Supposadly it was adopted to military in december 21 1927, i guess thats why they call it 27. But every manual calls it just DP, not even "DP variant of 1927" or something. UPD i've found a repair manual from 1939 that states it was adopted in 1926... So just call it DP and you won't be wrong.
@@_Matsimus_ IS-7 was not shown in the video... The heavy tank shown in video is T-10M (modernized version of the tank that started its development as IS-8, but after Stalin died, the project was renamed to T-10).
The fictional IS-7 you mean? A tank so bad it didn't make it into mass production. I'd like some of what they were smoking when they thought 8 machine guns on a tank is a good idea.
@@glandhound yes the IS-7 that in was so fictional it actually passes the acceptance trials and was accepted into service... The order for mass production never came mainly due to how massive logistical failure proved to be the IS-4 (with weight of 60t, it was too heavy for the vast majority of Soviet bridges, yet the IS-7 was even heavier at 68t), and high per unit cost, neither of which the Soviets were willing to put up with since they were no longer in war. If the war had still continued or the former allies started fighting against each other, they may have decided that they can deal with almost exactly the same weight as the German Tiger II... Had the order for mass production of the IS-7 been given, the two 7.62 mm MGs fixed to the hull sides and the two on the turret sides facing rearward would likely be dropped to cut the cost. You can see this "fictional" tank in the Kubinka tank museum near Moscow, Russia, along with Maus, Object 279 and other prototypes and mass produced tanks.
Fun fact: the KPV was such a threat that the US when designing the Bradley IFV decided that the minimum armor protection must be at LEAST against 14.5mm all around.
Obviously you have to decide against which threats you want to protect your vehicles. The 14.5mm heavy machine guns are on a lot of Russian vehicles thus using it as a minimum requirement is logic if you want your vehicles to be able to move around at the front.
@@TheMerchantGuild nah if he was NAFO he would have said that the bradley didint even need to have armor because soviet machine guns dont work or some bullshit like that Edit: i friking called it LOL
BTR 60`s had this as main gun, I ve shot that one. I ve also watched from the side as it made cheese of few inches of armour with its AP rounds. During the night time it most certainly fakked night sights at the time (1991 ) with is flamethrower like flame shooting out. It was sight to behold, and the noise , ahh....
Well... yeah. That even be a sole/double/quad mount for KPV, called "ZPU-1/2/4". Its pretty easy to confuse ZPU-2 with ZU-23-2 (pretty same, but use 23mm autocannon), and ZPU-4 with AZP-23 (quad cannons from SPAA "Shilka").
The only tank that had this gun as a coaxial is the T-10M heavy tank. The original T-10 had 12.7x108mm HMG, the T-10M upgraded to the 14.5mm. It made sense because the role of the T-10M is a vehicle that sits back and fires at long range at its targets. At such range rifle calibre machine guns were not much use, so HMGs were used. I have read that American pilots feared the 14.5mm more than most other weapons because it was small enough to hide easily so it was not usually spotted till it opened fire, and the very high speed of the rounds it fired made it very effective against all types of aircraft which are often made light weight. It has twice the muzzle energy of the 50 cal. The M2 Browning has a nice rate of fire and keeps on target rather well which makes it more effective than some older Soviet HMGs, but Kord fixes that and the 14.5mm is normally used on vehicles which also fixes that too. Europe made a 15mm HMG based on the 14.5mm but with a SLAP type round which could penetrated 40mm at 1,000m. The KPV doesn't have a SLAP or APFSDS round because it is a single feed belt fed weapon so all the different rounds it fires need to fire to the same point of aim otherwise they will go high or low.
A friend of mine once informally referred to the KPV and the MG-151 (in its ground and door mounted configurations) as SHMGs or Superheavy Machine Guns. A term they completely made up to describe machine guns that fire cartridges smaller than most traditional autocannons but bigger than traditional heavy machine gun cartridges. Honestly I like the ring to it, I think it fits rather well
@@dannyzero692 yes, but there is a limited number of combinations of 3 letters, so these acronyms get reused for different things a lot, which is very confusing...
@@ktiger1766 both 20x82mm and 14.5x114mm put similar amounts of energy on target (the 14.5 actually exceeds the 20mm slightly) and both were employed very similarly post-WW2
@@Gegengrupenfuhrurno,because smaller than 20mm has not effective explosive charge! During development of F16 is proved that 20mm is smalest caliber with enough explosive! 20mm or more are cannons if has high velocity,better range than infantry and leading ring cut in riflings because ammo projectil is too hard for cut in barell riflings (steel,iron and such). 20mm without that is superheavy machinegun and 14,5mm to 20mm are Super Heavy Machine Guns. Because 14,5mm has serious longer range,velocity,penetration, energy and carry more incediary,explosive,poison and other materials.Compared with .50 caliber or 12,7mm. .50 Browning Machine Gun (or .50BMG or 12,7x99mm NATO) has range 2000 yards or 1800meters. Soviet or Russian 12,7x108mm has range 2000m or 2 kilometers. 14,5x114mm has range 2300m.That is half kilometer more minimum! Using better newer ammo range is even longer.
Das deutsche Luftwaffen s MG 151 / 15 aus der Zeit des 2.Weltkriegs, war etwas größer im Kaliber mit 15 mm. Jedoch mit kürzerer Hülse von nur 92 mm. Länge.
They have developed air burst shells for their 23mm AA gun weapons. They have 23 x 152mm shells for the ZU-23 towed gun and the ZSU-23-4 SPAAG, but they also have the 23x115mm rounds for their aircraft guns as used in the MiG-21/23/31. It is a similar size to the 14.5 x 114mm round but uses a 23mm projectile that is quite heavy for its calibre. The 23 x 115mm round uses the same projectile as the 23 x 152mm AA gun round so in theory it could use the air burst rounds too. The only platforms that use the 23 x 115mm rounds are late model Mi-24s with the 23mm twin barrel chin turret. Older Il-76 transport planes also use the gun which has a low muzzle velocity of about 700m/s but a very high rate of fire of about 3,500rpm. For AA and anti armour use they are spoiled for choices and airburst round are becoming necessary due to the abundance of drones on the front line and elsewhere.
If you put the KPV into perspective it took at minimum at least 20 years before a non-tank combat vehicle had at least a measure of protection against something that almost every Soviet Combat Formation carried. It is terrifying to imagine as NATO, that when you had to attack a Soviet Position and you are not in a Bradley, a single KPV would be enough to turn your vehicle to swiss cheese.
I won't use this gun for trench because of the weight and complexity which you mentioned. But this gun is my most favorite one. Not only it has a large caliber, but also its muzzle velocity is very fast compared to other HMG making it easy to hit target and enabling high penetration
@@elendal you need deploy and maintain, maybe move position with this gun under muddy condition. It is obviously not easy. 12.7mm gun is enough for most of the target. This gun should be used in vehicle
When I was in the army, I had the opportunity to operate such a weapon at a range shooting for air and sea targets. They were two linked guns placed on the platform of a truck. I was a KUB operator myself, but since I was a child I have always been attracted to firearms. As children in the 1980s, my friends and I would go to the local military training ground to buy ammunition. Mainly blank cartridges, of which there were plenty, but you could also find other cool things there. In the place where sappers were blowing up the found second-war ammunition and weapons, I once found, among others, a German MG.151 with a caliber of 2 cm and two MG.17s.
@@NikolaosKorelisthe IAI (instant action incindiary) is actually quite similar to Raufoss. It's an incindiary round that bursts shortly after impact so against thin skin targets it will spray lots of incindiary fragments inside. As for slap it's largely unnecessary because you can already get through about 35-40mm of steel with the AP rounds and SLAP would probably not actually offer enough improvement in penetration to matter. Typically if a vehicle has more than 35mm of effective armor on it then it is likely going to be in excess of 100mm of RHA so even if the penetration was doubled it wouldn't really matter.
Imagine actually having the right setup for the right job. The only use case for KPV is AAA, something smaller will suppress better at the range where it matters and something bigger is more effective against hard targets. The KPV is always too big or too small to be effective.
Notes: KPV was the biggest and most powerful Heavy Caliber Machine Gun ever existed so far... Not until the China CS/LM16, which a 3-barrels, 14.5mm Rotary Machine Gun that fire somewhat about 2000 round/min. And also much more larger and heavier than single barrel KPV.
Bruce Willis's choice of "sniping gun" in The Jackal. Denel has 14.5mm as barrel option on their 20mm anti-materiel system. Deadly against SADF Ratels in Angola. 🍻👍🏻🇿🇦
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn It was a bit of a hot mess. It was an M2 Browning mocked up to look sorta like a KPV but it was called a "Polish ZSU-33 14.5mm".
It looks like KPV's operating mechanism is based on german Interwar machine guns: MG30, MG15, MG17, MG131. Short recoil operated, rotating bolt with rollers going on cam tracks on reciever and barrel extention. On KPV they shuffled the tracks and rollers position. Theres crap ton of locking lugs on the bolt of this thing! 8 raws with 6 or 7 lugs in each raw! So 48 to 56 locking lugs!
Belgium FN had tried to make a 15mm caliber heavy machine gun in 1980s, the BRG-15 heavy machine gun. The caliber is 15.5x106mm which it is bigger than the Russian 14.5x114 mm. It was planned to replace the good 'ol M2 Browning HMG, but the development was cancelled.
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FN did a 15.5mm HMG (FN BRG15) with dual feed belts m which was aimed at the same use cases as the KPV, Details are on Wiki, but other places as well. Sadly not picked up by anyone and the project was canceled.
I remember seeing somewhere in one of those russian tank documentaries, i believe it was the T-10 or the prototype to the T-64 it said that this machine gun has twice armor penetration and range as the 12.7 kord , think it was 50-60mm of penetration, thats almost as much penetration as a BMP2's 30mm AP belt for context.
Great video Matsimus, as always. You are a credit to your profession, it's always good to know and understand what one could be up against, keep up your good work.
The only problem with the KPV is that it’s too heavy to be effectively swivel mounted. Yeah you can mount the gun but a meaningful amount of ammo requires something with the support of a turret ring. Comparing it to the M2 is a bit unfair, since the KPV is basically 50% bigger in all dimensions. Regarding coax mounting, the M2 can be coax mounted as well, it’s just the American military doesn’t see it as necessary. The KPV’s niche as a APC armament is interesting to me because it seems to me that it’s the small size of Russian APCs and APC turrets that creates the need for the KPV not the other way around. If there was room for a 23mm or 30mm they would use it. Regarding range, IRL a KPV has little advantage over any other HMG beyond 2km. With solid rounds your odds of doing more than harassing fire are limited. Bracket a target with 23mm at 3,000m and you’ll likely get hits, do the same with 14mm or 50BMG and you’re hoping for luck. At that point the increased ammo of a 50BMG belt might be of more use than the mass of 14mm but it’s kind of academic. In direct fire past 2,000m your hoping and praying. The KPV’s most iconic use has been on Technicals IMO.
And then you currently have US DOD testing and fielding man portable .338 LMG's with no recoil, and able to reach out 5 kilometers away. It does not look like a very good offering especially when compared to other equivalents having more or less the same capabilities while being more portable like the M2.
@@smb.4900 my guy the 14,5mm is in another class from .338, its not a squad weapon its a crew or a mounted weapon system. The thing punches trough 32mm of RHA at 500m.
In the .50 class the Russians use the Kord in 12.7x108mm, which weights 25 kg only. The whooping 13 kg (a third!) lighter than the M2. Comparing the KPV with the M2 is like comparing an AK with a BB gun.
That would really make your eyes water. There is also the trade off issue IE more hitting power for less rounds carried. For defending my bunker/trench it would depend on line of site. A minimi in 5.56 is useful and very portable if LOS is say 40 meters. If you are on hard pan which usually gives you about 2999m LOS then the KPV would be more useful.
There WAS once a western effort to counter it. The FN-BRG-15 but sadly it got shelved in favor of the P-90. The closest you can do while having MORE power than the 14.5 is the 20mm. So many M113's, Deuce-and-a-halfs, Helicopters and plenty of other military machines fell victim to this thing. Swiss cheese is an understatement. Even the best CIVILIAN armored vehicles (i.e. Chevrolet Suburban) can't withstand it.
My experience with the Chevy Suburban, both light & heavy armor (steel door plates, resistant glass, Kevlar flooring and run-flats) both in Bosnia and Kosovo, did the job for area patrols - primarily on improved roads. None of us were under the illusion that it was a true "armored vehicle". Even our up-armored Hummers were considered to be not much more than a hardened car. I vividly recall the plink-plink of 7.62×39 a time or two, or three...
@@xfirehurican yeah those vehicles are only meant to keep you safe from opportunistic attacks by lightly armed militants or to survive light fragmentation from the errant frag grenade thrown in your general area. might as well be a tissue against the kind of weapons a proper military would level in your direction.
To be fair, there are a range of roughly similarly sized Western alternatives. There’s the Nexter (ex-GIAT) M621 20x102mm, the M230LF & AEI Venom 30x113mm and others. Essentially any remote mount that can take an M2HB can take a 20x102mm or 30x113mm. There’s also the FLW-200+ with its Rh.202 20x139mm. So in reality the BRG-15 just wasn’t different enough to justify it.
I wonder how drastically different the amount of ammo for the coax/commanders gun you can store/carry on hand or in a vehicle(T-72) if you bring the KPV vs DshK vs PKT. It seems like the US took a different approach now, seeing as we are trying to put the Apaches 30mm on everything. Instead of bridging the gap between 12.7mm & 20/25mm we just went with a medium velocity 30mm.
Знаете, забавно то, что сам пулемет не устарел до сих пор, устарел его патрон. У нас вообще проблемы с патронами, когда восхитительное, гениальное оружие использует устаревшие боеприпасы. Даже винтовка Драгунова по-прежнему была бы очаровательно хороша (в современном обвесе, разумеется), если бы не ее устаревший патрон :(
Ну, это обычная проблема (и преимущество) ствольного типа вооружений. Если устаревает ракета - нужно делать новую, и как правило весь комплекс под нее. Если устарела пушка/пулемёт - как правило устарел скорее снаряд/патрон, и если сделать что-то лучшее (без совсем уж инноваций, требующих переделки орудия, типа как 2А72, не может стрелять БОПСами) под тот же калибр - послужит ещё долго.
@@Sanchouzz. Сейчас у нас стали делать РСЗО с контейнерным заряжанием, вроде звучало слово - "бикалиберный". Может теперь сами системы будут жить намного дольше самих ракет, если одна система способна обеспечивать работу с разными ракетами.
A good comparison on german side would be MG-151/15. And just like MG-151/20, after the war soviet made a lower velocity 23mm autocannon using 14,5*114mm case as a base. Thankfully for soviet tankers, germans never came up with AT rifle that used their 15mm round... sadly for soviet tankers, T-26, BT-5/7 and T-60 weren't immune to already exististing german AT rifles:(
Honestly it still amazes me that the Vickers 6 ton saw as wide spread adoption as it did. (The T-26 was a Vickers 6 ton license built by the Soviets with a 45mm instead of 37mm gun and they upped the armor to 25mm) It's really remarkable that these things weren't considered outdated until around 1938 because things like the M2 browning could penetrate most tanks in the beginning of the war.
@@dominuslogik484 they weren't outdated in technological terms for a few more years then that, it's the engine and armor that failed them. I'll explain... Italians had several T-26 as trophies in Spain. Those tanks became a basis of italian medium and heavy tank projects. They also captured one BT-5, but apparently that thing vanished as it had no impact on italian tank development. Anyway, T-26 became basis of "temporary" M11/39 tank and mainline production M13/40, M14/41 and M15/42 medium tanks. The latter had "forked" into P75, which eventually ended up becoming P26/40 heavy tank in italian service. General layout, suspension and even MTU were still heavily T-26 derived and thus are one of the last Vickers 6 ton derivatives designed and put into service.
I beleave that western countrys have very good weapons and have done good longterm choices. One thing I find though is that the Caliber choices seem to match better for the Russian systems than the western ones. 5.45 seem to have better performance for the purpose than the 5.56, the 14.5 is large enough rather than the 12,7 and so on. The problem is that when one have picked a caliber. It will stay for a considerable amout of time. The 7.62 in Nato is in large based on the old performance of the 30.06. The moat influencal state with the largest inventory brought that in. Its not at all a good round. Wi would have been much better to go with some of the other calibers as the 6.5×55 or similar. The calibers are eather to heavy hitting or to light hiting for its purpose.
You can buy some for around 15-30k depends what version I suggest the handheld version which lets you shoulder it to fire like normal support gun but be able to mount on normal stands
The only bigger HMG I can think of is the FN BRG-15 chambered in 15x115mm. The only reason FN stopped development of it was to focus on developing the P90. The 14.5x114 has about 30,000 J of muzzle energy whereas the 15x115 has about 40,000 J.
Can you do a video on NATOs efforts to standardized ammunition and small arms accessorizing standards? They seem to have nailed it nicely on ammo standards but now they are studying an agreement to standardize accessory mounting systems and even looking at a powered accessory rail of all things.
the 14.5 is the donor case utilized by Ukraine on the Sniper round 12.7x114 in the Horizons Lord Rifle utilizing a Hornady A-Max 750gr .50 BMG projectile
I'd say this thing has no counterpart Even the M2 is counterpart to the Kord but it's not to this The KPV is walking that line between heavy machine gun and autocannon And ngl it's pretty badass
Larger than 13mm… Electric discharge… It’s a baby auto-cannon. 😆 It’s not a damned HMG. Regardless…damned mean weapon. I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of it. No doubt.
I would like to argue that the defining line between a heavy machinegun and an autocannon should be a diameter of greater than 15mm is an auto cannon. I don't know of anything under 20mm but greater than 15mm yet if there is I would imagine the characteristics of these weapons would be quite close to the 20mm and not 15mm and below
I like the French 20M621 by NEXTER firing 20 X 102 rounds and able to be installed in any 0.50 cal mount with its CP20A or CP20B bases (the difference being on the ammo box mounted on the gun's base or on the ground). The 20M621 weights 45.5Kg, is 1.45m long and fires 750 RPM : czcams.com/video/thG2k8PAWbM/video.html czcams.com/video/l-tJzTsRjVo/video.html
Too bad the BESA 15mm was never given an upgrade would've been in use today with the British and Canadian forces. Ps HALO sniper rifles use 14.5 APFSDS (Armor piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot) that's just over kill but given body armor we see...
Cool down, mates, there will not be any zombozapocalipses.....))))))) P.S. I remember in my service, when You grab an 14.5 it is like àn FragGrenade in Your hand😊
Well, i remember, when i take in my hands the RKG-3 (anti-tank hand grenade), i think "damn, if filler dont explode, it can be easily used as hammer...". RPG-40, is even bigger and heavier, tho😂
If you were to pick any machine gun to defend your trench or bunker… what would it be? Let me know!
ShKAS gun
The good old Maxim
M2
MG 3. It's basically the MG 42 but in 7.62x51mm NATO. Also, because I'm German.
Jimpy
2:39 Vasily Degtyaryov designed DP-27, DShK, PTRD, RPD.
Semyon Vladimirov designed KPV, 20mm aviation cannon ShVAK
mf got asked to make a machinegun after making an automatic cannon and just made another autocannon
So in Russia they say that the dp 28 is a dp27 is that true?
Supposadly it was adopted to military in december 21 1927, i guess thats why they call it 27. But every manual calls it just DP, not even "DP variant of 1927" or something.
UPD i've found a repair manual from 1939 that states it was adopted in 1926... So just call it DP and you won't be wrong.
It's also the iconic gun on top of the Soviet Heavy Tank IS-7's turret!
As shown in the video 😊❤
@@_Matsimus_ IS-7 was not shown in the video... The heavy tank shown in video is T-10M (modernized version of the tank that started its development as IS-8, but after Stalin died, the project was renamed to T-10).
@@Daddo22 technically correct the best kind of correct
The fictional IS-7 you mean? A tank so bad it didn't make it into mass production. I'd like some of what they were smoking when they thought 8 machine guns on a tank is a good idea.
@@glandhound yes the IS-7 that in was so fictional it actually passes the acceptance trials and was accepted into service... The order for mass production never came mainly due to how massive logistical failure proved to be the IS-4 (with weight of 60t, it was too heavy for the vast majority of Soviet bridges, yet the IS-7 was even heavier at 68t), and high per unit cost, neither of which the Soviets were willing to put up with since they were no longer in war. If the war had still continued or the former allies started fighting against each other, they may have decided that they can deal with almost exactly the same weight as the German Tiger II...
Had the order for mass production of the IS-7 been given, the two 7.62 mm MGs fixed to the hull sides and the two on the turret sides facing rearward would likely be dropped to cut the cost.
You can see this "fictional" tank in the Kubinka tank museum near Moscow, Russia, along with Maus, Object 279 and other prototypes and mass produced tanks.
2:09 When a gun is so massive and powerful that its "baby brother" is a 12.7x108mm heavy machine gun 😂
This.
Just, wow.
I wouldn't say it's little brother is the 12.7x108mm HMG because this is an anti-aircraft gun.
@@tylersmith3139 NSV/T, Kord and DSHK/M/L are all anti-aircraft guns.
The absolute definition of Heavy in HMG
It's not really a HMG though, it's an anti-aircraft gun like the ZPU.
What would happen if the barrel of the gun was inside the rear hole balloon knot, so to speak? And it sounded off while inside the canal?
Fun fact: the KPV was such a threat that the US when designing the Bradley IFV decided that the minimum armor protection must be at LEAST against 14.5mm all around.
Obviously you have to decide against which threats you want to protect your vehicles.
The 14.5mm heavy machine guns are on a lot of Russian vehicles thus using it as a minimum requirement is logic if you want your vehicles to be able to move around at the front.
@@HingerlAloisyes, that's... what he said...
@@HingerlAlois POV you gotta butt your point in because NAFO mindset
Oh.
@@TheMerchantGuild nah if he was NAFO he would have said that the bradley didint even need to have armor because soviet machine guns dont work or some bullshit like that
Edit: i friking called it LOL
This is great for home defense.
just as the founding fathers intended
actually this is a still easy to service weapon
For this beast, yours home must have the hard brick walls.
2 foot thick walls, at least in some places. These things can chew through a lot of stuff…
An advancing enemy will feel pain at 3 km.
BTR 60`s had this as main gun, I ve shot that one. I ve also watched from the side as it made cheese of few inches of armour with its AP rounds. During the night time it most certainly fakked night sights at the time (1991 ) with is flamethrower like flame shooting out. It was sight to behold, and the noise , ahh....
Let me guess, the target wasn't moving?
@@glandhound You got that right .
Concealed carry and home defense gun? Ok, I'll take 5! :D
nah, you need 8. 1 for every day of the week and an extra for bonding with your son
it's pretty hard to get ammunition for that 😂
@@ravenouself4181 Hm...don't have kids, still yeah...ok, 8 it is :D
Twice the muzzle energy of a 50 BMG
This and the Duskhka has been the bane of helicopters in Afghanistan from Mi-8s to Chinooks.
Well... yeah.
That even be a sole/double/quad mount for KPV, called "ZPU-1/2/4".
Its pretty easy to confuse ZPU-2 with ZU-23-2 (pretty same, but use 23mm autocannon), and ZPU-4 with AZP-23 (quad cannons from SPAA "Shilka").
Imagine this, rebarreled for 23x115mm.
The 23mm aircraft cannon cartridge used in the GSh-23-2 is basically a necked up 14.5x114mm KPV cartridge.
Wouldn't something that shoots 23x115 natively be better than imagining a smaller gun to shoot bigger ammo?
Vagners in Bahmut actually fired 30mm 2A42 using a garage-made mount. It required additional soldier (!) just to push against recoil.
ЗУ 23-2 есть такое творение.
The only tank that had this gun as a coaxial is the T-10M heavy tank. The original T-10 had 12.7x108mm HMG, the T-10M upgraded to the 14.5mm. It made sense because the role of the T-10M is a vehicle that sits back and fires at long range at its targets. At such range rifle calibre machine guns were not much use, so HMGs were used. I have read that American pilots feared the 14.5mm more than most other weapons because it was small enough to hide easily so it was not usually spotted till it opened fire, and the very high speed of the rounds it fired made it very effective against all types of aircraft which are often made light weight. It has twice the muzzle energy of the 50 cal. The M2 Browning has a nice rate of fire and keeps on target rather well which makes it more effective than some older Soviet HMGs, but Kord fixes that and the 14.5mm is normally used on vehicles which also fixes that too. Europe made a 15mm HMG based on the 14.5mm but with a SLAP type round which could penetrated 40mm at 1,000m. The KPV doesn't have a SLAP or APFSDS round because it is a single feed belt fed weapon so all the different rounds it fires need to fire to the same point of aim otherwise they will go high or low.
A friend of mine once informally referred to the KPV and the MG-151 (in its ground and door mounted configurations) as SHMGs or Superheavy Machine Guns. A term they completely made up to describe machine guns that fire cartridges smaller than most traditional autocannons but bigger than traditional heavy machine gun cartridges. Honestly I like the ring to it, I think it fits rather well
Nah, you see, an acronym has to have 3 letters for the US Army to adopt... They even have a Three Letter Acronym (TLA) for the Three Letter Acronym...
@@Daddo22 to be fair 3 letters are easier to remember than 4 letters
@@dannyzero692 yes, but there is a limited number of combinations of 3 letters, so these acronyms get reused for different things a lot, which is very confusing...
MG151 is the machine cannon not a heavy machine gun with HE rounds
@@ktiger1766 both 20x82mm and 14.5x114mm put similar amounts of energy on target (the 14.5 actually exceeds the 20mm slightly) and both were employed very similarly post-WW2
King of Heavy Machine Guns and last stop saloon before the Auto-Cannons.
Pretty close, the US BRG-15 was 15mm. I believe the general rule Is 15mm and over is autocannon. Less than 15 is MG.
@@GegengrupenfuhrurA cannon is at least 20 mm in caliber, so there's still a big jump even from the KPV
@@Gegengrupenfuhrur Thanks!
@@Gegengrupenfuhrurno,because smaller than 20mm has not effective explosive charge! During development of F16 is proved that 20mm is smalest caliber with enough explosive! 20mm or more are cannons if has high velocity,better range than infantry and leading ring cut in riflings because ammo projectil is too hard for cut in barell riflings (steel,iron and such). 20mm without that is superheavy machinegun and 14,5mm to 20mm are Super Heavy Machine Guns. Because 14,5mm has serious longer range,velocity,penetration, energy and carry more incediary,explosive,poison and other materials.Compared with .50 caliber or 12,7mm. .50 Browning Machine Gun (or .50BMG or 12,7x99mm NATO) has range 2000 yards or 1800meters. Soviet or Russian 12,7x108mm has range 2000m or 2 kilometers. 14,5x114mm has range 2300m.That is half kilometer more minimum! Using better newer ammo range is even longer.
Das deutsche Luftwaffen s MG 151 / 15 aus der Zeit des 2.Weltkriegs, war etwas größer im Kaliber mit 15 mm. Jedoch mit kürzerer Hülse von nur 92 mm. Länge.
Absolute beast is the correct description. Thank you for the video.
You're welcome!
Loading belts by banging on the ammo primer using your shoe was a method originated by Nikita Krushkev.
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They have developed air burst shells for their 23mm AA gun weapons. They have 23 x 152mm shells for the ZU-23 towed gun and the ZSU-23-4 SPAAG, but they also have the 23x115mm rounds for their aircraft guns as used in the MiG-21/23/31. It is a similar size to the 14.5 x 114mm round but uses a 23mm projectile that is quite heavy for its calibre. The 23 x 115mm round uses the same projectile as the 23 x 152mm AA gun round so in theory it could use the air burst rounds too. The only platforms that use the 23 x 115mm rounds are late model Mi-24s with the 23mm twin barrel chin turret. Older Il-76 transport planes also use the gun which has a low muzzle velocity of about 700m/s but a very high rate of fire of about 3,500rpm. For AA and anti armour use they are spoiled for choices and airburst round are becoming necessary due to the abundance of drones on the front line and elsewhere.
If you put the KPV into perspective it took at minimum at least 20 years before a non-tank combat vehicle had at least a measure of protection against something that almost every Soviet Combat Formation carried.
It is terrifying to imagine as NATO, that when you had to attack a Soviet Position and you are not in a Bradley, a single KPV would be enough to turn your vehicle to swiss cheese.
40mm RHA penetration at 500m holy shit
Chinese firm norinco is marketing apds rd for kpv .
It’s got 50% more muzzle energy than 50BMG. It’s in a different class of weapon IMO.
Many an Axis tank was knocked out with this round in Stalingrads. It's impressive what you can do at short ranges without shaped charges.
This part is bullshit, actually. Only at 50 meters, and straight hit.
Yeah dude it’s quite literally like an anti tank rifle caliber
I won't use this gun for trench because of the weight and complexity which you mentioned. But this gun is my most favorite one. Not only it has a large caliber, but also its muzzle velocity is very fast compared to other HMG making it easy to hit target and enabling high penetration
trench? You are king of a hill with this one.
@@elendal you need deploy and maintain, maybe move position with this gun under muddy condition. It is obviously not easy. 12.7mm gun is enough for most of the target. This gun should be used in vehicle
When I was in the army, I had the opportunity to operate such a weapon at a range shooting for air and sea targets. They were two linked guns placed on the platform of a truck. I was a KUB operator myself, but since I was a child I have always been attracted to firearms. As children in the 1980s, my friends and I would go to the local military training ground to buy ammunition. Mainly blank cartridges, of which there were plenty, but you could also find other cool things there. In the place where sappers were blowing up the found second-war ammunition and weapons, I once found, among others, a German MG.151 with a caliber of 2 cm and two MG.17s.
Imagine this thing firing some modern-style ammos (SLAP / APDSFS / Raufoss)
Nah raufoss is too expensive
Ather than that......
@@NikolaosKorelisthe IAI (instant action incindiary) is actually quite similar to Raufoss. It's an incindiary round that bursts shortly after impact so against thin skin targets it will spray lots of incindiary fragments inside.
As for slap it's largely unnecessary because you can already get through about 35-40mm of steel with the AP rounds and SLAP would probably not actually offer enough improvement in penetration to matter.
Typically if a vehicle has more than 35mm of effective armor on it then it is likely going to be in excess of 100mm of RHA so even if the penetration was doubled it wouldn't really matter.
China actually makes SLAP rounds for this gun, wiki says that the APIDS can penetrate 20mm of RHA at 60 degrees angle and 1km distance
apfsds wayy too expensive for a machine gun
Imagine actually having the right setup for the right job. The only use case for KPV is AAA, something smaller will suppress better at the range where it matters and something bigger is more effective against hard targets. The KPV is always too big or too small to be effective.
0:51 its PTRD. The PTRS is a giant SKS with "en bloc" clips like Garand.
My bad
Notes:
KPV was the biggest and most powerful Heavy Caliber Machine Gun ever existed so far...
Not until the China CS/LM16, which a 3-barrels, 14.5mm Rotary Machine Gun that fire somewhat about 2000 round/min. And also much more larger and heavier than single barrel KPV.
KPV 😎💪💪
In the 80's in Finland we had one or two BTR-60s firing blanks with their 14.5mm guns posing as enemy armor in combat exercises.
In Finland.
What vehicle were you operating at the time, because if its not a Tank or Bradley, your vehicle is probably dead.
Bruce Willis's choice of "sniping gun" in The Jackal.
Denel has 14.5mm as barrel option on their 20mm anti-materiel system.
Deadly against SADF Ratels in Angola.
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I thought in the movie he decided on 20mm? Been a while since I’ve seen it but I swear I remember it being 20mm firing “uranium” shells
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn It was a bit of a hot mess. It was an M2 Browning mocked up to look sorta like a KPV but it was called a "Polish ZSU-33 14.5mm".
@@DCTrivPolish...Just a copy from USSR
It looks like KPV's operating mechanism is based on german Interwar machine guns: MG30, MG15, MG17, MG131. Short recoil operated, rotating bolt with rollers going on cam tracks on reciever and barrel extention. On KPV they shuffled the tracks and rollers position.
Theres crap ton of locking lugs on the bolt of this thing! 8 raws with 6 or 7 lugs in each raw! So 48 to 56 locking lugs!
Given the power of the cartridge, I'd prefer to have even more lugs.
No matter how insane that thing is, what's far more nuts to me is the fact that the KS-23 is a higher caliber weapon than this.
Dude, this is great! Glad to see you getting back to this stuff....you know, since CZcams is sketchy AF about recommending your new stuff to me.
Ah yes, my most effective AA gun in war thunder
the 14.5 mm cartridge with the tungsten or ceramic composit core can penetrate most IFVs and APCs today
... and that's why Stryker has a 30 mm chain gun, why bother with 'most' when you can have 'all'?
Belgium FN had tried to make a 15mm caliber heavy machine gun in 1980s, the BRG-15 heavy machine gun. The caliber is 15.5x106mm which it is bigger than the Russian 14.5x114 mm. It was planned to replace the good 'ol M2 Browning HMG, but the development was cancelled.
Matsimus on a roll this week. back to back video uploads. What a time to be alive!
I had not got ANY video notification for his chanell, since russo ukrainian war...last 2 years.....
before that I would watch any of his videos 1st mi ite ot came out
Enjoy!
FN did a 15.5mm HMG (FN BRG15) with dual feed belts m which was aimed at the same use cases as the KPV, Details are on Wiki, but other places as well. Sadly not picked up by anyone and the project was canceled.
First Step to Bolters
I remember seeing somewhere in one of those russian tank documentaries, i believe it was the T-10 or the prototype to the T-64 it said that this machine gun has twice armor penetration and range as the 12.7 kord , think it was 50-60mm of penetration, thats almost as much penetration as a BMP2's 30mm AP belt for context.
12:28 Holly crap...that recoil spring is beefier that my car springs...
Ну вообще то именно возвратная пружина и убила конструктора Владимирова 😢😢😢. А так гляди можно было бы новые изобретения получить
The hard working beautiful machine!
I saw quite a few of these in twin and quad configurations, that were brought back as war trophies from Kuwait 1991.
Wow slaying with thw uploads. Thank you mat. Keep it coming!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Russian weapons are fucking terrifying.
Dag
Tunguska
BuK
Terminator
T-90M
Some just as terrifying to the user as the person on the wrong end but yeah you have to love them their really cool.
Особенно для нато
seems like a perfect property defense weapon.
Great video Matsimus, as always. You are a credit to your profession, it's always good to know and understand what one could be up against, keep up your good work.
Much appreciated!
The only problem with the KPV is that it’s too heavy to be effectively swivel mounted. Yeah you can mount the gun but a meaningful amount of ammo requires something with the support of a turret ring. Comparing it to the M2 is a bit unfair, since the KPV is basically 50% bigger in all dimensions.
Regarding coax mounting, the M2 can be coax mounted as well, it’s just the American military doesn’t see it as necessary.
The KPV’s niche as a APC armament is interesting to me because it seems to me that it’s the small size of Russian APCs and APC turrets that creates the need for the KPV not the other way around. If there was room for a 23mm or 30mm they would use it.
Regarding range, IRL a KPV has little advantage over any other HMG beyond 2km. With solid rounds your odds of doing more than harassing fire are limited. Bracket a target with 23mm at 3,000m and you’ll likely get hits, do the same with 14mm or 50BMG and you’re hoping for luck. At that point the increased ammo of a 50BMG belt might be of more use than the mass of 14mm but it’s kind of academic. In direct fire past 2,000m your hoping and praying.
The KPV’s most iconic use has been on Technicals IMO.
Yeah, the whole _Big Coax-Gun_ thing was usually quickly realized to be not that great in the prototypes by most.
Then there's the French.
And then you currently have US DOD testing and fielding man portable .338 LMG's with no recoil, and able to reach out 5 kilometers away. It does not look like a very good offering especially when compared to other equivalents having more or less the same capabilities while being more portable like the M2.
@@smb.4900 my guy the 14,5mm is in another class from .338, its not a squad weapon its a crew or a mounted weapon system. The thing punches trough 32mm of RHA at 500m.
In the .50 class the Russians use the Kord in 12.7x108mm, which weights 25 kg only. The whooping 13 kg (a third!) lighter than the M2.
Comparing the KPV with the M2 is like comparing an AK with a BB gun.
I need one to mount on my Tahoe!! I have one of these rounds, it is sick!! Still want one mounted on my Tahoe….
14.5mm snipers use IOR Valdada 40mm tube with 56mm objective lens. Massive optics and some options can do 60x magnification!
perfection
Woot woot Matsimus pumping out the videos
Big boy gun
That would really make your eyes water. There is also the trade off issue IE more hitting power for less rounds carried. For defending my bunker/trench it would depend on line of site. A minimi in 5.56 is useful and very portable if LOS is say 40 meters. If you are on hard pan which usually gives you about 2999m LOS then the KPV would be more useful.
Awesome content mate🤙
Love it.
There WAS once a western effort to counter it. The FN-BRG-15 but sadly it got shelved in favor of the P-90. The closest you can do while having MORE power than the 14.5 is the 20mm.
So many M113's, Deuce-and-a-halfs, Helicopters and plenty of other military machines fell victim to this thing. Swiss cheese is an understatement. Even the best CIVILIAN armored vehicles (i.e. Chevrolet Suburban) can't withstand it.
The Chevy suburban is not an armored vehicle, I think you should clarify a civilian vehicle that has been upgraded with an armor package.
My experience with the Chevy Suburban, both light & heavy armor (steel door plates, resistant glass, Kevlar flooring and run-flats) both in Bosnia and Kosovo, did the job for area patrols - primarily on improved roads. None of us were under the illusion that it was a true "armored vehicle". Even our up-armored Hummers were considered to be not much more than a hardened car. I vividly recall the plink-plink of 7.62×39 a time or two, or three...
@@xfirehurican yeah those vehicles are only meant to keep you safe from opportunistic attacks by lightly armed militants or to survive light fragmentation from the errant frag grenade thrown in your general area. might as well be a tissue against the kind of weapons a proper military would level in your direction.
To be fair, there are a range of roughly similarly sized Western alternatives. There’s the Nexter (ex-GIAT) M621 20x102mm, the M230LF & AEI Venom 30x113mm and others. Essentially any remote mount that can take an M2HB can take a 20x102mm or 30x113mm. There’s also the FLW-200+ with its Rh.202 20x139mm. So in reality the BRG-15 just wasn’t different enough to justify it.
@@edsutherland8266 I bet FN is regretting it now! Except you can't put spade grips on those.
Sounds a bit like WW2 German 15 mm cannon in Bf 109F.
Hey, I remember when these were the ZPU! I've been on the receiving end of one of those... unpleasant in a word.
Nice piece of Kit, Fit for purpose as anti material HMG! GR8 😃💥
I must have one! 😃
Krupnokalibêrnyj Pulêmôt Vladimirova.
14.5mm... When you have a phobia of the human figure and want to cure it.
you been putting out a lot more vids recently I love it
I wonder how drastically different the amount of ammo for the coax/commanders gun you can store/carry on hand or in a vehicle(T-72) if you bring the KPV vs DshK vs PKT.
It seems like the US took a different approach now, seeing as we are trying to put the Apaches 30mm on everything. Instead of bridging the gap between 12.7mm & 20/25mm we just went with a medium velocity 30mm.
The russian school of military devices like this machine gun is the best in the world, it's a fact!
Знаете, забавно то, что сам пулемет не устарел до сих пор, устарел его патрон. У нас вообще проблемы с патронами, когда восхитительное, гениальное оружие использует устаревшие боеприпасы. Даже винтовка Драгунова по-прежнему была бы очаровательно хороша (в современном обвесе, разумеется), если бы не ее устаревший патрон :(
Чем 14.5 устарел? До сих пор шьёт любую лёгкую технику и дома.
Чем устарел 7.62х54? Обычный винтовочный патрон, прямой аналог 7.62нато.
Ну, это обычная проблема (и преимущество) ствольного типа вооружений.
Если устаревает ракета - нужно делать новую, и как правило весь комплекс под нее.
Если устарела пушка/пулемёт - как правило устарел скорее снаряд/патрон, и если сделать что-то лучшее (без совсем уж инноваций, требующих переделки орудия, типа как 2А72, не может стрелять БОПСами) под тот же калибр - послужит ещё долго.
@@Sanchouzz. Сейчас у нас стали делать РСЗО с контейнерным заряжанием, вроде звучало слово - "бикалиберный". Может теперь сами системы будут жить намного дольше самих ракет, если одна система способна обеспечивать работу с разными ракетами.
A good comparison on german side would be MG-151/15. And just like MG-151/20, after the war soviet made a lower velocity 23mm autocannon using 14,5*114mm case as a base.
Thankfully for soviet tankers, germans never came up with AT rifle that used their 15mm round... sadly for soviet tankers, T-26, BT-5/7 and T-60 weren't immune to already exististing german AT rifles:(
Honestly it still amazes me that the Vickers 6 ton saw as wide spread adoption as it did. (The T-26 was a Vickers 6 ton license built by the Soviets with a 45mm instead of 37mm gun and they upped the armor to 25mm)
It's really remarkable that these things weren't considered outdated until around 1938 because things like the M2 browning could penetrate most tanks in the beginning of the war.
@@dominuslogik484 they weren't outdated in technological terms for a few more years then that, it's the engine and armor that failed them.
I'll explain...
Italians had several T-26 as trophies in Spain. Those tanks became a basis of italian medium and heavy tank projects. They also captured one BT-5, but apparently that thing vanished as it had no impact on italian tank development. Anyway, T-26 became basis of "temporary" M11/39 tank and mainline production M13/40, M14/41 and M15/42 medium tanks. The latter had "forked" into P75, which eventually ended up becoming P26/40 heavy tank in italian service. General layout, suspension and even MTU were still heavily T-26 derived and thus are one of the last Vickers 6 ton derivatives designed and put into service.
Agreed on the MG 151/15, nice comparison…
I beleave that western countrys have very good weapons and have done good longterm choices.
One thing I find though is that the Caliber choices seem to match better for the Russian systems than the western ones.
5.45 seem to have better performance for the purpose than the 5.56, the 14.5 is large enough rather than the 12,7 and so on. The problem is that when one have picked a caliber. It will stay for a considerable amout of time. The 7.62 in Nato is in large based on the old performance of the 30.06. The moat influencal state with the largest inventory brought that in. Its not at all a good round. Wi would have been much better to go with some of the other calibers as the 6.5×55 or similar.
The calibers are eather to heavy hitting or to light hiting for its purpose.
There's just something so badass about Russian equipment it's so divergent from western equipment I love the aesthetics and utilitarianism.
You can buy some for around 15-30k depends what version I suggest the handheld version which lets you shoulder it to fire like normal support gun but be able to mount on normal stands
You certainly don't want to be on the wrong end of this beast!
A powered, radar-guided dual mount would be a decent and fairly economical anti-drone weapon.
I was talking about this and doing a crap ton of research on this literally just last night
7:34 that tool looks a lot like the tool you use to adjust the height on a lifted Toyota Tacoma that has adjustable front struts.
The only bigger HMG I can think of is the FN BRG-15 chambered in 15x115mm. The only reason FN stopped development of it was to focus on developing the P90. The 14.5x114 has about 30,000 J of muzzle energy whereas the 15x115 has about 40,000 J.
I shudder at the idea of a minigun version of this.
Saw these used in quad mounts in Iraq... they are no joke. A phuckin hammer.
Maybe a good platform for anti-drone-warfare - with a newly developed round?
Could you do a video on the Neostrike 20mm and also make one on the differences between a cannon and heavy mg. Love your videos very unique content.
Just wow!
The Soviets make some W weapons (and vehicles).
the smallest to be considered a cannon was the german 15mm cannons mounted on the wings of the bf109 in ww2
Can you do a video on NATOs efforts to standardized ammunition and small arms accessorizing standards? They seem to have nailed it nicely on ammo standards but now they are studying an agreement to standardize accessory mounting systems and even looking at a powered accessory rail of all things.
14.5 is a scary round, would not want to be on the business end 😬
the 14.5 is the donor case utilized by Ukraine on the Sniper round 12.7x114 in the Horizons Lord Rifle utilizing a Hornady A-Max 750gr .50 BMG projectile
It has been a long time since I watched your videos
Always love to watch another Russian-made HMG video. :)
"She slaps", that's all there is to it
Its beats most 20mm canons since 14,5 is much faster but not much lighter, resisting in more energy😮
I'd say this thing has no counterpart
Even the M2 is counterpart to the Kord but it's not to this
The KPV is walking that line between heavy machine gun and autocannon
And ngl it's pretty badass
The round looks like a scaled up 5.45
Bro makes a fire showcase and though we didnt notice
Larger than 13mm…
Electric discharge…
It’s a baby auto-cannon.
😆
It’s not a damned HMG.
Regardless…damned mean weapon.
I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of it. No doubt.
I think this is the main weapon of BTR-70 and BTR-80, it has high rate of fire compare to 30mm BMP-2.
I would like to argue that the defining line between a heavy machinegun and an autocannon should be a diameter of greater than 15mm is an auto cannon.
I don't know of anything under 20mm but greater than 15mm yet if there is I would imagine the characteristics of these weapons would be quite close to the 20mm and not 15mm and below
I like the French 20M621 by NEXTER firing 20 X 102 rounds and able to be installed in any 0.50 cal mount with its CP20A or CP20B bases (the difference being on the ammo box mounted on the gun's base or on the ground).
The 20M621 weights 45.5Kg, is 1.45m long and fires 750 RPM :
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Too bad the BESA 15mm was never given an upgrade would've been in use today with the British and Canadian forces.
Ps HALO sniper rifles use 14.5 APFSDS (Armor piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot) that's just over kill but given body armor we see...
You need to consider another classic tuning option for Toyota - ZU-23-2 (ЗУ-23-2) 🙂
WOW!
The M230LF might be the next CIWS on Next gen NATO tanks. Thus it might be interesting: already in service on Apaches..
Cool down, mates, there will not be any zombozapocalipses.....)))))))
P.S.
I remember in my service, when You grab an 14.5 it is like àn FragGrenade in Your hand😊
Well, i remember, when i take in my hands the RKG-3 (anti-tank hand grenade), i think "damn, if filler dont explode, it can be easily used as hammer...".
RPG-40, is even bigger and heavier, tho😂
*"... features that were critical on the Eastern front..."*
Dude, it was introduced in *1949*