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hah! you've made an adjustable version of a jewelry rolling mill! whenever I have the time and desire to save a little money, I'll roll out my own silver wire from scrap (it's always worth it in gold though) I'll start with a roughly 55mm long by 5mm wide round plug of silver, roll it down, then pull it through draw plates to about .7mm wire, If I'm careful and don't break it, I can easily have over 80 feet of wire! Silver & gold are also soft enough you can just grab it with a pair of pliers and pull/walk away with it, no winch required, if I'm dumb enough I could pull a single piece of wire all the way from one side of my shop, to the other and out into the parking lot and maybe even the busy street!
As for making the rollers from tool steel.... they make tool steel tig and stick welding rods. A bit expensive but running a surface layer build-up around the rollers would have to be cheaper than buying tool steel that thick. Just a thought in case you decided to revisit this idea or do something else entirely. Anyways, enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Hey, if you want to straighten your wire really straight, a trick I learned from making my own rings for chain maille is to chuck one end of the wire in a drill and the other in a vice. Pull it taught and spin the drill. It will pull ALL the bends out.
@@xMrjamjam did you even watch the vid? Did you not notice that in the video, he pulls the wire through an annealing furnace on the floor? He does this because just rolling the wire work hardens it. So he's already annealing it anyway... 🤔 the real benefit here would be for him to do this before he spools it up in the welder so there aren't any kinks in the wire to jam up in the machine. Seeing how he has little wire to work with, it would be in his best interest to do what he can to prevent that.
You could setup an induction heater just before the rollers so that it heats up the wire red hot just before rolling. Or even do this for annealing the wire, just pull it at the right speed through the induction heater and have a hose at the right distance away to cool it back down.
You judged the breaking point of the wire amazingly close. you can feel when you reach the end of the elastic point and plastic deformation occurs, NIce work.
Really cool video. Definitely very unique project. Can't wait to see ur next videos. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work timmothy. Forge on. Keep making. God bless.
It was forged way too small. Keep the forging to a minimum. Cold-work the steel to refine the grain structure. After forging round then use a larger rolling mill. After the rolling mill you begin drawing.
Love it. I got my hook yesterday, it's awesome. I'm thinking about mounting it to a nice brass base for display instead of using it as a hook. It looks like an asteroid or something, so cool.
Don't feel bad about snapping the wire, man. I'm a jeweler and even when we draw wire out of super soft metals like silver, gold, or copper, snapping tends to happen. It happens especially often when you don't anneal constantly. You guys did an awesome job with this!
For pre-made solid (no flux) MIG wire there is usually higher levels of manganese and silicon de-oxidizers so that the welds have smoother beads, with less spatter, and easier clean up. I'll leave this method for precious metal wire. Great video, thanks for showing what happens!
That's pretty much how we do it in the steel mill I work in just on a much bigger scale and automated. We have a large roughing stand and up to 18 stands in continuous mill. If rolling wire down to 5.0mm it goes through an additional 10 wire rod block stands.
Ok, now forge it back into a bolt :-) In the days of chain mail they didn't have roller dies. They pulled it through increasingly smaller holes in a die plate. Interesting video and nice work!
@@shanek6582 maybe they were just being too ambitious, given the unevenness of their wire it may have been the right size hole for 99% but that 1% was enough to break the wire. Smaller increments at first to get it nice and round.
I once tested a sick-welding-tip from an uncle. Take a big nail, baking soda and newspaper. Make a paste from the baking soda and water, make a mush with that and newspaper. Now put a layer of that mush around the nail and dry it. You got a stick welding rod. It works but just. I'm probably not a good enough welder with a good enough welding machine.
I could picture a way to make that cold roller work a little better. Just need to cut off that hand crank. Weld on a ratchet handle. Then make a levered foot pedal. Good sized spring and linkage bar connecting the ratchet handle to the pedal. Spring needs to be positioned and attached where it'll move the ratchet handle back up. Now you've got both hands free to guide the wire, and depending on the geometry of the levers and linkage - possibly more leverage to stomp on the pedal with to drive the roller. Not sure if that makes sense, but it's something that seems reasonable enough in terms of being able to make it.
So, at Buckin's request, I followed a provided link and have been seriously entertained by @Tim & his sidekick @Marten! Watched three four random vids and I gotta say the content is seriously fun! Tim, I'm way beyond $400 axes, or patreon memberships, so helping you monetize will be restricted to subscribing and watching new vids, plus occasional oldies. Anyhow, THANKS!, & BEST of luck w/your collaborations with Mr. Smith!!! 😁👍❗️
Here's an idea. Make sleeves for your rolls out of tool steel with different diameters. I'd say you could get away with only one side of the rolls bolted down if you make the tool steel sleeves skinny enough.
To save cutting wire when you test feed just open the tension rollers and manually wind the roll back. If you change wire sizes on a 5m torch it soon adds up.
Did you clean all the oil off of it? Also are you using 100% co2? That sounded so weird. I’ve used scrap pieces of material to tig weld with and works out fine but obviously never made wire to mig with.
Right before the entrance to the roller you should have the iron wire pass through an induction heater to make it malleable to make it easier to force through
I think drawing it through a hole could have potentially worked if you started with a slightly larger hole and carefully worked your way down. Jewlers use what's called a drawing plate to take wire made from softer metals and thin them out so in theory it could be possible. You could also try heating it
Solid core welding wire doesn't contain any flux, per se, otherwise it would be flux core. Standard steel MIG wire will contain some extra manganese and silicon. The manganese reacts with sulfur in the parent metal which would otherwise make it hot short and prone to crater cracks and such, while silicon reacts with oxygen. Both form a slag, but they're alloyed into the welding wire so not a flux per se.
Was there a shielding gas? Doesn't seem like it. Of course if the machine is set up for flux core polarity (and there isn't a core) that could account for the tremendous amount of splatter. Either way, great video. When you said welding with a bolt (I'm old school) I imagined drawing it out into a rod and using it as filler in oxy/actyl gas welding. I've had to resort to welding with a coat hanger as filler in pinch. Thanks for posting.
The issue is you basically work hardened it as you were drawing it through. Heating the wire up to anneal it, drawing it through, then repeating would have made the process a little easier.
19:37 I assume there is zinc in it, because of the white flakes in the air. Maybe that's why it welds so "sparkly"? BTW, is it now connected with a bolt?
So is this now technically bolted together?
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Tim: Oh she’s tight
Martin: smiles to hold back a joke not appropriate for the video 😂😂😂😂😂
Wich reminds me of a girlfriend i had...
_That's what she said_
Undo the tension and backwind the spool....I do it all the time to save wire. Pulls it back through
Wire costs money, yo.👍🏼
hah! you've made an adjustable version of a jewelry rolling mill!
whenever I have the time and desire to save a little money, I'll roll out my own silver wire from scrap (it's always worth it in gold though) I'll start with a roughly 55mm long by 5mm wide round plug of silver, roll it down, then pull it through draw plates to about .7mm wire, If I'm careful and don't break it, I can easily have over 80 feet of wire!
Silver & gold are also soft enough you can just grab it with a pair of pliers and pull/walk away with it, no winch required, if I'm dumb enough I could pull a single piece of wire all the way from one side of my shop, to the other and out into the parking lot and maybe even the busy street!
Using a thick walled heated iron tube 10" to 18" long, preheat your wire to approximately to 500 degrees F. just prior to entering your pulling die.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should." haha
As for making the rollers from tool steel.... they make tool steel tig and stick welding rods. A bit expensive but running a surface layer build-up around the rollers would have to be cheaper than buying tool steel that thick. Just a thought in case you decided to revisit this idea or do something else entirely.
Anyways, enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Hey, if you want to straighten your wire really straight, a trick I learned from making my own rings for chain maille is to chuck one end of the wire in a drill and the other in a vice. Pull it taught and spin the drill. It will pull ALL the bends out.
That also work hardens the metal making it even tougher
@@xMrjamjam did you even watch the vid? Did you not notice that in the video, he pulls the wire through an annealing furnace on the floor? He does this because just rolling the wire work hardens it. So he's already annealing it anyway... 🤔 the real benefit here would be for him to do this before he spools it up in the welder so there aren't any kinks in the wire to jam up in the machine. Seeing how he has little wire to work with, it would be in his best interest to do what he can to prevent that.
At 13:24 I could just imagine Steve McQueen in Martins place, “It broke”…
12:36 I bet a million bucks Martin’s thinking “that’s what she said” when he laughs at Tim’s comment 😂
Man once again your dedication is unmatched. You guys are gluttons for punishment. Low key the best channel on CZcams.
13:24 Martin doesn't say much, but when he does, he's spot on!
This is one of those videos where I go “why?!” But the answer is the question. Because we can.
the moment it broke, the dramaaaaa, well played sirs
After so much work, I don't think it was played ! ^^
That's amazing how long you got that bolt drawn out just using the power hammer and by hand. Great video as always. Love your channel!
Thank you! Really enjoy the background music. So chilly.
I got one of the bottle opener from the first batch. FREAKING AWESOME!!!! I love it and use it all the time.
This is insane!
Can’t wait to get the bottle opener in 🤙🏼
Thank you Martin... we all know you are the real man in this venture.
Dude, I woulda NEVER guessed or thought about doing this. That's awesome.
You never disappoint, Tim! Great video
I just want to say I love the axe I got from you and it works really good.
Well done Martin 3 hrs of hard work on the anvil 💪 👏 hope it was worth it 👌👍👏😀
You could setup an induction heater just before the rollers so that it heats up the wire red hot just before rolling. Or even do this for annealing the wire, just pull it at the right speed through the induction heater and have a hose at the right distance away to cool it back down.
This was awesome, I used to work as a welder/metal worker so I appreciate this :)
Dude I love that you broke the wire! You guys are really learning the realities of industrial scale metal work!
You judged the breaking point of the wire amazingly close. you can feel when you reach the end of the elastic point and plastic deformation occurs, NIce work.
Really cool video. Definitely very unique project. Can't wait to see ur next videos. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work timmothy. Forge on. Keep making. God bless.
Super cool video dudes!
You guys are awesome!
One of the coolest vids I've seen.
Super impressed with how long that got! Fantastic channel you have here.
So fun to watch you go through all this. I work in wire manufacturing so it's interesting to watch someone try and figure out how to do it.
Well don’t hold out on us, tell us how it’s done! 🤣
It was forged way too small. Keep the forging to a minimum. Cold-work the steel to refine the grain structure. After forging round then use a larger rolling mill. After the rolling mill you begin drawing.
Very cool Tim, loved seeing this.
Tim, your "get it done" attitude is such an insporation!
Awesome work love it!
That's insane, I love it.
haha, thats awesome! Love seeing the lathe work, Thank for taking us along.. Stay cool our there buddy.. Fr; New Brunswick
Love it. I got my hook yesterday, it's awesome. I'm thinking about mounting it to a nice brass base for display instead of using it as a hook. It looks like an asteroid or something, so cool.
That was impressive! I had to subscribe, keep it up!
you sir, are a madman. Bravo!
Neat project. Got to hand it to you, you are persistent. Just making the wire was impressive. To see you weld with is was over the top.
I can't wait to see the next episode. From the start, I was wondering if we were going to see the revers procedure lol.
I was expecting it to break before you left the power hammer. Can’t wait to see next weeks.
That was a lot of work, but still impressive. Thanks for sharing.
Don't feel bad about snapping the wire, man. I'm a jeweler and even when we draw wire out of super soft metals like silver, gold, or copper, snapping tends to happen. It happens especially often when you don't anneal constantly. You guys did an awesome job with this!
For pre-made solid (no flux) MIG wire there is usually higher levels of manganese and silicon de-oxidizers so that the welds have smoother beads, with less spatter, and easier clean up.
I'll leave this method for precious metal wire. Great video, thanks for showing what happens!
Hi Tim! Wow, I thought that would be just about impossible. You have proved me wrong, Oh yeah, hi to you too, Martin!
That's pretty much how we do it in the steel mill I work in just on a much bigger scale and automated. We have a large roughing stand and up to 18 stands in continuous mill. If rolling wire down to 5.0mm it goes through an additional 10 wire rod block stands.
The disappointment at the time the wire broke brings back fond memories of Will straightening the sword breaker on Alex Steele’s channel
Ok, now forge it back into a bolt :-) In the days of chain mail they didn't have roller dies. They pulled it through increasingly smaller holes in a die plate. Interesting video and nice work!
Should have heat the wire while drawing the same time would have been much easier.
Was thinking the same thing. Just set up a torch at whatever temp is best.
I think you should do it again using what you learned
I’ve watched videos of drawing wire and they do it cold for some reason
@@shanek6582 maybe they were just being too ambitious, given the unevenness of their wire it may have been the right size hole for 99% but that 1% was enough to break the wire. Smaller increments at first to get it nice and round.
@@shanek6582 it would probably deform too much hot.
I once tested a sick-welding-tip from an uncle. Take a big nail, baking soda and newspaper. Make a paste from the baking soda and water, make a mush with that and newspaper. Now put a layer of that mush around the nail and dry it. You got a stick welding rod.
It works but just. I'm probably not a good enough welder with a good enough welding machine.
Thats amazing!! Can you construct a wire from small copper and aluminum pieces?
really underrated vidja
Pretty cool there Tim....honestly I'm surprised it welded as well as it did considering all the engineering that goes in to welding wire
I could picture a way to make that cold roller work a little better. Just need to cut off that hand crank. Weld on a ratchet handle. Then make a levered foot pedal. Good sized spring and linkage bar connecting the ratchet handle to the pedal. Spring needs to be positioned and attached where it'll move the ratchet handle back up. Now you've got both hands free to guide the wire, and depending on the geometry of the levers and linkage - possibly more leverage to stomp on the pedal with to drive the roller.
Not sure if that makes sense, but it's something that seems reasonable enough in terms of being able to make it.
Cool way to make a coat hanger!😋
Epic effort dudes!!! Nice one!!
How were you creating tapered holes that size for drawing the wire through?
"Oh, Martin, its really tight." Then the wire breaks... I literally laughed at that. :D Martin was like, nono... Listen to your gut, Timothy.
Stopped for the title and stayed for the production quality
I felt that emotion!
So, at Buckin's request, I followed a provided link and have been seriously entertained by @Tim & his sidekick @Marten! Watched three four random vids and I gotta say the content is seriously fun! Tim, I'm way beyond $400 axes, or patreon memberships, so helping you monetize will be restricted to subscribing and watching new vids, plus occasional oldies. Anyhow, THANKS!, & BEST of luck w/your collaborations with Mr. Smith!!!
😁👍❗️
Man I love steel take aliitle off and it so nice love it. Nice work thanks for sharing.
I love your video's!
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Here's an idea. Make sleeves for your rolls out of tool steel with different diameters. I'd say you could get away with only one side of the rolls bolted down if you make the tool steel sleeves skinny enough.
Thank you for always including your failures! Really, learning is so much cleaner from someone who does not edit out mistakes.
Amazing!
To save cutting wire when you test feed just open the tension rollers and manually wind the roll back. If you change wire sizes on a 5m torch it soon adds up.
Hey tim question, why does the bar curl when you hammer it by hand, but stay pretty much straight when you use a power hammer?
More flat surface area on the power hammer. The hand hammer is rounded and a smaller area of impact. Curls the material more.
Nice... So when you go shopping for a replacement spool of welding wire, do you just pick up a few bolts?
What type of gas mix are you using??
Thats awesome
Yeah you’re definitely on my zombie apocalypse team
Would it not have helped to anneal the the wire before starting to roll it?
How heavy was the bolt initially? I'm just curious how much metal actually goes into making 45ft of wire lol
Uma boa demonstração de quão trabalhoso era forjar as malha de aço na idade média.
We all felt the same when we heard that ping!
Did you clean all the oil off of it?
Also are you using 100% co2? That sounded so weird. I’ve used scrap pieces of material to tig weld with and works out fine but obviously never made wire to mig with.
What is the diameter or gauge of wire did you get it to?
I want one of those axes but I don't have the money right now! Lol
Right before the entrance to the roller you should have the iron wire pass through an induction heater to make it malleable to make it easier to force through
did you degrease the wire before you tried to weld with it? If the wire was oily I could see it sputtering until it got hot enough.
What If you would heated the wire with the torch when pulling it to soften it up some.
I think drawing it through a hole could have potentially worked if you started with a slightly larger hole and carefully worked your way down. Jewlers use what's called a drawing plate to take wire made from softer metals and thin them out so in theory it could be possible. You could also try heating it
Can you make and sell spanners?
Nice shop
I don't really know what kind of process goes into making weilding "rods", but it would definitely be cool to watch you figure it out and make one.
Solid core welding wire doesn't contain any flux, per se, otherwise it would be flux core.
Standard steel MIG wire will contain some extra manganese and silicon. The manganese reacts with sulfur in the parent metal which would otherwise make it hot short and prone to crater cracks and such, while silicon reacts with oxygen. Both form a slag, but they're alloyed into the welding wire so not a flux per se.
Would drawing hot wire work better or worse?
Could you have annealed the wire before drawing it, or would you have lost too much to scale?
Lets focus on a double bit axe shall we !!! cant even buy one in the UK atm , same goes for an adze mass produce them and sell them in the UK
Was there a shielding gas? Doesn't seem like it. Of course if the machine is set up for flux core polarity (and there isn't a core) that could account for the tremendous amount of splatter. Either way, great video. When you said welding with a bolt (I'm old school) I imagined drawing it out into a rod and using it as filler in oxy/actyl gas welding. I've had to resort to welding with a coat hanger as filler in pinch. Thanks for posting.
That's wild.. haha.
If you put an induction heating coil right before the roller and feed the wire through the coil, I think it will be much easier to roll.
Do you hate making handles or what is the story with the vise grip? Thanks for creating things and ideas not many of us are able to actually make :)
The issue is you basically work hardened it as you were drawing it through. Heating the wire up to anneal it, drawing it through, then repeating would have made the process a little easier.
Fantastic idea how about a electric motor awesome job well done bud stay safe.👍🇬🇧🤘🍺
All that work and then he welds with his face right up in the smoke😂
A drill would make an excellent handle for turning your roller also.
19:37 I assume there is zinc in it, because of the white flakes in the air. Maybe that's why it welds so "sparkly"? BTW, is it now connected with a bolt?