Why Adventure 2 Is My Favorite Sonic Game
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2020
- The time has finally come for me to tackle Sonic Adventure 2 in it's entirety, sharing what this game means to me and so many others. It's over an hour of Sonic Adventure 2 praise! Hope everyone enjoys it...I think I crushed it with this one.
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The most unrealistic part of Sonic Adventure 2 was seeing any open parking spaces in San Francisco
😂😂
Lol 😂
“I miss my wife Tails. I miss her a lot.”
i never understood that joke
@@jdawson7877 czcams.com/video/G6tISxVCBnM/video.html
"Let's pause the game for several minutes to do a comedy bit at the expense of playing the mod. Also I'm not having fun playing Meteor Herd as a mech, but instead of quitting or handing off the controller, I'm just going to keep whining about it."
@@AkameGaKillfan777 That's a video separate from the main fandub series. They were just playing with mods on their Twitch stream and it's nothing to take that serious. They were most likely working on improv together because they're clearly friends outside of the fandub videos
@@MrJtYates I just don't like SnapCube that much.
Not helping is how their fans started badgering Mike Pollock to do the Eclipse Cannon line, even though he didn't find it funny and he could get fired if he did. Also it was Deem Bristow who did Eggman's voice beforehand until he died.
Wow, piss = comedy, ha ha so funny and original. Are you people in Kindergarten or something?
They nailed sonic, he's very lighthearted and "cool" but when something serious happens, he doesn't crack a dumb joke about dying. He actually gets serious
Didn’t he make a joke when egg man was literally pointing a gun at Amy?
@@revthescatman137 Literally what I thought. lmao.
@@revthescatman137 "You've turned into a big-time villain, doctor."
@@revthescatman137 at the time sonic is annoyed by amy so he didn't care that much about it
@@Puss_pog no, sonic was just confident that eggman would take the bait but once he realized this he starts acting serious
Detractors: "Sonic Adventure 2 is too dark for a Sonic game."
Meanwhile in Super Paper Mario...
I hate this argument about Sonic stories and I even see it popping up in Kingdom Hearts as of late too and just find it really silly. Especially if you look at how both series start out and see the darker undertones present even then. (More so in Kingdom Hearts than, Sonic but my point still stands.)
I wish thst argument would stop popping up so we can get stories to the level of adventure 1 or heroes at least.
He should do a review of Super Paper Mario. Its so underrated because it is often seen as the 'beginning of the sticker star era" but unlike sticker star/color splash/origami king it has a good story and characters. (Origami king just needed to shorten the tutorial stuff and not end the way it did and it'd be pretty alright, which is way more than I can say than sticker star/color splash xD.)
@@archmagemc3561 I disagree about that "Sticker Star era" nonsense. To me, Super Paper Mario was the last of the "original" Paper Mario games. The gameplay may have been different, but the story, characters, themes, and presentation were still very much in line with what came before. Heck, the change of gameplay was just an experiment to see if Bowser's gameplay from The Thousand-Year Door could work for a whole game. Also, it was the last Paper Mario made by Ryota Kawade (who was the director for PM64 and TTYD).
@@KingdomHeartsBrawler I think you misunderstand me. I love SPM, ts just that its gameplay isn't very engaging compared to the first two games as its just super easy. (Carrie bowser destroys everything.)
Super paper Mario is my favorite game of all time
Fun fact : yuji naka mentioned in an interview that shadow"s final character design was modeled after super sonic.
Joshua Levenberg I have no idea tbh
It's also implied with the master emerald shrine in this game and with Gerald studying the ancient echidna tribe in Sonic Battle and Sonic Chronicles that Gerald went to the Lost World in the Mystic Ruins and designed the Biolizard after Perfect Chaos. Oh and the Biolizard has Perfect Chao's roars.
It's just canon in general that Gerald made Shadow after Super Sonic, Gerald actualy went to Angel Island at some point and saw the murals near the master emerald shrine, and since he thought it looked like the "Super" being was fighting a great evil, he decided to base Shadow on that
I mean his spikes is like Super Sonic's early spike style
Joshua Levenberg actually it was changed starting from 06 when sonic goes super.
Fun Fact: In the Japanese version The reason Sonic was framed for Shadow’s actions was primarily because the government wanted to keep Project Shadow, Gerald, and The Ark a secret to the public. Framing Sonic would be a perfect excuse
That is either super stupid to think this is a good idea or super evil to think this is how you treat the one who save you from chaos
They were willing to frame a fifteen-year-old, three foot tall, blue, anthropomorphic hedgehog boy, who saved the world from an Evil Scientist and a Water Entity of destruction to cover up their mistakes?
Actually, that sounds like something the government would do.
Oh wow that’s crazy, how come more people don’t bring this up
It was because of early Shadow design, that looked fairly similar to Sonic
@@DioBrando_ infact, it was originally Shadow the Tenrec, Tenrec means Fake Hedgehog
This has always been my favorite Knuckles. I find his "meathead" personality to be so aggravating and the complete opposite of what Knuckles used to be.
He was naturally cool there, Knuckles was everything his apparition in Sonic 3 needed to evolve into in a story driven 3D game, chill but tough
I feel Sonci Heroes was when he was at his best. Rush and Rivals flanderized him to a moron
Well he was pretty much a black dude in SA2 which kinda explains his personality
@@jkthegreat5687 that’s pretty racist
@@jkthegreat5687 wtf? wut's that supposed to mean? is this how u perceive black people to be? I've never seen a stereotype like this but....... like why u gotta say that? I'm not mad I'm just confused.
P.S. I'm black 👍🏾
What's crazy was that Shadow himself was going to ONLY appear in this game. His death at the end was going to be 100% permanent but he was super popular with the fans in such a short amount of time, Sega had no choice to bring him back and he became a series staple since then
Would have been better if he had of died there. He really didn’t do much in any games since 06. He was great in heroes though so it’s tough
@@Moltisantiproductionslike belly in dbz didn’t have to do much but so cool has no choice but to stay on the roster
My favorite plot point in the entire story is how Knuckles just randomly comes out of the sewers next to Tails and Amy like, "Hey guys, long time no see. I must have got lost in the mines. Looking for the Master Emerald pieces was tougher than I thought it would be. Where are we anyway?"
Like there's so much to unpack there. You're telling me that underneath the city that they're currently in is a sewer system that connects to AN UNDERGROUND COAL MINE SHAFT/FACILITY???? ("once was a coal pit, but now it's a water ride") and, not only that, but this man just shows up, talks some nonsense about the Master Emerald to two people who have just witnessed Eggman blowing up the moon with a giant space laser gun, and none of them ask him any questions NOR do they clarify what is even happening.
Tails just starts talking about tracking the President and his limo and that they can find Eggman by tracing the call from said Limo. Knuckles says nothing.
Nobody asks him about the Master Emerald. How did he get lost in the mines and come up in the EXACT spot that Tails and Amy were standing. Why do they not tell him what's going on?!
And I, to this day, don't care. It's still hilarious and I love it.
The Sonic characters all know what Knuckles' deal is. He does his own thing and comes and goes.
This to me was a glimpse into what the series COULD have been as a standard from here on out. In some alternate Universe Sega kept up with the quality of their games and continued to branch the Sonic lore with these 3D titles while continuing with the 2D games alongside it. Just like what Mario does, this should have been what Sonic should have been doing all the way to present day. And I can only hope one day it eventually does.
@Ordinary GP I wouldnt say Sonic 4 but sure the Advance and Rush games, and Mania all have what I want for 2D Sonic. We should have kept getting games like that along with Adventure styled/Unleashed kind of games. We didnt need this garbage in the 2010s.
This decade could be the most wasteful decade I've ever seen for a game series. Sonic has literally jack this entire era aside from Generations and Mania and the CD re-release. To make it worse, it doesnt show any signs of changing. So this is gonna extend beyond the 10s. Man 2021 is going to be cringe for the blue blur all over again. I'll just hope the movie is good
And maybe we'll get this. With Mania having it's own team, if sonic team manages to establish good gameplay and level design with 3D sonic (and decent storytelling in contrast to Forces' first draft script). I hope they just stop with the "sonic is for kids and kids are dumb" plotlines.
@@ufazig Well you pretty much repeated exactly what I was just saying so yeah that would be great. I personally would like a fully 3D Sonic game again. We havent had one since Shadow and 06 and the last GOOD one was SA2 and arguably Heroes. Enough of this 3D to 2D stuff. It's great but for crying out loud stick to something. We have 2D and 3D type of games they dont always have to be smacked together.
@@stormcutter59 You mean the movie that's already out?
@@dapperfan44 No the sequel. The first movie was pretty great I just hope that continues in the sequel. I was pleasantly surprised with the first movie. Really good
7:54 "Shadow's not Sonic's first rival."
*Shows Amy in Sonic CD*
Me: Wow, I've never seen anyone portray Amy as one of Sonic's-
*Metal Sonic shows up*
Me: Oh, duh.
I thought the exact same thing! 😂
"Top 30 anime deaths, number 1: Your fucking ass right now!"
I’m my opinion SA2 could’ve been the end. Egg man had an epiphany and there didn’t seem to be a reason to still do harm. Everyone had a character ark. They are here and learned and became better versions of themselves. This was one of the saddest moments as you felt triumphant but just to find out you couldn’t save shadow it was a lot to bare. Plus it seemed as though everything sonic and friends have been through led up to this point
true
"everyone had a character ARK."
I see what you did there.
@@dami8875 lol 😂
I mean, with the state of Sega at the time, it makes sense that they’d intentionally make a story that could be the end. As far as the devs knew, it very well could have.
@@TwentyGX I remember a CZcams video stating that Unleashed was made with a similar purpose in mind, especially since it came after Sonic 06. That’s why the final stage is Eggmanland, which was Eggman’s dream to build since SA1, & Sonic says “time for the big finale!” before the final boss.
This game introduced arguably the most developed sonic character and my personal favorite shadow the hedgehog.
Not only that it actually tried to a have a story with stakes and character development.
This game also has peak dr eggman and he actually outsmarts tails and basically wins for a few seconds.
But really this game was at a time where game stories tried to be something more than memes and self aware parodies of themselves, it tried to make you feel different while playing the game and it really leaves off on a bitter sweet ending.
Sonic adventure 2 while flawed in its gameplay and story refined sonic the hedgehog and I'd say if this was the last sonic game we ever got I'd say it ended on a high note.
Also live and learn is one of the best opening themes to any game.
I love and miss the Adventure era and gameplay
This does have a story with stakes and character development.
Forces is the one who tried to have a story with stakes.
@@mechashadow Unfortunately, Forces' stakes weren't very good.
Forces had no stakes lmao, unless you count 2 minute automated levels a stake
@@theminecraft2516 You used two minutes on them?
I'm a simple guy, I see an hour-long SA2 retrospective, I click.
My life story XD
@@Poker2735 As the ultimate lifeform
Why do people find this joke funny
@@thefastcommenter7774 I don't know, why people find your comment useless?
@@Hugo-yz1vb Why do you find your attempt of a "joke" funny
The adventure series will forever be my favorite sonic series
Same. They were really good
Same
My Dad got SA2B and the GameCube for my sister and I on Christmas of '01. It is the most memorable game we share, especially after him passing in '06. To this day, we still put on the album and sing together like we're 6 and 5 years old again. It is truly one of my favorite games and soundtracks of all time 😭☺
Glad to see the Adventure hate is starting to slowly die off. More and more positive things are being said about it compared to a few years ago.
All that's left is for the Sonic Adventure games to get ported to current-gen consoles (I will buy them the instant they come to Switch) to critical acclaim and we'll have come full circle.
@@smashmaster521 Too bad SEGA is too obsessed trying to please the detractors instead of the fans.
@@ChiefMedicPururu No they're trying to please everyone which makes their recent games barely coordinated messes.
@@AAAAAA-bm9qd ...That includes the detractors, dude.
@@ChiefMedicPururuOkay, sorry. I was just trying to say that the detractors get the most pandering aside from classic sonic fanboys.
Notice how sega barely tried anything that was in 06 or adventure 2 because of how panned those games were? It's because they want to please non fans who either only hate on sonic for attention or only like the classic games and dislike the modern games because of nostalgia.
I almost choked up hearing Eggman say “You’re our last hope”. He said that in a way that genuinely touched me.
Sonic Lost World: Welp, time for me to throw genuine positive humanity Eggman had at times like in SA2 by making him pretend to be on Sonic’s side before I become a very one-dimensional mad scientist!
If you don’t mind SLW, opinion accepted. But Sonic Lost World is a Sonic game that didn’t try hard enough to hold a candle to the original versions of most other mainline Sonic games (Sonic ‘06 being the only exception along with Sonic Forces).
@@kieranstark7213 Could you not condescend?
@@kieranstark7213 I couldn’t get into that game- it’d looked adorable at the time to me but I ended up just not liking the vibes from the demo. Shame to hear how he turned out in that though. Can’t imagine what led them to that decision...
*Sonic Adventure 2 (DC) score*
Presentation: 8 (sure, the only real problem I have with it is that the CGI cutscenes look more lifelessly than cinematically animated and a more minor one is that My Sweet Passion does have lyrics about Amy Rose being Sonic-obsessed although in the Sonic Adventure series, she wasn’t too much that it held her back from being a confident, intelligent character rather than a character that would condescend Sonic for not being romantically interested in her like in Sonic Heroes, Sonic and the Black Knight and *especially* the *infamous* Sonic Free Riders. But everything else about the graphics and soundtrack of Sonic Adventure 2 make it a lot more exciting!)
Story: 8 (there are people who actually go as far as to call SA2’s story one of the *absolute greatest in gaming* and while I wouldn’t go THAT far because of a line as sexist as “Attacking a lady?! Shame on you!”, even for an ass-kicking woman, with an ending more emotionally packed than imaginable and much more stuff, boy does it show!)
Gameplay: 8 (the treasure hunting stages can be a pain, but the speed stages, early Knuckles stages, mech stages and especially the last story stages can be complexly challenging for the greatest of reasons)
*8/10 (Best 3D Sonic platformer up to the ranks of SA1 for the Dreamcast and Sonic Unleashed)*
*Sonic Lost World score*
Presentation: 7 (the way they designed the game’s aesthetics and sound do have professional work put into it... except for the Deadly Six looking as much like they do not belong in a Sonic the Hedgehog game about as much as the realistically designed Sonic ‘06 humans. That, and while Amy Rose is luckily not clingy anymore, her voice was still hard to listen to because as I did say in early 2016 on Peter Pan Parodies Wiki no matter how much crap I got from it by Seth White aka 72.224.115.118 on Wikia, it sounded even more like Cream the Rabbit than Minnie Mouse, who by the way sound a little similar)
Story: 0 (m.czcams.com/video/SDNz342v_qA/video.html)
Gameplay: 3 (ExoParadigmGamer, a respectably amazing CZcamsr at heart, unfortunately pointed out that it was hypocritical for people to complain about how harsh the level design of Sonic Lost World was while not calling out the level design of Sonic 2 for the Sega Genesis for having the same problem. However, while TheRetroReplay, another video game reviewer gave the game a “Good” score despite recommending it more to people who have figured out how to work through a game as tricky as this than newcomers, I think Sonic 2 is a great game, maybe not for beginners, but definitely for post-newcomers who figured out how to beat and have a lot of fun with the game as another one of those 2D Sonic platformers like the original 16-bit Sonic and Sonic Advance trilogies after playing it several times despite Metropolis Zone having regardlessly unforgiving enemy placement, while Sonic Lost World, on the other hand, feels like it’s both being a hard game yet playing it safe to pander to Classic Era nostalgia at the same time, both for the sake of it)
*3/10*
Kieran Stark Okay, you’re seriously overrating SA2’s story.
That line from Eggman during the credits always stood out to me. Felt so fucking raw and sad, straight from someone whos foundation of themself has been shaken.
This is by far the best review of this game I’ve ever seen. This is the prime example of “explaining why I like this game, not why it’s good despite its flaws or why it’s underrated.”
I know, I mean, over the years, everyone has been trashing on this game. Saying this game sucks and you should hate it too. But I don't think that way. I personally think that Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite 3d Sonic game ever made. To me, it's like transformers dark of the moon. It's where everyone says that movie was the worst of the entire trilogy, Well, others think it's while others think it's one of the best in the trilogy I am one Of those people Who say dark of the moon is the best And who consider sonic adventure 2 the best game ever.
I spent many summer vacation days in 01-04 playing this game with my sister, raising Chaos, and playing through single player.
Sonic Adventure 2 was a part of my childhood.
I was in middle school back then...i’m 32 now!
Same
Honestly, I kind of wonder if the slight uptick in SA2 praise over the past couple of years has to do with Forces putting things into perspective. Forces tries to hit so many of the same notes as SA2, but it falls so short that you can't help but look back and appreciate what SA2 got right. At least, that's my theory.
Great video. I agreed with almost everything you said.
EDIT: Just some more stuff I thought of, mostly story moments.
Glad to I’m not the only one who made parallels between SA2 and Forces.
•Darker narrative
•Speed based gameplay, platforming focused gameplay, enemy focused gameplay
•Stage to stage/world map
•Mysterious new villain clad in black with an unknown backstory
•A plot point of Sonic being sent to prison, breaking him out, and Sonic escaping.
•A plot point in which Eggman has a secret trick up his sleeve to get Sonic out of his hair once and for all.(The Capsule scene from SA2 & the Null Space scene from Forces.)
•A story moment in which a giant, fiery object from space is falling down to the planet to destroy everyone.(The ARK from SA2 and the Sun from Forces.)
Not to mention Episode Shadow just being a giant SA2 reference with its ost.
Forces really is just SA2 done very badly.
@@mcmistle9892 Actually, episode shadow is a giant shadow the hedgehog reference. And outside of shadows character being written better, it did literally everything worse because it is part of forces. Less good levels, less good atmosphere and you know, StH actually had a real war going on. Instead of everyone just doing whatever until they win.
I think it's because of the backlash it's been getting over the years. The mid to late 10's saw a lot of bashing of the Adventure series. Now we're getting to see a backlash to the backlash, of people saying it's good.
Imagine if we just get caught in an infinite cycle? As a backlash to this backlash, people'll start bashing the game again, and as a backlash to that backlash, people will praise it once more. It'll just keep going.
Hey, better for people to keep talking about this game good or bad instead of just having it forgotten.
Ah yes... SA2 the direct sequel to SA (which in turn was the sequel to the classic games) in a simpler time of:
*No two worlds
*No alternative dimensions
*No timeline retcons
*No self-aware humour
*No cringe memes
*No continuity errors
*No side-lining of everyone (that isn't Sonic and Eggman).
Just a great game with a serious tone where each of the playable characters in the story contributed to the plot.
56:46
What do you mean Amy is the one to convince Shadow to help?
Wasn't that Chris Thorndyke?
...wait where is Chris during these games?
@prickly pear they're joking.
say sike right now
LMAO
haha funny. right, RIGHT? ur joking right? RIGHT?
@@crownagex5687 It's a joke.
Let me tell you...that scene with Eggman and the fake emerald is masterful! The voice acting, the tension, hell even the character models were on point for once! Look at Amy's expression when Sonic says goodbye to her and tell me you don't feel her despair! This was the first Sonic game I owned and to this day it is by far my favorite. I'm a sucker for a good story and despite the holes this one had a (comparatively) great story.
Also, going back I agree with some of what you said about G.U.N. and the government. I think that G.U.N. knew Sonic wasn't Shadow, but since they couldn't let it be known that they let Shadow escape they framed Sonic. Rogue was probably called in to help cover up the government's mistakes like you said.
Lastly, "Live and Learn" is my favorite video game song EVER, bar none. This was one of the last video games my little brother and I played together and every time I hear that song I get chills reminiscing on the times. This game as a whole holds such a special place in my heart, but man that song is just top notch. Okay, I'm gonna stop rambling now. Thank you for this video!
It's a dumb cutscene from a dumb game. Calm down
@@itsknighttime9572 looks like someone is an adventure hater. lol
@@crownagex5687 nah, I was just done listening to this virgin cry about a cutscene. It's like....shut the fruit up
@@itsknighttime9572 Dude relax, he's just letting out his love for something. Is that so wrong in this context? Come on, just let him enjoy it
@@goofball2237 nope. Not doing that. This guy is a virgin
J, I can't believe you were the person that made me notice after almost 20 years, that The Space Colony Ark is just an upside down Evil Bespin from Star Wars...
I can't believe I never noticed that before.
I knew that had something to do with star wars!
Oh the joy in my soul when I saw this on my recommended
For real haha. I saw it was said “hey babe! It’s SA2 TIME BABY!” And was a video is was! I really enjoyed it!
Same
@SharinganSakura fr idk why i get so hyped over these
Finally a video on CZcams about SA2, that isn't about bashing it over and over for 90 minutes straight.
hmmm..... I wonder what
J thinks about SA2? Oh J uploaded a new vi-....
Ok that answers my question
SA2 has so many super small bits that I can't help but to overthink and feel my heart melt!
Super Sonic's little animation when he goes to fight the Finalhazard. Now much more experienced with Chaos Energy and, while not to the same degree of Shadow, he did perform Chaos Control. He just roars with energy, filled with pure rage. It's so cool and shows that Sonic has limits.
Knuckles has a reason to not turn into Super Knuckles. He still needs to look after the Master Emerald!
Sonic, while cheering up Amy, does still feel a bit hurt. Yes, he's able to move on but gave a heartfelt goodbye to Shadow. He really sounds like he's almost about to tear up.
There's so many moments I can list and it's all because I love the game and the series to bits. Thank you for doing it justice.
The way that each character's music is handled is honestly the detail that makes SA2's OST transcend for me. I absolutely love how sonic gets a mix of ska and jrock while shadow gets this grungey edm style music, its so much fun. Metal harbor is probably one of my favorite themes in the entire franchise and probably the one I think exemplifies the character of sonic the most.
Fucking amazing, J. This is a game that I've always held so dear to my heart even as I grow into a cynical 20-something who hates everything. I will never forget my first time playing this game as a second grader whose only other experience with Sonic was Sonic 2 for the Genesis and being blown away the visuals, the music, the gameplay and levels, and the characters. This was what made me fall in love with the franchise and showed me that video games can be legitimate forms of storytelling even if I was too young to really understand that. And that final speech you made really got to me and reminded me of why these games meant so much to me as a kid. Thank you so much for this and the whole retrospective.
Sonic adventure 1 and 2 were some of my favorite childhood games
Fuck this game it’s fuckin garbage
@@reallyhimongod keep telling yourself that
@@reallyhimongod Why is it garbage?
@@hanezutchins2786 the gamecube port is god awful everything about it it’s like you guys like torturing yourself if you enjoyed that pile of shit
This notification interrupted my Seinfeld...but then I thought, what if Jerry Seinfeld voiced Sonic?
“I mean, WHAAAT is the deal with this airline? No food or movies? I might as well board on the asphalt OOUAAAOUUHHHH!!”
Jerry Seinfeld to voice Sonic in the second sonic movie
Kramer as Tails
This actually made me laugh lol
Sketch ayyyy if you like my humor, I DO indeed have a 23 minute iceberg video gaining traction on my channel (shameless plug is indeed shameless)
i like how you made the comment still funny to me, i dont even know who jerry is
1:02:24
This part of the story actually makes more sense in the Sonic X anime.
There it can be summized that Gerald Robotnik is the reason Eggman was in Sonic's alternate dimension. This was his way of "protecting his grandson while Shadow destroyed the Earth.
why do you keep coming back to this video like one of your other comments was 6 months prior to this one
@@ketama180 good vidya 🤷
I mean, Gerald wanted none to survive. The question here is moreso if he forgot he had surviving family or just didn't care. That explanation in Sonic X actually sucks, because it introduces another plothole. it is said that everyone needs to be in their world or else the concept of time itself dies and everything is frozen forever. But if Eggman was not in his proper world for most of his life, then....
In the games, Sonic isn't from an alternate dimension so not really.
@@TheRedGyardos yeah but in the anime is not so probably
I really never understood the hate for this game when it's one of my favorite games of all time. I literally played it until my gamecube broke. There's just something magical about it. I think my favorite part about the game was the heroes and villains coming together against a bigger threat. It was almost as if their fight against each other earlier was all just a play and they're all actually friends. I feel like it kept the game from being too dark for a sonic game.
Iizuka: "ShaDoW doEsn'T hAvE frIeNDs!"
To be fair it’s not Izuka who said that it was the big boys at Sega
He didn't really have them in SA2 tho.
He started getting them in heroes.
RadicialDraws He grew to appreciate and respect the characters in SA2, and he developed into someone who would be open to having friends...
If he didn’t fucking die that is
Then as you said, thats where Heroes comes in
oh my god don't get me started
i could rant on shadow's mistreatment post 2010 for eons
@@hihi-nm3uy Yeah, it sucks looking back at this game where most of the cast are at their best and then looking at what we have now.
Shadow's case is particularly painful because we know this is what SEGA _wants._ It's not just that the writers suck, because we got confirmation last year that Ian Flynn intended him to be as he should be in the pages of IDW but SEGA said no. We know Ian can write a good Shadow, because he was good in pretty much every story in Archie.
Even moreso, Shadow was, along with Knuckles, one of the few cases where the comic did better than the games. I often felt that the more game-like Archie became, the more the characters were stretched between their OG Archie personalities and the game versions. Eggman especially suffered from that, with his actions becoming increasingly dissonant the more the comic went on.
But Shadow was great. And now he isn't.
Fun Fact: Shadow's original design was later used for Infinite the Jackal.
Yeah, I got serious Infinite vibes when I saw Shadow's prototype designs, and I think one of the other ones has been used for fan games.
Inspired, not used. Sadly, they made him uninteresting.
They did the same with Sonic, one of his beta designs was an armadillo which later became Mighty.
Ofc Mighty got his shine in the comics and has recently resurged in popularity thanks to Mania (too bad "mandates" restrict him and Ray from ever directly appearing in the "modern" games).
Guess the beta design was TOO WEAK to be Shadow
@@lynxfresh5214 yeah the design became mighty. I think it was literally ripped when they where making sega sonic. But his colour choice was picked from Sega Sonic Bros
The reason why the 1998-2009 games have such a strong fanbase is because that was the last time sonic actually had energy and attitude in the games
Lets hope Sonic Frontiers will have a GOOD STORYLINE
I'd argue there is still some attitude in later games, what it truly lacks is energy. Attitude with no energy is what makes Sonic comes off as a cynical, detached d-bag rather than a cocky and confident hero imo.
Last good Sonic game ended with Sonic Generations in 2011
@@Alexis-yc2ti oh do I have news for you 👀
Sonic frontiers actually has a decent story👀
Everything you said about the characterization and story is exactly why it saddens me so much to see the writing and story and characterization of the games since Sonic Colors aka meta era, all I ask is that whatever this next main sonic game is... I just hope it has the same story and writing beats that the adventure games had... give sonic an emotion other that sarcasm
Nah, it will be Forces 2. SEGA didn't learn shit.
I'd say it's best to wait until we will see what that game will be before judging. Although I wouldn't hold high hopes for it since Sonic hasn't been doing very well for the past decade and because the last major title was Sonic Forces.
@@ChiefMedicPururu Uhh well
@@pinhe4d321 Check the date. And back then, I was not in a good mood.
They really need to make another Adventure style games.
Heros was as close as we got
No they don't. They were all bad
@@itsknighttime9572 wrongo
@@Xyvir no, take off the nostalgia goggles. They suck
@@itsknighttime9572 I've played it recently. It's a good game.
SA2 was an end of an era.
SA2B was start for another.
So, so true. SA2 was the beginning of the downfall for many fans of the previous era but the absolute peak for many younger fans. Still the most polarizing game I have seen in the series.
@@upcdowncleftcrightc9429 If anything, I'd say Shadow the Hedgehog was the start of the series downfall
@@bleakburd4965 I strongly disagree but you have a right to your opinion :)
@@bleakburd4965
Shadow the Hedgehog was a decent game with an okay narrative structure that, while a little redundant, wrapped up the story pretty nicely. I say wrapped up because it was pretty much the last game we got that followed the storyline of Sonic Adventure, sadly enough. Wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible.
@@bleakburd4965
No, because I played it myself and thought it was fun. It's a strong 6.5 or maybe even 7 out of 10. I also don't let CZcams review channels shape my worldview or how I view games.
Thank you, seriously. I'm sick and tired of everyone dogpiling on SA1 and 2, and treating them like trash. Sonic can be good in 3D and it's about time more people said it.
If they mad sa3 the case would be closed and people wouldbt have to shitpost
The soundtrack alone is incredible. This is by far my favorite Sonic game, and I would love to see a re-release of it and SA1 on the Switch
I love dedicated video essays about one of my favorite games ever.
Btw, Patchy the Pirate's echo: Yes XD
Hello again.
Supporting Me is one of the greatest video game songs ever imo
Agreed, easily one of the best boss theme songs of all time. It's too bad it didn't sound as dynamic when they remixed it in Sonic Generations, at least in my opinion anyway. I preferred the droning vocals of the original as opposed to the more cleaned up style, made it feel more ominous and ghostly.
*yes*
I love that you can hear a subdued version of Live & Learn underneath it. Shadow turning hero as things look bleak.
It's pretty good, ngl.
Oh who am I kidding? The whole soundtrack's a banger!
This game has arguably the best story in a sonic game.
"That brings us to the first stage, City Escape." *ad about traveling*
They're trying to show how much better their flights are
I'm happy to finally see a review of Sonic Adventure 2 that doesn't hate on the Knuckles and Rouge treasure hunt stages. Those were always one of my favorite parts of the game and I was disappointed when I found out that they weren't well liked by most people. I know they're easy to get lost in at first, especially the later ones, but once you remember your way around, they really aren't that bad. Whenever my mom and I played the game, we spent most of our times in the treasure hunt stages and the Chao Garden. Not to say I didn't like the other stages as well. I love the speed stages, and the shooting ones are more fun once you get the hover ability.
When I was 11, I hated them. That was mainly because I never liked adventure games growing up where you had to explore and not given much direction. Of course now I've grown to enjoy them a lot more. Meteor Herd is my favourite stage in the game actually.
the extra step of using hint monitors instead of tikal just telling you where they are is what seperated the boys from the men
Whaat people hate the treasure hunt stages?! I loved those ones they were some of my favorites when I was younger.
@@codywinter4818 Every other reviewer I've seen review Sonic Adventure 2 besides this one criticized them saying they were the worst part of the game. I remember one reviewer even said the Sonic and Shadow stages were the only good ones.
The worst part of the game?? Thats wild. I love playing as knuckles and rouge, the punch/kick and gliding and everything, sick. I feel like they have less jankiness than the others can get in certain levels too. I guess I can see if you dont like exploring much and just want to run through or blow shit up, but I think the only bad part of the game is the shitty camera in some areas.
The Dreamcast didn't go out with a bang, but with a boom
A Sonic Boom
Farao IGN quote
@@BLUECHAOSEMERALD_ wait really?
Farao Ya, in the SA2 IGN review the last sentence they said was that.
Back when IGN wasn't filled with ignorant bosses.
@@BLUECHAOSEMERALD_ didn't know that
living and learning i guess
I miss this era of sonic 😢
The boost formula is alright, but this is what got me into sonic
The boost limits Sonic and his cast so much, it feels so un natural going from the Adventure formula to this
I love 2006 but at the same time fuck this game for ruining Sega's vision of what Sonic should be
@@maude7420 “Vision for what sonic should be.” Did you forget that sega is the same company that brought sonic into existence?. Your literally going off of what YOU think sonic should be. Yet, I don’t see you filing a complaint about it. Other people have opinions. Not everything evolves around you.
@@CTL_ It's been 2 months
I've grown past this, don't be mad lol
AHR sonic team does not understand what sonic should be anymore tho. Just look at sonic forces, it seems like they lost all their passion and ambission and made the most boring and uninspired sonic game ever created.
@@acousticslayer5883 A balannce between Boost and Adventure would be very welcome, as in, the player would have the ability to turn into the ''Boost Mode'' by unlocking it as a special move (like the Light Speed Attack and it's LSDash variant) just the same way Shadow and Silver could get Chaos Boost or Psycho Boost. Making it work as a special move let's the player calculate when they will need to use it or not, instead of just being a button mashing of X/Square until you beat the stage.
Sonic and Shadow’s final confrontation has two sonic quotes that are so perfect it’s unreal “what can I say, I die hard” and “what you see is what you get, just a guy that loves adventure. I’m sonic the hedgehog!” Both of these quotes not only perfectly demonstrate what kind of person sonic is but they are just pure badass in the most honest way.
On the topic of the map screen, I had been replaying a few stages when I just decided to stop and look at Prison Island for a second. I thought that it had kind of resembled a crescent moon, but then I remembered that after all of the Prison Island stages is when Eggman blows up the moon. I could be stretching, but if that was a bit of intentional foreshadowing, then holy shit.
Holy shit, I never noticed that.
It might be unintentional foreshadowing, since most people wouldn't stop playing after the Prison Island stages to see the layout of the map screen.
Wow...
I stand by to this day that Scott Drier was the best voice actor for Knuckles from Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes.
Edit: ALSO Lani is one of the best voices for Rouge. I'm probably saying that because she was the first voice actor I was introduced to for her. I'm up for debate with this one.
Im a Dan Green shell myself.
Agreed with Knuckles, can't really tell the difference with Rouge because she's so under used these days.
@@dapperfan44 True. I think it's because Lani gave Rouge that seductive voice to go along with her body, which is why I like her voice as Rouge so much. I don't really get that feel with other Rouge actors, but I do like the voice for Rouge in Generations.
@@Zak-bv4qm same he gives Knuckles this tough no nonsense attitude in X
I think Lani is the best rouge voice because the voice was a bit seductive but it wasn't so to the point where the voice and the character of rouge were just "sexy bat". I hate how that small aspect of her became her entire character for no reason. Later actors just do the seductive voice and that's it, not really any emotions beside that.
I literally cannot find a single argument to the title.
I absolutely adore this game, is still in my opinion the best of the 3D Sonic games and easily in the top 3 if not number 1 of all Sonic games. It amazes me that they made/used a game engine that worked so well for Sonic movement and really only needed a few more small tweaks (I think) to be perfect and then seem to just ditch it or lost it after like Sonic Heroes.
The fact that, Sa2 was the Last Sonic game where Sonic actually controlled good pisses me off lol.
Sonic Adventure 2 is one of the best Sonic games ever made. I love it with a passion! Just as much as SA1. However, there are just a few thing I wish SA2 had.
1. A Sonic VS Eggman boss fight, after defeating Shadow.
2. Flashbacks showing Eggman interacting with his grandfather Professor Gerald, and his cousin Maria.
3. Sonic and Shadow having one last conversation, before Shadow "dies". To make that scene even more emotional.
Interestingly enough, modders have been trying to get eggman to fight sonic and other characters fighting each other for years. But, for whatever reason, you can't. Mech characters can only fight mech characters, speed characters can only fight speed characters, and treasure hunting characters can only fight treasure hunting characters. They've been trying for years but they can't figure it out. Whenever you load in sonic, for example into an eggman vs tails fight, shadow will always load in. So maybe they just couldn't figure out how to do it before the game released.
Louiepikmin3 I guess. Hopefully if they remake this game, they can make it happen.
Starscream91 Yeah. For an SA2 remake, they can have that as a new Robotnik boss fight for Sonic, after defeating Shadow. Then the whole “You’re pretty persistent for a hedgehog” line comes to place at THAT moment.
@prickly pear its for the better
shiro maekawa said if he had to add anything to sa2 it would be the cut stuff he is good story writer for the sonic games he even said cutting things in the games was very heart brokening and hard for him cuz he love sa2 too much and treat shadow as a son he even said i would cut my own hands to get the cut stuff back so all in all if sa2 remake happen maekawa must come back to sonic team and sega to write back the cut things but i do not know if the cut stuff will make you happy or not i do not know even what was the cut stuff was
personally i never liked shadow that much when i was younger,but he was such a good character in sa2 and heroes that i didnt feel nothing but respect for him when i played those games.
I wish he came back like a REAL playable character with his own abilities and chaos moves. It would be nice and would make a lot of shadow fans really happy.
But we can just imagine.
@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 I mean, that would be if Sega wanted to attempt something like 06 again, but oops. Everyone already shot that down and the only reason they do not ignore it existing anymore is because people wanted crisis city in generations.
@@lpfan4491 crisis city in generations was my favorite level with my favorite music, for me it was the best level in the game had imo.
@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 I agree, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, 06, Battle and Chronicles do a good job of showing Shadow's superhuman strength, stamina and chaos abilities. So why do some games make play as a Sonic clone with signatures techniques of his own?
@@donathan2933 Sega just put shadow as a playable character when you finish a level once... and he's just a copy of sonic, with different animations and effects... kind cheap honestly. They could make it Better like... a chaos dash that is only exclusive to shadow that when in the air can make him hover but it will decrease your boost gouge when you're in the air for too long, but when on the ground with your boost gouge full you can make a super dash that functions like the cyan wisp from colors. But he only dashes through enemies at high speeds, and and is faster than the boost but it will take out ALL of your boost Gage.
(And yes i just gave an entire idea on how shadow could be just a bit unique in forces...)
Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was literally the best game in the entire series and it has yet to match the addictive replayability of that game. Mostly do to the chao garden. The story in SA2B is also one of my favorite in the series.
I will take the flawed but still good games like SA one and two and Sonic Unleashed over the bland, boring, and lame Sonic games like Sonic Colors, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Forces.
I’d pick 06, SA1, SA2, and Unleashed any day over over Colors and Forces lol
I think Colors wasn't all that bad. It's a great game, but I personally didn't get sucked into any of the 3D games as much as the classic games so it's understandable.
@@cloroxhammer3289 It's not great at all. The DS version is the only great one.
@@mep6302 I actually came to heavily dislike the Sonic Rush trilogy on the DS. Sonic Colors seemed a lot more better to me, but this is all only subjective.
@@cloroxhammer3289 true
At exactly 1 hour and zero seconds, you can find a hidden Jeb. 🙃
Okay so i wasn't the only one
Good eyes, Whisper!
Sonic Adventure 2 is my childhood game
Same. I brought my Dreamcast stuff out of storage a while back after I’d ordered a new, functional one to replace the long since broken one I played as a kid, as I hadn’t played a ton of its library back when it was alive and realized it could play all of its library just through burned CDrs. Ended up finding my now teenage Chao, preserved just as they were on the old memory card, and I got to say hey to them once more. Shit was EMOTIONAL
@@deathray252 cool
My cousin gave the GameCube "battle" version to me as a present. I double dipped and bought the Dreamcast version some years later just for a little comparison. Personally, both are great but I like the GameCube version more. I've been hooked to this game ever since middle school. Sonic Adventure 2 has always been my favorite Sonic game for years now.
🎮😎🤘
@@freddyvoorhees4293 very cool
The getting mistaken for each other thing never bothered me. What's more likely, that Sonic dyed his fur and broke bad or that there is a *second* semi-magical anthrohog who goes fast?
I love how you just casually showed footage of the beta version of Windy Valley as if it's just a regular part of Sonic Adventure.
I want to just say that GUN thinking Shadow was Sonic isn't too crazy like Cooper said in his review everyone saw Sonic turn into SuperSonic in SA1 so with that knowledge in mind that being Sonic can transform. They already saw him turn into a golden hedgehog and fly turning black and red doesn't sound too crazy in theory.
And Ruby of Blue made it make more sense he said all the people saw was a hedgehog stealing a chaos emerald running blitzing speeds at night and by the time Sonic is in city escape people actually did see the real Sonic
Not only that, but when Sonic transformers into Super Sonic, his spikes are pratically the same as shadow in his normal and even super form. So it make sense for GUN thinking that Shadow was Sonic.
Um Besouro Pistoleiro that too as the audience we notice all of that but the people in universe don’t it’s called dramatic irony lol it’s like how terra aqua and ven didn’t know xehanort was evil to us he checks off as a bad guy but to them he’s a guy who’s been around forever
Are some of you stupid? They took still pictures of Shadow. On cameras with advanced technology. Shadow also stood still enough for the news to put him on spotlight as he was tZalking to himself on Radical Highway.
Its CRAZY unless you live your life behind screens. Alot of proper evidence would be needed before they sent someone out to arrest. The footage and still photos would have to be analyzed.
sonic's literally the fastest thing alive so if someone comes along and rivals that speed it's not hard to think the average joe would be like "hmmm emo sonic"
Coming sometime later in the 2020s...
“Why Pac-Man World 2 is the Best Pac-Man Game Since the Original”
Yes
And btw, this is only a reference to the home console version.
PMW2 was the shit tbh
MsPapaille Damn right, especially the Whale in a Sub segment! 😊
Though to be frank, the game does have several highlights! awesomegames.miraheze.org/wiki/Pac-Man_World_2
I didn't understand how in depth and great this storyline is. I do remember that when I was a kid and beat the game, I teared up cuz those final cut scenes are just 😭😭
SA2 felt like the true, final end to Sonic's legacy. Even through Generations and Colors had their moments, nothing ever really lived up to it.
If you think about the state of Sega at the time, you can really get a feel that this was the end of an era, the culmination of the entire franchise. Even the end of the last story had an odd tone of finality, like they expected it to be the last Sonic game.
You are right, and the saddest thing to me is as a kid I couldn't have realized that this would be it for sonic. I never got into another sonic game after SA2. One of my favorite games of all time, and honestly the ending for my favorite character of all time. It's so sad when you think about it, and what sonic could have been.
bro knuckles and tails levels are fuck, generations is way better
Wait, Colors had moments?
What can I say, I never get sick of videos praising the adventure games.
Having grown up with them, it was really disheartening to go onto youtube as an early teen and hear everyone shit on these games like they're the worst pieces of trash imaginable, like sonic was never good, these past few years though it feels great seeing all the people who love and respect these games come out of the woodwork and give them the praise they rightfully deserve.
SA2 was the peak of not only Sonic storytelling, but 3D gameplay in the sonic series in general, say what you will about "tHe GlITchES" but the Boost formula aint got shit on adventure.
With some refinement and time on the mechanics, and going back to the full on blockbuster style stories of adventure 2, an "adventure 3" could be a complete re-invigoration of the franchise.
Damn I miss the old Sonic Team.
I do hope that the next game is going back to the "Adventure" gameplay. They did rely on boost gameplay for a very long time, so I'd like to see Sonic Team do something different.
Ever see ruby of blues SA2 videos ? Cuz that’s some of my favourite SA2 videos
@@raidoukuzonoha883 For real, I think he made some of the best Sonic Adventure reviews you can find.
Sonic Adventure 2 hardly had glitches on GameCube. Superbounce is a skilled mastery of bounce bracelet physics, & the game itself is built on rules of physics. I've heard someone think it was a glitch in Final Rush that they flew between 2 platforms because they expected an invisible wall, they clearly didn't see the Sonic sized gap between them. The Adventure Games have been the best games in the Sonic Series for 20 years & we need a return to form for story, characterization, & gameplay.
@@WaterKirby1994 I completely agree, that's why I wrote "glitches" in a mocking tone as that's just the common criticism the adventure games get.
Also, yes I have seen Ruby of Blues Adventure videos.
This is definitely one of your best videos, from the pacing to the emotion to the thorough explanation on the game play and story, I was surprised at how quickly this video went by
1:07:36 while Johny’s review was alright, Jared’s review is pretty bad and we aren’t saying that he sucks for disliking the game, the problem I had with Jared’s review was his condescending tone towards fans of the game and his arguments aren’t of sound reasoning, the video you showed at the bottom by Ruby of Blue was to show how Jared’s arguments are poorly constructed and to call out Jared’s rude behavior towards fans of the game, Ruby doesn’t hate ProJared and his video wasn’t meant to hate on him.
Watching the story laid out in this video, it seems clear to me that SEGA/Sonic Team wrote this story knowing it could be the last game in the series, just like you pointed out in towards the end of the video.
I miss playing sonic adventure 2 battle on my GameCube. Good times
55:49 Just like how Shadow is based on the Super Sonic mural, I always thought that the Biolizard was based on the Perfect Chaos mural.
Granted, that doesn't explain why it doesn't look like the other artificial Chaos enemies, but... Well... The Biolizard IS a prototype so maybe, after refocusing on Shadow, they used the Chaos research to create those weaker enemies.
The theory isn't 100% solid, but it's better than having a giant (non-liquid) lizard that has zero connection to All of the other research.
Maybe Gerald used lizards for their regenerative abilities? Ultimate life form is supposed to be unkillable, ageless, capable of regenerating lost limbs and all that.
Maybe it has something to do with froggy? Some other mural that 'mentioned' him and big? And that muddled the Dr's perception of what perfect chaos looked like even if chaos zero was understood?
@@connorschultz380 Areyou saying that there is another mural mentioning Froggy and Big or are you just making things up?
@@JSevion I didn't say there was one /: I was just discussing and thinking of possible answers sense I can't really think of much else
@@connorschultz380 I hear you. Your suggestion is a bit more of a stretch, tho since it's based on nothing rather than something present in the games.
Besides, Froggy is an amphibian. Not a lizard and looks nothing like Biolizard.
26:23 glad to see more people who realize this, this is exactly why I prefer SA2’s hints over SA1.
39:38 - Hey I know that guy!
Ayy! that dude's awesome, he reminds me of you.
sonic adventure 2 is also my fave sonic game
and it really does feel like a final as well if very nearly WAS the grand final of sonic
"In 2019, I decided to replay the Sonic series up to Sonic Heroes, and this is when the click finally happens." So...is there still a chance we'll get a Sonic Unleashed review in the future?
Also, this is my favorite video you've done so far.
I like how the games ties with the classics with South Island on the south of Central City, the Tornado 1 skin in multiplayer, Hidden Palace being Gerald's inspiration for Shadow and the Biolizard and the role of the Master Emerald in the plot
The hidden palace thing has never been confirmed and is a massive stretch
Sonic Adventure 2 will always be a great game to me. It also has, HANDS DOWN, the BEST Sonic theme song EVER.
As in for the game or the character? Not even close on both fronts IMO but they are great
Ah, good ol’ faithful. SA2 has always been my favorite Sonic game. You my good man have produced some quality work.
This was the first Sonic game I ever played. I hold so many awesome memories of the game and I love it. The ending always drives me to tears.
SA2 will always be my favorite 3D Sonic. Like Sonic 2, it takes the best parts of it’s predecessor and improves upon them. The music like almost all Sonic games is really good. And while SA1 had more variety in genre, i still think SA2’s music is more memorable.
I also love how the characters are portrayed in SA2. Tails learns to be more independent and even stands up to and even rival Robotnik. Robotnik himself is at his best here as he’s the most threatening we’ve seen him. And he even shows a more human side at the end. And Shadow, well.. He probably the best written character out of the entire series in SA2 alone.
Honestly, if Sonic as whole ended here, it would’ve been a perfect way to send it off.
All of Knuckles's themes are rap, Rouge's are jazz, and they have music for cutscenes that matches the context and tone of what's happening instead of just playing the hub or character theme, like the ominous and unsettling song that plays when Shadow is explaining the Eclipse Cannon to Eggman, and when Rouge reads Gerald's diary. Also the Chao World themes.
SA2's ost isn't as oversaturated with rock as people act like it is.
Perfect send off
The thing I miss most about the Dreamcast era and which also makes me kinda like 06 is multiple playable characters in main games.
I know this is an ancient comment, but if you enjoyed Sonic 06 definitely check out Project 06, it's a ground up fan remake of the entire game with improved physics and gameplay mechanics. It feels like Adventure 3 straight up, I can't recommend it enough
Final Hazard was always much easier to defeat than Perfect Chaos for me. With Perfect Chaos you need to maintain enough speed in order to damage the boss, which becomes difficult when there are all these attacks & obstacles in the narrow pathways. Final Hazard you just have to run into the weakpoint with the 5 minute time limit being the main threat if you know you can switch places to regain rings. Here's hoping the Sonic Series returns to form in the near future, Sonic Adventure 2 remains the series at its peak after 19 years.
Don’t know why you needed over an hour when all you had to say was ‘Chao Garden’
Or just 6 words
-Chao Garden
-Music
-Controls
-Atmosphere
-Story
-Amazing Levels
@@theminecraft2516 Thats 8 words, not that I disagree with them
Imagine he makes a separate 1 hour video on the Chao Garden
@@cookieblobber I mean Cybershell did...
@TheWalkerman97 Wait wasn't that a 2 hour video?
Platformers are at the BEST when the story is serious and the characters take it serious or are at least aware it's supposed to be serious.
SA2 was the best - the control over the characters was so clean and responsive. The exploration is something thats been missing since too
For those who hate this game, same as I used to, please, PLEASE try playing the Steam version with your own picked mods. Even just swapping the mech physics with Gamma's from SA1, enabling all 3 Emerald shards/Emeralds/keys to be tracked at the same time, and remapping the light speed dash to the top face button, improves the game so much it's not even funny. Then there's texture edits, model improvements, music mods [such as my own pop punk track pack #shamelessplug], the cutscene overhaul, all cutscenes playing in widescreen... Adventure may be my favorite vanilla 3D Sonic game, but Adventure 2 is my favorite modded.
Cutscene Revamp really helps. Level Oddity improves the levels.
Mods shouldn't be needed to make a game good. If you're playing with mods, you're not playing SA2.
@@Laiser Updates shouldn't be needed to make a game good. If you're not playing the day one unpatched rushed out beta build of a game, you're not playing that game.
@@Laiser What the hell? Mods are just there to elevate an experience. However, SA2 has many problems that can be fixed by mods.
Example, the cutscenes in Story Mode are broken, there's a mod to fix them.
@@aortaplatinum
Yeah, I equally agree with that unless the game is free.
SA2 was the third sonic game that I ever played. I personally prefer Adventure 1 more, but this game is still great.
I liked and prefer part 1 more than 2. Adventure 1 is my favorite 3D Sonic game.
Adventure 1 has bad controls, and it's way too complicated to go from stage to stage. I would take SA2 any day over SA1
Favorite Sonic game of all time. The music, stages, tone in story, chao and multiplayer are just unmatched
Holy crap this was such a great review, possibly your best. I’m personally not a big fan of this game but even you made me have more appreciation for SA2 and the impact it’s made on fans of the series
Shadow may not be my favorite, but I'll always like he who is as a character (well, used to be). Yeah, SA2 is my favorite game of all time, as well as the first I ever played, but I didn't really appreciate the series' overall story until a few years back. Growing up, I was also someone who thought Shadow was just the agnsty, edgelord rival, but the guy has some real depth to him that's easily overlooked. Doesn't help that the more recent games do pretty much have Shadow as the agnstly edgelord.
Blame his own game for ruining his own legacy.
@@112deno Folks legitimately wrote to Sega wanting a Sonic game with guns and we got Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) as a result.
Tbh I actually enjoy parts of Shadow's game (guilty pleasure I know) but I blame the warped perceptions of Sega/the fandom. I mean we've had characters use weapons before: Knuckles has his dusters, Bean has his bombs, Amy has her hammer and heck we even had characters use guns; Fang uses rifles, Tails has an arm cannon, Omega is literally a walking arsenal, etc
Somewhere along the lines, guns = overly edgy for Sega and certain parts of the fandom and thus we got Shadow may cry...
@@lynxfresh5214 I didn't mind the atmosphere in that game, it just everything else was overly excited very badly. Plus, did Shadow really need guns? doesn't he have Chaos Spear?
@@lynxfresh5214 Shadow May Cry...you know, a Shadow game that plays like Devil May Cry would actually be a lot of fun.
I think part of the impression about the non-existence of non-Robotnik humans in the original Sonic games is that a lot of the early spinoff media (mainly the first three cartoons and the Archie comics) didn't really have any while having much larger casts of characters (the Archie comics eventually did have more humans, but that was a bit later). None of these spinoffs were canon to the games, but it helped reinforce the perception.
I doubt that the Egg Golem is really Robotnik's creation. It seems that Robotnik did not build his pyramid base, but instead just infiltrated and vandalised an existing pyramid. That explains the angry ghosts. It also explains why the Egg Golem turns on Robotnik once the controlling device is broken and why it's so unlike Robotnik's other robots, being made out of stone instead. The base is actually filled with statues that Robotnik hilariously vandalised to make them look more like him.
With how this game ends and how it was the final sonic game for sega hardware and they didn’t know the future of the company due to financial reasons, i honestly believe this was intended to be the end. Robotnik turning good and the trailers even saying “farewell sonic, forever”. It would of been a great way to go out for sure but boy an i glad sega and sonic didn’t end :)
SA2 was made to be the last game and it shows, while I do love a lot of the stuff in the 2000s and Mania is very additctive, I wouldn't have mind SA2 being the end
I figured sonic 3 and knuckles was the end
Seriously i thought eggman died at the end
Thought he could "vader-fied" after sonic story (though it was just an egg robo) and he got destroyed dueing knuckles story
SA2 is my favourite Sonic game of all time, aswell as my 5th favourite game of all time
Lol same
1. Smash ultimate
2. Minecraft
3. Spider-Man ps4
4.halo reach
5. Sa2
For me
1.smash ultimate
2.dbz fighterz
3.SA2
Hmm lemme see...
1. Sonic adventure 2
2. Sonic generations
3. Sonic 3 & knuckles
4. Sonic 2
5. Sonic the hedgehog (aka. Sonic 1)
0. Sonic '06.
Ken Walkens [Dead Channel] [Canal Morto] your fav game is sonic 06?
@@dantemitsoyu977 no, it's at bottom tier meaning that i don't really like that game as much as the others.
And sonic adventure 2 is my absolute fav.
17:58 after 10+ years of playing this game I never new that spring was there, just goes to show how much love was put into this game.
The Sonic Adventure series is certainly the Super Mario Galaxy of The Sonic series.
They both consist of 2 games on the same console and are to some people considered the peak of their respective franchise and people have nostalgic feelings to them and people desperately want a 3rd game in their series and they were also the games to introduce characters that became fan favorites of their franchises Rosalina for Mario Galaxy and Shadow for Sonic Adventure.
Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite Sonic game and Super Mario Galaxy is my favorite Mario game. “Coincidence? I think not!”
Plz talk about how Professor Gerald based Shadow off of the Super Sonic Mural. There is so much lore there its insane. I NEED THIS PLEASE!
SA2 is my favorite game of all time, this is the video I needed
Try ruby of blue’s review
same here pal
@@cameronedwards4893 I saw his review, it was fantastic
Dark Slayer I know right
You’re joking right, have you played the Knuckles missions this game can’t possible be anyone’s fav of all time relax there jr
This is super well-done; and you go to show that, despite there already being an abundance of fantastic retrospectives on Sonic Adventure 2, there's still plenty more to be said about this game. I think that that goes to show both how amazing SA2 is and also what a fine job you did. (Side note, but I get so choked-up every time I watch "Wishes Are Eternal".) Thanks for sharing.
P.S. I'm 31 years old, and I was introduced to Sonic on the Genesis (which was my first gaming console), and while I love those games (especially Sonic 3 & Knuckles), Sonic Adventure 2 is not only my favorite Sonic game, but one of my favorite video games of-all-time. Despite having its flaws, for me, they were completely overshadowed by the things it did right and with how much personality it executed them.
You can’t lie, E.G.G.M.A.N. is such an absolute bop there’s no way you can’t start bumpin to it
I think it’s interesting to think about a universe where Sonic sacrifices himself instead of Shadow.
Actualy a guy has thought about it! Idr the channel but if you search "What if Sonic died instead of Shadow" you'll find a guy who's created a "what if" scenario of that!
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