Wow, that’s a lot of good reasons, thanks for sharing. I’ll probably spend this year along the south of Ireland, mostly exploring West Cork and maybe a bit of Kerry. Where are you planning next for quieter cruising? There’s a lot of lovely places around Britain and Ireland and plenty of secluded anchorages too. I look forward to exploring lots of them.
Yep…can’t argue with any of them but, as you say, there are some stunning bits too. Damn shame schengen doesn’t allow us to stay for both shoulder seasons to enjoy it when it’s quieter! Anyway thanks for linking to our schengen vid…much appreciated 😊😊
Thank you so much for this video… Was thinking about crossing the pond to the Med next summer…. You have changed my mind… Going to stay in Florida Keys, Bahamas and Caribbean…. Recognized you from the Admiralty Channel. We live full time on our Lagoon 420… Appreciate the candid input…
The Med definitely has it's selling points, but for sure we'd like to head to the Bahamas and Caribbean! We have no doubt we'll end up sailing there at some point, or maybe buying a boat already over there haha. Aw that's awesome, cheers for checking out our channel then too 😁
@@ChasingCurrents The whole 90 days thing kind of messes up any extended touring plans. I looked into getting Spanish residency, but it is complicated.
Nice insight guys, lots to consider if anyone is Med bound. I was just about to type to say I cannot forgive you for not showing your doggy who was clearly in need of some attention, but then she popped up at the end. Love dogs, mind you my two do restrict my sailing. Happy days guys. Andy UK
Yeah, just some food for thought as there were alot of factors that we hadn't even heard about before heading to the Med. Can see why it gets so much hype though, so many stunning places to visit and not enough time 😬. Aww don't you worry she gets a lot of attention haha, couldn't leave without letting her get a little CZcams appearance though ;) she's an old girl now at 13! Cheers Andy, hope you're well 😁
Thanks for the great information. As an American, the Schengen Visa has nearly killed my dream of sailing my boat to the eastern Med. I will check out your links to see how to get around the issue. I am sure there is more than one way to cook a potato!!! Thanks again.
I found your video very informative and overall positive about your experience in the Med. It's definitely an area I intend to cruise in the near future, so its good to be informed in order to be prepared. As someone from an EU member state, I can honestly say we respect the UK decision to leave the EU but unfortunately the freedom of travel is only guaranteed to member states. I really do hope that a better travel agreement (both ways) can be sorted in the near future, as there are no winners. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Fab vid guys and good to know both of your thoughts about the Med. Now then, when are you bringing Talisman back? And do you need/would you like a 3rd pair of hands? I'm just getting my funds together for next season after spending a huge chunk on Jazzi's new engine and would love to do some proper blue water passeges. Think I am sailing south in around April/May time for 6 months of boat life .... Hope you are both well ⛵😁🍺
Were undecided at the minute where we will be sailing haha. Keep an eye though as if we do need crew it would be a good way to get some miles under a belt. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
Absolutely correct 👍. Sailing the Meds is NOT what most "influencer" show on their always "happy, easy living, sunshine always exited nonsense videos. Fact is here it is: Extremely expensive. Almost everywhere is overcrowded. Noisy due stupid "party/disco vessel who destroy any peace and quiet everywhere. Almost the wrong wind. Choppy waves. Zero to none fishing grounds. This is why those CZcams celebrities come and go as Sad but true 👍 This is why I like and follow you 2. No bullshit and straight forward. Many thanks for sharing 👍
Leaving for the Med in 2 months 😑 When you go to the reset countries, how long do you have to stay there before returning to Schengen countries? Take care and God bless 💚
Awesome! You will love it i'm sure, just got to adapt to it's quirks 😅 If you've spent 90 days in the Schengen countries, you then need to spend 90 days in the reset countries. All the best, and fair winds for your upcoming adventures!
Thank you for your points of view. Brilliant ..... Its like driving a car on bank hiliday here in the UK . You ask yourself is it worthit?? Fair Winds and Following Seas.
I was also thinking about lone sailing around the med, then learnt about the 90 days, Orcas, party people, jet ski's full up anchorage and thinking less and less about it, Im looking at other places to go from the Uk, will be 1000's of miles further, but its the journey I'm looking forward to, With the prop foul, im an x commercial fisherman, and spent many times over the back cutting off the fouled nets, even in winter in the English channel, i didn't understand why you didn't do the same? then i saw the bit about Orcas bumping you boat, OMG good choice not doing the same as i use too, thank you for the info, very well done.
I enjoyed your video, your down to earth style, and sharing your experiences which I will " take on board "😅. Planning on sailing the Med in next 2 years, applying for Portuguese residency in hope to minimalise Brexit horrors, though don't fully understand how it works, as even EU residents have limitations...90/ 180, anyone explain this?! ❤
They are actually just plants, moss etc! Though I have in the past couple of days got a pair of vampire crabs in one of them 😁 In the past those tanks did hold poison dart frogs :)
Great info as usual, thanks! I guess the new Brexit limitations impacted everything because you were hurried and couldn't fully explore ways around the other problems. The Brexit thing is turning out to be pretty annoying for Britons on so many fronts. But your series was really educational and inspirational, haven't seen every episode but will most likely go back to them looking for specific info.
Yeah, was definitely limited due to Brexit unfortunately! Hopefully some countries start to offer ways around this soon, shame to miss out on such beautiful places. Thank you, hope you enjoy the rest of the episodes :)
@@ChasingCurrents Yeah it sucks. I just read that the probable future PM has been saying Brexit or even a special borders/trade deal won't be on the table again. This is despite a load of data coming out showing Brexit has hurt the country in different ways. Glad you could sail the Med anyway, which is likely to be my limited playground if/when I ever get my own boat. ;-)
Another positive take on it all... apply for residency in Spain and avoid Brexit rules ? You can apply from UK if you are thinking about a new life.. Spain is wonderful. I live here and I've just started sailing. My boyfriend is an experienced sailer so I'm getting great tutoring and enjoying the Med so far ( first mini cruise last week )
Nice review! The Mediterranean has basically been fished out, and the EU has way too late started to do something about it. tbh, I think it may need a couple of 5 year Fidhing Bans to kick-start a recovery. The EU Fishing Fleets have pretty much set UK territorial Waters on the same path to destruction, but we could get started with a 2 year complete Ban, as Herring Stocks really bounce back fast and we can restart Kippers for breakfast if we get fish smokers ready and smaller fishing boats built, and Crews trained up during the stopped fishing period. a couple of years restricted to British small boats fishing herring, at the end of that 4 years have passed and we should be able to start adding Mackerel for example, and start doing a proper assessment of what stocks have started to make a healthy recovery, and add another species for another two years, and reassess again, which means some species have now had a 6 year rest to begin recovering. The problem is UK territorial waters are critically important biodiversity of sea life popolations, and since we joined the EEC they've been relentlessly hammered with things like big trawlers Pulse Fishing. Planned wave goodbye quick trip with New Boat. delivery Crew from South Coast to Gibraltar, Provisioning and Fuel fill, Popping across to Morocco, just to see how things have Changed, from there straight to North Cyprus for a fill up and stopover for a few days, then to Turkey, and check things over Making sure to get close to hayloft and service intervals there, including for the tender's Outbosrd. maybe as much as 3 months, then back West to Spain with 90 days in the Bank and haulout full service and checkout, plus any warranty issues seen to, plus check the test of Cold Galvanising Zinc as antifoul, if working as well expected, slap another coat on and relaunch, head to Funkyrola Marina, for a last few pints of the best Guinness I've ever had in the Irish bar there, then down to Gib, provision and Fuel, and off to Madeira and the Canaries with a delivery crew. Then to Cape Verde, maybe with pick up Crew of people wanting trips for Yachtmaster Offshore logs, and such. Depends who is around. From Cape Verde, tbh, if no Crew to head East, I wouldn't mind Soloing across by around then. or tie it in with people who would like to tag along behind the ARC. 6 months plus sailing and leaving the Eastern Med September ish, Boatwork should be done early November, Could be good timing for around ARC time in the Canaries, if there us anyone with enough money for it to happen next year. 🤔 Vest Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍
God has spoken! Completely agree on the fishing comments regarding our home waters. And kippers! Yum! Of course everything that followed was pure gold :)
nothing more than the fishing is true, but our sea is beautiful and charm, we are happy to receive any other countries people like UK, but please be sensible your comments maybe tell your feeling against EU.
@@tonygia9655 The mistake you make is thinking the EU is your friend. It isn't. Far from it, and the Truth a out just how Big and Enemy of We The People it is, and What a Malevolence it is, is going to become Public Know,edge for the Peoples of Europe ery Soon now. So Ewart. Anyone Tagged as Supporting the European Union, and the Crimes Against Humanity it has been Committing, is going to fi d themselves in Far Ceeper Trouble than they Can Presently Comprehend, as it sinks in just how small a minority the trouble akers really are. Best Advice - Wake The Fuck Up As Fast As Possible, and Do Not Find Yourself on the Wrong Side of History's Fence. And Do Not Attempt To Fake it. Nobody will like the Consequences that come with pretending Not to be a Supporter of the Satan Worshipping Ritual Human Dacrificing Khazarian Mafia Death Cult - and that, via the WEF and Klaus Schwab, is what the European Union is all a out. A quick guide to if you are fast asleep on the wrong side of the fe ce, is if you are a ,title blue and yellow flag waving Ukraine Nazi Supporter. Such idiots have now screwed themselves es and have tagged themselves for being dealt with. Comprende ? 🤔
Are the immigration restrictions to do with the registry of the boat, or the nationality of the crew? Or both? I live in England but have Irish nationality and wondered if i coukd register a boat in ireland. My partner is British though, so i guess we'd still face restrictions?
Hey, so I don't think you will face the same restrictions in your case. The best advice I can give is to contact sailing tonic on Instagram as they have done what you mention with exactly the same situation. I hope this helps 👍
Yes this is how it is in the Med. As a sailor my self, the Med is not really an attraction for me eventhough I come from the Mediteranean. Come up to Scandinavia. A sailing paradise. But! No warm waters and no high temperatures. Although we can be lucky sometimes to have beautiful weather. Sailing the Swedish archipelago, either West or East is sweet! South and West coast of Norway also fantastic and Denmark. But, preferably not in the high season which streches from the beginning of July until about the middle of August. June and towards the end of August is wonderful.
How about Europeans sailing British waters? What's the post-Brexit ruling for Europeans? BTW, on the topic of storms in the Med.. the videos on the 18 aug '22 Corsica storm are an eye-opener.
I believe they can still stay for 180 days, which is what it was before Brexit. however we were the same (180 days) before Brexit, it went to 90 days after Brexit, this is just another way of punishing the UK for Brexit (Spiteful organization).
@@johnborne1175 I think it was more a case of the UK government not trying to negotiate it. Personally I don't think any of the main parties in the UK have any commitment to Brexit.
@@johnborne1175 I think you'll find that because of Brexit, the UK is now equivalent to other non EU countries, e.g., USA, Canada etc. You all have the same visa requirements when entering the EU. Its not the UK being punished, it was the UK's choice, no?
I came down to the med 2012. Staying here since then. I organised charter sailing , had AIRBNB on 2 extra boats . Now i 72 and just sail for fun . I speak spanish now and i am never ripped of. Very often i got free moorings here in Spain as i know a lot of people. This year i will bring down my last boat ( from Sweden ) here , and i will stay here for ever. In 2023 i sailed 6 months in the baltic sea , cold,rainy,expensive its not worth the money to freese. Have a nice sailing summer 2024 . We have sunny here in Barcelona today. 👍⛵🇪🇦
Very interesting video for someone planning to sail to Portugal in June from NI. I plan to take the boat out of the water in Nazare and sail her from October March. My main concern are Orcas. I may decide to go to Madeira and Canary Islands instead. I have absolutely no interest in crowded anchorages, marinas and party boats. Also interesting what you said about end. Thankfully the 90 day bureaucracy will not apply because being Northern Irish we can apply for Irish EU passports. Thank you. Useful insight. ⛵️
How about Scotland for sea life and quiet (mainly free) anchorages? No Brexit issues either. I see absolutely no point in restricting the movement of people who aren't working and taking local jobs. I've never heard a logical reason for it either.
Honestly Scotland is a big possibility at the minute, like you said beautiful sea life and lots of quiet places! The freedom to stay there does sound quite appealing too. Yeah it doesn't seem to make much sense does it. We do keep hearing about different countries offering cruisers visas etc, but we've seen nothing come into play as of yet that would work for us.
i'm not a sailor but am a 'wannabee' :-) maybe you can look into getting/utilizing a 'sea anchor'? this hopefully would let you 'anchor' off-shore in deep water and avoid all those pesky annoying motor boats etc. :-))
Nothing in life is completely smooth sailing! It's better to accept that it's not all the 'perfect' image of champagne sailing but that it will be an adventure. CZcams videos like this are just people's opinions, watch a few different videos and form your own opinions and go for it if it's what you want to do :) If you've only watched this video and not our other ones you should go and watch them, you'll see there really is good and bad in every story 😊
Welcome to post u know what bureaucratic hell.. the best places are at the Eastern end past Italy and off the regular tracks. Agree about the Med being a bit of a washing machine and blow dryer 😂 The storms are a feature thats going to increase.
Yeah, that makes sense! Sure there must be some lovely hidden gems on that side. We definitely didn't appreciate how unpredictable the weather could be when we were envisioning all the champagne sails we'd be having 😂 We thought the UK was meant to be the challenging place to learn, the Med has kept us on our toes that's for sure haha. Have to say, the big storm we experienced was the scariest night of our life, really hope to not have to be in one of those again!
You get checking in and out in all countries outside the Mediterranean also. As for transit log for your boat that is nothing to do with Schengen, that is related to tax being paid on your boat. If you sail back to the uk you are more likely to have to pay the vat there! Yes Brexshit is a pain for ordering parts from EU and does limit time spent in a large area rather than 90 days in each country. However you just work around it like all the other none EU citizens have to do. It changed our plans but you can definitely get to places but you sail longer passages and just go for it. We sailed from Barcelona to Kefalonia in 7 days.
Balarics and the Spanish Rias definitely had a place in our hearts. Both for different reasons, but equally beautiful and brilliant to cruise! Thanks for the question 😁
Good of you to share your thoughts on cruising in the Mediterranean. While I would love to visit the Mediterranean, I have no interest in sailing there. Mainly because of it being overcrowded, and the weather is very inconsistent with respect to sailing.
Mate the orca situation is definitely not good, however there is a far greater risk of orca attack in the Atlantic a coast off Spain and Portugal than inside the Mediterranean itself.
I’ve been skippering charter yachts in the Greek Islands for over 20 years and some of your points are very true,each to their own. Definitely choose the off peak periods, as a certified dive instructor the Mediterranean is not the most plentiful area for marine life, much prefer the coral reefs and wrecks in the pacific. As for crowded anchorage’s I have had many tangled anchor chains, and my device called an anchor trip can deal with several chains at once, other yachts have been heard to say what the F...k did he just do as we Motor away from the mess of knitting? You are correct in saying other yachts have limited skill at Mediterranean mooring especially stern to, this is a skill that you get better at over time and my charters prefer this as the guests can step ashore and choose a restaurant, or rent a motor bike and explore the island. Brexit has not affected my Mediterranean experience as I live in New Zealand so it is always seasonal. I’m now retired mainly due to the Syrian crisis and then Covid, but as you can see your purpose is somewhat different to my Mediterranean experience. But good points for people to consider when planning a Sailing trip to the Mediterranean. Kind regards Alan Inglis
I began sailing the Med back in '76 as a professional yacht skipper.. yes, I know.. your grandfather's time. I'm still sailing in the Med, though only for pleasure. Two major differences you may not be aware of being relatively new to the scene.. 1) Cost. Keeping a boat in the Med now is eye-wateringly expensive.. and if you don't want to cough up the marina fees, you can be sure there's someone from Germany, Spain, or wherever, a dozen other countries that are scrambling to reach for their chequebook. Another sad fact. There are fewer and fewer owner yachties.. you're far more likely to be tied up alongside a charter yacht crammed with a crowd of half Pi$$ed vacation people, the worst being large multihulls crewed by Russians, most looking and dressed like Putin's bodyguards. I do know some places where You can almost choose the wind you want, magical acnchorages.. unspoiled, romantic settings.. Am I likely to list them here..?
Wow, you definitely must have seen a lot of changes in the Med over that period! We agree with you there, we were very often surrounded by charter yachts in anchorages - far too close for comfort in a lot of situations. Wouldn't blame you for keeping those magical sounding places to yourself ;)
I wouldn't name them personally, but with the scale of the Global Crash that's coming, likely far bigger than 2008, the number of boats around Offshore, in the Med, etc, could well fall dramatically. I was first Afloat in the Med, after a rough trip through Bay of Biscay, in 1967 believe it or not. A .particularly hot summer in Spain, even worse in Portugal, where people were dropping dead in the streets of Lisbon. Apart from stinky Harbours, the Med itself was very clean once away from them. Pretty much the same in 1969. Harbours started getting a lot less Stinky from the 1970's. 👍
www.independent.co.uk/travel/europe/europe-90-180-day-brexit-uk-passport-b2274556.html There's a difference between us and schengen (you have to leave EU for 90 days before returning for another 90 days) and the boat being in Europe for Tax reasons (leaving Europe for 1 day means its not counted as an import). For Schengen after 90 days we as individuals need to leave for 90 days (not the boat).
Waves in the mad compared to the Atlantic apart from wind against tide is nor really related to tides. Waves are made by wind where ever that is in the world. Mediterranean waves are shorter frequency due to less fetch, less distance for the waves to travel. The weather this year was not bad, we for instance we didn’t get a Medicane (hurricane) this year like past years. Guys be fair the Mediterranean is one of the best cruising grounds in the world, that is why it does get busy. 😀⛵️ If you are wanting it beautiful scenery, good weather then it will attract more people. Wow you are painting a poor picture of what is one of the best places to sail in the world. You didn’t get far into the Mediterranean, go further east far less cruisers. We have sailed from west, Spain, to east Israel and north to Croatia. There is so much to see and fantastic cruising grounds.
That's interesting, we've had loads of long term Med cruisers tell us the weather has been very unpredictable this year. Honestly feel like you're just picking the negatives out of the video. We said that exact same thing in the video, it gets busy because it's beautiful. We said about the culture and it being an amazing cruising ground etc. If we decide we want to cruise somewhere else and the Med isn't for us, it's only our opinions on our own channel. We said that we want to be somewhere with abundant sea life, the Med doesn't have that. Enough videos talk about how amazing the Med is, I think it only fair that we can share our thoughts too both good and bad. We want to paint a realistic picture :)
Just try to avoid August and all is fine. If you go to tourist places of course there crowded. When I anchor I'm usually the only one there and I chuck a line in and catch my lunch. Try sailing in the Solent on a Bank holiday that's what I call crowded.
Hmm sad to hear some of these, and especially the orcas whome i love. Im in the us and hear sailboats can be 40% or more cheaper in the med. I want ro live in italy and greece sail around exploring Europe.
look into diplomatic passports. you can get a passport from the forgien office not HM passports office and pretend you dont have a birth cert.. However you might need to know what happens when you are needed to evacuate an area. Or have dual nationality ...and 2 passports
@@Allezlesbleusful I learned to sail on the west and north coast of France and I thought I became good at it, until I started sailing the Med and realized how much more there was to learn.
@@feshfeshsailing Yes, I would agree, but I think this is the same for all of us. No matter where we learned or where we sail regularly, new waters bring new challenges and learning opportunities. I don't have a great deal of sailing experience in the Med beyond charter in the Ionians and a brief spell teaching dinghy sailing for a couple of summers. I did keep a boat in Cap d'Agde for a while but that was day trips only, tramontane allowing
Allez les bleus! They made it to the quarter finals with minimum effort. I see them making it to the last 4, perhaps even to the final. Time will tell. Serious business just starting now.
If you'd done a couple of things differently. You'd have avoided most of your 'issues'. France goes on holiday in August. Like clockwork. So, either avoid the congested areas or don't go there in August. Research. Plan ahead and then have contingencies. Be aware that during peak months, if you're seeking peace and quiet, you'll have to use the more 'off-grid' locations. If you're a marine biologist, how can you not be aware that in many places, the Med has been denuded of fish. There are vast areas of the Med, where the rental crowd never or hardly ever go. I'm not spilling the beans here. A little research and you can find them yourselves. If you'd done any research beforehand, you'd be aware of the named winds and usually they're very predictable. Anyways. Nobody died. So all's well that ends well ;)
We didn't go to France. Specifically our season this year was spent making our way from Almerimar, balearics, sardinia, to Italy. We are aware, as we said in the video we knew the Med was overfished. Doesn't take a marine biologist to know that! It doesn't mean everyone does though, hence why it's in the video. It's a problem with Med sailing in our opinion, not sure how research and planning would have avoided this aspect? Also, nothing prepares you for physically seeing trawlers, dead animals, destroyed Seagrass and eco systems. So I think it's more than fair to say its still a shock to witness in person. Virtually everyone we've spoken to, seasoned Med sailors included, have said this seasons weather has been unusual. We aren't talking specifically about the named winds being unpredictable. The weather in general is, we aren't the only ones to say this so don't really feel like lack of research is the issue. We constantly checked forecasts, forums, blogs and still got caught out plenty of times with opposite forecasts. Thanks for commenting though, and if ever you feel like spilling the beans on off grid spots we're all ears 🤣
I think the chances of hitting a semi floating container is probably higher than being munched on by an orca. Each to their own, it would not put me off. Should get a downvote for no recipe in this video! ;-)
Nothing shocking. The Brexit and Bureaucracy stuff is also not a surprise. Shocks me how many sailors and expats voted for it. We find the wind to be predictable. Stay safe.
But you have to sail in the agean and not in the overcrowded Ionian charter sea... Bays galore and even in August very reasonable amounts of sailing boats. And for you who are affected by Brexshit you can stay your 90 days out of Schengen in Turkey... I am lucky to have a German Passport and I spend about 6 months a year overthere on my trimaran...
@@matthiasvonmutius9264 That's an excellent point about the Agean sea, to get around the Schengen rules keeping a boat in Turkiye and sailing over to Greece for a few months is a great way to stay within the EU rules. 👍
Brexit benefits keep on giving! Not only cruising but other British travellers penalised by Brexit including Campervanners, Caravanners & those with overseas properties. The most unexplained phenomena is just how many of these actually voted Brexit themselves! I live in Spain & work in Gibraltar & my life has been impacted negatively & as has 200,000 or so, others in Gibraltar & nearby Spain. The Brits moaning at the border queues are simply staggering, but the Brits living on the Costas who voted Brexit to stop immigrants take the top prizes for incredulity. On a positive note, there could be a corresponding increase in abandoned cheap UK registered boats & vans & properties for the locals to scoop up cheaply!
The problem with buying a UK registered boat in a EU country is that it will need to be reregistered in a EU country and that involves a survey, valuation and VAT paid all in a foreign language. Alternatively if the boat is in the Aegean sea it can be sailed to Turkey for just a day then it can be kept in the EU for another 18 months without reregistering, in the Ionion sea the boat can be sailed to Albania for a day and in Spain, sailed to Morocco for a day, if the boat is in the South of France that's more of a problem because it's probably over a week to sail to Morocco from there, but it's all part of the fun.
I planned to sail 4500 miles around the Med when I retired I bought a project boat and spent 7 years turning it into my ideal boat for the trip. Then just before I was due to retire and set off. Brexit happened to say I am annoyed and angry is an understatement. Worse I lost my job because I occasionally had to work for short periods in the EU. I have been stunned by just how gullible the British people are and I am now trying to work out how to get my EU citizenship back.
Is the Mediterranean really your reason to stop sailing. If you really don’t like the med then why stop sailing, just sail somewhere else, don’t quit sailing. We have lived onboard full time for 7 years in the Mediterranean, loved it. OK we are leaving the Mediterranean next year but only to sail more of the world
Not sure where you're getting this from? We've never said anything like that. We have made clear many times we are investing in property, and also that we aren't stopping sailing. We'd either be selling our boat and taking a break to save some money, or In fact we may sail our boat back to the UK next year, maybe then to Sweden, maybe somewhere else - who knows. However, we can assure you we know our own minds and what we want more than anyone that watches our videos does. So you can trust that we are doing what suits us best, cheers 👍
It's not so much Brexit that is the problem with the 90 day rule, it's Brussels attitude to the British because they chose to leave the EU. Brussels makes the rules and they can change the rules if they wanted to, for example citizens from EU countries can come to the UK for 180 days at a time, that's UK rules. Unfortunately the Brussels unelected presidents have taken it personally that the British don't want to be in there club, so all we hear from them is "it's the UK leaving the EU, not the EU leaving the UK." Until the Brussels elites start thinking like adults rather than children many Brits will find other places to spend their money.
HOW TO GET ROUND THE 90 DAY RULE - You have the legal right to say check out of the Balearics with ´no plan´ on where you would like to sail next, and nor do you have to disclose that information. Once checked out you can make your way to Greece lets say and stop and anchor along the way, this is completely legal under Article 17 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea allows ships of all States to enjoy the “right of innocent passage” through the territorial sea. Article 18 states that passage shall be “continuous and expeditious”. Passage includes “stopping and anchoring”, but only in so far as the same are “incidental to ordinary navigation or are rendered necessary by force majeure”.
Are you a Brexiter? As a 3rd Country Citizen you are only allowed 90 days in 180 days. Can you explain how you think you can ignore the rules of Schengen with an obscure rule of the sea?
@@ChrisGamble @sailing_Gypsy is making a valid point, although this might be better explained and in truth may not be a solution for every situation. Essentially, you can clear yourself and your vessel out of any EU port for sea (beyond the 12M zone) and in so doing obtain a Schengen 'exit by sea' stamp in your passport and thus your 90 days have stopped counting down and will not start again until you clear yourself in again at another - or indeed the same - EU port. How long you delay official re-entry of yourself and your vessel back into the EU and how much "stopping and anchoring" under the right of navigation through a territory you are willing to try before checking in again will of course be a matter for individual discretion and the specific circumstances.
And Brexit itself is not a reason to not sail the Meds! And aren't changing weather situations a challenge for sailors! What kind of Sunday afternoon sailors are you that you do not like good winds and changing weather....
1 st. Mediterranean sea is beautiful and full off beauty, 2nd freedom of travel is only for EU members, but you are welcome follow our procedures like for us in UK or other sides of the planet, 3rd under q10 or over 20 nods is all over the planet specially caribean sea, from Portugal to Greece we have the most spectacular coast and places for sailing and visit, please be honest and tell is your opinion, beacouse thousands believe the Mediterranean sea is a paradise! Sorry but you don't even have years of experience ! please be serious and do not talk about things are not well known
So you are allowed to express your opinion on OUR youtube channel but we're not allowed to express our own? Strange thought process. If you had actually watched our videos then no doubt you would be able to see that what we have said in this video is a reflection of our experiences. If you read the comments you will see there are people who agree with us. Why does every single persons opinion have to line up with yours? People can think different things buddy it's a free country :) 👍also, the freedom of travel isn't the same as EU members in the UK actually. EU members can stay for 6 months in the UK, not the 90 days that UK residents in EU are limited to .
There is always noth africa like moroco, tunis and others. Keep in international waters. They cant touch you. Just pick a non eu port. Brexit waz not done right, it was a balls up to be true thanms to boris and may.
But but but.... you're got blue passports! You can get a visa for 180 days. "own different ways of doing it..." you mean they have sovereign control independently whilst in the EU... Who knew! 🤣
Not really sure what you mean. What visa are you referring to? We mean, all EU countries apparently share protocols for Schengen restrictions - but when you actually get to these countries they clearly don't. For example, Italy demanding a record issued from the Spanish government proving where we've been and when. But then Spain claiming they do not have any such records to issue - causing big problems in Italy. Not entirely sure if that's what you meant and if we've misunderstood but feel free to expand on your comment :)
@@ChasingCurrents The blue passports and every country being different because they each have their own different rules (independently sovereign.) was a little tongue in cheek comment towards all those who were conned about Brexit. Each have their own rules as you found. Recently friends have spent 180 days in the EU. This was by applying to the French for a long stay visa before leaving the UK. They spent a mixture of time in France, Spain and the Netherlands with both a Camper and their boat that is kept there all year. How much they bent the rules I'm not sure but they didn't have any problems.
@@ChasingCurrents Not an insult just an observation.... I usually like your videos but man I would have started with the positives. As for Brexit.. according to the Tories there are a lot of benefits !!
@@DRB68 I do feel like all of our videos represent the positives and beauty of the Med. This video was titled reasons NOT to sail the Med, we think we started it pretty accurately to the title. We have always endeavoured to show both the good and the bad, it's what we would like to have seen when starting our journey. Totally fine if you didn't like it though! As for Brexit well, that's a whole other video on it's own haha
Please stop Bryn barking 😊😊😊. The upside of BREXIT is that we are no longer slaves and recipients to rules made in BRUSSELS...There ARE many upsides to that ...however , as you have found , some downsides as well ...which you guys have been able to navigate through 😀...Doing a cross Atlantic or another journey route then it will not have an impact #The Sailing Brothers and #Sailing Yacht Florence ...take care both x
We were not slaves. Even now when the economical impact is started to be felt how can you think there is any upside? The UK held a veto to any major votes and out of the thousands of implemented rules we only voted against a handful in all the time we were members. It isn't a faultless system. But we were better off economically than we will be now.
A good balanced video based on your experience, sailing in the med. Fair play!
Excellent advice guys. What an amazing couple you are!
Wow, that’s a lot of good reasons, thanks for sharing. I’ll probably spend this year along the south of Ireland, mostly exploring West Cork and maybe a bit of Kerry.
Where are you planning next for quieter cruising? There’s a lot of lovely places around Britain and Ireland and plenty of secluded anchorages too. I look forward to exploring lots of them.
Thanks for the honest review, always good to hear different opinions 😊⛵️⚓️🦜
Great info. Many thanks for the tips
Yep…can’t argue with any of them but, as you say, there are some stunning bits too. Damn shame schengen doesn’t allow us to stay for both shoulder seasons to enjoy it when it’s quieter! Anyway thanks for linking to our schengen vid…much appreciated 😊😊
Great video. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video…
Was thinking about crossing the pond to the Med next summer…. You have changed my mind…
Going to stay in Florida Keys, Bahamas and Caribbean….
Recognized you from the Admiralty Channel. We live full time on our Lagoon 420…
Appreciate the candid input…
The Med definitely has it's selling points, but for sure we'd like to head to the Bahamas and Caribbean! We have no doubt we'll end up sailing there at some point, or maybe buying a boat already over there haha. Aw that's awesome, cheers for checking out our channel then too 😁
@@ChasingCurrents The whole 90 days thing kind of messes up any extended touring plans. I looked into getting Spanish residency, but it is complicated.
Nice insight guys, lots to consider if anyone is Med bound. I was just about to type to say I cannot forgive you for not showing your doggy who was clearly in need of some attention, but then she popped up at the end. Love dogs, mind you my two do restrict my sailing. Happy days guys. Andy UK
Yeah, just some food for thought as there were alot of factors that we hadn't even heard about before heading to the Med. Can see why it gets so much hype though, so many stunning places to visit and not enough time 😬. Aww don't you worry she gets a lot of attention haha, couldn't leave without letting her get a little CZcams appearance though ;) she's an old girl now at 13! Cheers Andy, hope you're well 😁
Thanks for the great information. As an American, the Schengen Visa has nearly killed my dream of sailing my boat to the eastern Med. I will check out your links to see how to get around the issue. I am sure there is more than one way to cook a potato!!! Thanks again.
I found your video very informative and overall positive about your experience in the Med. It's definitely an area I intend to cruise in the near future, so its good to be informed in order to be prepared. As someone from an EU member state, I can honestly say we respect the UK decision to leave the EU but unfortunately the freedom of travel is only guaranteed to member states. I really do hope that a better travel agreement (both ways) can be sorted in the near future, as there are no winners. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I think us leaving was good for the UK in the long term but not so good for me as a yachty. I will sail in Scotland.
You should also explore Sicily, Croatia, Montenegro, Greece and Turkey to get the full picture of the Med.
Croatia is very expensive for cruisers, but I agree with the other suggestions.
Thanks Boris!
Fab vid guys and good to know both of your thoughts about the Med. Now then, when are you bringing Talisman back? And do you need/would you like a 3rd pair of hands? I'm just getting my funds together for next season after spending a huge chunk on Jazzi's new engine and would love to do some proper blue water passeges. Think I am sailing south in around April/May time for 6 months of boat life .... Hope you are both well ⛵😁🍺
Were undecided at the minute where we will be sailing haha. Keep an eye though as if we do need crew it would be a good way to get some miles under a belt. Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
Woah the timing. I was just wondering if i could sail from croatia to turkey
Well done 👍
Absolutely correct 👍.
Sailing the Meds is NOT what most "influencer" show on their always "happy, easy living, sunshine always exited nonsense videos.
Fact is here it is:
Extremely expensive.
Almost everywhere is overcrowded.
Noisy due stupid "party/disco vessel who destroy any peace and quiet everywhere.
Almost the wrong wind.
Choppy waves.
Zero to none fishing grounds.
This is why those CZcams celebrities come and go as
Sad but true 👍
This is why I like and follow you 2.
No bullshit and straight forward.
Many thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you for honest review.. It might be better to travel the Med by land and go elswhere with the boat
Leaving for the Med in 2 months 😑
When you go to the reset countries, how long do you have to stay there before returning to Schengen countries?
Take care and God bless 💚
Awesome! You will love it i'm sure, just got to adapt to it's quirks 😅 If you've spent 90 days in the Schengen countries, you then need to spend 90 days in the reset countries. All the best, and fair winds for your upcoming adventures!
Great vid
We have been to the med chartering many times, would love to get our boat there, but recently I keep thinking of the Baltic as an alternative !
Nice, but a short season and quite developed. Mind you the days when Greece and Turkey were dirt cheap are pretty much long gone.
I will strongly recommend Sweden and Norway.
Thank you for your points of view. Brilliant ..... Its like driving a car on bank hiliday here in the UK . You ask yourself is it worthit?? Fair Winds and Following Seas.
The third piece of the Admiralty, haha glad to find your site
Aw welcome to the channel 😁
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching
I was also thinking about lone sailing around the med, then learnt about the 90 days, Orcas, party people, jet ski's full up anchorage and thinking less and less about it, Im looking at other places to go from the Uk, will be 1000's of miles further, but its the journey I'm looking forward to, With the prop foul, im an x commercial fisherman, and spent many times over the back cutting off the fouled nets, even in winter in the English channel, i didn't understand why you didn't do the same? then i saw the bit about Orcas bumping you boat, OMG good choice not doing the same as i use too, thank you for the info, very well done.
Great video. Are you back in the UK now? (21/02/23)
We are 😁
I enjoyed your video, your down to earth style, and sharing your experiences which I will " take on board "😅. Planning on sailing the Med in next 2 years, applying for Portuguese residency in hope to minimalise Brexit horrors, though don't fully understand how it works, as even EU residents have limitations...90/ 180, anyone explain this?! ❤
Off topic a little bit! I’m just intrigued as to what’s in your vivarium?!
They are actually just plants, moss etc! Though I have in the past couple of days got a pair of vampire crabs in one of them 😁 In the past those tanks did hold poison dart frogs :)
What are your sailing plans for next season?
That is still yet to be decided haha. We keep changing our minds!
Are you not able to use Albania and Montenegro as a visa reset?
Great info as usual, thanks! I guess the new Brexit limitations impacted everything because you were hurried and couldn't fully explore ways around the other problems. The Brexit thing is turning out to be pretty annoying for Britons on so many fronts. But your series was really educational and inspirational, haven't seen every episode but will most likely go back to them looking for specific info.
Yeah, was definitely limited due to Brexit unfortunately! Hopefully some countries start to offer ways around this soon, shame to miss out on such beautiful places. Thank you, hope you enjoy the rest of the episodes :)
@@ChasingCurrents Yeah it sucks. I just read that the probable future PM has been saying Brexit or even a special borders/trade deal won't be on the table again. This is despite a load of data coming out showing Brexit has hurt the country in different ways. Glad you could sail the Med anyway, which is likely to be my limited playground if/when I ever get my own boat. ;-)
Croatia is now also in Schengen!
Another positive take on it all... apply for residency in Spain and avoid Brexit rules ? You can apply from UK if you are thinking about a new life.. Spain is wonderful. I live here and I've just started sailing. My boyfriend is an experienced sailer so I'm getting great tutoring and enjoying the Med so far ( first mini cruise last week )
Of course you’re getting tutored. Women are loved unconditionally; men are loved for what they can provide (conditionally).
Nice review! The Mediterranean has basically been fished out, and the EU has way too late started to do something about it. tbh, I think it may need a couple of 5 year Fidhing Bans to kick-start a recovery. The EU Fishing Fleets have pretty much set UK territorial Waters on the same path to destruction, but we could get started with a 2 year complete Ban, as Herring Stocks really bounce back fast and we can restart Kippers for breakfast if we get fish smokers ready and smaller fishing boats built, and Crews trained up during the stopped fishing period. a couple of years restricted to British small boats fishing herring, at the end of that 4 years have passed and we should be able to start adding Mackerel for example, and start doing a proper assessment of what stocks have started to make a healthy recovery, and add another species for another two years, and reassess again, which means some species have now had a 6 year rest to begin recovering. The problem is UK territorial waters are critically important biodiversity of sea life popolations, and since we joined the EEC they've been relentlessly hammered with things like big trawlers Pulse Fishing. Planned wave goodbye quick trip with New Boat. delivery Crew from South Coast to Gibraltar, Provisioning and Fuel fill, Popping across to Morocco, just to see how things have Changed, from there straight to North Cyprus for a fill up and stopover for a few days, then to Turkey, and check things over Making sure to get close to hayloft and service intervals there, including for the tender's Outbosrd. maybe as much as 3 months, then back West to Spain with 90 days in the Bank and haulout full service and checkout, plus any warranty issues seen to, plus check the test of Cold Galvanising Zinc as antifoul, if working as well expected, slap another coat on and relaunch, head to Funkyrola Marina, for a last few pints of the best Guinness I've ever had in the Irish bar there, then down to Gib, provision and Fuel, and off to Madeira and the Canaries with a delivery crew. Then to Cape Verde, maybe with pick up Crew of people wanting trips for Yachtmaster Offshore logs, and such. Depends who is around. From Cape Verde, tbh, if no Crew to head East, I wouldn't mind Soloing across by around then. or tie it in with people who would like to tag along behind the ARC. 6 months plus sailing and leaving the Eastern Med September ish, Boatwork should be done early November, Could be good timing for around ARC time in the Canaries, if there us anyone with enough money for it to happen next year. 🤔 Vest Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍
God has spoken! Completely agree on the fishing comments regarding our home waters. And kippers! Yum! Of course everything that followed was pure gold :)
nothing more than the fishing is true, but our sea is beautiful and charm, we are happy to receive any other countries people like UK, but please be sensible your comments maybe tell your feeling against EU.
@@tonygia9655 The mistake you make is thinking the EU is your friend. It isn't. Far from it, and the Truth a out just how Big and Enemy of We The People it is, and What a Malevolence it is, is going to become Public Know,edge for the Peoples of Europe ery Soon now. So Ewart. Anyone Tagged as Supporting the European Union, and the Crimes Against Humanity it has been Committing, is going to fi d themselves in Far Ceeper Trouble than they Can Presently Comprehend, as it sinks in just how small a minority the trouble akers really are. Best Advice - Wake The Fuck Up As Fast As Possible, and Do Not Find Yourself on the Wrong Side of History's Fence. And Do Not Attempt To Fake it. Nobody will like the Consequences that come with pretending Not to be a Supporter of the Satan Worshipping Ritual Human Dacrificing Khazarian Mafia Death Cult - and that, via the WEF and Klaus Schwab, is what the European Union is all a out. A quick guide to if you are fast asleep on the wrong side of the fe ce, is if you are a ,title blue and yellow flag waving Ukraine Nazi Supporter. Such idiots have now screwed themselves es and have tagged themselves for being dealt with. Comprende ? 🤔
Are the immigration restrictions to do with the registry of the boat, or the nationality of the crew? Or both? I live in England but have Irish nationality and wondered if i coukd register a boat in ireland. My partner is British though, so i guess we'd still face restrictions?
Hey, so I don't think you will face the same restrictions in your case. The best advice I can give is to contact sailing tonic on Instagram as they have done what you mention with exactly the same situation. I hope this helps 👍
@ChasingCurrents aww that's great, thankyou for the advice, I'llcheck them out. Hope you're both keeping well :)
Yes this is how it is in the Med. As a sailor my self, the Med is not really an attraction for me eventhough I come from the Mediteranean. Come up to Scandinavia. A sailing paradise. But! No warm waters and no high temperatures. Although we can be lucky sometimes to have beautiful weather. Sailing the Swedish archipelago, either West or East is sweet! South and West coast of Norway also fantastic and Denmark. But, preferably not in the high season which streches from the beginning of July until about the middle of August. June and towards the end of August is wonderful.
Hmm I want to explore up there but half the draw to sailing to me is being in swim trunks and jumping into clear water! 🤔
How about Europeans sailing British waters? What's the post-Brexit ruling for Europeans? BTW, on the topic of storms in the Med.. the videos on the 18 aug '22 Corsica storm are an eye-opener.
Well, if it's as European countries allow us. It should be about 2 days. Time to wake up and change the rules Europe.
I believe they can still stay for 180 days, which is what it was before Brexit. however we were the same (180 days) before Brexit, it went to 90 days after Brexit, this is just another way of punishing the UK for Brexit (Spiteful organization).
@@johnborne1175 I think it was more a case of the UK government not trying to negotiate it. Personally I don't think any of the main parties in the UK have any commitment to Brexit.
@@johnborne1175 I think you'll find that because of Brexit, the UK is now equivalent to other non EU countries, e.g., USA, Canada etc. You all have the same visa requirements when entering the EU. Its not the UK being punished, it was the UK's choice, no?
I came down to the med 2012. Staying here since then. I organised charter sailing , had AIRBNB on 2 extra boats . Now i 72 and just sail for fun . I speak spanish now and i am never ripped of. Very often i got free moorings here in Spain as i know a lot of people. This year i will bring down my last boat ( from Sweden ) here , and i will stay here for ever. In 2023 i sailed 6 months in the baltic sea , cold,rainy,expensive its not worth the money to freese. Have a nice sailing summer 2024 . We have sunny here in Barcelona today. 👍⛵🇪🇦
Very interesting video for someone planning to sail to Portugal in June from NI. I plan to take the boat out of the water in Nazare and sail her from October March.
My main concern are Orcas. I may decide to go to Madeira and Canary Islands instead.
I have absolutely no interest in crowded anchorages, marinas and party boats. Also interesting what you said about end.
Thankfully the 90 day bureaucracy will not apply because being Northern Irish we can apply for Irish EU passports.
Thank you. Useful insight. ⛵️
How about Scotland for sea life and quiet (mainly free) anchorages? No Brexit issues either.
I see absolutely no point in restricting the movement of people who aren't working and taking local jobs. I've never heard a logical reason for it either.
Honestly Scotland is a big possibility at the minute, like you said beautiful sea life and lots of quiet places! The freedom to stay there does sound quite appealing too. Yeah it doesn't seem to make much sense does it. We do keep hearing about different countries offering cruisers visas etc, but we've seen nothing come into play as of yet that would work for us.
nice video
Thank you!
and now Croatia is in the Schengen agreement
i'm not a sailor but am a 'wannabee' :-) maybe you can look into getting/utilizing a 'sea anchor'? this hopefully would let you 'anchor' off-shore in deep water and avoid all those pesky annoying motor boats etc. :-))
Dreams crushed in 18 minutes😢
Nothing in life is completely smooth sailing! It's better to accept that it's not all the 'perfect' image of champagne sailing but that it will be an adventure. CZcams videos like this are just people's opinions, watch a few different videos and form your own opinions and go for it if it's what you want to do :) If you've only watched this video and not our other ones you should go and watch them, you'll see there really is good and bad in every story 😊
Welcome to post u know what bureaucratic hell.. the best places are at the Eastern end past Italy and off the regular tracks.
Agree about the Med being a bit of a washing machine and blow dryer 😂
The storms are a feature thats going to increase.
Yeah, that makes sense! Sure there must be some lovely hidden gems on that side. We definitely didn't appreciate how unpredictable the weather could be when we were envisioning all the champagne sails we'd be having 😂 We thought the UK was meant to be the challenging place to learn, the Med has kept us on our toes that's for sure haha. Have to say, the big storm we experienced was the scariest night of our life, really hope to not have to be in one of those again!
You get checking in and out in all countries outside the Mediterranean also.
As for transit log for your boat that is nothing to do with Schengen, that is related to tax being paid on your boat. If you sail back to the uk you are more likely to have to pay the vat there!
Yes Brexshit is a pain for ordering parts from EU and does limit time spent in a large area rather than 90 days in each country. However you just work around it like all the other none EU citizens have to do. It changed our plans but you can definitely get to places but you sail longer passages and just go for it. We sailed from Barcelona to Kefalonia in 7 days.
So where is the places that you like to cruise?
Balarics and the Spanish Rias definitely had a place in our hearts. Both for different reasons, but equally beautiful and brilliant to cruise! Thanks for the question 😁
Good of you to share your thoughts on cruising in the Mediterranean.
While I would love to visit the Mediterranean, I have no interest in sailing there. Mainly because of it being overcrowded, and the weather is very inconsistent with respect to sailing.
There is an exemption to the 90 day Schengen rule for marine (and air crew).
Mate the orca situation is definitely not good, however there is a far greater risk of orca attack in the Atlantic a coast off Spain and Portugal than inside the Mediterranean itself.
Are the Orcas attacking the boats because the boats are taking all the fish?
Nope, Croatia is in Schoengen now.
I’ve been skippering charter yachts in the Greek Islands for over 20 years and some of your points are very true,each to their own.
Definitely choose the off peak periods, as a certified dive instructor the Mediterranean is not the most plentiful area for marine life, much prefer the coral reefs and wrecks in the pacific. As for crowded anchorage’s I have had many tangled anchor chains, and my device called an anchor trip can deal with several chains at once, other yachts have been heard to say what the F...k did he just do as we Motor away from the mess of knitting? You are correct in saying other yachts have limited skill at Mediterranean mooring especially stern to, this is a skill that you get better at over time and my charters prefer this as the guests can step ashore and choose a restaurant, or rent a motor bike and explore the island. Brexit has not affected my Mediterranean experience as I live in New Zealand so it is always seasonal. I’m now retired mainly due to the Syrian crisis and then Covid, but as you can see your purpose is somewhat different to my Mediterranean experience. But good points for people to consider when planning a Sailing trip to the Mediterranean. Kind regards Alan Inglis
I began sailing the Med back in '76 as a professional yacht skipper.. yes, I know.. your grandfather's time. I'm still sailing in the Med, though only for pleasure. Two major differences you may not be aware of being relatively new to the scene.. 1) Cost. Keeping a boat in the Med now is eye-wateringly expensive.. and if you don't want to cough up the marina fees, you can be sure there's someone from Germany, Spain, or wherever, a dozen other countries that are scrambling to reach for their chequebook. Another sad fact. There are fewer and fewer owner yachties.. you're far more likely to be tied up alongside a charter yacht crammed with a crowd of half Pi$$ed vacation people, the worst being large multihulls crewed by Russians, most looking and dressed like Putin's bodyguards.
I do know some places where You can almost choose the wind you want, magical acnchorages.. unspoiled, romantic settings.. Am I likely to list them here..?
Wow, you definitely must have seen a lot of changes in the Med over that period! We agree with you there, we were very often surrounded by charter yachts in anchorages - far too close for comfort in a lot of situations. Wouldn't blame you for keeping those magical sounding places to yourself ;)
I wouldn't name them personally, but with the scale of the Global Crash that's coming, likely far bigger than 2008, the number of boats around Offshore, in the Med, etc, could well fall dramatically. I was first Afloat in the Med, after a rough trip through Bay of Biscay, in 1967 believe it or not. A .particularly hot summer in Spain, even worse in Portugal, where people were dropping dead in the streets of Lisbon. Apart from stinky Harbours, the Med itself was very clean once away from them. Pretty much the same in 1969. Harbours started getting a lot less Stinky from the 1970's. 👍
Really? So you have 90 days in the EU in 180 which does not mean leaving for one day gives you another 18 months. Where did you get this from?
www.independent.co.uk/travel/europe/europe-90-180-day-brexit-uk-passport-b2274556.html
There's a difference between us and schengen (you have to leave EU for 90 days before returning for another 90 days) and the boat being in Europe for Tax reasons (leaving Europe for 1 day means its not counted as an import). For Schengen after 90 days we as individuals need to leave for 90 days (not the boat).
The EU are ignoring Maritime Law. There is no other continent that expects a sailor to transit in 90 day’s. 🤔🇪🇸
Waves in the mad compared to the Atlantic apart from wind against tide is nor really related to tides. Waves are made by wind where ever that is in the world. Mediterranean waves are shorter frequency due to less fetch, less distance for the waves to travel. The weather this year was not bad, we for instance we didn’t get a Medicane (hurricane) this year like past years. Guys be fair the Mediterranean is one of the best cruising grounds in the world, that is why it does get busy. 😀⛵️
If you are wanting it beautiful scenery, good weather then it will attract more people.
Wow you are painting a poor picture of what is one of the best places to sail in the world. You didn’t get far into the Mediterranean, go further east far less cruisers. We have sailed from west, Spain, to east Israel and north to Croatia. There is so much to see and fantastic cruising grounds.
That's interesting, we've had loads of long term Med cruisers tell us the weather has been very unpredictable this year. Honestly feel like you're just picking the negatives out of the video. We said that exact same thing in the video, it gets busy because it's beautiful. We said about the culture and it being an amazing cruising ground etc. If we decide we want to cruise somewhere else and the Med isn't for us, it's only our opinions on our own channel. We said that we want to be somewhere with abundant sea life, the Med doesn't have that. Enough videos talk about how amazing the Med is, I think it only fair that we can share our thoughts too both good and bad. We want to paint a realistic picture :)
@@ChasingCurrentsnice honest video do not take any notice of the negative doom merchant Davy Jones locker guardian of the deep😊
Just try to avoid August and all is fine. If you go to tourist places of course there crowded. When I anchor I'm usually the only one there and I chuck a line in and catch my lunch. Try sailing in the Solent on a Bank holiday that's what I call crowded.
Don't speed through anchorages!!
I agree!
I loved greece Ilive in Irelanda del norte mi encnta grecco ,espana😅
Hmm sad to hear some of these, and especially the orcas whome i love. Im in the us and hear sailboats can be 40% or more cheaper in the med. I want ro live in italy and greece sail around exploring Europe.
On the good side, since Brexit, there are fewer cruisers in the Mediterranean.
the weather is greta thunbergs fault
look into diplomatic passports. you can get a passport from the forgien office not HM passports office and pretend you dont have a birth cert.. However you might need to know what happens when you are needed to evacuate an area. Or have dual nationality ...and 2 passports
you guys should take the mast down and go up through french canals and rivers to the uk. sack the bay of biscay off.
That's definitely what we're considering!
As we ususally say down here:
If you can sail the Med, you can sail anywhere.
Funny that I've heard that about the Solent and I have heard that about Cornwall.... May be more to do with local pride perhaps
@@Allezlesbleusful I learned to sail on the west and north coast of France and I thought I became good at it, until I started sailing the Med and realized how much more there was to learn.
@@feshfeshsailing Yes, I would agree, but I think this is the same for all of us. No matter where we learned or where we sail regularly, new waters bring new challenges and learning opportunities. I don't have a great deal of sailing experience in the Med beyond charter in the Ionians and a brief spell teaching dinghy sailing for a couple of summers. I did keep a boat in Cap d'Agde for a while but that was day trips only, tramontane allowing
Allez les bleus!
They made it to the quarter finals with minimum effort. I see them making it to the last 4, perhaps even to the final.
Time will tell. Serious business just starting now.
Simple solution ... Charter!
If you'd done a couple of things differently. You'd have avoided most of your 'issues'. France goes on holiday in August. Like clockwork. So, either avoid the congested areas or don't go there in August. Research. Plan ahead and then have contingencies. Be aware that during peak months, if you're seeking peace and quiet, you'll have to use the more 'off-grid' locations. If you're a marine biologist, how can you not be aware that in many places, the Med has been denuded of fish. There are vast areas of the Med, where the rental crowd never or hardly ever go. I'm not spilling the beans here. A little research and you can find them yourselves. If you'd done any research beforehand, you'd be aware of the named winds and usually they're very predictable. Anyways. Nobody died. So all's well that ends well ;)
We didn't go to France. Specifically our season this year was spent making our way from Almerimar, balearics, sardinia, to Italy. We are aware, as we said in the video we knew the Med was overfished. Doesn't take a marine biologist to know that! It doesn't mean everyone does though, hence why it's in the video. It's a problem with Med sailing in our opinion, not sure how research and planning would have avoided this aspect? Also, nothing prepares you for physically seeing trawlers, dead animals, destroyed Seagrass and eco systems. So I think it's more than fair to say its still a shock to witness in person. Virtually everyone we've spoken to, seasoned Med sailors included, have said this seasons weather has been unusual. We aren't talking specifically about the named winds being unpredictable. The weather in general is, we aren't the only ones to say this so don't really feel like lack of research is the issue. We constantly checked forecasts, forums, blogs and still got caught out plenty of times with opposite forecasts. Thanks for commenting though, and if ever you feel like spilling the beans on off grid spots we're all ears 🤣
You guys from the black country ?
Is it that obvious ;) Yeah, Brynn is from Oldbury and I'm Halesowen way if those mean anything to you!
I think the chances of hitting a semi floating container is probably higher than being munched on by an orca. Each to their own, it would not put me off. Should get a downvote for no recipe in this video! ;-)
Several boats are damaged each month by Orcas near Portugal so no containers aren't even close to as big of a threat.
Nothing shocking.
The Brexit and Bureaucracy stuff is also not a surprise. Shocks me how many sailors and expats voted for it.
We find the wind to be predictable.
Stay safe.
So you are telling us that Brexit actually was a really stupid idea?????
Don't leave without visiting Greece! Greece will change your mind.
But you have to sail in the agean and not in the overcrowded Ionian charter sea... Bays galore and even in August very reasonable amounts of sailing boats. And for you who are affected by Brexshit you can stay your 90 days out of Schengen in Turkey... I am lucky to have a German Passport and I spend about 6 months a year overthere on my trimaran...
@@matthiasvonmutius9264 That's an excellent point about the Agean sea, to get around the Schengen rules keeping a boat in Turkiye and sailing over to Greece for a few months is a great way to stay within the EU rules. 👍
carry a spear to fight off the orca's
Brexit benefits keep on giving! Not only cruising but other British travellers penalised by Brexit including Campervanners, Caravanners & those with overseas properties. The most unexplained phenomena is just how many of these actually voted Brexit themselves! I live in Spain & work in Gibraltar & my life has been impacted negatively & as has 200,000 or so, others in Gibraltar & nearby Spain. The Brits moaning at the border queues are simply staggering, but the Brits living on the Costas who voted Brexit to stop immigrants take the top prizes for incredulity. On a positive note, there could be a corresponding increase in abandoned cheap UK registered boats & vans & properties for the locals to scoop up cheaply!
The problem with buying a UK registered boat in a EU country is that it will need to be reregistered in a EU country and that involves a survey, valuation and VAT paid all in a foreign language.
Alternatively if the boat is in the Aegean sea it can be sailed to Turkey for just a day then it can be kept in the EU for another 18 months without reregistering, in the Ionion sea the boat can be sailed to Albania for a day and in Spain, sailed to Morocco for a day, if the boat is in the South of France that's more of a problem because it's probably over a week to sail to Morocco from there, but it's all part of the fun.
Boo hoo I live in a sovereign nation, wait a minute aren't the invaders STILL pouring in over the boarder
Get a Digital Nomad Visa, and sail to Brazil.
That would be awesome! Unfortunately we don't fit the income criteria yet for the visa - but when we do maybe 😁 Brazil would be awesome.
I planned to sail 4500 miles around the Med when I retired I bought a project boat and spent 7 years turning it into my ideal boat for the trip. Then just before I was due to retire and set off. Brexit happened to say I am annoyed and angry is an understatement. Worse I lost my job because I occasionally had to work for short periods in the EU. I have been stunned by just how gullible the British people are and I am now trying to work out how to get my EU citizenship back.
I mean... you can always be a pirate right
@@koxtheknight7087 with the new digital visa waiver scheme coming on line next year they are killing all the pirates with bureaucracy.
@@Sailing_Antrice yikes imma be dead 💀💀
Is the Mediterranean really your reason to stop sailing. If you really don’t like the med then why stop sailing, just sail somewhere else, don’t quit sailing.
We have lived onboard full time for 7 years in the Mediterranean, loved it. OK we are leaving the Mediterranean next year but only to sail more of the world
Not sure where you're getting this from? We've never said anything like that. We have made clear many times we are investing in property, and also that we aren't stopping sailing. We'd either be selling our boat and taking a break to save some money, or In fact we may sail our boat back to the UK next year, maybe then to Sweden, maybe somewhere else - who knows. However, we can assure you we know our own minds and what we want more than anyone that watches our videos does. So you can trust that we are doing what suits us best, cheers 👍
@@ChasingCurrents best or luck, hope it all works out for you
Sorry to hear your going to quit sailing
I think I'll just skip the Med tbh. Too rushed to be viable for a non EU liveaboard.
It's not so much Brexit that is the problem with the 90 day rule, it's Brussels attitude to the British because they chose to leave the EU.
Brussels makes the rules and they can change the rules if they wanted to, for example citizens from EU countries can come to the UK for 180 days at a time, that's UK rules.
Unfortunately the Brussels unelected presidents have taken it personally that the British don't want to be in there club, so all we hear from them is "it's the UK leaving the EU, not the EU leaving the UK."
Until the Brussels elites start thinking like adults rather than children many Brits will find other places to spend their money.
HOW TO GET ROUND THE 90 DAY RULE - You have the legal right to say check out of the Balearics with ´no plan´ on where you would like to sail next, and nor do you have to disclose that information. Once checked out you can make your way to Greece lets say and stop and anchor along the way, this is completely legal under Article 17 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea allows ships of all States to enjoy the “right of innocent passage” through the territorial sea. Article 18 states that passage shall be “continuous and expeditious”. Passage includes “stopping and anchoring”, but only in so far as the same are “incidental to ordinary navigation or are rendered necessary by force majeure”.
Are you a Brexiter? As a 3rd Country Citizen you are only allowed 90 days in 180 days. Can you explain how you think you can ignore the rules of Schengen with an obscure rule of the sea?
@@ChrisGamble @sailing_Gypsy is making a valid point, although this might be better explained and in truth may not be a solution for every situation. Essentially, you can clear yourself and your vessel out of any EU port for sea (beyond the 12M zone) and in so doing obtain a Schengen 'exit by sea' stamp in your passport and thus your 90 days have stopped counting down and will not start again until you clear yourself in again at another - or indeed the same - EU port. How long you delay official re-entry of yourself and your vessel back into the EU and how much "stopping and anchoring" under the right of navigation through a territory you are willing to try before checking in again will of course be a matter for individual discretion and the specific circumstances.
And Brexit itself is not a reason to not sail the Meds! And aren't changing weather situations a challenge for sailors! What kind of Sunday afternoon sailors are you that you do not like good winds and changing weather....
Reverse Brexit NOW!
1 st. Mediterranean sea is beautiful and full off beauty, 2nd freedom of travel is only for EU members, but you are welcome follow our procedures like for us in UK or other sides of the planet, 3rd under q10 or over 20 nods is all over the planet specially caribean sea, from Portugal to Greece we have the most spectacular coast and places for sailing and visit, please be honest and tell is your opinion, beacouse thousands believe the Mediterranean sea is a paradise! Sorry but you don't even have years of experience ! please be serious and do not talk about things are not well known
So you are allowed to express your opinion on OUR youtube channel but we're not allowed to express our own? Strange thought process. If you had actually watched our videos then no doubt you would be able to see that what we have said in this video is a reflection of our experiences. If you read the comments you will see there are people who agree with us. Why does every single persons opinion have to line up with yours? People can think different things buddy it's a free country :) 👍also, the freedom of travel isn't the same as EU members in the UK actually. EU members can stay for 6 months in the UK, not the 90 days that UK residents in EU are limited to .
Turkey is not Europe….
Soon will be in EU though looks like
The UK wanted Brexit - now you have it. Who voted for it & why?
There is always noth africa like moroco, tunis and others. Keep in international waters. They cant touch you. Just pick a non eu port.
Brexit waz not done right, it was a balls up to be true thanms to boris and may.
Angry killer whales? LOL
But you got your country back 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
And lost freedom of travel in the EU 🙃
@@ChasingCurrents insanity. Good luck 🤞
But but but.... you're got blue passports! You can get a visa for 180 days. "own different ways of doing it..." you mean they have sovereign control independently whilst in the EU... Who knew! 🤣
Not really sure what you mean. What visa are you referring to? We mean, all EU countries apparently share protocols for Schengen restrictions - but when you actually get to these countries they clearly don't. For example, Italy demanding a record issued from the Spanish government proving where we've been and when. But then Spain claiming they do not have any such records to issue - causing big problems in Italy. Not entirely sure if that's what you meant and if we've misunderstood but feel free to expand on your comment :)
@@ChasingCurrents The blue passports and every country being different because they each have their own different rules (independently sovereign.) was a little tongue in cheek comment towards all those who were conned about Brexit. Each have their own rules as you found. Recently friends have spent 180 days in the EU. This was by applying to the French for a long stay visa before leaving the UK. They spent a mixture of time in France, Spain and the Netherlands with both a Camper and their boat that is kept there all year. How much they bent the rules I'm not sure but they didn't have any problems.
Fking brexit making everyones life difficult.
Bloody hell... a couple of moaning poms and Bregret !!
Not sure if this is an insult? Seems pretty accurate to us 🤣
@@ChasingCurrents Not an insult just an observation.... I usually like your videos but man I would have started with the positives. As for Brexit.. according to the Tories there are a lot of benefits !!
@@DRB68 I do feel like all of our videos represent the positives and beauty of the Med. This video was titled reasons NOT to sail the Med, we think we started it pretty accurately to the title. We have always endeavoured to show both the good and the bad, it's what we would like to have seen when starting our journey. Totally fine if you didn't like it though! As for Brexit well, that's a whole other video on it's own haha
@@DRB68 Nope, even the tories can't name one. czcams.com/video/iKc8gRcLf90/video.html
What does Bregret mean?
Please stop Bryn barking 😊😊😊.
The upside of BREXIT is that we are no longer slaves and recipients to rules made in BRUSSELS...There ARE many upsides to that ...however , as you have found , some downsides as well ...which you guys have been able to navigate through 😀...Doing a cross Atlantic or another journey route then it will not have an impact #The Sailing Brothers and #Sailing Yacht Florence ...take care both x
We were not slaves. Even now when the economical impact is started to be felt how can you think there is any upside? The UK held a veto to any major votes and out of the thousands of implemented rules we only voted against a handful in all the time we were members. It isn't a faultless system. But we were better off economically than we will be now.
There's no logic to restricting the movement of people who aren't working.