If Universalism is true, Jesus died for nothing
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- There is a growing trend of universalism-like thinking creeping into the church. The idea being that ALL will ultimately go to heaven because ALL are God’s children, regardless of whether or not they personally accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Of course, such an idea embraces a god that offers no justice and a savior that died needlessly. Melissa explains why in this video.
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Universalism does not diminish what Christ did but increases it.
It's like saying "since all the people in the burning building were rescued, why was the fire department called at all? It was all in vain."
She says "if people get into regardless of what they do, then Jesus died for nothing". But this isn't what Christian Universalists believe at all though. On christian Universalism, it is precisely because Jesus died for our sins that all will be saved. It also doesn't mean they don't believe in hell, but rather it is temporary and only acts as a reformation tool in order to bring the unrepentant into a loving relationship with God so they finally end up in heaven like everyone else.
NOTE: I am not a Universalist myself. I've just read the literature from Universalist theologians. I disagree with it but i was just properly stating what it is.
so we are according to them supposed to love god after he tortured us?
Then why is faith explicitly stated as a requirement for receiving the grace of God?
Universalism is false because it denies the requirement of faith. And faith is literally what determines who is saved, and who isn't.
That is literally the end of the matter.
The Bible is very clear, not by your own works are you saved. You receive it through faith.
Eternal life is only given to those who recieve the grace of God, and the grace of God is only received through faith in Christ. You CANNOT receive it any other way, because scripture gives no other instruction.
Faith is not possible when the non-believing are resurrected into judgement, because they will face God, and they will see everyone else in the kingdom of God, and then Jesus will tell them to depart from him into the lake of fire. All is revealed, they see what they missed, and now face the judgement.
They cannot have faith from this point. All is revealed to them. The opportunity for salvation has passed, and now the judgement.
The Bible makes ZERO mention of a third resurrection from the second death into eternal life.
The Bible makes it clear that NO ONE will be justified and enter into heaven without faith to receive the grace of God through JESUS's blood on the cross.
It does not mean you can pay the fine for a bit then get to heaven. It does not mean you can work your way into heaven in any way.
You can only be saved through Christ Jesus, and the grace of God to be received through Christ Jesus, is ONLY received through faith.
At the end of the day, you are saying that it doesn't matter what you believe, EVERYONE, muslim, hindu, atheist, ALL will get to heaven, only that these people have an extra stage to go through, but they don't need to trust in Christ to get to heaven at the end.
This *COMPLETELY* contradicts the Bible in the absolute fullest way.
Universalism is a very, very obvious lie, and I am astounded that people believe in it.
@@zackmac5917 i would say that calling someone who has an eternal torture chamber "all loving" is an obvious lie.
but i think 2 billion people believe it.
@@alspezial2747 And this is exactly why some people belive in this lie.
Because you do not accept accountability for sin. You do not accept how evil sin really is, or accept the full weight of judgement on evil which is God's righteous judgement, as terrifying as it may be. God is *holy* and perfectly righteous, and all sin against him is utterly evil.
You do not accept the profound compassion grace and mercy God has shown towards us in the cross?
Jesus already suffered and died and took the punishment for *our* sins, God himself, humbled himself, took on all the same, and died *for us,* and yet they reject him, and therefore God is not loving and is to blame for both their sin and rejection of God's sacrifice for them on their behalf to escape the coming wrath on all evil?
Your problem is you want to water down sin, because you have not understood in any way shape or form how *good* God is, and how *evil* sin is.
God's judgement of sin is a reflection of how perfectly holy and righteous he is, and how terribly evil sin is. God's judgment *is* terrifying. It *is* absolutely wholly powerful and destroying of all evil. You *do not* want to be on the receiving end of the full wrath of God. God has been clear about this. Because he will judge all evil will full force and absolutely *zero* mercy.
Above all, God's love and compassion and mercy and grace, and his judgement met on the cross, and is on full display the cross. God had to sacrifice his Son for us! That is the compassion, grace, love and mercy of God, when we did not deserve it, when we were in rebellion towards him in evil, and did not love him. He died for us to save us.
And yet you look at this and not recognise God's profound love for us?
You just brush off what Jesus did to save us from this wrath, and take no notice of how that is the most loving thing God could have done, and instead you say the judgement is too harsh for evil.
Instead of God not being loving, the truth is that you do not perceive how evil sin is, how good, righteous, and holy God is, nor do you perceive how loving and compassionate God is towards us by dying for us to save us.
The second death is the destruction of all evil. It is up for debate as to whether it is conscious torment or not. But what we do know, is it is destruction of evil and righteous punishment to bring justice to what evil has done.
Your sense of justice upon evil, is not the same as God's. Because we are not holy, or good, or righteous, or loving, like God is.
@@zackmac5917 is breaking the commandments god gave to moses a sin?
if so
do you really think that someone deserves to be tortured forever for cooking a goat in its mothers milk?
You actually haven't argued. You have basically whined about that everything Jesus did would be in vain, so it can't be true.
Exactly she made no real argument, just opinions.
@@trustenbaker8766 Can you provide an example? Do you disagree with her claims? I am curious. Thanks.
How narrow and self important to imagine this life is to be judged beyond. Just as we are all One, and with the Christian spirit of forgiveness in mind, so God and the universe will ensure all return to one. You can't separate us. Only in this world can we believe in separation - and look what it does to us.
@@gfujigo For one, her explanation of what universalism is is dead wrong. Jesus is the Savior of the world. That's biblical. (John 4:42; 1 John 4:14) I could easily argue that everything Christ did was in vain if He doesn't save the world. This video was annoying.
@@liborsionko we are separate beings. And separation is in scripture, in Christ's teachings. You sound almost like a new age spirituality teacher.
Might be the worst criticism of UR I've ever heard. It's already bad when its categorized as "progressive" or "new age", when in fact it was a common/majority view in the early church. Then goes on to say "there is no justice" when obviously that just begs the question and displays a lack of looking into what prominent universalists have said.
I agree, except for the claim that it was a common/majority view in the early church. Was it really? I don't think this is true. Source?
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
@@incredulouspasta3304 Origen was 250AD something and was a church father and proponent of universalism maybe you can start there
@@incredulouspasta3304
_over the first five hundred years of Christian history there are records of at least six theological schools: Four of these schools were Universalist (one each in Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa-Nisibis), one taught conditional immortality (in Ephesus), and the last taught eternal hell (in Carthage or Rome)_ - **New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1912)**
_The mass of men (Christians) say there is to be an end to punishment and to those who are punished._ -St. Basil the Great
_There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments._ -- Augustine (354-430 A.D.)
Patristic scholar Ilaria Ramelli has argued "indeed very many" (immo quam plurimi), plurimi implies "majority".
@@davidgatward4395 Well origen _died_ around 250, but one can go earlier, his predecessor clement of alexandria was also a universalist.
"Anyone who does not love does not know God,because God is love"
1 John 4:8
I really want to know who's the one making these thumbnails lol
I know right. It further pushes the concept of white Jesus
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
@@Lordpraisethe if Jesus wasn’t black, would you still accept that he died on the cross for your sins? Stop with the race.
@@Lordpraisethe Why do you care what color Jesus's skin is? He died to atone for my sins and yours.
Historically, He was a Jew. The Israelites did not intermarry much. They were specifically forbidden from marrying Canaanite women or having their daughters marry Canaanite men. There was some intermarriage with cushites and David's great grandmother was from Moab. Joseph was descended from David but Jesus was not Joseph's biological son. Mary had a "daughter of Aaron " as a close relative and the Levites only married Levites. By Law.
Jesus seems to have looked like everyone else around Him except that Isaiah suggests that He was ugly.
If there are only three rsces Jesus was white. Probably no darker than Italians or Greeks.
DNA studies say that there are no races except the human race.
If God really loved the world so much that he agreed to sacrifice his innocent and only son for the beautiful eyes of Christians, he should have done so from the start by sending the holy spirit to come to Eve and make her pregnant and not on Mary so that all the descendants of Adam and Eve knowing from the start that God has a son called Jesus and that he is the only way, the life, the truth and the door ...
What was the crime of those who were born and died in the time of Adam or in the time of Enoch or in the time of Noah or in the time of Elisha ... without knowing only the father has a son called Jesus and that he is the only way, the life, the truth and the door ... !!!?
Why the father intervened very late after more than 5,000 years of delay thinking of sending his only son to be beaten to death so that the descendants of Adam can be saved !!!?
Can someone please pray for me I'm going through doubts and I'm stuck in repetitive sin 😭
Thank you for your prayers ❤️
yer going through doubts b/c christianity is silly....and prayer does nothing, grow up you mong
🙏🏼Goes Out In JESUS CHRIST LORD of lords & KING of kings.
Praying for you! Run the race keep up the good fight!
You’re not stuck in sin. You’re choosing sin over God. You need to own up to that, repent and get right with God. There’s no excuse to keep sinning. Make a choice and do what you need to do to be rid of that sin. Your doubts will leave with your sin.
I prayed as soon as I saw your comment. God Bless you brother. If I may, I recommend you watch Christian channels like The beat by Allen Parr and Off the Kirb Ministries. They will help you, I used to struggle with the same things you did and now i'm doing better after I watched their channels. And of course, don't forget to pray to Jesus. People can help us but God helps the most. Pray to him when you're free. God Bless and Amen brother.
"God is love but Love is not God!" 👌
@@velkyn1 How did you come to that conclusion brother?
@@velkyn1 Absolutely not true, You need to bring Gods unchanging Holiness into it. I struggled as well until I understood what His Holiness means........If you realize what His Holiness means you will realize His love.....and how we actually dont deserve it..........But yet a way is given to be reconciled with Him.
Huh
That's becuz some folks love evil/death! Which of course is not of God! So God is indeed love but not all love is of God!!
Jesus loves you all very very much repent and believe and be saved from eternal punishment of sin amen, Jesus suffered for you
The most common excuse for the existence of sin & hell is that evil is an inevitable result of freewill, but this isn’t true-otherwise, is God not free? A being’s will always aligns with their nature. God’s nature is good > God’s will is good > God’s actions are good
So you see, if Adam was good by default, his freewill never could’ve led him to stray from God under any circumstances. Adam was created morally neutral, with no knowledge of good or evil. He could be swayed by reason while unburdened by conscience.
Here’s my biblical reasoning for universalism: If the New Earth/Heaven is real, then God is totally capable of creating an incorruptible place and incorruptible beings. There’s a reason he made us fallible: “For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.” Romans 11:32
God let us fall because anyone can love perfect people, “but God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8. Christ said the greatest act of love is self-sacrifice, but how can one express such a love if there is nothing to die for?
We fell so we could be redeemed, we were born into sin so we could be adopted into God’s family, to the praise of his glorious grace (Eph 1:5-6). The redemptive mission of Christ fully revealed God’s nature as a being of unconditional self-giving love.
According to Hosea 11:9 and 2 Samuel 24:14, humans have a greater capacity for ruthlessness than God-so, could YOU let someone suffer and rot in an inferno for eternity?
Really well-written and well-thought! That question at the end is very compelling.
Well said. 🎤 drop
Damn straight. You nailed it.
Universalist do not believe that everyone is saved "anyway", universalist believe that everyone is saved "God's way"! Get your facts straight before you try to be a critic because you clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Amen!! People are so quick to disregard anything that contradicts their views without genuinely trying to understand it.
Universalism deserves to be criticized for the cult that it is. Only those in Christ are the all in all. Everything outside Christ will be destroyed by fire in the end including all the people not in Christ. In the garden of Eden, God said "Where are you?" to Adam but don't you think this is a strange thing for God to say? God said this because when Adam sinned he was no longer part of God's sinless creation. He was no longer part of the "all in all" that creation was in that time. The same way, all who are not in Christ in the end will not be part of the all in all. Christ is the all in all and He is not part of anything corrupted by sin. The bible refers to unbelievers as children of darkness and of satan. They are not children of God. They cannot be both.
@@zealous1596 Who created Satan? Why do you think that is?
@@Nekrumorfiini1 God did. His name was Lucifer in the beginning and he had a high position at the throne of God. He lost it all when he became consumed by pride. Had that not happened, Lucifer would still be where he was when God made him. His actions came with consequences.
@@zealous1596 Lucifer isn't in the bible, the name is made up and the story is about a human king.
Like the late Rich Mullins said in his song, The Creed, "I did not make this. No, it is making me. It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man."
Jesus loves you all very very much repent and believe and be saved from eternal punishment of sin amen, Jesus suffered for you
I formed my own body out of eternal energy.
But I cannot explain how I did it.
This person doesn't know what Christian universalism is
They talk of God's richness in mercy, yet, in order to truly see the value of that, we must know what we are receiving mercy for and from.
Interesting how pretty much none of the replies to this comment are even remotely related to it.
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
If God really loved the world so much that he agreed to sacrifice his innocent and only son for the beautiful eyes of Christians, he should have done so from the start by sending the holy spirit to come to Eve and make her pregnant and not on Mary so that all the descendants of Adam and Eve knowing from the start that God has a son called Jesus and that he is the only way, the life, the truth and the door ...
What was the crime of those who were born and died in the time of Adam or in the time of Enoch or in the time of Noah or in the time of Elisha ... without knowing only the father has a son called Jesus and that he is the only way, the life, the truth and the door ... !!!?
Why the father intervened very late after more than 5,000 years of delay thinking of sending his only son to be beaten to death so that the descendants of Adam can be saved !!!?
@@TawheedPromoter
This is a true story:
Once upon a time there was a God, that of the Christians, who ordered Saul through Samuel to slaughter and mercilessly the women, the men, the old men, the children, the babies of Amalek and their domestic animals ... for crimes not committed by these innocent creatures but by their great-great-grand-grandparents over 400 years ago.
The one who loved the world so much that he sacrificed his only son said, “Go now, strike Amalek, and utterly consecrate all that belongs to him; thou shalt not spare him, and thou shalt kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. ”(1Samuel 15: 3).
And I wonder if it was not Jesus, God of love, who spoke to Samuel to order this human genocide !!!
The son and the father are one and one is in the other and the other is in one.
ALL EVIL IS IN THIS SECT OF CHRISTIANISM, WITH ITS BIBLE, THE ONLY SACRED BOOK THAT ORDERS THE MASSACRE OF FETUS, BABIES, CHILDREN, WOMEN, OLD PEOPLE ...
@@TawheedPromoter
the 50,700 people killed by God just because they looked in a box (1Samuel 6:19) ... many translators downplayed this number, because it was abnormal that God killed 50,700 men!
We do not know exactly which Jesus follow the Christian pretenders !!!
Paul said, “So FAITH comes from what we HEAR, and what we HEAR comes from“ THE WORD OF CHRIST ”. (Romans 10:17).
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, these simple three words: "I AM GOD"? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus utter with his own mouth, openly or in secret, the word “TRINITY”? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, that he is a person, his father is a person and the holy spirit is a person and the three constitute "GOD"? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, that he has TWO NATURES, a divine nature and a human nature? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, that he is God incarnate? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, that he is equal to God? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus speak with his own mouth, openly or in secret, of Adam or of his sin? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, that he is the word? Nowhere !
Where did Jesus say with his own mouth, openly or in secret, these simple words: “Worship me”? Nowhere !
Jesus said, "Teach them to observe whatever I HAVE PRESCRIBED TO YOU." (Matthew 28:20).
Where did Jesus give you all this !!!? Nowhere !
Jesus told true Christians, “If you love me, keep MY COMMANDMENTS. (John 14:15).
But the Christians who claim to be followers of Jesus are, in fact, following the COMMANDMENTS and WORDS of the men of the Church who invented them all these uselessness!!!
Next Up: If the fireman saves everyone he should have stayed home.
"No!!! He's not supposed to save everyone! Someone stop him!"
Be careful what entertainment you allow in your home. So many shows and movies these days have these new age messages and various agendas which stand in opposition to Christianity.
Many people just accept these messages as truth without giving them much thought.
Such an unwilling lack of enthusiasm to challenge contradictory worldviews and to seek after Truth.
Would it hurt to at least seek the evidence for the Resurrection and follow it's implications?
Many people also accept Christianity as truth without giving it much thought since they grew up surrounded by Christian propaganda.
@@itsJPhere That's definitely not me. Also, not many of the Christians I know.
And many if not most of the people in my social circle are either atheist or agnostic.
@@Mrjohnboy1965 You don't think a 7 year old could mistake his imagination for actual reality which then later in life drives his confirmation bias?
What made you think you should care about what the Bible says?
@@itsJPhere What made you think you shouldn't care what the Bible says?
You must have all the answers, and you must be completely happy and content with your life and your awesome wisdom which you must think is beyond anything God is or could be.
Although it probably sounds like it, I'm honestly not being sarcastic.
I'm guessing that's where someone must be to refuse God.
Universalism doesn’t negate the need for a savior,actually to the contrary.Universalism doesn’t change anything other then being lost for eternity without any hope of being saved.The wages of sin is death,we reap what we sow none of that changes,we must love God and neighbor.
According to your Holy Book - which I don't follow.
I follow my own conscience and moral code.
@@JamesRichardWiley Nothing wrong with that,we will be judged according to our conscience .
I hope the salary of whoever is making these thumbnails has already been reviewed
How do you mean?
@@ChannelOfChampions1977 the person who makes the thumbnails for these videos needs a raise
Indeed. Who makes these thumbnails?
Don't worry the church is a $$$ machine of course they're hooking up their entertainers.
I respect this person’s opinion but I’ve got to say, I think Christian Universalism is really misrepresented in this analysis
That’s an understatement.
If Universalism is true, Jesus died for everyone.
The fact of the matter is this. We are born from the spirit of God and as children of God (which is why Jesus says that you must be like children to enter the kingdom of heaven). And although we are born into darkness we eventually fall from Gods grace because of the sins we commit. Jesus then becomes our way back to God as we accept him into our lives and become one with him again and become more like him which brings us back into the original grace of God
So what exactly do you believe
These statements make these people seem that if they could press a button and everyone would repent, they wouldn’t press it. What would be the point? I am beyond words.
If cancer can be cured completely what’s the point?
Used to get your podcast on Podcast Addict, but haven't had one download in months. What's changed?
This is a very interesting topic and I think there is much misunderstanding about the kingdom of God (heaven or hell). First the thought that if all are saved, Jesus died for nothing, is false. Because of Adam, ALL were lost so Jesus didn't die for nothing because in Him all are saved. Jesus reversed what came upon mankind through Adam. Second we typically have a concept that when people are "saved", they go to heaven and live happily ever after and those who for whatever reason don't "choose" Christ, go to hell and are tortured for ever. The problem is that there is no place that is not in Christ or in the kingdom of God and there is plenty of room for repentance and change in the age to come. In fact scripture says that at some point EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess Jesus as Lord. In a picture of eternity in the book of Revelation we see the New Jerusalem with gates that never shut and with peoples and nations outside the city, including unbelievers, etc. And lastly the lake of fire and brimstone. The fire is a place of purification and the brimstone is a method of testing the purity. Here's a big surprise, we all will come through the lake of fire to be purified and the wood, hay and straw will be burned away and the gold, silver and precious stone will come through purified. God's work in our lives is not confined to this temporal life, it continues on forever and some will spend much more time in the fire than others. Some will submit themselves to the fire voluntarily others not so much but bottom line, Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost, and He succeeded. It is finished, like it or not, believe it or not. God is very very good.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord means that when Jesus come back to earth for the judgement day in all his glory,all human on earth will bow before him in tremble and confess that He is Lord.This does not means that they will be saved.They will not say it willingly,but they will not be able to reject it anymore.
All the things which u say is against bible.God is good,righteous,loving, merciful but at the same time wrathful towards sin,ultimate judge, vengeful and jealous God,who cannot see people living and commiting sin.He loves us so much that he send his only son to die for us in our place so that all those who believe in him will be saved.
@@jamesl.6026 You are free to believe that, many do. It saddens me when sincere Christian people have a very distorted view and understanding of their heavenly Father. Peace to you.
@@jamesl.6026 I want to add one more comment concerning your response about every knee bowing. People assume that this bowing will be forced, I don't. But actually from a legal scriptural point, which most people take when debating this issue, it doesn't make any difference. Scripture says that whoever confesses and believes will be saved. There is no criteria defining how a person comes to that belief and confession. It simply says that if the knee bows and the tongue confesses, salvation occurs. The biggest problem I see in the modern evangelical or reformed world is the perception of who God is. Think about this honestly; who or what does it sound like for a god to love those who love him and to pour wrath on those who don't love or submit to him? Who reward those who bow to him and torture and heap everlasting punishment on anyone who doesn't. To me that sounds like a description of the devil. We have interpreted scripture through that lens rather than through the lens of a loving Father who expressed Himself to us in His Son and whose desire (will) is for all to come to relationship with Him.
@Moses R. Actually if you look up fire and brimstone you will find that it is a purifying and also a testing of that purification. Plus the book of Revelation is a book of signs, it is not literal and it interprets itself in many places. The part about believers and unbelievers, dogs and sorcerers you reinforced with your comment. They are outside the city but they are still present outside the gates along with nations and peoples. Everyone may not believe or receive the blessing and benefit of Christs accomplishment in His death and resurrection in this current age even though it belongs to them. Jesus didn't save just those who believe in Him, He saved the entire cosmos. People don't get born again when they invite Jesus in, they were born again at the same time Jesus was, in His resurrection. We ALL died with Him and we ALL rose with Him. And eventually in this age or the age to come, every knee will bow. That is the wonder, grace, mercy and awesomeness of my Father. He chose us in Christ before creation and desires for ALL to come to Him and since He is all knowing and all powerful His will WILL be done. That my friend is GOOD NEWS. I know that many reject this truth in favor of a angry and punishing god but once a person sees the true nature and character of God, they will never unsee it. Just as in the first century with the Pharisees it is now with religious people. They have a need to be exclusive, self righteous, critical and judgmental and in the same way as the Pharisees become furious when they encounter the true God. If Jesus had waited until now to be born, He probably would be crucified by the evangelical religious community. We have been blinded but light is being shed across the entire world right now. Come on board and enjoy the journey.
@@bradharford6052 Support for your arguments. It saddens me that Christians can even consider being "happy ever after", while others are "suffering ever after". It's such a perverse and selfish idea.
I was literally praying for this a while ago and then up comes this video in my subscription feed.
Our God is a God of Justice after all.
I have family members embracing this form of Christianity and it is highly questionable in light of the evidence, the Theology and especially the concept of Justice.
Justice for all humanity was satisfied on the cross (Romans 5 / 1 John 2:2). If we all got the justice that we deserve then we would all die in our sins. But thank God that in Christ we have a new representative of Adam to stand in our place.
Praying and not praying gives the same results
God has a Divine Plan of His own already in play.
Your god of Justice out here giving kids cancer and collapsing condo buildings onto entire families. Might wanna check your boy
Do you even know what justice means? There is NO honest universalist that denies the judgment of God we just believe that judgment produces a change for the better and not some never-ending unredeemable pit of evil torture.
Justice is equal punishment, and even if you believe true justice would mean eternal punishment for all (an idea usually gotten from Romans: for the wages of sin is death), you could no longer deny that justice is judgement. And throughout all of scripture, we see the same message repeat again and again; mercy triumphs over judgement. We see this message BEFORE the cross. How much more then, does this extend to the rest of humanity? A different romans verse actually tells us!"Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."
And "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."
Judgement is justice, and judgement is triumphed over by mercy. Unless the words of Paul don’t matter to u, in which case, carry on!
Apologies but this is a complete misunderstanding of universalism. Universalism is true precisely because christ died! (1 John 2:2 / Romans 5 / 1 Timothy 4 / Colossians 1 / Philippians 2) .. Christian universalists have the most complete view of divine judgement - that it ultimately serves a purpose just that it is ultimately restorative, not retributive. This is what the new testament means when it symbolically talks about fire. It is the fire of God's consuming love, which is incredibly painful to the unbeliever / unrepentant. Read George MacDonald and Gregory of Nyssa as a starting point.
This woman has the heart of the older son in the Prodigal son. The understanding of Christian Universalism, gives Jesus Much more respect and reverence, as it Will truly become All people who Ever lived, Will bow down and Joyfully proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Then, He Will have Truly died for All ❤️
It bothers them to to think that God could be that powerful. They want a weak and degenerate God.
@@mattr.1887 I'm not sure that's their motive. I think it's more that either that's what they were taught or that they are "in" and everybody else is "out"...or maybe both
God says he knows us in the womb sounds like we are children of God to me
@Mrkleptonic we were created in his likeness, of course we are his children, if he just created us then yes.. we are his.
"God is love but love is not God." 🔥
God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. seems to say otherwise
Pure nonsense.
Thank you.
@@phantom1951, that scripture doesn't mean love is God. It simply means if you practice or live a life of love you are in conformity with God.
@@princeamoakwa4057 it says way more than that. It says the person dwells in God and God is within them
@@phantom1951, yes it says that but it is not saying that love is God. God is light but light is not God. Same logic. It is a metaphor being used. Let's not get carried away.
I don't see how an all loving or all good God would really support or create eternal conscious torment, because by its nature that is evil.
Isn't this criticism predicated on the notion if the 'penal substitution' theory of the resurrection. A theory that several issues and alternatives.
Thank God for tearing up the veil over the nations to see the truth
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
@@TawheedPromoter Pure BS. A dark and cruel story told to little children by a dirty old man.
You are AMAZING for that thumbnail... HAHA Mia: "Vinceeent..."
Oh yea...we happy. (Now someone read that passage from Ezekiel)
Nice job! Praise Lord Jesus Christ our Savior! Amen!
This is what I saw one time in a comment thread on CZcams not too long ago. One of them said that he watched some videos, reread some verses, and universalism made sense.
A great deal of reading and viewing material makes sense at the time.
Acts 5:30The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus Acts 2:32 God resurrected Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead,Acts 13:33
God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children, by resurrecting Jesus; just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’
You are a Jehovahs Witness and have been deceived by Charles Taze Russell and the Watchtower Organization. You’re here to deceive people with the same deception.
Jesus Christ is not and angel. He is the Son of God. He is Lord, Savior and Messiah. He is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit as God. You cannot be saved if you refuse to accept the testimony of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is “The Word that was God and the Word that became flesh” John 1. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father and is worshipped by the angels. Hebrews 1. Repent or be judged by the one you’ve rejected.
@@festushaggen2563 Stubborn
@@festushaggen2563 so your just here waiting to see if i post something to comment your apostate words? your doing the will of the father or all the opposite?. I'm not wasting my time with you, take care.
@Ephesians 5:8 I don’t care if you ever respond to me. What I said is a heads up for those you’re looking to deceive with your cult beliefs and another warning for you to repent.
You said you were done wasting time with me some time ago but you keep coming back. Just be done already. But as long as you’re going to come here to mislead people, I’ll help clue them in to who you and your friends really are since you won’t.
@@festushaggen2563 deceive people teaching the truth that’s saved people from judgment right you are absolutely right
I would highly recommend 'That All Shall Be Saved' by David Bentley Hart, the single best work I have read on this subject. Saint Gregory of Nyssa was an early church father, among many others who taught Universal Reconciliation. All will be saved by Jesus ultimately making the Good News the best news ever and Christ actually accomplishing what He came to do. He defeated death on the cross! "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" . Again, the book recommendation is highly recommended as a discussion here is likely unfruitful.
Yes,that's a great book as is "Love Wins" by Rob Bell and "The Inescapable Love Of God" by Thomas Talbot
If god is just, how could he torture people in hell forever? Really think about that.
@@JamesRichardWiley vengeance is just punishing someone for doing wrong. So in gods case, that wouldn’t be immoral or wrong of him to do.
The universe is not deterministic.its probabilistic so there is a possibility that people who believe in multiple gods could end up in heaven and people who worship one god could go to hell.
I have never heard this argument and I like it. You just blew my mind. Thanks for posting!
Follow Jesus Christ he loves us all repent of your sins amen 🙏🏾
I asked the question to three people already, "If all roads lead to God, then why did Jesus die that horrific death?". Well, still haven't gotten a solid answer, everyone just rabbit trails or dodges the question.
@@velkyn1 By saying that you’re blatantly denying history. Good luck upholding that opinion in the face of facts.
@@velkyn1 Paul said that if Jesus didn’t die and rise, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die- it’s all meaningless
@@velkyn1 hey you’re the anti theist who trolls Christians, how ya doin? We have ancient sources that say he did, sources that aren’t Christians, sources hostile even. Shall we say all ancients didn’t exist?
@@velkyn1 what meaning?
@@velkyn1 The book of Mark was written around 64 - 72 AD; this is within the same generation as Jesus and his peers. Which "ancient sources" that Christians use to defend there faith are you referring to?
Thank you! It's not just about morals or good deeds.
I think it is about morals and good deeds.
@@JamesRichardWiley That's part of it, but there are plenty of atheists with great morals that do good deeds but won't see heaven.
@@duncanbarnard1832 proof?
praise the Lord and God bless you
Imagine being so Evangelical you actually believe universalism is the “new age” belief.
Do you have any refutes to it?
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Try studying the history of the early church. Though I doubt you'll actually do that because evangelicals seem to be allergic to anything that would possibly go counter to their own forgone conclusions.
@@Jordan-hz1wr any proof?
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 I'll refer you to my last comment.
@@Jordan-hz1wr so no proof?
No wrath = no justice = no sin. Yep, that would mean Jesus died for nothing. Nullifies the cross altogether. How different is that from Satanism, when they say *"Do what thou will, that shall be the whole of the law."* ? It's just disguised as "love and light".
God's love cannot embrace that which His righteousness condemns.
God's love can't embrace those who refuse His love.
This is something the lost don't realize.
If anyone refuses God, it wouldn't make sense for God to force them to be with Him in this life or the next.
Nope, Jesus died so all the people could be cleansed from their sins, yes there will be rebels but that rebellion in the heart is part of the sin which will be cleansed through the death of Jesus
Whoever makes your thumbnail should get a raise
They want everyone to go to heaven and at the same time, people blame God for not stopping rapists and evil. If you remove the characteristic of the justice of God, you'll also have to picture all those unrepentant child rapists going into heaven with you. Heaven won't be heaven anymore, will it?
Gregory of Nyssa would disagree with this video for sure.
Today's pop-churchianity doesn't care about church history. They like to make stuff up and feel like they're right about everything. Everything they disagree with is "new age."
Whatever "Christ" had mentioned has to go true , many false prophets will araise in sheep clothing but would be wolves...and deceive....so we Christians should know our scriptures and interpretations, instead of following blindly....
How about those people who were innocent to his word? What can you say about it? Those people who were blinded by the wrong faith?
Okay, are we really incorporating "Pulp Fiction" in to the thumbnails now, Dr. Turek?
I have commented on these thumbnails for the past year (probably 3 so far) - but putting an image of the Lord's head on John Travolta from Pulp Fiction?
Where is the line?
There is only one way to Heaven. As Jesus said, He is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. Instead of complaining about that being too narrow, be thankful there’s a way at all.
“Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10:7-10
Amen
i like how you always comment on crossexamined's videos, whenever there is a new upload i always go down to look for your comments, God bless.
@Bethuel I. Thank you.
“The LORD make His face shine upon you, And be gracious to you; The LORD lift up His countenance upon you, And give you peace.” Numbers 6:25-26
Jesus was not talking as a body, the historical person of jesus, he was talking as the omnipresent God that is within all things
You are misrepresenting Christian universalists by implying that it's new age. It is not. It was a widely held belief in the early church and supported by a number of early church fathers. Please do your research before spreading misinformation.
Thanks for that info! I know there were 3 branches on christianity at the start. Universalism, Annihilationism, and the one that won all of the wars, the people who teach eternal conscious torment
@@phantom1951 the "hell" we are used to see in the media or bible are actually based upon dante's divine comedy, i theres a yt video about that
Universalism is misinformation. The bible makes distinctions between children of darkness and children of light. Children of satan and children of God. You cannot be both! Only those in Christ are children of God. Only those in Christ are part of the all in all. Everything outside Christ is dead and will be burned up in the end.
Great topic! Thanks
I'm not a universalist, and agree with the video, but the title is s false dichotomy. What if Christian universalists say that the ressurection is the catalyst for universal salvation? If Christ died for the whole world and satisfied the wrath of God in their behalf then the way is open. I don't fully understand Christus Victor so can't argue for it, but I defer to John 3:16 in terms of salvation.
And I defer to John 3:17 for the case for universal salvation. that THE WORLD might be saved.
@@jordvorenholt9176 and that's great. I agree that Jesus wants the world to be saved, but then in verses 18-21 he says: 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
I used to believe in Universalism, but I came to the same conclusion you did. I just couldn’t ignore the part about the narrow gate
Interesting that there are over 2.3 billion Christians in the world trying to make it through that narrow gate when the bible says only a few find it.
@@therealgospelofchrist6823 Good point.
You just don’t know how to read
@@therealgospelofchrist6823 calling yourself a Christian doesn’t mean anything. So many people just call themselves Christians who don’t walk with Christ.
@@timetravlin4450 That's true but that's also irrelevant to my point. My point is that the OP's comment presents a paradox if we link what he said to the dogmas of Christianity regarding salvation.
Universalism is true, it was revealed to me and I saw the light.
no, you saw your own ego.
Universalism all the way
@@MAP2023 elaborate what you mean by that.
No you were just high, lay off the pipe.
@@mt.2237 I was high on the love and mercy of God. If you would like to know more about what I learned ask me.
The speaker presents a pretty extreme scenario, one that I'm unsure how many people actually believe. I know in the religious circle I was raised there was the idea that Jesus sacrifice was necessary for Salvation, but belief or knowing about Jeusu was irrelevant. Sin's payment had been made, and repentance was the only thing necessary for us after that. This solved the dilemma of only Christians going to Heaven, and everyone else going to Hell, despite doing their best to please God.
Universal reconciliation does not rule out strong morals or judgement for sin. Many universalists believe that nonbelievers still go to hell, but that the punishment is corrective and temporary.
They also believe that Christ's sacrifice is what makes all of this possible in the first place. ie, since a REAL eternal hell is what we ALL still deserve.
Within the 1st minute I noticed I outstanding error. The hebrew people never believed in such a concept of going to heaven. That teaching is from Plato and ultimately from Egypt. The promise in the bible is not heaven, but a new restored earth.
I agree that the Bible doesn't teach universalism.
That being said, universalism doesn't imply a lack of wrath, judgement, or justice. There could still be a period of punishment. According to some universalist ideas, after people have done their time, everyone will _eventually_ enter heaven. Justice doesn't imply eternal punishments.
Nor does it imply that Jesus's sacrifice was in vain. This is bizarre claim. If the Israelites collectively sinned, a communal sin offering could be made. If one Israelite is unaware of this communal sin offering, and makes an individual sin offering, does that mean the communal sin offering for the rest of Israel was done in vain? No, of course not. Having multiple options doesn't mean any particular option becomes pointless.
Great use of the Israelite sacrifices I love when the bible comes together
The Bible does teach universalism:
John 3:17, Colossians 1:20, Acts 3:21. I could go on.
@@jordvorenholt9176 nice verses!
@@jordvorenholt9176 On the other hand, there are verses like Hebrews 6:4-6, Matthew 25:46. Overall, I think the balance is against universalism.
@@incredulouspasta3304 Not from what I see.
I don’t see it this way you guys, He died for every single sin not just ours the Bible says.
1 Timothy 4:10
New International Version
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 2:2
NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Love you! And God bless! Enjoy your Christmas :)
Where do we come from if we aren't children of God? Children of an uncaring, predetermined universe? God created us and Loves us. We are his children forever. There's only one gate to God and that is death.
"There is no justice."
Would you call a Buddhist who lived a good life but was never certain about God burning and suffering until the end of time alongside Sadam Hussein justice?
Exactly it’s not fair screw there Tyrant god
@@Johnathan1800 I don't deny God's right to punish. A parent has a right to send a kid to their room for misbehaving so if Hell exists for rehabilitation akin to purgatory I don't take issue or maybe if God is powerless to save someone (which I seriously doubt) He can blot them out but endless torture isn't justice and nobody learns anything from it other than God's a dick.
NGL these thumbnails are getting pretty disrespectful - none more so than this one.
Ya true
how?
You might want to make a distinction between Christian Universalism, which is nowhere near being "new" to the church and teaches none of what you just asserted, and New Age or Unitarian Universalism.
You may also want to dig a little further into why Paul, in the New Testament, makes a distinction between those who are "children" of God and those who can be called the "sons" of God (having received "the ADOPTION of sons) and how that relates to the teachings of Old Testament Prophets. I think you will find that "adoption" doesn't mean what you think it means and that ALL are, in fact, children of God, though NOT ALL are sons of God.
It would be unwise to reject a 100% cure for cancer on the grounds that it always works.
Jesus died for me, i know this to be true!
Terribly misrepresented. Intellectually dishonest.
Without having a Christian Universalist to debate this it is an empty accusation. Would she dare do a debate? That would be revealing!
I'd tune in....I think I could win a debate against her,Could you imagine David Benly Hart or Robin Parry or Rob Bell?
I was born a child of GOD I became officially His as a believer, Glory! This world is the devil’s playground with the enemy’s children. We must proclaim the Gospel as Father God’s adopted children. Act like the enemy’s children and you will be disciplined or called home, Glory!
Hebrews 12:6
“For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastens every son He receives.”
None of us were created by Satan
All God's children is who we all are.
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Spoken like a true cult leader. Nice 👍
This woman, deceived by the adversary yet again, does her best to diminish the victory of Christ.
When God saves us only then can we realy be able to obay
We are saved by putting our faith in Christ Jesus, apart from Him there is no salvation.
"every knee shall bow"
Does that mean all non-Christians are damned?
@Moses R. I believe so, yes. There are multiple Bible verses pointing to universal salvation/reconciliation.
@Moses R. What does it mean to "obey the son" ?
That is false
If determinism is true, heaven and hell are false.
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
@@TawheedPromoter I’m not Christian, I 100% agree with you about 1 Samuel 15:3, as for the Job part? I don’t agree with you, even though God has let Job suffer at the hands of the devil and the hands of the devil are in the hands of God, therefore God is making Job suffer, God does everything with good, clean intentions, meaning in the end it will be for good
Biblical universalism: All will be saved through Jesus Christ either in this life, or the next through purification fire to the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.
Unbiblical universalism: All will be saved unconditionally.
@Moses R. 20. And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
(Colossians, 1)
29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
(John, 1)
5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(Revelation, 21)
Thanks pastor,
I need Jesus every minute
Oh yes! ❤️
Thankfully Christian universalism brought me back to Christianity and to actually loving God. I honestly don't understand how people can "enjoy heaven" knowing that so many others will be suffering forever. The very idea is repulsive and contrary to love. If you want to know what's the most important factor in any theological understanding is that it be consistent with love first and foremost. The idea of taking the valley of Hinnom in Jesus's parables, calling it hell and making it infinite in time is just wrong, especially when this is not mentioned in neither acts of the apostles nor letters of Paul. You'd figure if this idea was so important, the apostles + Paul would be all over it. But they weren't.
And the idea that you need eternal hell in time or otherwise Jesus died for nothing is just illogical. These are not mutually exclusive. Jesus saves regardless in the fullness of time.
We will enjoy heaven because we'll be in the presence of God. If you reject limited atonement because you're worried about being worried in heaven about the salvation of others then you've missed the point entirely of being in heaven. The elect won't be sad at people being sent to hell, instead we'll be rejoicing at the justice of God being served on His enemies. If that repulses you then you have failed to grasp the holiness, majesty and justice of God.
The Scriptures make it clear in Revelation 14 that unbelievers will be "tormented in fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises FOREVER AND EVER."
Suffering in hell for a short time is the Catholic belief of purgatory which has no Scriptural basis. If a person is saved then Jesus takes away ALL their sins; if not saved then a person carries ALL their sins. If we could suffer temporarily for our sins before being welcomed in heaven then what was the point of God suffering and dying on the cross? What did He save us from if we can ultimately save ourselves by enduring our own punishment?
Romans 9:19-23 makes it perfectly clear that some people were created for honour and others for destruction. God is our Maker and He is holy. Who are we to tell Him that He is unfair in His choices? He will have mercy and compassion on whom He chooses and we are nothing to say otherwise.
@@emjay_mcri thanks for your thoughts. I have made up my mind and no amout of scriptural cherry picking can change that.
@@winnetou9706 Your pride gets in your way of accepting the truth.
@@Landis_Grant I might well be too proud. And I suppose it'll be granted to you to be the judge of that.
@@winnetou9706 I use my KJV Bible to discern heresy from truth. You are on a slippery slope to ascribe an heretical doctrine as the basis for your increase of love for God.
Great input thank you. Jesus 2lord
An eternal hell cannot logically exist-nor would God be worthy of adoration for creating a state of affairs in which His rational creation would be consigned to eternal perdition. Moreover, even the most depraved individual is not worthy of such sentencing. Most people have not thought through the logic of what an eternal hell would truly entail. One is ultimately committed to the notion that no matter what, a finite being who may have just been lost in life, not only will suffer eternal *conscious* torment-but is deserving of it; which is a morally atrocious conviction to hold. And further, to note, the Bible is not unambiguous in regards to an eternal hell-universalism does have a Biblical defense. Highly recommend reading David Bentley Hart’s book, “That All Shall Be Saved,” for further investigation into universal salvation.
I have a very deep concern about this intense debate on a subject that Jesus preached more about than anyone in the Bible. Jesus' words were not obscure about hell.
I do agree that I too have a problem with *"eternal punishing."* (That would be atrocious.) However, I don't have a problem with understanding what purpose an *"eternal punishment"* would serve by the hand of a God who is sovereign and is rightly obsessed with order. That being said...
Question 1: How much of eternity would it take for God to "buy" someone's love and worship?
Question 2: The phrase "second death" is mentioned 4 times in the book of Revelation... why gamble on a shred of doubt that eternal separation from God would be impossible?
This is a bit of a misleading take on universalism. Check out David Bentley Hart
He died for the Elect 🙏🏽✝️📖❤️
All the sins of all the elects
where is the Bible verse saying what you say?
The Gospel is to be preached to all ends of the world .
Nahh, he was crucified by sinners and for sinners
so what about people with general revelation that dont have access to special revelation? cant they go to heaven too, even though theyve never heard about jesus spesificaly?
im not new age but i remember frank talking about this before and im just curious as to how they line up.
It’s just that Christians refuse to believe there is any other way so according to their thoughts no, they won’t go to heaven because they haven’t accepted Jesus
truthfully however they will go to heaven because the way to heaven is found within oneself I.e general revelations, morals, faith, and acceptance of truthful knowledge
But this crosses out the cross because they got to heaven without Jesus, so therefore it’s denied according to the Christians and acceptance thereof makes Christianity obsolete as there would be more ways to God
"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)
God can get the gospel to anyone He wishes. God also has the freedom to apply the atonement of Jesus to them just like He did to the OT saints.
@@PringleDinglesonThe3rd whats your definition of heaven? mine is being in the presence of god for the rest of eternity.
@@will95515 Yes He can, through spreading the gospel… the idea Christians have about Jesus being universal is incorrect for most of the people that don’t know Jesus, believe that one is saved by faith and good deeds.
Scripture supports universal reconciliation, annihilation, and eternal conscious torment....you have to choose one, then explain the others away.
How can you say Jesus died in vain if he saves ALL instead of a small fraction?
Do you think it is just to punish Hitler to the same degree as an unbelieving Jew that was killed by Hitler?
Jesus Christ is The Truth The Way & The Life. Amen 🙏🏼 Period.
unfortunately, you misunderstand. You say that Universalism makes Christ's sacrifice useless. It is the very opposite. if anything, _infernalism_ (the believe in an eternal hell, something not preached in the gospel) pre-destinationism (the believe that people are elected to go to heaven/hell at birth, something also not preached in the gospel) and annihilationism downplay Christ's sacrifice more than anything. The very believe of Universalism is that Jesus' sacrifice was so great that he saved ALL people, not just those that believe in him.
the evidence for Universalism in the gospel is undeniable. The Bible says that all treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Jesus Christ. Apostle Paul preached about the riches of Christ (Colossians 2:3, Ephesians 3:8-9).
The riches of Christ are the scriptures which preach out the true Gospel of God’s only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the whole world. There are literally dozens and dozens of scriptures, which clearly speak of the universal reconciliation and salvation of all through Jesus Christ. here are just some:
John 12:32-33 (NIV)
32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23a
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order…
It is also important to note that everyone will be made alive in Christ in his own order, which is in God’s time and in accordance with God’s Plan of the Ages for the reconciliation of all things.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Those who believe in hell twist these scriptures to interpret that God will force unbelievers to worship Him in hell. A forced worship can never give glory to God.
The Bible is clear, abundantly clear, in both the Old and the New Testaments, that everyone without exception will confess the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim, giving glory to Father God.
Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
These are wonderful glorious prophetic scriptures. Just stop and think about them. When God’s wonderful Plan for the Reconciliation of All is fulfilled at the creation of the Eternal Kingdom of God of the New Heaven and the New Earth, every creature, all men and all angels, will worship giving honour and glory to God the Father and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, forever and ever.
*Jesus Christ will restore ALL things*
I rest my case.
This give me some hope!!
You typed, "Those who believe in hell twist these scriptures to interpret that God will force unbelievers to worship Him in hell. A forced worship can never give glory to God."
When did God ever demand this kind of worship?
If you believe that the ENTIRE word of God, the Holy Bible, is true, you would know that Jesus Himself preached more about hell than anyone else in the Bible.
That is a very important fact.
There are clear and undeniable reasons for the truth about hell to be in the scripture.
(1.) Jesus had to talk about hell because it is the fate that awaits all people apart from Him. Hence, the need to preach the gospel. Because of Adam’s sin, we’re all guilty and deserve God’s eternal punishment.
(2.) Contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place where God sends those who have been especially bad; it is the DEFAULT destination of all mankind! Why?... We all have sinned. (period) We need a rescuer or we stand condemned.
“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.“ (John 3:18)
(3.) So we’re left with two options: stay in our state of depravity and be eternally punished, or submit to the Savior and accept his gift of redemption. It's that simple. We still have to make a choice, an act of our own will, to receive the grace freely offered through Christ.
“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28)
I believe there is a hell... So... What scriptures are being twisted?
These are Christ’s own words!... Is this a fear tactic or a warning?... Is it wise to just ignore these words? I don't think so.
Please understand that hell is a place of permanent and FINAL punishment, not “punishing” as some people had always thought and do preach out of passion but exaggeration.
Remember that eternal separation from God is the “second death”; to cease to exist. (The “second death” is mentioned 4 times in the book of Revelation!)
Question: After the Great White Throne Judgment in the book of Revelation, Ch. 20, how could God demand worship from creatures who have been annihilated in a hell that has ceased to exist?
Finally, should our God spend an eternity trying to buy someone's love?... Never.
He has done quite enough and it is His sovereign right to gain a willing return on His most precious investment with or without us.
@@thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575 You typed, "Not all, but many universalist’s do believe in the fearful judgments of God, but we also believe they are corrective in nature as well. No one will go unpunished if needed and on the flip side of that, no one will go unsaved. The scriptures teach that God sent his son to save the world, they also teach that his plans never fail. It’s all about [trying] our best to harmonise “all” scriptures and not cherry-picking those that suite our given position."
I can see the aim of your analysis of the scriptures you chose. I can agree that all scripture is god-breathed or inspired of God, for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction - but with no additions, substitutions, or exaggerations.
My thoughts about your (4) concluding statements are;
(1.) The God "we" serve is sovereign over all "nature(s)." He made them and He should be the only one who decides on what can or cannot be "corrected." Surely, we shouldn't reference the divine nature according to our earthly and finite understanding.
(2.) Who's doing the "flipping" here?... I would find it much more rational to allow the creator to reason with creatures such as Satan and any other creatures who share his point of view. Christ knows His creation and will decide their outcomes. Romanticized opinions, special pleadings, and any attempts to downplay the "second death" (mentioned 4 times in Revelation) that Christ Himself had predicted is an apostasy. (Not good!) You, me, the heavens, and earth will crack and fade before any of His words go unfulfilled. Amen?
(3) True. The Lord Jesus gave us (John 3:16 and 17). However, He also gave us (John 3:18). (John 3:18) uses the word "condemned." This doesn't mean innocent until proven guilty. It also does not mean "yet to be renovated." And Yes. God has plans that will work but based upon His word. Heaven and earth will fail before any of His WORDS fail. Amen?
(4.) You mentioned "cherry-picking" (in reference to my first post), and yet you did not give a rebuttal toward any of my use of scripture that would support your position. And also, you did not "harmonize" my "hell emblazoned" scriptures with your rebuttal. Are you dismissing these scriptures to suit your given position?
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@@thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575 I do appreciate that. Thank you. Looking forward to it.
@@thatwhichhasbeen-isthatwhi6575 In response to your third post...
The term "biblical universalism" is new to me. I was, at first, under the impression that Universalism was an attempt to "tone down" the warnings of Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 10:28, (several other of the 4 gospel verses on hell) or the (4) references to the "Second death" in the book of Revelation.
To me, what is most important here is God's sovereign name and reputation before all of His creations. And His sovereignty is the sole reason why the testimonial of scripture (and our testimony) is paramount, considering the grandest court session yet to come, the Great White Throne Judgment.
I kinda see the point of the conclusion you came to... And I also see a problem that was persisted throughout your explanation of how Universalism could work...
(1.) You typed, "1 Corinthians 15:26, it tells me that the “last enemy” to be destroyed is “death”, If we are to go by the sequence of Judgment at Rev 20: 10-15, death goes into the “lake of fire” [before] those not found in the book of life, therefore death ceases to exist, so those judged [after] can’t be put to death again, because death will not exist anymore."
Well - "the sequence of Judgment" at Rev 20:10-15, as you put it... *does not end there*... The scripture about the "second death" appears again in Revelation 21:8.
Let's read that, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, SHALL (future tense) have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
This scripture is placed in the next chapter, listing sinful behaviors as done by PERSONS, who obviously, have not yet faced final judgment!
Did God change His mind and had to restoke the "fire" to purge sinful behavior? No.
(2.) Revelation 20:15 -
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
I am pretty sure that this has not been translated as *things not found written* but *persons* or *souls* for that matter.
The word "whosoever" strongly implies that some entries in the Book of Life will be missing a few "persons or souls."
This would also imply the existence of persons who will refuse to be "corrected."
Effectively, our sovereign creator has not bought any worship, love, or even loyalty.
Therefore, by the authority of scripture, I simply do not see how universal salvation could fit.
How do we reconcile this?
Christian Universalism was one of the major beliefs in the first 300 years of the Church, they evangelised pretty successfully. I'm not being glib , check out J W Hansen's 'Universalism'. The Father's who wrote the Nicene Creed were mostly believers in the Restitution of all things. I'm a spirit filled believer of over 31 years the centrality of the Cross and John 14:6, are non negotiable, but I'm a believer in Ultimate Reconciliation. It's historically and biblically more accurate. Endless Conscious Torment is utterly entrenched in our tradition but, it so obviously doesn't fit the story from creation to Revelation. Did you know that it was only from the 6th Century that Christian Universalism was deemed a heresy?
Great topic and video, I can't tell you how many people I know, fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord, believe in this false garbage, it's so sad. They post about Universalism all the time on social media.
False garbage? You think burning in hell is better? I thought this was supposed to be good news?
You know it might not be false
@@MasterporkyMinch It's definitely false. You might not accept that it's false but that doesn't change the fact that it's false.
Prove it, friend.
Amen, universalism is false.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the father but by me”
Scripture is quite clear, by Jesus and though Jesus alone.
every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess
that verse still confirms universalism lmao.
The Good News: Jesus loves us, just as God the Father loved him; in this truth we can rest secure and at peace. The Good News: Though we be sinners, Christ sacrificed his life and suffered on the cross for us. ... The Good News: Faith and love go hand in hand, as does our love for God and His love for us.
Jesus does love us. The question is “do u love Jesus?”
What about the people and prophets of the Old Testament? Are they in hell now since they didn’t know Jesus? Or does the chapter in Hebrews contradict the interpretation of saying that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?
Old testament jews from Moses' time were under "the Law" since the giving of the 10 commandments. During this time, they were required to follow the 10 commandments(and some other laws) to be saved. Whoever broke these laws had to offer an animal sacrifice to remain saved. The animals took the punishment instead of humans. Such sacrifices offered limited protection from hell because an animal's worth is less and finite. This time period continued till Jesus died. When Jesus became the substitute, his blood became the eternal payment for all of all humans because his value is infinite.
Does God want achievement from people to be able to get relationship with him? or have relationship in people so they are able to achieve his will through them?
Gods wants things.
So why can't he get them?
@@JamesRichardWiley Are you a christian
people who believe this just Love sin. They don’t want you to tell them what they are doing wrong.. they will say only God can judge them. they are fools
Well they are right, only God should judge them, but yes they are fools if they think God will judge them uprightly.
Why are so many Christians so obsessed with taking on that vocation of judgement though? It clearly is in the hands of God and I believe many conservative Christians unrighteously put themselves in that position with statements like this.
@@MissesMarble : should Christians judge
Can someone answer me this question? If God requires us to forgive other people 7 X70. Is it possible for him to forgive someone 7X70 that has never heard the gospel, and not send him to hell?
3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. note
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your
1 thessalonians 1v3-5
Please let me ask those who believe themselves heaven-bound a question. Do you think everyone you love is going to be there? If you went to heaven, and knew that someone you really loved wasn't there, would it occupy your thoughts? Would you worry about them? Are people in heaven conscious of those who are separated from God?
We don't know who is going to end up in Heaven for sure. But if someone I loved didn't make it, then I'm sure I'd be sad for them. And God promises to be there to wipe every tear away.
scripture speaks of people on the wrong side of God being aware of their loved ones and their impending doom. but remember, you are in heaven to be with God. God will be so awesome that i doubt you will have any other thoughts.
@@violentshemp7776....so you could be made to forget in some way? Is that plausible? Do you have the ability to think and make decisions in heaven?
@@drumrnva i didn't say you could be made to forget, but rather that God is so awesome that there probably wouldn't be ANYTHING else worth thinking about.
@@violentshemp7776 Our relationships are a core part of who we are as humans. So you think that God’s greatness will make us forget our loved ones? If so, who is the person that is saved if they are cut off from their loved ones?
Does it make sense to simply ignore those in eternal torment? Is that moral and does that reflect the character of Go?
While there are certainly more progressive universalists out there who believe as you speak of, there are other universalists who certainly believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and the only way to be fully reconciled to God. One can only achieve salvation through Jesus, but this opportunity stands till the end of time. To them, God is like the father in the Parable of the Prodigal Son, who allowed his son to sin and bring destruction upon himself, but is always waiting for him to return. It’s precisely because of Jesus and his sacrifice that the world will be reconciled. “For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.” -Romans 11:32
And it’s interesting how she speaks from a position of how universalism is not just, while a predominant view on hell is that a single sin condemns us to an eternity of fiery torment without any chance of change or repentance. Wouldn’t the truest form of justice be to judge a person by the content of their heart whenever that may be-in life or death-rather than to render their free will meaningless in hell?