The Defender may be better in the mud with deep track marks but he too can't go to places where Jimny can go, I've seen the Jimny used by the rangers from a mountain reservation, it is amazing how it can climb and it's about the only offroad car that is small enough to fit through the narrow path that goes up the mountain.
2:28 you can easily see they were doing this on purpose. the jimny did not HAVE to use the wheel imprints left by the rover. also, the rover seems to be equiped with ATV wheels, while the jimny tested is using standard road tires. the rover has diff locking, jimny it's an addon.
It was written in the iron-clad rule book, you HAVE to straddle the middle ridge. And there are ridges that the Defender wouldn't be able to straddle. Those of us with brains would know to straddle the ditch, not the hump.
You can give it all the lift you want but the diffs are still only 5" off the ground, then try doing this course with 1/2 ton in the back and see how far you get.
@@4wdsome444 You are a fool ! If you put larger diameter wheels on a Suzuki it would hardly drag itself along , what was meant was wider tyres, hence the same diff ground clearance, plus you have the other part of my comment, that it would not do this with anywhere near the load that the Defender can carry.
@@453421abcdefg12345 ln standard form a Defender will outperform a Jimny but when modified a Jimny would be better, l had a LWB SJ 413 with front and rear difflocks, 6.5 to 1 low range transfer gear ratio, a 2" body lift with 30" mud terrain tires, heavy duty drive shafts and clutch and it was better offroad than my 90" Td5 on mud terrains.
@James Gillingham We all know that the defender is a better off roader. The thing was to see how a little jimny could keep up with one of the best. And it did really good :)
Explain to me how a physically larger, heavier vehicle , with a longer wheelbase would "beast" that "shitty car"? Good luck with that. Go back to dreaming about owning a 4x4 in your mum's basement :)
Scott Porteous Actually, the very short track and wheelbase as well as the small front and rear overhangs give it surprisingly good ground clearance. Most modern offroaders that come out of the factory need a bit of lifting and bigger tyres for offroading anyway, since manufacturers know that the majority of buyers will mostly use them on the road and so they are specced that way. All things considered, the Defender is the superior vehicle without a doubt, but if you're after a cheap, reliable and low-maintenance 4x4 that can offroad with the best of them after a few mods, you can't go wrong with the Jimny/Samurai.
Or if you need to tow, or carry a load heavier than a gallon of milk, if you don't want to die in a minor collision, or if you want to sell it and actually make money on the purchase.
Jimny is almost legendary here in Japan. It's a real hardcore off-road SUV that is desirably compact, light, cheap, reliable and fun to drive. there is no other car that could match Jimny.
I recently put a deposit on one but because Aus are only allowing 100 of the 2017 models in to the country, (and 2016's are all sold out) i have to wait 2 months for it to arrive :/
I have to hand it to the Jimny. Had a rental one in Iceland last year with off road tires and it was so much fun to throw it against the volcanic landscape!
Great comparison with two factory specs. From experience lesser weight has a lot to do with greater 4x4 capability, plus maintainance in the long run if its a daily offroader. With the price difference the jimny can have the right lift, proper gearing, diff locks, and all terrain tires to make it more capable.
Can you even get all terrain tyres for a jimney? Didn't really think much of it until I watched this vid but good on the underdog. I'd still have a defender mind
OK. Fair point. You clearly know more about this than I, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I get wound up when people interchange "stress" with "strain" and "force" with "pressure" !!
The Jimny is an epic little car and I have seriously enjoyed driving my friend's one in the off road club, but, the axle differentials do sit rather low to the ground. Smaller wheels and higher profile tyres do help it off road though with a lift kit.
He never mentioned the 2 to 1 low box both in the LR and Jimny or that the LR can tow 3.5 ton making gross train weight of over 6 tons legally. They are both a bit dour on the main road. Thanks for posting.
hello people i was looking to purchase one of these jimnys second hand for my first car would it be bad for the rolling point of view obviously it is slow so you wont have to worry that much about that i guess any tips leave in the comments got insurance around 1800 anually
jervis jagroop If you go on autotrader, you can probably pick up an early 90 or 110 and do twice the things the suzuki would ever dream of doing for around 3k. Also, it kindof... won't fall over.
+Fraser Gordon I doubt a 90 or 110 could do twice the things the Suzuki could, and besides, to make your comment fair you really should have mentioned the fact that you can pick up a used Jimny for £1000...
brynjaminjones You get more car, more reliability, more practicality, more off road performance, more durability, and more stayonitsown4wheels ability. And also, think of the torque figures. A suzuki would be down on power going up a hill.
A Defender 90 weighs about 1700kg, compared with a Suzuki's ~1000kg. the Suzuki will still work out slightly down on power compared with the Defender, but it doesn't seem to hold them back, and isn't as huge a difference as you might think. Also, what on Earth makes you think that a Defender will be more reliable than a Suzuki!? Land rover reliability isn't exactly exemplary, and Jimnys don't seem to have many problems. Again, the off-road performance argument isn't correct. Stock to stock they're not that different, and with a couple of small mods the Suzuki could easily do everything a Defender could, yet still not cost as much! It makes me laugh how so many Land Rover people will argue to the death that their rattly old uncomfortable box is the most capable, reliable, all round best vehicle in the world, just because they don't like to admit that there are plenty of other vehicles out there that are equally capable with better reliability, and that actually offer a little bit of comfort at the same time!
I'm not going any further into this argument with you after this. From my experience, Suzukis are just as capable off road whilst being far cheaper. Everybody I know with a Land Rover has also had reliability issues, whilst the only issues I've seen with Suzukis have been a direct result of hard abuse. Don't get me wrong, I think Defenders are capable, but I'm fed up of this stuck up attitude that most of their owners have towards other brands. At every off roading event I've ever been to, the Land Rover owners wouldn't talk to anyone but each other, whilst all the other brands took interest in each other's vehicles. The moment you mention terms like "Jap crap" I know you're just butthurt that somebody doesn't like your Defender. Don't give me your bullshit about not being able to afford a Defender either. You don't know me, and don't realise that I currently own 2x 4 litre petrol 4x4s, and have been daily driving them for the last four years since the age of 18. And regardless of whether or not I could afford a Defender, it's still an irrelevant comment from somebody who has done his bit to add to the stereotype of Land Rover owners being arrogant, stuck up arseholes. I know they're not all like that, but you're not helping. Also, weight information came from here: www.liveridge4x4.com/Facts/ If I can read correctly, the weight of a D90 seems to be 1602-1727kg, no?
As a defender owner and lover, Jimnys are fucking awesome. Good off road, nice to work on, fairly comfortable, surprisingly difficult to roll (we tried), can fit them through some 2 post road signs. All good stuff. Just a mini defender, but unfortunately with quite a lot of depreciation.
Love both, but LR is now nearly 2 tons. Back in 1947 it was a Jeep replacement and weighed less than 1200kg. Perhaps it's time for LR to bring out a Jimny-type lightweight. But no, they won't since wealthy Americans and Russians won't pay 75000USD for one. Britain, my country, what has happened?
the Jimny is very capable for "playing" off-road. lets load our equipment and bugout / camping gear, Gas bottles, long range diesel tanks, Jerry Cans, Water tanks, Roof-Top tents, potjies, spades, axes, 2 spare wheels, hook a trailer, and then do the same test... See the Jimny was meant for dropping kids at school, and play at the local off-road track. the Defender was meant for use in the military, serious off-roading, very far tours, and dropping the kids off at school. it is interesting to see them in a comparison test, but in the real world, the Defender can easily keep up with what a Jimny was intended for, but, the Jimny can never ever keep up with what the Defender was intended for. The Jimny is smaller, and cost less, but the differences does not stop just there..
Defender is pretty good, I think only a few off road cars can outperformed it.. but Jimny, with a little bit of adjustment (winch, tyres) can go wherever the defender can
I have a Defender 110 and son-in-law has a Suzuki Sierra with 2in lift and it goes everywhere and usually easier especially on the soft sands of Oz beaches. It is easy to fix, easy to get parts and costs bugger-all. While I love my Defender, the Suzuki is brilliant fun and more than a match for the big blokes.
Does anyone know why Autocar magazine has never published this in the mag? I think it is really odd, almost as if Landrover have leaned on them to prevent publication. It's really obvious their tester loves the Jimny but the magazine does not even list the car under its new car guide section. Very strange.
Stress and pressure are identical terms. i.e. force/area e.g. PSI. Strain is the % that something stretches. A 10cm elastic band stretched by +1cm has a strain of 10%.
yea I have a defender yet I must admit that the Lada Niva is it equal designed as a tool to reach those extreme places without bothering about a hard maintenace , same low consumption great 4X4 makes me remember that I'm crazy to buy one of these to bad that those are rare in my country
I dragged a seized up Ford 4000 tractor with my sj 410 ,iv owned and driven series landrovers for over 25 years and was astonished at the reliability and robustness of the Suzuki which I bought for 125 pounds as an mot failure ,I would have thought twice at dragging the tractor with a landrovers for fear of breaking something,I think we can all agree that with decent tyres and good technique you can get most 4x4 ' s to go anywhere
You think something would break in the defender!? When the series 1 came out which was the weakest of the landrover rand there was a video of it pulling a 16ton military plane... We had a Jimmy SJ410 once, put the 1.3 in and broke the gearbox and after replacing that the front half shaft twisted..
The power is fine because the weight is so low. You need bigger tyres to raise the diffs higher, which needs a raised ride height to clear the arches but essentially that just changes where you get stuck and makes recovery harder when you do. Mine is standard apart from the tyres and amazing fun off road.
Very simple. 1 - The Landy is on much more agressive tyres. 2 - the Jimny only beaches where deep ruts have been cut by Landies - just like a LR can't go where tractors have cut the ground. On virgin ground and equal tyres the Jimny will go places where the LR just won't - not least because of size and turning circle. I regularly drive both and the only advantage the LR has is towing ability and room in the back - beyond that the Jimny is all you need.
Both are capable off roaders. A person who have money to buy Defender will probably won't buy the Jimny, and who buys Jimny probably didn't have enough money to buy the Landy
believe me it's not the tires that really let the Jimmy down. It's the ride height. Yes, the defender has an advantage with all terrains but you could put Trepadors on the Jimny and it still wouldn't follow the defender - its just too low in stock form for some stuff. Give it a lift and some 31's and it'd go anywhere though!
Rented a Jimny on Tortola, BVI..Loved it,,perfect car for for uneven, narrow Island roads...Wish they had them for rent in the USVI...Don't sell them here in the US,,,but wouldn't be the best for hours of droning on 65-75 mph interstates in the US...
Overlooking the tyre difference smacks of a proscribed outcome to me. But it should also be noted the Jimny has more room for the driver. I'm a large guy and there's more room for me in the Jimny than there is in the Defender. I wanted a Defender pretty hard for a long time then the opportunity came up when a ran a fleet of emergency vehicles including Defenders, mostly Landcruiser's though. I jumped into one ready to love it and have probably never been so disappointed in a car. The handbrake was jammed into my left thigh and the whole right hand side of my body was pressed into the door card and handles, and to cap it off the vision was very ordinary and it was just cramped and an unpleasant place to be. I've been and driven a 2019 Jimny since and it has more room for me than the Defender did, better use of the space and a rational ergonomic layout. Sad to say the Defender is just horrible to be in. I've bought the Jimny and the first drive will 500m down the road to the tyre shop for some good AT's, Bridgestone AT697's, it's what I run on my current fleet of 4x4 and utilities.
Totally agree with you RecklessAdventure, James Gillingham, this wasn't a fair test but Land Rovers do make the best 4x4 and Tata in general do build some great cars! The range of available upgrades for the defender is never ending as well, unlike the Jimny. The stats of the Defender is also better, wading depth, Ground clearance, torque. Also the defender can go further on a single tank of fuel hich is important on an off road safari. People saying that they’ve passed Defenders on trails, we all know that you’re either lying or that the defender has been in trouble as a result of the driver and not the vehicles off road capabilities. I’ve been on many SERIOUS trails where only defenders (Not even the discoveries would make it) and custom kit off roaders have managed to pass. Also it’s the status of having a defender and owning one, you wake up knowing that your cars ready for almost anything and that it’s not going to break down. A defender looks right anywhere, place it on top of Mount Everest and it looks worthy of being there! Also a Jimny with scratches and dents doesn’t look right, on a defender, they’re just battle scares that add the legendary skills of the defender. Also this video didn't show the vehicles Articulations or on a rock crawling section. Which the Jimny would of never had a chance with its independent suspension system and no locking diffs or low range.
It's worth noting these cars were "as supplied" from factory so indeed one could argue the Jimny is better... After forking out for muddies, diff locks and a lift kit. Defender came as standard with all terrains and a centre diff lock. In saying that though, can't go past the price of a Jimny though. The little plucky offroader does pretty good. (Coming from a Defender owner)
And still Autocar magazine in the UK do not even list it! Why not? By the way Landrovers are great for pulling heavier loads and yanking out tree trunks. The Suzuki was not designed to do that, it's just a great wee all terrain vehicle. Liked my Landies too!
Wow. Alex does really good reviews back when he worked with Autocar. Its a shame he is stuck doing comedy crap now with CT as this style suits him so much more.
Not really fair; the Defender is on All Terrain tires, and the Jimny is on standard road tires. That makes a huge difference. Test it with the same tires.
Why are people saying lift the sj,put this kinda tyre on it and diff locks etc the defender is better off road end of story do the same to the Landy and it’ll beat just about anything if you throw enough money at it jeez
some people would thake the 1300cc to 1600cc by enlarge the cilinders and put the gearbox of the 1100cc engine and lift it up a little bit. i am more of defender fan (110 version with the 5.9 cummins :) but the jimny with the right mods it's excellent.
I wonder if those who say the Jimny is rubbish have ever really used one properly? I have owned several short wheel base Landrovers and Jimnys and currently have a 2012 hardtop Jimny. It is surprisingly good both on and off road. Reliability and component strength is good. Just look at all those CZcams videos. A toy it is not.
If you enjoyed watching these off-road heroes, then check out our mega group-test of the best 4x4's of 2017: czcams.com/video/t5nPt6cHIe8/video.html
Autocar
What? I was not at all expecting Alex here from Car Throttle.
Autocar it's JIMMY NOT JIMNY
At least put the same tires on both....
Daniel Plonka it's definitely not.
Richard Holden Do you now anything about cars
Didn't expect to see Alex from CarThrottle on here
+Oscar Parkin-Christie I'm thinking about buying a Jimny soon, but shhhhh! ;)
+Alex Kersten do it you won't regret it
Mybe this before carthrottle was release
+Alex Kersten why not the DEFENDER?
Oscar Parkin-Christie me too
The Defender may be better in the mud with deep track marks but he too can't go to places where Jimny can go, I've seen the Jimny used by the rangers from a mountain reservation, it is amazing how it can climb and it's about the only offroad car that is small enough to fit through the narrow path that goes up the mountain.
Here after the 500quid off roader challenge on carthrottle?)
Yup
all-terrains on the defender and road tyres on the Jimmy?
my point exactly, the tyres on jimny are not off-road worthy. some good all-terrains and jimny wouldn't get stuck.
The defender has all terrain tires as standard
It would if it's getting high-centred (due to lack of ground clearance), as in the video.
Not bad for street tires.
Yes, should have been mentioned in the video.
This is Alex before Car Throttle? LOL! Great video though.
2:28 you can easily see they were doing this on purpose. the jimny did not HAVE to use the wheel imprints left by the rover. also, the rover seems to be equiped with ATV wheels, while the jimny tested is using standard road tires. the rover has diff locking, jimny it's an addon.
It was written in the iron-clad rule book, you HAVE to straddle the middle ridge. And there are ridges that the Defender wouldn't be able to straddle. Those of us with brains would know to straddle the ditch, not the hump.
Winch, better tires, few inches of lift, the jimny would be virtually unstoppable
You can give it all the lift you want but the diffs are still only 5" off the ground, then try doing this course with 1/2 ton in the back and see how far you get.
So,if it does not fit your driving style buy a another car. Buy the way what do you drive, be honest!
@@453421abcdefg12345 no because he said put bigger better tyres on it you moron
@@4wdsome444 You are a fool ! If you put larger diameter wheels on a Suzuki it would hardly drag itself along , what was meant was wider tyres, hence the same diff ground clearance, plus you have the other part of my comment, that it would not do this with anywhere near the load that the Defender can carry.
@@453421abcdefg12345 ln standard form a Defender will outperform a Jimny but when modified a Jimny would be better, l had a LWB SJ 413 with front and rear difflocks, 6.5 to 1 low range transfer gear ratio, a 2" body lift with 30" mud terrain tires, heavy duty drive shafts and clutch and it was better offroad than my 90" Td5 on mud terrains.
@James Gillingham We all know that the defender is a better off roader. The thing was to see how a little jimny could keep up with one of the best. And it did really good :)
This was my favorite video on YT as a kid.
The Jimny in this video is on road tyres. The Defender is on ATs. There's your difference in off road ability.
There is really no difference tbh
xS1KProdution Obviously you've never driven off road if you think ATs make no difference.
phatvortex tires make one of the biggest difference in offroad driving but the deffender would still beast in every way compered to that shitty car
Explain to me how a physically larger, heavier vehicle , with a longer wheelbase would "beast" that "shitty car"? Good luck with that. Go back to dreaming about owning a 4x4 in your mum's basement :)
+Mike Elliott larger so better storage and usability,
With diff locks and mud tyres the Jimny will go anywhere the Defender can.
Except anywhere where ground clearance is needed
Scott Porteous Actually, the very short track and wheelbase as well as the small front and rear overhangs give it surprisingly good ground clearance. Most modern offroaders that come out of the factory need a bit of lifting and bigger tyres for offroading anyway, since manufacturers know that the majority of buyers will mostly use them on the road and so they are specced that way.
All things considered, the Defender is the superior vehicle without a doubt, but if you're after a cheap, reliable and low-maintenance 4x4 that can offroad with the best of them after a few mods, you can't go wrong with the Jimny/Samurai.
Or if you need to tow, or carry a load heavier than a gallon of milk, if you don't want to die in a minor collision, or if you want to sell it and actually make money on the purchase.
Then put diff locks and mud tyres on the defender and see where that can go!!! Bye bye suzuki
@@Blackfourtrak then compare prices.. Bye bye defender
Jimny is almost legendary here in Japan.
It's a real hardcore off-road SUV that is desirably compact, light, cheap, reliable and fun to drive. there is no other car that could match Jimny.
The Suzuki Jimny is going to be my next car in the future Its a great little machine
Same here... I bought one in May, couldn't be happier!
I recently put a deposit on one but because Aus are only allowing 100 of the 2017 models in to the country, (and 2016's are all sold out) i have to wait 2 months for it to arrive :/
Defender hands down...but the Jimny is pretty impressive for a tiny car
This actually made my day
I will check them out now. Thanks
I have to hand it to the Jimny. Had a rental one in Iceland last year with off road tires and it was so much fun to throw it against the volcanic landscape!
any idea where i can the music used here? i figure its custom but no harm putting the question out there.
Great comparison with two factory specs. From experience lesser weight has a lot to do with greater 4x4 capability, plus maintainance in the long run if its a daily offroader. With the price difference the jimny can have the right lift, proper gearing, diff locks, and all terrain tires to make it more capable.
Why did they not fit all terrain tyres on the Jimmy like on the landy.
Nice review, if it was my money I'd take the Jimny. Always loved that little cute off-roader!
Im a Defender driver and whenever I go off road I am always impressed with the Zooks. Not comparable to a Defender but very capable.
I would like to see the same test but with the Land Rover with low profile street tires and the Suzuki with high profile mud tires.
me too
he said it right, wont always keep up with the defender, but you'll have a lot of fun trying! awesome cars good short review
Can you even get all terrain tyres for a jimney? Didn't really think much of it until I watched this vid but good on the underdog. I'd still have a defender mind
Does the Jimny have the same problem as the Samurai, flipping over when cornering
OK. Fair point. You clearly know more about this than I, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge.
I get wound up when people interchange "stress" with "strain" and "force" with "pressure" !!
12900 VS 39000
The Jimny is an epic little car and I have seriously enjoyed driving my friend's one in the off road club, but, the axle differentials do sit rather low to the ground. Smaller wheels and higher profile tyres do help it off road though with a lift kit.
He never mentioned the 2 to 1 low box both in the LR and Jimny or that the LR can tow 3.5 ton making gross train weight of over 6 tons legally. They are both a bit dour on the main road. Thanks for posting.
hello people i was looking to purchase one of these jimnys second hand for my first car would it be bad for the rolling point of view obviously it is slow so you wont have to worry that much about that i guess any tips leave in the comments got insurance around 1800 anually
With some adjustable coilovers and off road tires the Jimny would beat the defender and still cost less
jervis jagroop If you go on autotrader, you can probably pick up an early 90 or 110 and do twice the things the suzuki would ever dream of doing for around 3k. Also, it kindof... won't fall over.
+Fraser Gordon
I doubt a 90 or 110 could do twice the things the Suzuki could, and besides, to make your comment fair you really should have mentioned the fact that you can pick up a used Jimny for £1000...
brynjaminjones
You get more car, more reliability, more practicality, more off road performance, more durability, and more stayonitsown4wheels ability. And also, think of the torque figures. A suzuki would be down on power going up a hill.
A Defender 90 weighs about 1700kg, compared with a Suzuki's ~1000kg. the Suzuki will still work out slightly down on power compared with the Defender, but it doesn't seem to hold them back, and isn't as huge a difference as you might think.
Also, what on Earth makes you think that a Defender will be more reliable than a Suzuki!? Land rover reliability isn't exactly exemplary, and Jimnys don't seem to have many problems.
Again, the off-road performance argument isn't correct. Stock to stock they're not that different, and with a couple of small mods the Suzuki could easily do everything a Defender could, yet still not cost as much!
It makes me laugh how so many Land Rover people will argue to the death that their rattly old uncomfortable box is the most capable, reliable, all round best vehicle in the world, just because they don't like to admit that there are plenty of other vehicles out there that are equally capable with better reliability, and that actually offer a little bit of comfort at the same time!
I'm not going any further into this argument with you after this.
From my experience, Suzukis are just as capable off road whilst being far cheaper.
Everybody I know with a Land Rover has also had reliability issues, whilst the only issues I've seen with Suzukis have been a direct result of hard abuse.
Don't get me wrong, I think Defenders are capable, but I'm fed up of this stuck up attitude that most of their owners have towards other brands.
At every off roading event I've ever been to, the Land Rover owners wouldn't talk to anyone but each other, whilst all the other brands took interest in each other's vehicles.
The moment you mention terms like "Jap crap" I know you're just butthurt that somebody doesn't like your Defender.
Don't give me your bullshit about not being able to afford a Defender either. You don't know me, and don't realise that I currently own 2x 4 litre petrol 4x4s, and have been daily driving them for the last four years since the age of 18. And regardless of whether or not I could afford a Defender, it's still an irrelevant comment from somebody who has done his bit to add to the stereotype of Land Rover owners being arrogant, stuck up arseholes. I know they're not all like that, but you're not helping.
Also, weight information came from here: www.liveridge4x4.com/Facts/
If I can read correctly, the weight of a D90 seems to be 1602-1727kg, no?
Do you think the Lada Niva would be a good challenger?
Thanks for your contribution, but in the video they mention that the Land Rover has "All-Terrain" tyres and the Jimny "Standard Road" tyres.
As a defender owner and lover, Jimnys are fucking awesome. Good off road, nice to work on, fairly comfortable, surprisingly difficult to roll (we tried), can fit them through some 2 post road signs. All good stuff. Just a mini defender, but unfortunately with quite a lot of depreciation.
Love both, but LR is now nearly 2 tons. Back in 1947 it was a Jeep replacement and weighed less than 1200kg. Perhaps it's time for LR to bring out a Jimny-type lightweight. But no, they won't since wealthy Americans and Russians won't pay 75000USD for one. Britain, my country, what has happened?
the Jimny is very capable for "playing" off-road. lets load our equipment and bugout / camping gear, Gas bottles, long range diesel tanks, Jerry Cans, Water tanks, Roof-Top tents, potjies, spades, axes, 2 spare wheels, hook a trailer, and then do the same test... See the Jimny was meant for dropping kids at school, and play at the local off-road track. the Defender was meant for use in the military, serious off-roading, very far tours, and dropping the kids off at school. it is interesting to see them in a comparison test, but in the real world, the Defender can easily keep up with what a Jimny was intended for, but, the Jimny can never ever keep up with what the Defender was intended for. The Jimny is smaller, and cost less, but the differences does not stop just there..
How expensive would a defender be as a first car??? And what kind of MPG would it do???
Why defender got ceramic coating?
Come and see my Jimny on my channel... this IS what you can do !
Nothing better than Jimny's and Samurai's for offroading; especially for low budget.
Does Jimny have diff locker ?
A Suzuki samurai will go just about anywhere [OIIIIIO]
How often can you say you have a rwd Suzuki?
For the price of the Defender you just get better tires, a turbo and taller suspension for the Jimny and you're set.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind
Defender is pretty good, I think only a few off road cars can outperformed it.. but Jimny, with a little bit of adjustment (winch, tyres) can go wherever the defender can
I have a Defender 110 and son-in-law has a Suzuki Sierra with 2in lift and it goes everywhere and usually easier especially on the soft sands of Oz beaches. It is easy to fix, easy to get parts and costs bugger-all. While I love my Defender, the Suzuki is brilliant fun and more than a match for the big blokes.
This dude has more subs than autocar now😂😂
Does anyone know why Autocar magazine has never published this in the mag? I think it is really odd, almost as if Landrover have leaned on them to prevent publication. It's really obvious their tester loves the Jimny but the magazine does not even list the car under its new car guide section. Very strange.
@autocar: More Off-Road Tests PLEASE!!! :D
I have a Jimny and happy with it !
Like the host, would love to see him more on autocar. Not a boring family father telling you that the backseats are tiny...
how its on Snow ?
Where is this playground??? I want to go there...
And still Autocar do not even list the Jimny at the back of their excellent magazine. Anyone know why that is?
good point
how can you call them off road tyres ???
actually a massive amount of the defenders made are still in use today it one of the most reliable 4x4s very simple car
Stress and pressure are identical terms. i.e. force/area e.g. PSI.
Strain is the % that something stretches. A 10cm elastic band stretched by +1cm has a strain of 10%.
yea I have a defender yet I must admit that the Lada Niva is it equal designed as a tool to reach those extreme places without bothering about a hard maintenace , same low consumption great 4X4 makes me remember that I'm crazy to buy one of these to bad that those are rare in my country
I dragged a seized up Ford 4000 tractor with my sj 410 ,iv owned and driven series landrovers for over 25 years and was astonished at the reliability and robustness of the Suzuki which I bought for 125 pounds as an mot failure ,I would have thought twice at dragging the tractor with a landrovers for fear of breaking something,I think we can all agree that with decent tyres and good technique you can get most 4x4 ' s to go anywhere
You think something would break in the defender!? When the series 1 came out which was the weakest of the landrover rand there was a video of it pulling a 16ton military plane... We had a Jimmy SJ410 once, put the 1.3 in and broke the gearbox and after replacing that the front half shaft twisted..
OMG I knew I recognized that voice! It’s Alex!
u can put 1.8 engine...how we put in jimny in UAE
Yep, people also put Ls1/2/3's in the old ones.
Still would go for the defender I mean it's such an old lovely model.
You're correct my friend. I wonder though how much it would cost to do it.
The power is fine because the weight is so low. You need bigger tyres to raise the diffs higher, which needs a raised ride height to clear the arches but essentially that just changes where you get stuck and makes recovery harder when you do. Mine is standard apart from the tyres and amazing fun off road.
Very simple. 1 - The Landy is on much more agressive tyres. 2 - the Jimny only beaches where deep ruts have been cut by Landies - just like a LR can't go where tractors have cut the ground. On virgin ground and equal tyres the Jimny will go places where the LR just won't - not least because of size and turning circle. I regularly drive both and the only advantage the LR has is towing ability and room in the back - beyond that the Jimny is all you need.
In fact the Jimny can do a hundred mph. But it's only for the brave ones.
New Jimny much better !
put a 3 in lift kit on 2 in body kit with a set of BFG mud tryes on and then seen what it can do
Both are capable off roaders. A person who have money to buy Defender will probably won't buy the Jimny, and who buys Jimny probably didn't have enough money to buy the Landy
You can raise the ride height of a jimny though, I believe. There's one near where I live that looks significantly raised
believe me it's not the tires that really let the Jimmy down. It's the ride height. Yes, the defender has an advantage with all terrains but you could put Trepadors on the Jimny and it still wouldn't follow the defender - its just too low in stock form for some stuff. Give it a lift and some 31's and it'd go anywhere though!
of them. For cruising the safari or offroading most peoples choice is the G550
Rented a Jimny on Tortola, BVI..Loved it,,perfect car for for uneven, narrow Island roads...Wish they had them for rent in the USVI...Don't sell them here in the US,,,but wouldn't be the best for hours of droning on 65-75 mph interstates in the US...
The main difference is that a Jimny rusts like buggery and a LR doesn't. The LR works better as a vacuum cleaner too.
hahaha alex was still calm during this vid... didn't expect to see him though,
Yet small Suzukis are the preferred weapon of choice in many off road competitions.
You can go anywhere with both of the cars if the little suzuki increase the highride little bit more and right tiers.
Overlooking the tyre difference smacks of a proscribed outcome to me. But it should also be noted the Jimny has more room for the driver. I'm a large guy and there's more room for me in the Jimny than there is in the Defender. I wanted a Defender pretty hard for a long time then the opportunity came up when a ran a fleet of emergency vehicles including Defenders, mostly Landcruiser's though. I jumped into one ready to love it and have probably never been so disappointed in a car. The handbrake was jammed into my left thigh and the whole right hand side of my body was pressed into the door card and handles, and to cap it off the vision was very ordinary and it was just cramped and an unpleasant place to be. I've been and driven a 2019 Jimny since and it has more room for me than the Defender did, better use of the space and a rational ergonomic layout. Sad to say the Defender is just horrible to be in. I've bought the Jimny and the first drive will 500m down the road to the tyre shop for some good AT's, Bridgestone AT697's, it's what I run on my current fleet of 4x4 and utilities.
Alex?
Didn't expect you here...
Totally agree with you RecklessAdventure, James Gillingham, this wasn't a fair test but Land Rovers do make the best 4x4 and Tata in general do build some great cars! The range of available upgrades for the defender is never ending as well, unlike the Jimny. The stats of the Defender is also better, wading depth, Ground clearance, torque. Also the defender can go further on a single tank of fuel hich is important on an off road safari. People saying that they’ve passed Defenders on trails, we all know that you’re either lying or that the defender has been in trouble as a result of the driver and not the vehicles off road capabilities. I’ve been on many SERIOUS trails where only defenders (Not even the discoveries would make it) and custom kit off roaders have managed to pass. Also it’s the status of having a defender and owning one, you wake up knowing that your cars ready for almost anything and that it’s not going to break down. A defender looks right anywhere, place it on top of Mount Everest and it looks worthy of being there! Also a Jimny with scratches and dents doesn’t look right, on a defender, they’re just battle scares that add the legendary skills of the defender. Also this video didn't show the vehicles Articulations or on a rock crawling section. Which the Jimny would of never had a chance with its independent suspension system and no locking diffs or low range.
And I think I see what you mean. The engine was under "stress" going up the hill as opposed to strain, no?
Can't find the force one though
Are those defenders reliable ? I know landrovers have a bad reputation on reliability, but I'd think defenders are an exception
It's worth noting these cars were "as supplied" from factory so indeed one could argue the Jimny is better... After forking out for muddies, diff locks and a lift kit. Defender came as standard with all terrains and a centre diff lock. In saying that though, can't go past the price of a Jimny though. The little plucky offroader does pretty good. (Coming from a Defender owner)
And still Autocar magazine in the UK do not even list it! Why not? By the way Landrovers are great for pulling heavier loads and yanking out tree trunks. The Suzuki was not designed to do that, it's just a great wee all terrain vehicle. Liked my Landies too!
I've towed many a Jimney out of the mud all over the UK. Fun value for money but hardly a direct comparison for a Defender.
Fair review, pmsl, at tyres v road tyres on 2 completely different vehicles, mind you im suprised the dedender didnt break down- bonnet up club lol
Who doesn't put lift kits on 4x4s there for axing any issue this video has
I tried to tow a 109 back on road once with a Suzuki Samurai (40 km away from the main road).
It didn't work.
Thats cool man.
Wow. Alex does really good reviews back when he worked with Autocar. Its a shame he is stuck doing comedy crap now with CT as this style suits him so much more.
+CAElite ikr... it would be great so see a few comedic videos funny for 14 year olds and mostly legit ones like this,
Not really fair; the Defender is on All Terrain tires, and the Jimny is on standard road tires. That makes a huge difference. Test it with the same tires.
Why are people saying lift the sj,put this kinda tyre on it and diff locks etc the defender is better off road end of story do the same to the Landy and it’ll beat just about anything if you throw enough money at it jeez
The Defender is using it's standard tyres, as is the Jimny. It's a totally fair comparison.
some people would thake the 1300cc to 1600cc by enlarge the cilinders and put the gearbox of the 1100cc engine and lift it up a little bit. i am more of defender fan (110 version with the 5.9 cummins :) but the jimny with the right mods it's excellent.
The landy has the normal tires sold on it from new by land rover?!
I wonder if those who say the Jimny is rubbish have ever really used one properly? I have owned several short wheel base Landrovers and Jimnys and currently have a 2012 hardtop Jimny. It is surprisingly good both on and off road. Reliability and component strength is good. Just look at all those CZcams videos. A toy it is not.
I think it's because that's what the car is sold on... so as factory comparison it's actually perfectly fair.