The Legend of Kyle Katarn (STAR WARS LORE)
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- What's the story behind this Jedi survivor from Star Wars Legends? Kyle Katarn is a soldier from the battlefront and self-taught Jedi Knight. We deep-dive into the Kyle iceberg... From stealing Death Star plans to battling the Imperial Remnant, and living on the edge of both sides of the Force™.
00:00 Intro
01:10 Prologue
05:36 Dark Forces
11:08 Dark Forces II
25:07 Mysteries of the Sith
28:32 Jedi Outcast
47:36 Jedi Academy
1:00:37 Epilogue
1:04:13 Outro
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While being just as overly powerful as Rey and starkiller, Kyle always had something they really didn’t have, an ocean of charm and charisma. He will always be canon in my heart.
Based.
🤠
To be fair to Starkiller, when you’re trained purely as a Sith Assassin for over a decade, charisma and social interaction wouldn’t be you’re forte. I’m not saying you’re wrong with your statement, you’re not btw, though the reasoning for it does make more sense in comparison to Rey, who wasn’t under the same constraints
@@Leftylt1234 yeah I get that, I still like starkiller, he gains more of a personality as the story goes on which is perfect for a character like him gaining identity, if he got to progress more the way Kyle did I think he would be more appreciated in the fandom. Still has yards on rey for me, because yeah, at least starkiller had training.
@@pajamapantsjack5874 agreed, it’s unfortunate his life was cut short during the events of The Force Unleashed
The thing about khyle is that he was at least trained AND had personality. Rey had neither.
-Has cool Jedi powers
-Shoots lasers
-Murders People
-Breaks the law
-Has an Asian waifu
Truly Kyle Katarn was a hero from before Star Wars was completely lame.
Is this really the epitome of supreme character development?
@@AshanBhatoa nah, he's just really cool
He has his struggles, though.
why kyle success
and rey failed?
@@joshuagraham2843 Kyle is a genuine character with an arc who is also a wish fulfillment fantasy. Rey is some kind of magical agenda engine who does whatever she needs to do to fit in with a predetermined narrative the writers had at her inception.
@@fmsyntheses Kyle: Is That Guy
Rey: Says she’s a Bad Bitch, But like, Who Cares? And what does Being a Bad Bitch even Mean?
The Katarn saga is the true canon of what happened after Episode VI.
Amen to that. All I wanted in the Sequels was just a glimpse of Kyle, maybe just walking past at some point. Instead we got... the Last Jedi 🤮
@@tedpetch6180 On the bright side: since they completely nuked the EU they weren't able to ruin him with their shoddy writing. He lives on in our hearts, untainted.
Then the Thrawn trilogy is the sequel to the Katarn Saga :P
and somehow should've included DELTA Squad.
As much as I enjoyed Rogue One, Kyle is still the guy who got the Death Star plans in my mind.
Imagine Cassian Andor turned out to be Kyle Katarn. Maybe Kyle used an alias to survive in the galaxy and that eventually he doesn’t hide his real name. And eventually accepts having force powers. And learns both sides of the force. Used to survive on his own.
It's pretty clear rogue one tried to copy the dark forces game, like Jyn Eros? she is basically a carbon copy of Jan but worse and less interesting.
@@Gdsryrox Agree. There are a bunch of similarities.
@@Gdsryrox Jan Ors. Jyn Erso. Fuck, now I can't unsee it and I'm mad.
@@Dovah21 Yes most of Dinsey's 'new' character are just rip off of EU Ones.
Rey is just a bad self-insert version of Jaina and Kylo is an emo 'you don't understand me dad' version of Jacen. Like for real all of Rey's skills make sense for Jaina, knowing the Millennium falcon inside out, being able to speak to Chewbacca, and force powers/skills.
Jyn Erso is a rip-off and unironically white-washed Jan Ors. Techanlilly Andor could be seen as just a dumbed-down version of Kyle Katarn.
Kanan from Rebels can also be seen as a younger if but still bootleg version of Kota from Force Unleashed, even copied the 'omg I'm now blind but feeeeeeeeeeeel through the force' stick.
This is why expanded universe of the old days still holds up. Unforgettable characters with bold and diverse backgrounds, a well written plot involving them . This is something Disney simply can't understand or refuses to see. Kyle katarn, mara jade, Jaden korr, the solo twins will live on no matter what Disney does
It's not that Disney doesn't understand all of this. There is just no source material.
*BA DUM TSS*
Well written? Eh it’s meh at best (still fun tho)
There's a reason disney wiped out the old canon to start fresh. There was so much shit all over the place that contradicted everything. It got way too out of hand. Better to start new and bring in choice Legends content slowly to make sure everything is consistent
@@nathangoaterman8098 then proceed to shit all over the place with contractions to each other. In the decade Dinsey has had star wars their own expanded material has become just as conveluded as the EU was. Sure the EU wasn't perfect but the air of ambiguity allowed for the community to naturally filter in what became canon, meanwhile with Dinesy everyone is trying to upstage each other and have their stories 'be the total actual legitimate canon'.
They’re literally doing this timeline with Moff Gideon
This is one of the most consistently humorous videos I have ever seen. The quality of the editing, Saintmillion's consistently high quality narration, and the perfect balance of jokes to lore have really nailed it.
"punches him to death in the ass" had me cracking up
"Heh, Darkside? I've been there. DO. YOUR. WORST." - *Kyle Katarn,* coolest space lazer man around.
"I've been married"
dark side: oh,
Kyle: twice.
dark side: AAAHHH
desann throwing the "join me" line and kyle just throws it right back with sass
Lmao at all the Rosh voiceclips. His VA has been in everything - he's Max Goof and Erik in Skyrim. AND Gearhead in Static Shock
Betting on some MYRON BABY to up the sleaze
He is also Sigurd who works for belethor at his shop
Had me confused on second then laughing the next, excellent editing
Brejik from Kotor too, right?
Thats actually quite hilarious
An absolute Legend, will never die.
These could've been the new films.
@@lucascoval828 we can preserve it for the next generation
canon
He will always be canon to me.
@@lucascoval828 Sadly, no. George Lucas never considered most of the expanded universe to be canon, and the sequels he had roughly laid out didn't involve much of the EU, nor did they work in the continuity of the EU.
Kyle Katarn and the Jedi Knight games are the reason I hold onto the EU so tightly.
I tried to get into the new expanded content but the EU made up so much of my childhood I just didn't see the point.
If it can be made non-canon once, it can be made non-canon again.
Can you recommend decent comics of the pre-Disney era? I want to start, but I can't determine the starting point. It's hard to figure out.
@@Jackfromshack Not a comic kind of guy I'm afraid. Can highly recommend Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy as an EU book series.
@@Jackfromshack Depends what you're into, there are comics from :
The Old Republic : the famous Tales of the Jedi, and Knights of the Old Republic comics.
The Prequels : Star Wars Republic comics (that were kinda retconned with The Clone Wars, but still have very interesting stories).
The transition to the Empire : Star Wars Dark Times (act as a sequel to Republic comics but can be read standalone), there are also the legends Darth Vader stories, I'd recommend Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison.
Galactic Civil War : there are the classic star wars comics (very old and finicky with the artstyle and canon, but contains some fun tidbits), Splinter of the Mind's Eye (similar thing), Star Wars Rebellion comics (kinda meh).
Post-RotJ : like Star Wars Rogue Squadron (a follow up to the first Star Wars X-Wing novel, actually most of the X-Wing novel series is a good read for people interested Star Wars Legends), Star Wars Thrawn trilogy comic adaptation (if you didn't read the excellent novels), and most importantly Star Wars Legacy (an entirely new era, could be read on its own).
This is far from being an exhaustive list, but it contains some good Star Wars Legends comics.
@@AAhmou thank you very much!
@A. Ahmou Empire/Rebellion had some amazing arcs, come to think of it, the two best arcs both involve Luke's childhood friends:Biggs Darklighter and the mentioned but never before seen Tank.
That scene in the bar where he says "I'm no Jedi, just a guy with some questions and a lightsaber" will always live in my memory. One of my faves Jedi up there with Anakin Solo, Cal and Legends Luke.
You really captured his magic and charm in this video. So cheers, I will enjoy this video many times over!
Anakin Solo really one of the greats. His end is one of the most emotional moments in all star wars
Bartender: Sure. Many peoples have them.
Katarn: Lightsabers?
Bartender: *Questions!* How about a Ruby Bliels?
Katarn: Corellian Ale...in a CLEAN glass.
Kyle will always be canon in my heart. It's a treat having the guy as your master in JKA, and then when he and Jaden pop up here and there in later novels and stuff. I actually started with Academy when I was really young, so for a long time I never really knew Kyle had a lot more to him before playing the other games. A shame Disney canned him entirely, but with their track record, perhaps that's for the best. I also loved how like Luke, he used dark side powers as well. Even in Academy when you don't play him, he ain't afraid to use force lightning on some fools.
I would highly recommend all the games, even if you just play the later Outcast and Academy (which also have a nice mod called Movie Duels if you want saber combat more block and endurance based). There's a radio drama as well that covers Dark Forces I and II if you want the story without having to play the older games (but it does skim over DF1 a bit more than 2).
As much as I understand the necessity of Disney erasing the EU, and I'm pretty much over it...I'm still salty about losing Kyle, especially considering how a good amount of his backstory would have fit in pretty well with the new canon...
It doesn't help that he's referenced through the Katarn armour the clone commandos and bad batch use...makes it seem less likely he'll brought back in any capacity if anything.
@@cptsteele91 Disney star wars is soulless generic poorly written watered down inconsistent repetitive uncreative small fanfict
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Andor is still pretty good.
@@TechnoMinarchistBall still doesn't have any jedi sith lore
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Star Wars is more than Jedi and Sith. That's what makes Andor great. It shows more than what we're used to seeing.
Your hour-long video has brought me more happiness than anything Disney has done in the last 8+ years. Star Wars fans rejoice
This is how you write an OP character. You make them struggle and train and overcome hurdles. You also give them great characterisation and personality. I am one of the newer Star Wars fans and I love the Lucas era stuff and am also currently reading the EU books cause I just don't like the Disney stuff much. I definitely want to get the Kyle Katarn books!
Good luck with that. They sadly never reprinted the Dark Forces books, so they're extremely expensive.
Kyle’s a video game character.
@@DougMcCausland like most EU characters where in other materials, he became the battle master for Luke's new Jedi order and was in plenty of novels. Unlike Dinesy that will make a game and introduce a super cool awsome character that is best buds with Princess Lea then never gets brought up again the old EU often had characters, even game ones appear in other materials.
@@DougMcCauslandKyle appeared in a shit ton of the EU and has books of his own
Katarn is like a better written version of both Finn and Ahsoka :P
This is what Finn was supposed to be
In The Unifying Force Kyle is put in a starship to defend Zonama Sekot rather than put on thr ground Mission to retake Coruscant. Luke determined that this was the only way to be fair *...To the Vong.*
In the game Kyle's family farm by the time you visit it is truly massive, Morgan jad been playing fake imperial loyalist, and seems to have been put in charge of a massive industrial irrigation system.
In the Novelas it's far humbler (Morgan even calls it "subsistence farming) and uses a special tree to draw up water to irrigate the other crops.
22:31 i feel like at that point, Kyle used the jedi mind trick to compel Saris to jump off the cliff, plumetting to her doom.
41:39 Kyle has mastered Ultra Instinct.
"But that's when he realizes his biggest weakness - HE CAN"T DRIVE."
Lol amazing.
My boy Kyle having the respect he deserves
1 whole hour of Katarn kino? I'm in.
Sequel movies were travesty by themselves but they also robbed us Kyle and Mara.
This video was amazingly well put together!
Kyle was the most skilled and powerful battlemaster to ever live and a great jedi.
Great work, Kyle Katarn is my favorite EU character. Jedi Outcast/Academy is my childhood.
The Moldy Crow is still one of my favorite Star Wars ships. The second I was able to, I tried to recreate it in Starfield
Kyle katarn is probably my Favorite Jedi of all time next to Anakin and Revan.
Rosh is another one of my favorites. he is a meme legend in my friend group. The edits you made of him are fucking gold.
Bravo! This is easily a video that I can rewatch. The humor, the narration, perfection.
It truly saddens me that a Rich character like Kyle katarn was not utilized by Disney.
Not yet anyway
@@dmmmwerd thanks god. I wouldn't trust anything to current Disney
Honestly I'm kinda glad they didn't touch him.
They only would have ruined him utterly.
The only one who should be allowed to play Kyle Katarn is Jason Court, but knowing Hollywood, they'd probably hire someone who doesn't fit at all.
this series of games of Kyle are better than all the star wars Disney sequel movies combined
Excellent video, as soon as I saw this I was excited. Kyle Katarn has been my favorite SW character since I played Dark Forces. The way you characterized him in the outro is absolutely beautiful, humanizing this relatively obscure character and not just defaulting to "he's a badass, like a Jedi Han" kind of comment. I was honestly kind of touched at how you worded it, you are very good with your scripts.
Dark Forces, was Doom in three dimensions. Good Times.
when I was a kid, I had a PC demo disc with a demo for jedi knight 2. I would replay the one level over and over and over. I had a blast just killing enemies in various ways and experimenting with the game mechanics.
Oh yeah, that was fun. I also remember goofing around with console commands to give myself a red lightsaber, stop the imperials from attacking me and roleplaying as a Darth Vader wannabe.
Actual work of art. This is the kind of content CZcams is for. 👏👏
Star Wars Jedi Outcast Jedi Knight II is still one of my favorites. The way he just wall ran on that pillar at 0:31. Kyle is sick.
Hilarious, well-edited, informative - I always knew Katarn was one of the biggest / most beloved Legends characters, but didn’t understand why til now!
Keep on being beautiful 🫡
Kyle wasmt a grey jedi, those were game mechanics. Kyle was categorically lightside in the EU books
To be fair, Luke's entire new jedi order is grey by old republic standards.
@@derek96720There is no such thing as grey Jedi.
@@leichtmeister in the EU there definitely is
@@leichtmeistergrey Jedi are like mace windu in that they harness both sides, but they lean closer to the dark side then a Jedi. That's EU stuff, the modern equivalent is Ahsoka, though she's a stupid version of this idea where she isn't a Jedi but also doesn't use the dark side and still acts like a Jedi lmao
Bullshit, one of his signature quotes is literally "Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them."
I remember watching my dad and brother playing Outcasts and Jedi Knight when I was little and it wasn't until 2022 that I played Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy myself. Kyle quickly grew on me with his dry wit and little tolerance for Imperial bullshit, I dare say he's my favorite obscure/lesser known character. I had no idea about his backstory and continued story in Legends, making me like him even more. Thank you for this video :)
He also appears in the Star Wars: Lethal Alliance PSP game for a bit, but this video was still perfect
beautiful video, being an hardcore jedi outcast fan I almost shed a tear to how good that part was
Cassian Andor at the start as a Kyle katarn stand in is crazy
The chuck norris of sw
I always liked him more when he _wasn't_ a Jedi. Part of me wants him to be canon but the other part don't, so Disney can't screw his character up.
But he is such a corny character...
@@Bollibompa perfect for star wars then :D
Haha fuck yeeeeaaaaahhh. That's lucky timing. The other day I check your page to no avail; today, in dumb luck, I stumble onto a new hour long video. Bless bless, the Saint's back. One of my favorite SW fan creators.
Kyle katarn is one of my favourite characters loved the dark forces jedi knight series jedi knight dark forces II the cutscenes were really good at the time canon or not kyle katarn will always be of the best expanded universe characters
I had so much fun in outcast spawning in rebels and troopers watching them fight eachother.I was terrified of the darth vader coded like desaan
Jan and Kyle, rocking round the galaxy at the behest of Mon Mothma. Always canon for me.
I used to always think Kyle was stronger than Luke because in Jedi Academy if you spawn Desann in with the console and get him to fight 1v1 with Kyle or Luke he will kill Luke but lose to Kyle. However apparently in 1 of the novels he gets owned by Darth Caedus whereas Luke is evenly matched with him or a little stronger still.
According to legends Luke is the most powerful jedi to have ever lived. Kyle is just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions
Since he is a fan favorite like Grand Admiral Thrawn, I feel like Kyle Katarn deserve to be canon.
Do you want him to get yeeted by Mary Sue? Worse have him die to Emo Ren?! Nah man keep him in the EU.
thats exactly why he shouldnt be in canon, why would we want him to be ruined
Please no... I really don't wanna see what Disney would do to Kyle...
Darth Vader's "Oh no! Anyway..." reaction to the Arc Hammer being destroyed still makes me laugh today
This was so well edited, and also made me miss your Dark Forces 2 stream, that was awesome. I'd be keen to watch you play Outcast
This video was so well done! Great job shining a great light on the most underrated and under appreciated character in all of Star Wars!
Perfect. Thank you very much. I only started the Katarn games with jedi knight and had no idea about the story before. But i'm all about Star Wars storytelling and lore, so your review saved me a LOT of time. Thank you.
Legends had some of the best characters, Kyle, Mara, Talon, Thrawn etc.
I will never be able to play Skyrim or Jedi Academy without hearing this, thanks.
Sulon is a moon, the Moonnof Sullust, which makes Jerec having the old Imperial Governor's tower loaded with Stormtroopers kinda weird. Since Sullust was firmly New Republic held at the time, hell the Rebels took it before Endor even.
It is odd, but considering the remnant was sort of all over as far as I can remember it is t that odd. They weren't actually on Sullust after all
Fucking top shelf acting. Hollywood should be ashamed
When you find out that the floating torso's genitalia was the spike his fathers head was propped on it really changes the context of the scene.
That Peter Griffin "hehehehh!" Had me dying!😆🤣😂
WAKE UP BABE SAINTMILLION FINALLY UPLOADED
took me too long to realize that you were using Rosh's voice actors other characters, I was so confused haha.
Bro the video is finally out!! I remember when you were talking about making this forever ago lol and it doesn't disappoint!! You're still the man!! It's such a shame most Star Wars fans probably haven't even experienced the Jedi Knight series and the greatness that is Kyle Katarn and his beard lol... Disney really has killed Star Wars for me... but at least we can always go back and enjoy the old, good stuff!!
I love it! Nothing is more great than a trip down memory lane. I can't wait for your video on Star Wars Red Harvest.
Katarn is a legend. One of my fav characters. Thanks for the vid!
It took me months to beat the first mission on Jedi outcast 2 as a kid. This video slapped.
One thing that always struck me as kind of odd when I was a kid was that I was playing rebel assault 2 at the same time that I was playing dark forces, and Vader was really interested in the dark trooper project and was really against the phantom fighter project. It kind of felt like two competing projects the same time that Vader had really thrown his lot in on one side
Your Star Wars games content is top tier. As a fellow swg/Dark Forces veteran, you rock.
You have an amazing voice for your type of content! I’ve been trying to find a video on Kyle for a while but they’re usually like 30 min and I wanted to keep looking for a longer one and I found this video and it’s awesome how you not only set a comedic tone, but also accurately explained the story.
Bro. You’re editing in this video is top notch! I was laughing the whole way through! 🤣
your back with a BANGER! KYLE KATARN!
Thanks for taking me back down memory lane. Those were some good games back then. Story and adventure
46:14 this! This right here is the part that made me fall in love with this chararcter my god that is what a jedi should be high ground and all.
Always happy to see you upload Mr Million - good stuff as always
How nostalgic those later sections were! Thank you for keeping those cutscene dialogues... or adding in your own bits x)
46:26 omg that kill tracker mod takes me back 🤣
and the spam when a bunch of players on the server were using such mods
Bro I dig your comedy! I appreciate the deep dive, I always loved the character from the games but didn’t know all the stuff! Thanks my dude!
I’ve been waiting for a new video from you for so long. Thanks man
One of my three favorites characters of Star Wars (aside with Coran Horn and Skirata Clan). Thank you so much to sublimate this forgotten character. :) A new type of video for you? I hope so. :)
Glad to see you back! Hyped for more videos
man that like "abilities are not good or evil but how you used them" legit that one line is what made me love Kyle Katarn so much. I legit wish that disney just did Kyle Katarn series but then we got all the ep 7-9 and ... they dont deserve Kyle
This is a great video, Saint! I'm glad I spent my lunch break watching it.
The return of Saintmillion woooo, I love your videos dude!
Pure shot of nostalgia seeing the JK Kill Tracker stuff, thanks for that.
This is really beautiful bro gives me chills
Your deadpan delivery is the stuff of legends as well.
We needed this video
Correction: 1st generation Dark Troopers are actually cybernetically enhanced Clone Trooper veterans which is a lot darker because it's basically men who've known nothing but war and cursed with a short life sacrificing their own humanity and becoming the very thing they hate in order continue their pre-programmed purpose well beyond their natural lifespan.
P.S. The Jedi Knight protagonist is canonically human male
Kind of. The ones you're referring to are the "Phase Zero" Dark Troopers as seen in the OG Battlefront 2, a retcon to the Dark Trooper project since they wanted the Dark Troopers in the game but wanted them to be different than what we saw in Dark Forces. The three types of Dark Troopers we see in Dark Forces are all droids. Phase One is a skeletal frame, Phase Two is fully armored and the mass production model, and Phase Three is the armor Rom Mohc wore for his duel with Kyle, doubling as both a droid that could move on it's own and an exoskeleton suit worn by a person. The Dark Troopers we saw in Mandalorian for example are the closest to Phase Two, while Phase One would be kind of like the Assassin Droids seen in TCW. The Clone Trooper veterans turned into Dark Trooper prototypes are the 1st gen, true enough, but aren't proper Dark Troopers.
This video was hilarious! Great edit and recap of an underrated Star Wars story
SAINTMILLION BLESSES US WITH ANOTHER UPLOAD cant wait for the content later this year (red harvest video perhaps 🤔😉)
worlds most underrated channel uploads again (its epic)
The best SW channel.
Loving the consistent upload schedule
really enjoyed your video - thanks for uploading.
Dark Forces 2, my first Star Wars game and still the best. Played it 100 times.
I'm playing through Dark Forces 2 rn, so I'm gonna put this in "Watch later", but am I hyped :D
When khyle joins you on Vjunn he is an absolute beast. Easily annihilating 4-5 sith AND leagues of troopers solo
About time my boy got some spot light .
Excellent video!
That part where Saris jumping to her death was hilarious 😂
26:59 longer than a week. Most of the Dark Empire comics happen in the gap between Kyle leaving at the end of the intro levels and the start of Mara's missions.
I get so happy when you upload.
16:42 I mean bro, gonna be honest, I'd be thinking about Jan too.
Dude i love the editing! The Kotor and kung pow:ETP references were really funny