The 17th Amendment Explained: The Constitution for Dummies Series
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Speaking of dummies, "would of?" Twice?
preach Mr Scalo :)
On god mr scalo
Would’ve is what it needs to be spelled correctly. Some people say would have instead.
You do know this country is a republic and not a democracy right? And you do also know that the 17th amendment didn't change us from an "indirect democracy to a direct democracy" right? I mean, that sentence makes no sense at all. Senators are democratically elected REPRESENTATIVES. Representatives = republic.
The 17th amendment changed the representatives from being elected by the states to being elected by the people, but they were still representatives in a REPUBLIC.
In order for this country to be a democracy we would have to abolish the Congress and have the population as a whole vote on every law.
Our country is a democratic republic.
Yanessa Martinez. Which means we vote for our representatives. Not our laws. We are a Republic.
Curtis Mullins A Republic does not neccesarily mean democracy. It means a non-democracy.
Yanessa Martinez barely
durithick p Steele, from your comment I can see the sadness in your parents eyes when you came out the womb. look up the definition of republic before you post a comment. sad sac of shit filled with lies.
There's a reason why the framers did not include the 17th amendment in the original Bill of Rights people, stop and think about why
ok, but the point of passing amendments is to adapt the constitution to changes in the country if agreed upon by 2/3 of congress and ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures. Yes though, the 17th amendment probably shouldn't be what it is, but back then most state legislatures were holding popular elections of Senators anyway. Basically the States themselves gave up that right.
We see the breakdown of our Republic with SCOTUS not hearing Texas vs. Pennsylvania. A states representation is as important as its people’s representation as originally conceived by our founding Fathers.
Helpful Hint: Invest in a microphone. The soft video quality can be forgiven but bad sound is a turnoff.
Can't you see he's speaking from a large empty room? Of course there'll be reverberation! 😉
The video is almost a decade old, critiquing the mic is pretty pointless. SCOTUS followed their Conservative ideals when deciding not to hear TX vs PA - State's Rights. Also, who is Texas to question a another state's election. Also, isn't that unfair to other states? YOU LOST, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just fyi, 17A was ratified, essentially, by the same Congress that gave us the Federal Income Tax the year prior in 1912... Whoopee!
What a time.
Considering the era when this was passed, it was likely a bad idea to pass the amendment. There were a lot of crazies that ruined everything during that time ... they even tried to take away alcohol while high are their eugenics ideals.
Still a bad idea today
Also ya know... Woodrow Wilson... KKK being backed by tye White House... Etc...
IMO, they should repeal the 17th amendment, allow state legislatures to appoint senators again. HOWEVER, they should keep the provision that governors can temporarily appoint senators to fill the vacancy until the legislatures get their act together. I think that's a fair compromise to prevent long gaps of no representation, and it'll galvanize legislatures to decide quickly.
@Micheal Carney Because the whole idea of federalism and the US Constitution is one of checks and balances. In this case, the idea is that the government and the people check each other so that the government does give into self-interested tyranny and the people don't give into mob rule. The Senate was never meant to represent the people. American citizens have their power and interests in the House of Representatives. By having both houses elected by voting, it renders the Senate meaningless. There are issues where those involved at the state level know more than what affects citizenry, which is why you need a Senate to be able check populist thinking.
@Micheal Carney Veto power is important, but the idea of separating powers between the House and Senate doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering they both represent the same interests (people) as opposed to if they were elected by different ways (now the Senate represents the states' interests).
To say all power lies in the people means either communism or mob rule, neither of which work or are moral. The Founders weren't thinking in terms of aristocracy. They thought very carefully of how to avoid any form of tyranny, whether it came from monarchy or the people. While there is no perfect system of governance and never will be, I believe what they have created with the Constitution is one of the best in the world, and that includes all the checks and balances you find so odious and aristocratic.
@@MyUsernameIsAlsoBort Perfectly stated.
I agree to that.
@@MyUsernameIsAlsoBort The States were meant to be a third level of that check.
Charlie's Angels *and* Rockford Files? 70's fest, love it!
The 17th amendment to me is almost like the Mandela Effect. I dont remember discussing this ever in High School civics class. Did it exist 50 years ago?
1913
No, that's just the failure of your class in bringing it up. That's not how the Mandala effect works.
@@lloyd1179 Woodrow fucking Wilson everyone...
Which is better for Democracy? A) Senators who look to their party leadership for advice on how to vote, or B) Senators who look to their state's governor/Speaker/Pro-Tem for advice on how to vote? Choice A is what we have now. Choice A makes senators agents of party politics. I can't influence a party leader from a state I don't live in. But I can influence my governor/Speaker/Pro-Tem. The 17th Amendment made it more likely for your senator to accept the Party Leader's telephone call then the call of his state's governor. More voting is not necessarily more power.
I love the Rockford Files music at the end. 😃
Can someone sum this up for me in a couple sentences? I zoned out about 3 minutes in...
Sure. It changed how senators are elected. Now, they are elected by the voters. Before this amendment, state legislatures selected them.
@@MichaelSmith-fj7di THANK YOU
Diversity. If each chamber represents a different kind of constituency then the legislation produced by both chambers is legislation that is more likely to reflect a broader consensus and convergence of interests. And shouldn't national legislation reflect national consensus? More interests, more viewpoints having had a say in crafting the legislation there were more stakeholders in the legislation succeeding.
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Great video Thanks
Jorge Ramirez Surio. Sure enough, all true. What Mr. Madison could not foresee was the undue influence the elite monopolies exercised on the local level. State legislatures became "buyable" and the state representation that Madison craved was replaces by corporate control over our government. The progressive movement capitalized on another aspect of the genius of the Constitution, namely the amendment procedure to rectify the new problem. Direct Democracy was the people's answer, you can argue that a US Senator is not accountable to his or her state but you are referring to the state legislature (being the voice of the people)... all the 17th does is bypass the middle man and go right to the people. They are still, if not more, accountable to the people of the state to which they were elected. Does the 17th scratch at the original justification for a "state house" in Congress? Probably... but so does the Industrial Age where the Senate became a puppet for the trust giants which used their power to wield enormous power over the lives of millions and millions of Americans. I am not sure Madison would be all that pissed. Plus, he is just an old dead white guy, we are a living breathing diverse basket of American citizens.
You need to do an update on certain governors and their use of this rule!
Keith Hughes Are you really going to that old saw about "buying" state legislatures when the entirety of our Feral government is on the jew tit? I swear. Today's Senators do NOT answer to the states and that really fucks us over. I also object strenuously to your proclivity to use the term "democracy". Nowhere in the Declaration or the Constitution does the term democracy appear. We live in a republic. Democracy is two wolves and a chicken voting on "what's for supper?"
Keith Hughes All lobbying should be outlawed.
+eatenbytheweasel i love that analogy so true
Keith Hughes Shout out to Larry!
I'm listening to that music and thinking l know that music. And after 3 day l figured it out. The Rockford files. LMAO
If electing the Senate before 1913 is indirect democracy, doesn't this mean that the Electoral College is indirect democracy?
+Tide Better Than Clorox yes
I think we need to go back to the way it was before
A president is supposed to represent both the interests of the people and of the states. That's why the number of votes he gets for winning state is the sum of that state's Reps and Senators.
Before 17, I can complain to my congressman. After 17 I have to choose whether i have to complain to my congressman or my senator?
Somebody screwed up, and it's easier if I have one choice than tooSomebody screwed up, and it's easier if I have one choice than 2.
It's "would have", NOT "would of"!
It was a good idea, and like all good ideas is purely conjecture. They're experiments and most are going to fail, and should be left to as needed, which is immediately, imho.
What is the music playing while he reads the amendment?
JO R background music
It's the 'Charlie's Angels' theme song. The one from the 1970s.
At the door its the theme from The Rockford Files.
It was a pretty good show.
Stared James Garner.
My Mom liked this show so we watched it.
what is the rule of the 17th amendment
The 17th Amendment says U.S. senators shall be elected directly by the people of their state. It was passed in 1913 to bypass the bribery and corruption of state legislatures electing them.
I would repeal the 17th amendment.
You didn’t mention first second and third classes of the senate.
The 17th amendment was a huge mistake because things like unfunded mandates imposed by a law passed the house and senate which federal representatives don't have to worry about paying for and the fact rural people get controlled by mob rule.
Which is why the founders did not establish the senate as such with direct democracy.
I could go on but those are the big ones.
i would say about the Constitution that all Americans have the right to vote so lets get out there on election day and vote for your choice of who you want for president.
But you must educate yourself on those people running for office.
Do not rely on news media for truth!
"Would have" not "would of"...
Three things. One, some want to go back to the state legislature’s voting for the Senator versus the people. Fuck that!!!! The people should!!!!
Two, when it comes to a vacancy, whatever party official is gone, it should be replaced with that same party (GOP, Liberal, Liberation)!!!! That’s because during the original voting the party that won, that party should be allowed to carry out that entire time!!!!
Lastly....shit. Forgot what i was about to say. Maybe i will remember later.
The way the US Legisltive branch was designed was that the house of representatives were elected by the people to represent them and the Senate was elected by representatives at the state level so that they could represent the states themselves. This was very intentional and should have been kept as such.
My politician knows how to fool me. Also, the politician I hate definitely knows how to fool his own herd of dullard supporters. Right? But....He'd have a more difficult time fooling other politicians. It takes a thief to stop a thief. Right? The 17th Amendment takes advantage of people's egos, of their unwillingness to say, "I don't know. I'm ignorant." And so, it's easier for wolves to pull the wool over the sheep's eyes when the sheep are reluctant to admit they are sometimes blind.
Mob Rules
Nugget, btw it's would have...... not would of
1. We are NOT a "Democracy" (mob rule), we are a Representative Constitutional Republic (equality before the law). 2. As for the corruption issue, who really believes it is less corrupt now? "Big Money" still owns the vast majority of Senators. 3. the 17th has lead to the Centralization of Power in the Federal Government and has made the states the servants of the Federal Master. As originally established and intended the Federal Government was to be the servant of the States. 4. Senators have become much more powerful and where they use to hold their seats at the will of the State Legislators they now have political power more as Barons over their states and are able to ruin any state legislator that dares oppose them.
Alot of that constitutional republicanism can easily be swept up by big trust interests where you have minority rule, also implying that the 17th amendment is directly responsible for all the corruption we have now requires some empirical examples, all of what you’re saying could’ve been just as possible with state legislatures electing those senators, nothing would change.
Thank you , for teaching ❤️ American history Sir .knowing history will make us not repeat the past. The critical race teaching was made to be seen as some thing bad to truth ,and you all ready who that is don't even want to mentioned his name
Charlie's Angels theme music?
Can we please reverse this and make all of congress appointed by the governors!
I don't see how that would make a difference for the betterment of anything, as evidenced by the late ex-gov terminator of California, whom is currently involved in gerrymandering legislation somewhere. Schwarzenegger only exacerbates the madness by crying for it to stop after abusing the system himself. They're all hypocrites, with no solution other than their own selfish interests.
Someone send this to @Flightreacts
The 17th was the beginning of the end
How about we get rid of the 17th Amendment let the state legislatures get their representation in Washington.
I completely agree, for a writing assignment I'm writing, that's my topic.
We don’t need 64 Republican senators when the Democratic Party has 12 million more members than the GOP.
@@ordinaryguy6654 Are you using the royal we?
There’s some unwarranted toxicity in this comment section. Ignore them. This video is old, but keep driving your craft.
What "toxicity"?
Would HAVE not would have (in the nuggets). e.g “Democrats would HAVE controlled it” not would have, which makes no sense at all.
Repeal the 17th and repeal the 22nd
MAGA
I just saw your nuggets on the 17th. FDR was the worst thing that could have happened to this country, it's ironic that the 17th could have stopped him. Even more Ironic is the fact that they put term limits on the presidency making it exponentially difficult, dare I say, impossible to change the mistakes created by his administration.
RIP, Trump lost big time. But let me guess, Biden’s 7 million vote lead was fraudulent, wasn’t it?