When a classical musician tries JAZZ
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2021
- As a classical musician, sometimes people will ask me: 'but do you like Jazz?'
Consider this video a response.
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There is a joke I always tell my students: If you want a classical musician to stop playing, take away his scores. If you want a jazz musician to stop playing, give him scores. thank you so much for sharing!
apples and oranges i d say
Actually that wouldn’t work cause we pianists just memorize everything (or at least I do) but I see what you are saying
@@gmnr1336 Everyone does it, at least at certain point
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What about rezitativs?
"Are you telling me jazz musicians pay for sheet music that isn't even finished?"
me, a jazz musician: "No! God no. Of course not. We don't *pay* for it."
*Every band director*
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It's £10 I suppose
real book!
😂😂😂
the first piece is chopin ballade no1
I always recognize it because it’s the piece the main character played in the Pianist when he is found by a German officer. Great piece.
Thmx
Ahhh i was waiting for next few bars in coda
no man. is Liszt
lol it’s so annoying when you know the coda is coming but he just stops
you know it’s a legit piano genius when he makes the bgm of his own outros
Its actually a legit piece, in case u didnt know
@@linglingwannabe9135 uh it’s my own arrangement of Mary had a little lamb :)
Yes 1000000%
@@WillsKeyboardSink ohh i see sry
@@WillsKeyboardSink wait actually? Cuz it sounds like fotb
Omg bro I laughed so hard when you were handed Take Five, because as a classical musician it was the first Jazz piece I was ever handed by my teacher, and I had the literal same reaction to the 5/4 time signature as you did and my teacher was like "Oh! it's so easy!" and I was like: "Bruh. I've been a classical pianists for 6 years wtf is this-"
oh yes, i really transcribed take five for violin clarinet piano and drums for chamber music concert. i really had the same reaction lol
@@sketchmoon3333 PFFT OMG WAIT YOU DID WOW YOU HAVE MY RESPECT-
@@novamusic5134 actually i lied a bit. my friend who was the drummer wrote by hand the score for drums, the basic rythm. i wrote the general score and my teacher would then transcribe the clarinet and violin part from my general score separately so my colleagues would have only their specific part. it was some sort of orchestration from the piano score for take five, it was a great deal for me at the time because i learned to write a score just like you write one in sibelius/musescore, having equal lenght measures, each time from each instrument wrote down one beneith the other and so on. even the barlines were drawn using a ruler so each bar would be perfect lol. now i it's easier to just use musescore but yeah, for a 16-17 yo guy who played only classical and some sort of pop music, i was really happy and considered kinda bold
@@sketchmoon3333 still cool lol! And you still have my respect haha
imho handing a jazz score to a musician to get him to jazz is bad teaching. If you want to get the student to jazz you should make him listen to the thing before playing it. Of course when you're playing in an ensemble and in many other situations you will have to play jazz tunes without hearing them before but teaching tradition in jazz should always start by listening. If you just hand out the sheet music to the people, you're not teaching the jazz tradition but an overly simplified and soulless version of what anyone would actually play
In accurate. A Jazz musician would never give you sheet music.
Thanks for the great content and your playing is amazing as well.
Coffee stained napkin with the changes scribbled in crayon
it's only my second year learning how to perform jazz and we literally never follow the sheet music. we literally use it for the base but we change EVERYTHING 😭
Tell that to Duke Ellington , Fletcher Henderson, Miles etc...and try working as a jazz musician...then get back to me
@@freein2339 well, if you look at monk he never gave his sidemen music. He just had them learn by ear.
@@alanyue3714 "
“I remember guys would look at his music and say: ‘We can’t play this’, but by the end of the rehearsal everybody was playing it anyway.”
SONNY ROLLINS on Thelonious Monk...
That transition was amazingly well done and incredibly clean
yeah the fact it has some a little major-y chords and some low notes in it is so good wow
Genuinely banging.
There's great irony with 1:43. Chopin, Beethoven, Schumann, all of the 'great pianists' were also great improvisers. Chopin's improvisations were mindblowingly complicated. This is a skill nearly completely lost to modern pianists. Even I (outside of jazz), don't have much interest in improvising an entire classical style work.
Yup :)) it stems back even further (and even more impressively) into the baroque era, where it wasn’t uncommon for the best to improvise fugues which is ridiculously hard (most people these days can’t even write a fugue given all the time in the world)! This is more of a fun video than a full history lesson but I hope in the future i can cover a lot of different things and bring up this kind of stuff too :))
I think music has become a lot more complex and specialised. Back in those days I guess most pianists were composers and vice versa, whereas nowadays most pianist stick to piano. Pianists also have a huge database of great pieces to perform thanks to all the great composers who came before us
@@sabinhong0307 meh. Complexity is just a two sided coin that never stops spinning. Fugues are still the highest complexity of art and no one makes those anymore. Also "great composers that made great pieces" is low quality thinking. It idolizes normal people that had real issues and imperfections just like everyone else.
I think you have to differenciate between a pianist/interpreter/performer and a composer. A pianist isn’t nessecarily a composer (and vice versa). Nowadays, compared to the times of Beethoven or Chopin, there is a much greater importance of the performance/interpretation of a piece as its own, complex art. Still, many pianists I know do compose or improvise, and to a certain extend you do learn basic theory for that in music school as well.
Of course, they are composers, not just a pianist.
It's funny how jazz makes rules in music theory just to break them
Not really. Well . . .
True though... It's like you learn different scales, modes and then altered chords and substitute them here and there and
and then after all that: forget all the rules and improvise.
Music that sounds good is the only rule....
@@freein2339 fair
huh?
I demand a extended version of that last piece
AGREED
Yes
Yes
What’s the last piece called plsssss
@@alicee.8676 La campanella
This was absolute amazing 😻 you are a star!
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lol musicalbasis commented
Still waiting for a Hungarian rhapsody No. 2 epic version
What r u doing here
I realllllly want a full version of the jazz version of la campanella
Listen to Eugen Cicero's version of la campanella then
Many years ago, I sponsored a week-long jazz mini-course at my school. (I played drums.) One of the students involved was a professional classical pianist, far and away the most accomplished musician of the bunch. She just could not improvise. A senior who was the project's musical director-now a three-time Grammy-nominated instrumentalist, songwriter, and producer-ended up writing charts for her solos, which she played beautifully. They sounded completely improvised, but could not have been less so.
i find this so interesting how some beginners are essentially more 'skilled' at improvising than classically trained musicians just because they don't know how many 'rules' they are breaking by just playing whatever they want. they play what they feel like playing which is great. but both skills are really important.
Once had a piece called "The music isn't scaring us". It was in the 5/4 time signature... the first time I saw such a thing
For the beginning, I can suggest Giant Steps by John Coltrane. It is a very easy piece to improvise over.
I always heard it’s the staple of jazz improvisation and improvising on it is a rite of passage into becoming a true jazz musician
@@Ace-dv5ce yes that is true. The hard thing about it is, that Coltrain is constantly modulating in every second bare. The piece is also written at a very high tempo, which makes it even harder, because you have think very quickly. In fact, even the pianist Tommy Flanegan who played on the original recording, didn’t managed to improvise over it, but Coltrane still decidet to leave it on the record.
@@nimagarthe Yeaah that’s what I was referring to also, the piano solo.
I do not agree with this recommendation. I would recommend beginners start with “Impressions” or another tune with minimal changes. “Giant Steps” has some awkward changes that are not intuitive for improvising.
@@NightOfCrystals that was a joke. The joke is that it is so hard to improve over and that it isn’t good for beginners at all. It is like saying, that Liszt is good for beginners.
This reminds me of when I was 13 and my music teacher (who was a jazz musician and arranger) and he gave me this piece to play (Monk's 'Round midnight). So I played it like it was a classical piece. He responded - well you site read it ok, but it doesn't go like that! This is jazz. He played it (brilliantly) and I was hooked on Jazz.
When you went jazz man, I was visibly shocked. Like damn! I want a full rendition.
1:37 Literally what I told to my piano teacher the first time he told me to improvise… as a classical music player I was really confused at that point. now I’m doing a blues improv
That was really funny. That is EXACTLY what went through my mind years ago. It was really hard for me to transition to Jazz after years of classical piano. AND, I have so much more learn. I have only scratched the surface.
That jazz section blew me away! I need to hear a full version :)
Oof. I feel the pain bro. I tried learning how to play jazz and the sheets just make little to no sense. I understand that they do sound great if played properly, but how am I supposed to focus on 4 things at a time while reading and playing weird gibberish-looking notes!? Improvising just makes it worse, having to make up music while playing other music, along with the gibberish gives me headaches. I've been getting better at it though, but some sheets still hurt my brain. Great video btw.
It's very rare for jazz musicians to use sheets at all, most of us learn reportoire by ear. This might sound a bit foreign but a good way to practice jazz is to just try and play a fitting melody while listening to the tune you're practicing and getting a good feel for what notes work and what notes don't.
You can always use the cheat code:
Blues scales.
@@vak.o until you can't
Jazz Pianist here.
I believe human cannot focus on 4 things at a time, and can't even do 2. The reason we can play piano in the first place is not because we can think about multiple things in the same time, it's rather because we learnt to use muscle memory to off load our thoughts, therefore, we can treat multiple things as one thing, or even nothing.
The main challenge for classical musician to play Jazz is that the muscle memory they relied on didn't train to recall different memory spontaneously.
It's not true that we focus on multiple things at the same time. We learnt to play different component like chord shapes, Bass lines, melodic lines, scales, arpeggio as part of the muscle memory. So when we read chord charts they trigger our brain to recall the appropriate muscle memories for the chords. If without chord charts, we just go straight into the muscle memory without the triggering part. Both can combine a little conscious decision to make it more spontaneous.
The more components we learn, the more option we get. The more option we get, the easier we can play them, because it'll feel like we have more safety net to fall into.
Many Jazz musician often expressed " feels like playing anything would sound right".
@@Kingstonlomusic It feels a lot like relearning how to play the piano a little. But with prior experience you get me? Kind of like carnival games that are "based off skill". You get a little handicap basically if you've already had experience, but the actual game is altered against your favor. For me, jazz as a classical musician is like rewiring your head with extra components and those components start off difficult to get the hang of, but eventually when it does work right, is great. I have to admit, sometimes it gets oddly addicting to mix some kind of jazz into compositions, even if it is for a tiny bit.
Love this channel, hope you upload more this year :)
Please make a full version of that last part, that was addicting to listen to!
Chopin’s Ballade no. 1 in G minor. What a piece 😍
My daddy played classical and jazz piano. I loved it! As kids when he started playing we came from ever we were to the living room to listen! One of my best childhood memories.
Him: “Ya like jazz?”
**Bee movie intencifies**
I reckon you should post more jazz related playing, I got goose bumps when you dropped the bass! well done
You'd probably like cruising through Charles Cornell's CZcams channel, especially the ones where he begins to examine and explain the differences between playing jazz and classical music. Both of you are amazing musicians! And happy new year to you with excellent health & great success!
Fun video! I’m jealous of your talent! So impressive!
That last part before the coda in Chopin's Ballade No.1 in G minor is such an amazing build up
Your talent is on a next level!! It's Awesome!!
you are so incredibly talented! i can tell by just the first seconds! everything is perfection! awesome job! your videos are always amazing and a pleasure to see! keep up the great work! liking and subbing rn!
Actually really cool arrangement!
Piece in the beginning is the coda of Chopin Ballade no. 1. lmao finally my time to shine.
Can we get the full version of your jazz la campanella please!??
It is a very nice variation
Agreed! I really liked it
yoo can someone please transcribe that Jazz version of La Campanella?? Those chords were amazing 😍
I‘ve played piano since I was 4 and i always played classical music. Once I had to take a jazz piano class and I was completely lost, so the piano teacher wrote me an impro😂🥺
That few seconds of Ballade No. 1 was really good and powerful.
That made me smile! I also love both. Most of us do!
I knew all the jazz pieces, they’re all awesome, man classical musicians are so entertaining
That ending gave me some frikin goosey goosebumps ❤️🔥🎼
I love jazz and classical, especially from the romantic and classical period, and jazz from the bebop through the late 60's.
For pianists that know both, they are truly gifted. I started with classical but realized I was better with improv. and being able to
re-harmonize chords, chord subs, progressions etc. seeing classical music would terrify me---so many notes! I envy those classical
pianists who can site read and play all the notes perfectly in the first or second try.
Both are their own special skills! Glad to see someone who gets that, and you're absolutely correct...anyone who can bounce between classical and commercial/jazz even with moderate ease is a gifted unicorn!
Teasing with Ballade No1 again! And here I am still hoping for the full version. Nice to see new content :)
Ah, this was great!!
This is exactly how I feel (classically trained) whenever I'm put in some bigband. Spot on!
I (politely) demand a longer version of La Jazzpanella!!
0:01 That piece is Ballade No.1, by Frédéric Chopin
This was a masterpiece! Nicely done, man. Subscribed.
I desperately need a full version of that La Campanella PLEASE
Please make a longer version of that LA Campanella PLEASE! That 2 second transition might be the audibly pleasing thing I've ever heard. No exaggeration
I mean it. I come back and listen to this video almost every day
Here I am again. I just rewind the same 15 seconds over and over again
Here again
Here again
I listen to this almost everyday. I DESPERATELY need a full version. PLEASE!
what you play at the end is sooo good man, you're a genius
sounds great at the end
Fun video! That teaser at the end, now you gotta upload another one with you playing more jazz :D
I started trying Jazz a few weeks ago. My head was literally hurting for a few days because of the weird rhythms.
The way that you mix in the end was amazing
That was great, pure genius, thank you.
Awesome video! As a jazz bassist, the last chord symbol was def for a classical pianist reading jazz symbols. I'd write it as G#min(maj7), but that's my perspective.
Sick chord nonetheless
Agree, but it has its 9th. G#m9(Maj7) may be?
Yeah I would write maj7, but it saves money, right?
I play a lot of genres of music including classical and jazz. I can completely agree with this😂😂
This channel is like no other, lol. Love your content!
I NEED A FULL VERSION OF THAT JAZZ ARRANGED LA CAMPANELLA AT THE END
I'd say 5/4 is more of a shock to pop musicians than to classical.
Anyway, just amazing performance as usual!
I used to dj and would drop 5/4 just to see the confused look on everyones face.
I’m a prog musician, it gets way worse than 5/4 lol
@@spazco8669 that’s funny!
@@spazco8669 Wish I could see it
we all love jazz.. you know it...
You are amazing!
That La Campanella arrangement was FANTASTIC I need more🤣
Lmao I can relate I tried picking up jazz sheet musics before haha
To learn jazz, it helps to listen to a lot of jazz. You need to develop an ear for it.
That is absolutely correct. It is very different to classical music, because technique and practice isn’t the only thing required in jazz.
Well, that goes for any genre
@@f52_yeevy yes but it is very important for jazz. You have to develop a swing feel and an ear for good ideas and improvisation.
@@f52_yeevy not really, most commercial music is formulated
The last jazz arrangement got me movin'... I bet everyone wants a sheet music for that or an extended version
Awesome finale!
Jazzical musicians are great influencers. Franz Liszt's "La Jazzanella" is a great example.
1:13
Is that E flat delta sharp 4 .. or E flat Major 7 sharp 4??
I'm still trying to learn official chord names and different ways of writing them
I love the g minor ballade! Its my fav and i immediately recognised it🎉🎉
Sparkling piano playing!
"Are you trying to tell me that jazz musicians pay for sheet music that isn't even finished?"
Lol no, you don't PAY for the sheet music...
When you play jazz you can’t do so from having a good memory copying, you have to be able to bring your mastery on the fly and play all sorts of different timings, dynamics incongruous congruous music whilst music to the ear. You have to be well down with all polyphonic to the point it’s like alien. I find jazz more challenging than classical and has given me more control in my classical playing.😊
You play amazing
Absolutely loved this, especially the O. Henry-ish surprise ending. Lots of fun -- thanks!! 😀
Do you have transcription of this?? 2:48 🥺🥺🥺 please?
Bruh, I am DEAD 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 As a classically trained musician with a musical theatre degree, turned commercial and jazz musician, I feel your pain SO HARD! Don't get me wrong, I love singing it all but turning to the commercial and jazz world to attain my dream job has been more of a struggle than I realized...still struggling and learning, but it really has allowed for a wider appreciation for what goes into each style :)
But also love how you referred to it as a "piece" as a classical musician but as a 'tune" or something similar as the jazz musician...I don't know if that was on purpose, but lets' be real, that's exactly the vernacular they use in real life!
That said...Autumn Leaves is a JAM, and it's THE song that has taught me the most about jazz, and I continue to use it as a learning tool for progressions and scat improv! I remember when I asked for the Real Book for my birthday a few years ago, my parents ended up getting it for me, they saw inside and went "What the hell is this??" 😆 Heck, I still didn't know at the time if I'm honest!
I love what you did at the end! :)
very clever. I enjoyed this. thank you.
Rarely do people know that back in the day, classical pianist would actually do lots of improv during their concerts and were really good at it! I laughed too hard at the chords. TRUE. Your not a classical musician if you can play chords. This whole thing killed me and I can completely relate but this teaches us though that we should expand our horizons :)
Chopin Ballade no 1 Op 23 in g minor, this was the last song played in Your Lie in April 🥲
I am not gonna lie...that transition just singlehandedly gave me a new found interest in piano jazz and jazz music in general. Astounding.
Im sorry got busy for a while but I never forgot how much of a genius you are.
How can you not recognize that piece at the start of the video? xD ( Chopin: Ballade in G minor [The Horowitz versions are really good])
And there are componists like Hamelin and Sorabji and etc. who make insanely hard but beatiful pieces:D (because of the la Campanella you played in the end. The Hamelin version of la Campanella actually made a ascend the first time I listened to it)
1:52 No we don't pay for it
Jazz piano music scores are no jokes. I love both jazz, and classicals -- music in general, can't wait to resume practice.
This video was amazing
Very entertaining haha and I loved that small improv in the end but it was so short!😁❤️
0:11 please tell me that was on purpose
I’m a jazz musician, and frankly, I hate classicak LOL
Jazz and classical are like the books of music, it takes patience to get to like them but it's very worth it. I like both and I used to think they were boring. You should listen to more classical (I recommend chopin ravel and debussy) if you're a little curious
If you like weird rhythms, the Horseman Etude (Op. 25 No. 3) by Chopin should be quite good to learn. Here's one version: czcams.com/video/IqG2Mxx3MM8/video.html&ab_channel=TraumPiano (Traum Piano calls it "The Knight Etude" but it is the same as "The Horseman"
Well, that was entertaining and light hearted. Kind of poked fun at both sides of the equation in a fun way. Nicely done.
Made my day man ! Thx !
The Last note gave me goosebumbs
we need a full version of that jazzy capanella
2:33 i would absolutely love to hear this masterpiece on spotify it’s amazing
That last part is an instant sub. I love it
Finally got an answer to this question. Thank youuuuuu!!!
ok, that was impressively smooth, very very, veeery creative, well done
Wow! Amazing playing. Funny skit also
Serious playing!
I need that transition and jazz version as a full-fledged song