in todays game not 2 and a center. Small ball has ruined the game for real. Its nice how lakers went big this year and have opportunity to bring the game back to how it used to be. Detroit couldve done this a few years ago when they had Drummond and monroe but they choose to trade Monroe they couldve killed it with two 20 and 20 guys plus 5 blocks. But traded monroe who went on to play only 20 minutes a game cause of small ball and still avg double double dominance in 20 minutes imagine his numbers if he played 40 minutes a game while detroit did same on there end now drummond dominating in detroit playing the minutes again but imagine if they had both bringing back old school game but it had to take lakers to go there this year to make it happen cause of cource cant be done by detroit only lakers can pull that off.
This video was made before the Detroit and Chicago got hot and heavy. Before Jordan and the Bulls disliked Thomas.
Haha that wink at 6:22
A lot of times, Dom' outscored Jordan.
God, watch Spud at 3:03...flying through the air.
LEBRON WHO?
Sit down nigga
Lebron = an unskilled loser
@Jayce Ollie Yep of course Bron could have played in the 80s and 90s. I dont know what that guy is talking about. Lebron defeated the warriors in 2016 who had the best record of all time and almost beat them the year before if Kyrie and Love werent hurt. The refs gave all the advantages to GS when u cant touch Klay or Curry which gives them an advantage. Bron is #2 behind Jordan and any rel basketball fan knows that. Haters always want to bring up the Finals record. It simple and pure hating.
@Jayce Ollie Its just haters that dont want to give him credit and its haters here in Cleveland too even after he won us the championship and eastern conference titles that still bring up the decision.
@@rambothefuckingmachine4541 Unskilled are u kidding. Lebron is one of the most skilled players in basketball and a winner with the Cavs and Heat. your opinion is invalid.
back when I watched the NBA. Haven't watched since Stern turned into into a joke.
1985? ;)
I love Detroit haters #detroitvseverybody
the pistons were a bunch of bullies but they fueled the fire in Michael air Jordan
2:34
Larry Bird seemed to always have an upper hand on Michael Jordan. Other than that, Jordan dominated his superstar contemporaries.
+Johnathan Steele When your team is better, that is an advantage.
tangiers59 Even when the Celtics were older in the early 90's, Bird carried his team towards second rounds of the playoffs.
Johnathan Steele
Well. He had Reggie Lewis also. Don't act like Bird beat MJ by himself. It's a team game. MJ's numbers were better than Bird's overall, but Bird's teams were better. Celtics were better in the 80's than Chicago and it's no wonder why. Look at Chicago's team then. Even in the early 90's when Chicago were finally becoming legit contenders, Boston had a formidable team, albeit not as much as in the 80's due to age and injuries.
tangiers59 That's fair enough except for the aged Celtics against the young Bulls in the early 90's.
Johnathan Steele
Well they were an older team, but they did have Reggie Lewis who was averaging around 20 points a game his last two seasons there. They were a crafty veteran team but they had some youth as well.
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