My Pre-recorded Ree-to-Reel Tape Collection (4 & 2 tracks)
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- After my Master Tape collection I here present my pre-recorded reel-to-reel collection of tapes, mainly 4 tracks but also some nice 2 tracks. Enjoy!
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Awesome presentation, seeing all this music on reels. Growing up during the 50's and 60's i never realized there was such a wide variety of material.
Oh yes Mama!! 😆 Love it.
Nice, can't wait to see what you have.
I have found most of these on Spotify based on your collections. They sound great. Thank your for your presentation.
very nice collection ! specially that led zep III on 4 track 7.5 ips !!!!!!!
Good to see your reel-to-reel collection! I had many of the same. Sadly, I couldn't find a home for them when I moved from Los Angeles to Palm Springs 3 years ago and had to throw them away. I had many Excellent dups at 7 1/2 IPS from AMPEX, A&M, and Columbia [before they went to 3 3/4 IPS in late 1969]. How I miss them! Thanks again!
@David Mander Hah! I just caught that. I wish I had $1.00 for every time I uploaded a video with a misspelled title. I love the stuff on your channel!
Super sessions on RTR tape: soooo coool!
Thanks for the great video, love seeing the collection. My favorites that I have are sketches of Spain by miles Davis and a compilation "this is blue note Jazz"
Nice!!
Thanks for this surprising tape show Guido didn't knew about this kind of prerecordet tape stuff...Saluti dalla Germania Markus
I am worried no, because if you start collecting them it's addictive!
You are correct. 7.5 ips reels are far superior to the 3.75 ips counterparts. The Ampex and Columbia/CBS 3.75 ips issues do sound good. Have to say I have a sizable collection of factory recorded/pre recorded reels.
Thank you for the video! It is excellent!
I collect almost every type of recorded media and R2R tapes have a special place.
Mainly, I have 4-tracks but I also have a file box full of quadraphonic tapes(which were all recorded at 7 1/2ips).
I have 2 Beatles tapes in my collection, "Yesterday And Today"(curiously on a 5" reel) and "Sgt. Pepper's..."(unplayed). Both are 3 3/4ips.
When you finish playing an R2R tape, you are supposed to re-secure the end with the sticky tape that it originally came with, or a substitute. This keeps the tape from unraveling.
The tapes which are Dolby recorded are not meant to be played back with Dolby engaged. I find that is muddies the sound. I don't even turn the Dolby on when playing back a Dolby-ized cassette tape.
Originally I started with a Sony TC-378, which was multi-voltage but set up for 50hz current. Luckily, Sony did have a 60hz pulley and they told me where to by it. When I got my TEAC A-2340R quad deck, I put the Sony in storage. I also have a Pioneer RT-909 in storage. Because it played the NAB 10 1/2" reels, I thought it was like an old Ampex full-track machine I used at a radio station that played both 7 1/2 ips and 15 ips, but it only plays 3 3/4 ips and 7 1/2 ips. When I start recording my 4-track tapes to digital, I will probably use it.
You seem like a 1970's kind of guy, like me, so I would suggest you get some Moody Blues tapes. I have many of their albums on quad tape. That's about the closest you can get to the original session tapes. Yes, the Vanguard tapes are especially great in quad. Vanguard seemed to really get into quad. One tape I have is their surround demo tape.
Yes, I do put lead and some sticky tape on my master copies but I am a little lazy on these! :-)
Thanks for the reccomendations!
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Love Caravansari… never got the greatest reviews but I think it is an incredibly special recording that is different than what you would expect from early Santana.
True...I deeply love that recording!
You have great videos.
About 2-track tapes can be tricky. "In-line" is 'normal', both tracks are in the same head.
However "Staggered" means each channel is in a different head, so both tracks are not vertically "in-line" and you need a machine with that special play heads configuration, one head first and a second head next to it.
That is incorrect, you are talking about staggered heads. Stacked and in-line are the same thing.
@@anadialog yes, you're right, I'll edit my previous comment
Man, I remember buying that Super Session LP when I was 14 or 15, along with some Beatles, Stones, Moody Blues……….well, as I was saying, SS was a great LP. They all were back then. Guess it was my frame of mind.
No no, you're right! They were all great...not comparable to today's crap and its sad that young people are looking less and less to our music roots.
@@anadialog that’s a very weird passive aggressive comment - why would you make presumptions about this poster?
EVERYBODY had that Super Session LP back in the day
Ok now I get it it was supposed to be YOUNG people not you people. :-))
Changing it now
@@anadialog makes sense!
like the cassette 8 tracks they are copy's from a loop bin or line of reel to reel decks linked up
there is quad audio audio on reel to reel a mate as some
i know EMI used to do 5 inch mono recording dad had alot of them the tapes you are showing are very poor i had alot i picked up from carboot sales
and people had recorded over the recording there's a big reel to reel crazy now as long as the boxes are ok you can easy put new tape and record them again
35 mm mag film is very good i have some 4 track set of heads for 35mm film wow there's alot of gain wide tracks on say 1 inch tapes i tested them
i sold all my 35 mag zonal reels
I have the LP of Santana Caravan Saurai. Nice set
Very interesting video. Wish i had even some of those. Only have 'Help' and A Hard Days Night' on EMI mono tape ( small reel 3 3/4 inch) along with ' The Hollies' ( mono) and Louis Armstrong( also mono 3 3/4 inch small reel). All my R2R ' s ( not posh ones) are awaiting a good service. Cannot seem to find many R2R tapes on Ebay- perhaps i am not searching along the right lines.
5:30 yeeeeeeahh
Oh, will be great to grub all of this stuff in DSD and ….. share with us :)
Those albums that you also have on cd would probably be a good video. The analogue vs digital thing gets a little more interesting at these slower tape speeds. I'm guessing all the 7.5 recordings sound better, but if you have any both on 3.75 and cd, that could be very interesting
Yeah!
I've got master tapes and 15 ips and 30 ips sounds better than when I had the songs professionaly mastered for vinyl and for digitial listening.
Nice, 2 track 15, 30 ips 1/4 inch or 1/2 inch tapes is what they use for MASTERS! And what is used for release on LPs and CDs and digital!
You'll get use to that camera, just keep playing with it!
Yeah, sorry about that!
Nice collection. I believe you mentioned that commercially pre-recorded reel-to-reel tapes were available in both the 7 1/2ips and 3 3/4ips speeds. If only that were true. For most American recordings, the tapes came out in only one speed, whatever they were doing them in at time.
Not all but most records were released in different moments at both these speeds. In general there were not as many releases as vinyl records obviously.
you need at least 7.5 ips to cover the hearing frequency of a human that is up to 20 kHz; 3 3/4 ips has only a freuquency up to 15 kHz and don't sound much better than a normal cassette to my ears....
Interesting collection! Theoretically (as per quality of hardware) the reel is probably the most truthful music medium. How do you tackle the "tape deterioration"? A lot of master tapes are kept in climate controlled vaults (or should be)
Obviously I can't do anything that fancy but the place where I store them has a good climate, not too hot, not too damp and things seem in good condition after all most 20 years
On “The Beatles”, it’s split between two reels as the album is 99 minutes long, and takes two of every format it was released on.
How are pre recorded tapes are produced during the 60s. Do labels have a production copy from the masters? Do they transfer at faster speeds to create 7.5 ips tapes. I'm just wondering. I have been purchasing tapes ( titled) from ebay and majority of them sound fantastic even if they are mostly over 50 years old.
Nice collection!!! Are you familiar with the Ampex auto reverse? I've got my dad's old Ampex reel-to-reel with auto reverse... don't have to turn the tape over... kind of cool I think. From what I own, my favorites are Strauss: Also Sprach Zarathustra NY Phil/Bernstein, Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture London Festival Orchestra, The Nat King Cole Story (but unfortunately 3 3/4 ips), Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue London Festival Orchestra and Byron Janis playing Prokofiev and Rachmaninoff Mercury Living Presence 35MM film first recording ever made in Russia by American Technical and Musical Staff in Moscow, June, 1962.
Nice! Got an extra head I believe
Cool,man!
Ampex autoreverse worked with a recorded tone of 10 Hz
How you maintain the real/real machines, cleaning so on.
you are italian?^ you speak english without any accent^ really good^
What is the other option to 4 track? All 4 track have stereo on both sides. NOT to be confused with QUADROPHONIC. 4 tracks one direction.
Great vid.
Could you copmapre these to vinyl?
Especially the 4 track
Good idea...surely a future comparison on my to do list!
Hi... :) it is me again. I am reviewing your R2R videos .. because I got a deal to exchange my 2 Sony GDM-FW900 monitors for a Technics RS-1500 R2R (RP2224 head)... I am ultra excited with this. For the near future is so forbidden this real expensive copies, so I need to scout ebay for what I can find in classical music. You know what would be the best shop in europe I could start? I need empty reels :)
A question for all. Does 4 track mean it will play out in two channel stereo and then back the other way in two channel stereo. ?
In 99% cases yes. Two exceptions being 1) quadrophonic reels, which have four tracks going in the same direction (4 mono tracks), which requires 4-channel tape heads for playback. 2) Tapes recorded on consumer recorders that allow changing between track positions 1 and 2 (out of four) allowing one to record 4 mono tracks, thereby maximizing recording time.
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I like to Get some 2 track Masters of Some of the Classic Albums and I like to Find Some of these masters Recorded at 15ips A true Master From Analogue Productions!!!
I was Looking on Ebay today and I have A OTARI MX5050 Bii2 Reel to Reel Tape Deck and I only Payed $125 about 20 Years Ago and on EBAY They Cost as High as $3650 Dollars and the one I Have Works But it Needs Work But It Does Work!!! and I have 7 Reel to Reel Tape Recorders the ones They Use in Recording Studios and They Work too!!! Good Videos!!!!
First, awesome collection, impressive, congrats for your care about this theme!
I have an ask for you.
Can I record in a reel tape type Low Noise, in Wide Range mode set on machine? What is the difference tape and recording?
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I am sure you can. What recorder are you using?
@@anadialog perfect! I am using an Akai GX-4000D
Are you going to add leader tape to them. i have 4 MGM 4trks 71/2 CONNIE FRANCIS tapes. The Exciting Connie Francis [1959], A New Kind Of Connie [1964] [jazzy], For Mama & Other Selections [1965], Love Italian Style [1967]..There are plenty more. I also have a 5" mono tape from UK Modern Italian Hits [1963]. R2R's were issued in US[Stereo only 7"], Canada[7"], UK[5" mono only]. i don't know any other country that issued them.
That would be a good idea actually...
I put leader tape on all by tapes to protect them from wrinkles and handling issues. I have tapes from the 60s and 70s and they still play.
"I don''t know who is that guy, but I bought his album because there is nothing else on that f market" - a true story of an open reel rig owner
does anyone knows some site whre to download reel 2 reel rips? tks in advance
Well, this is one of the most famous even though some titles are from 4 tracks:
www.highdeftapetransfers.ca/
Why was the four track standard ever adopted? Two track makes more sense as one does not need to flip the tape or have more-elaborate mechanical assembles.
For space and economy purposes
My experience of the the later 3.75ips tapes is that they sound like complete garbage. The 7 1/2 pre-recorded tapes from the major labels do sound better but really not that great either.
Very nice collection, but 2 major flaws price and the lack of catalogue ,I would love to listen to Zeppelin 3 to compare.
When Zeppelin remastered the catalogue I was so looking forward to the sonics, but it was disappointing.
It's so annoying that so many recordings are poor quality, we all deserve the best at an reasonable price.
I would be so scared to play those expensive tapes. Tapes are really prone to stretching, warping and crinkling (even professional studio tapes) and I am quite clumsy as well !
I have over 120 reel to reel tapes no pre recorded .
All tapes are either pre recorded or blank.
Please make a digital rip so we can feel a bit at Reel-to-reel supremacy
It's not going to have all the audio information at this compression! At 192k/24 bit you can get pretty close!
@@analoguecity3454 24 bit 96 kHz sampling frquency ( which equals 48 kHz playback frequency) is more than enough; and don't forget the proper mastering!
you are not a cat, you can't hear freuquencies up to 65 kHz^^
@@analoguecity3454 24/96 is good enough, with a decent setup sounds perfectly fine. But the ripping has to be good. Idk about Reel-to-reel ripping, but a lot of Vinyl rips these days is at a very bad quality because of improper ripping setup.
Sorry to tell you this, but 4 track pre-recorded tapes were NOT duplicated at their playing speed 1:1. Like all other pre-recorded tapes, they were duplicated on high speed duplicators, usually Ampex 3300 series at either 8x or 16x speed. In other words, the master tape ran at 60ips during duplication (and this tape was a later generation copy of the original master, and it was on 1/2" tape). The master machine typically fed five duplication machines. The frequency response of these duplicators is only specified to 15kHz, and is usually down 4dB at that frequency, and high frequency saturation was a common problem on the duplicates. The later Ampex EX+ pre-recorded tapes used a peak program meter to enable a higher recording level (at the cost of increased distortion), but these tapes are somewhat quieter than run of the mill pre-recorded tapes.
So please stop spreading misinformation about these tapes somehow being real time 1:1 copies of the master - they are NOT.
PS: Interesting fact - the EX+ tapes had at the end of side #1 (after the 25Hz auto-reverse tone), a recording of white noise which was used to check frequency response for quality control. The white noise should display as a flat line on an FFT analyzer.
Well, some surely were dubbed at high speed, especially towards the end of the 70's and 80's but most of them were dubbed in real time. That is also why they were so expensive. At least this is what I always have heard and read. Even Wikipedia states so but only for the early period, which already invalidates your statement that all pre-recorded tapes are dubbed at high-speed. Now that is surely misinformation. If you have articles and documents stating otherwise I would be more than happy to read them and hence, modify this video. Thanks.
Chill out, man! Maybe he (or you) got bad information somewhere and thought it was so! You seem to know your stuff, so if you're going to correct someone Don't be a DICK about it! And don't call somebody out like that! You could have "corrected" him in a better way, instead of coming off as a "know-it-all" dick!
@@anadialog EXACTLY! 💯
@@anadialog I don't have 'articles' but I have been a recording engineer since the early 1970s, and have a large collection of 4 track pre-recorded tapes. I know the industry and how it worked because I was there, and lived and breathed this stuff. The problem with sources like Wikipedia is that information gets watered down and errors introduced over time as the people who dealt directly with the technology retire or die off.
The reality is that ALL pre-recorded mass produced tapes like the 4 tracks you have which were produced in open reel's heyday of the 60s and 70s were produced on high speed duplicators. Open reel pre-recorded tapes were well into decline by the mid 1970s as cassettes became more popular, and by this time 3 3/4ips was becoming the default speed, at least for popular music. 4 track open reel tapes in the 60s and 70s were typically sold for $7.98 which translates to $27.63 in today's dollars. That is NOT expensive relative to today's premium 2 track 15ips duplications which cost $450.00.
Think about it - would it even make economic sense to duplicate thousands of tapes in real time - an extremely time consuming and expensive proposition - this in a period when tapes and records were a
commodity, and not necessarily an audiophile fetish?
Surely there might be a few specialist recordings from small labels which could have been duplicated in real time, but these were NOT the mass produced tapes from major record labels like you have.
Sorry, I was there. What you have 'read' is wrong. 4 track tapes were a mass produced commodity, and ultimate quality wasn't a factor.
You might try contacting Jay McKnight (currently of MRL test tapes) who was one of the main engineers at Ampex and who was responsible for the EX+ tapes about this. He is on the Ampex email user group. lena.recordist.com/mailman/listinfo/ampex
Also, this Wikipedia article on open reel tape has mention of pre-recorded tapes and the fact that they were duplicated at high speed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reel-to-reel_audio_tape_recording#Pre-recorded_reel_tapes
@@rammisframmis8588 Then you should know more about it, but you could have corrected the man better, and not embarrasse him like that! That's not cool!
Rammis Frammis hi you are right my man
i know a man who worked for the bbc and had something to do with emi btr4 DUBBING slave's decks 60 ips s about right
i have some slave transports i am fixing up as the guy drop dead 1 to 1 may be the old emi in the 60's 5 inch ones i am new to the game
getting there
Delaney and Bonnie SEALED????
The guy had stock of them when I got it some time ago
My experience with these older tapes has not been good. Most no longer sound very good. Solutions? Make the tapes yourself! I've recorded the same songs (in 24/96 or DSD) onto new modern tapes using my 2-track OTARI. The results are incredible, even slightly better sounding than the digital versions (and FAR better than the old R2R counterparts). Give it a try!
Compared to original DSD?
@@ozguroyus Yes, due to tape saturation, making the sound more pleasing. I have the Rollin Stones tape featured in the video and the one I made from DSD. My home-made version is a lot cleaner sounding with superior freq. responses. Of course, you should get a very good DAC for this job.
If I may make a small correction of your pronunciation of one of your artist’s. It is Jone By ez, not Joanne Baise. Thank you. Not being picky.
I am mainly Italian so I mispronounce several words! Thanks!
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35 minutes talking.
Not a note of music.
As I said inbthe other comment, this is on the format, not the music. I played them in other videos dedicated to music.