Can You Beat Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver with Just a Spinarak?
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2022
- I've tried many ridiculous challenges, but this one might be the first one I truly can't do.... Okay I know I said that last time but HeartGold/SoulSilver is a massive step up in difficulty, and the Pokemon I need to defeat are much stronger. Can Spinarak somehow find a way?
I stream at twitch.tv/Jrose11
Edited by: SimplyAJ ( / simplyaj ) - Hry
One thing that would help with Red is that certain days don't have hail. Christmas and your birthday (registered on your DS) have diamond dust instead of hail, so you wouldn't need Sunny Day to avoid the damage.
Another fellow diamond dust knower! Only thing I’ll correct (at least based on my bulbapedia research) is that it seems like it’s New Year’s Eve and not Christmas that has the diamond dust. And it seems the players birthday doesn’t effect diamond dust until XY.
I thought it was like every Wednesday doesn't have hail or something like that.
For HGSS, the full set is Leap Day, Honen Matsuri, Pokemon Blue's release date and New Years Eve (Feb 29, Mar 15, Oct 10 and Dec 31).
@@TrevCL the virgin hail wuss vs. the Chad diamond dust knower
Is that a speedrun strat? I assume that would save a decent amount of time.
when the video is longer than a hour you know it’s gonna be painful.
I know im exited already
Or not that bad and half the video is elite 4 like it usually is..
Edit: it is...
Painful for Jrose11. Not for us!
Love the longer videos 😍
And you know it's gonna be good 😊
A thing to note, is that it's possible to disable the hail on Mt. Silver. On certain days, the hail is actually "diamond dust" instead, which just disables the hail effect. Might be something to look into when trying to take on Red in the future, since it means you aren't taking damage every turn and it also means his Blizzards arent guarenteed hits anymore. 15th March for example is one of the days where there's no hail on Mt. Silver.
Ngl knowing Jrose he’s probably wait until that date IRL bc playing this challenge isn’t difficult enough
That’s genius. Then focus band, doubleteam, and sucker punch your way to victory
@@williamaguilar2230 doubleteam substitude leftover is probably better than doubleteam and focus band.
@@bohanxu6125 leftovers is kinda less usefull on a spinirak that likely won't survive to use it tho
Also trying to TRICK the system by setting the DS/3DS's Clock to those dates without having to wait I believe that will NOT work at all.
I didn't realize Spinarak had such a cool movepool for an early game bug type - shadow sneak and psychic! New appreciation for this little spider
Johto actually has some really cool bugs! Forretress and Heracross are awesome too :)
But why did they have to make a spider BUG type? The same as why did they make Breloom a grass type? Spiders are not bugs and Mushrooms are not plants.
Claire: "You have to prove you lost your lazy ideals!"
Jrose having grinded a spinarak to defeat everything in the game but the last boss, and grinding that boss hundreds of times: *Eye twitches*
I remember doing a ledyba run in crystal, and I felt the same, and I fought every Trainer. aaa
@@BaconEater666 Tell me you are a masochist without telling me you are a masochist. lol
@@puddlespuddles5208 magikarp run without items
@@johnapple6646 bullets taste better
That line isn't what got me. The line from the trainer inside the cave, accusing you of being 'uninvited' is. Like dude, the gym leader just told me to come here. That doesn't count as an invitation?!
Please don't be discouraged to upload runs you didn't win, it makes it all the more interesting! I'd love to see more!
I once stopped a challenge run of Omega ruby when I realised my wurmple only run would be very very unlikely to get past Origin forme groudon
How did you beat Watson mageaton is what I wanna see 👀
Can you not run from the groundon
@@eeveestars3668 i actually don't recall how it works in ORAS, but I think by that late in the series, ur probably forced to battle and/or capture the legendary pkmn
I mean what's the point in naming the series "can you beat pokemon with x" if all the runs you post are you winning?
@@Jekuma its to show yes you can and heres how. But showing you fail to do it proves that not all pokemon can solo run
I love the fact that this was a failed challenge. It sets a precedent for future impossible challenges that it's not just a given that they'll be completable just because you uploaded them. Raises the stakes! Great content, JRose.
This was already true as the first of this series was gen 1 magikarp lol
@@Shadowjackal Fair point! Haha. I guess I just meant all of them since then. XD
@@Shadowjackal Exactly. Jrose stated he's never failed a challenge before. My first thought was wait the gen 1 magikarp was a failed challenge. . Now im sure he knew that challenge was impossible before doing it. But, he never mentioned it until he got to the tower with the pokeflute. Which is were the run stopped. The challenge was can you beat gen 1 with a magikarp. The answer is no it can not be done.
Spoiler
Yeah he’s mentioned before that he had a Beldum run which ended at Steven I believe? And he never uploaded it even though he reached the last battle. So I’m glad he’s seemingly changed the rules on this and will show unsuccessful runs if they get this far, even though I personally consider Kanto postgame so he did beat the main game
I was really starting to find 'can you beat pokemon with X' questions a little silly because I'd never seen one fail. I still really enjoy watching the challenges and strategies, but the answer was becoming an obvious "yeah, duh". I massively appreciate you releasing a failed run, because failure actually being possible has made these videos a genuine mystery again, and it's super engaging!
1:17:34 there’s actually a way around having to use a move slot on Sunny Day. Starting in Gen 4, there’s certain dates in each game that cause a weather called diamond dust. While mostly cosmetic in snow filled areas in the over world, it does have the added bonus of overwriting hail in battle. By fighting Red specifically on the dates of February 29th (on leap years), March 15th, October 10th, or December 31st, you can avoid having to worry about hail damage. No taking 2 turns to set up sunny day, not even needing sunny day on the move set in the first place. I can’t speak to if this makes it humanly possible, but it certainly creates a better strategy and needing a bit less luck.
Since you did give us you Spinarak’s exact stats, I may try and see if this would be possible even without the perfect spinarak.
Please do, it would be an awesome thing to see
Would love if you commented an update if you get around to it
@@baconcatbug is there some kind of battle simulator where you could try out the battle against red?
Problem is, Jrose couldn´t even pass Charizard, it doesnt make much of a difference
Commenting to follow this :)
My favorite part about this is that Spinarak's back is smiling the whole time.
“I don’t cheat to find out my IVs because that’s not representative of how people play.” My brother in Christ you’re using a level 100 Spinarak, all conventionality has been lost already
scott's plays usually uses perfect iv pokemon and he uses hidden power which jrose doesn't like to do. i think i prefer scott but i still enjoy jrose. he's right that most of us don't like when he resets because he got too lucky. my argument for that is if the pokemon sucks, it needs all the luck it can get. no one is probably going to try to emulate a run with a shit pokemon and the videos are just for entertainment value, so i personally think jrose should go the way of scott and pick perfect natures with perfect ivs and use hidden power if he needs to in order to show if a pokemon can legitimately beat the game or not. if you're not giving it all of the chances it has available to it it feels like a failure of the trainer, not the pokemon.
I love how some of the players are like "I won't use items because that's cheating" and then go "so then I use swords dance to abuse the badge glitch."
@@ninjaguyYTThey don't resist using non held items because it's cheating, they avoid it because it's boring for everyone involved.
Almost all runs are doable with the use of items - outside like gen 1 runs being halted by normal/fighting only mons facing ghost roadblock.
Especially when you're able rebattle trainers for unlimited/renewable money potential. You will always be able to out spend your opponent. Trainers rarely have items, and have a very small limited pool when they do (think maybe 5 items max). They will never have 99+ full restores or stacks of xyz etc at ready in official games.
Sure, maybe you don't like badge boost glitch, okay, but watching magikarp beat the game through the use thousands of items is boring and slow AF to watch. Would hardly get views.
To be honest, you put a lot of time and effort to come up with the strategy needed in order to defeat Red, I think most people here won't mind that you couldn't do it. What's cool about your runs is the way you narrate and show the story of doing all that crazy stuff, and it was honestly interesting to see such a weak pokemon actually get that far.
I actually really appreciate that you were humble enough to post a run in which you fell a bit short. This attempt felt relatable and authentic in terms of trying to conquer a colossal challenge that sometimes is only theoretically possible to accomplish.
You must be new here, he's posted several where the Pokemon cannot go all the way or needs to be Max level just to have a chance
it's not really humility, the challenge is just impossible
@@Pao-vo8mf His point is that he could have not posted it since it is impossible, but he did anyway.
@@ruthlesace An individual is never too unseasoned nor grizzled to pay reverence to brilliance.
To be fair I like the resets when you get absurd luck, it feels more like you’re trying to show strategy and not just take the easy way out.
I absolutely respect and appreciate a failed challenge hitting the presses. The enjoyment from these videos comes mostly from the struggle to succeed, which is present win or lose. Plus, if you’re gonna spend THAT long on it, may as well let it see the light of day!
Jrose, lemme just say right now: I LOVE the fact that this run wasn't a success!!! Yes, it is nice to see a "weak" Pokemon win against some of the strongest trainers in the game. But sometimes, a failed run is what people need to see! Hell, the fact that you beat the E4 and all post game gym leaders is insane enough! I love your content man, you go through so much and teach us a lot on how these things work! What interests me too, personally, is when you get into the odds of things, like that ending talking about the INSANE 1/16,000 chance to beat Red!! That's literally almost double over odds for getting a shiny!
What I'm trying to say, is that even though some of these will turn out to be failed runs, at the end of the day, you still did your best and did everything you could to get past these battles! Keep up the good work man, always stick to what you believe in, and best of luck for future runs!
Why did I head into the comment section before finishing the video
@@MyHandleIsAplaceholder same
great, this spoiler ruined the video for me
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet
Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state.
“We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)
Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894)
The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD.
Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed.
The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666
Just a small nitpick: when a stat is lowered by 1 stage (say, Attack is lowered to -1 by Intimidate), you lose 33% of it, not 50%. No stat modifier corresponds to the fraction 2/2; stat increases add to the numerator of this fraction (3/2 is +1, 4/2 is +2, and so on) while stat decreases add to the denominator (2/3 is - 1, 2/4 is - 2, and so on). So an Attack boost to +1 is 50% more attack, while an Attack lowering to -1 is 33% less attack.
Great to see you venture in later generations for these runs!
He knows, later when up against Drake he mentions how the second Intimidate would put his attack at 50% but the first at 75%. Of course this isn't entirely accurate but that's the point he knows roughly how attack drops work he just isn't the best at math.
@@craigyeah1052 I noticed after posting my comment and going on with the video... But the math teacher in me could hold it any longer :D
Please help, I don't understand this
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
The ending is maybe even better than usual: now we know that some challenges won't be won.
Nevertheless we will continue looking for new ones!
Magikarp RB Challenge: Am I a joke to you?
@@aminadabbrulle8252 Shedinja Platinum: WHAAAT did you say
@@aminadabbrulle8252 the thing with OG magikarp was if you knew about struggle being a normal type move in Gen 1 then you knew going it was impossible. There was no way to hit a ghost Pokémon.
However with this run it was theoretically possible just the odds made it basically impossible
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet
Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state.
“We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)
Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894)
The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD.
Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed.
The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666
In the nicest way possible, this is my favorite channel to sleep to. I haven't seen the end of one of these challenges in like a year.
I often fall asleep to these too lol xD
Lol I wake up and have to figure out where I was in the video when I fell asleep so I can finish it
Really enjoyed the ending. Keeps us all honest and on our toes as viewers.
In future videos I’d love to hear you talk more about deciding which moves you use throughout the game. For example, when/why you decided to get rid of leech life. Or when you realized psychic outlived it’s usefulness etc. it feels like a really interesting part of the journey for me!
10:00 Sucker Punch is actually 80 base power prior to gen 7. Believe it or not, Ariados' abundance of priority and later access to Sticky Web actually gave it some surprising success in the Psychic infested lands of Ubers
Very small success, but success nonetheless
It was a gimmick but it did sometimes get the one up on deoxys spd and darkrai leads in gen 4 ubers.
Sticky Web didn’t exist yet.
Really bad at sticky webs. If you are using webs in ubers slurpuff is better. Ariados can lay a single layer of toxic spikes against darkrai and that's it.
@@YOSSARIAN313 Yeah, after gen 6 Ariados got pretty consistently powercrept in pretty much every area. Ribombee's Bug/Fairy typing makes it fantastic for the Psychic and Dragon infested gen 7 Ubers. Slurpuff is also a really great choice these days thanks to Misty Explosion and Unburden. Haven't played much of gen 8 Ubers since Shaymin is stuck in BDSP, so I'm not sure which one would be best, but I got a lot out of Scarf Ribombee in gen 7 so its at least decent
Lol @ the Clefairy using Lunar Dance. I had a Togepi on a HGSS Nuzlocke and thought I’d use metronome for a laugh. Guess what move it got the first time I used it? Bloody Lunar Dance. Painful flashbacks! 😂
“Who’d be crazy enough to try this?”
Me, having tried this several years ago, having gave up at Lance. “Yeah, I tried.”
I would not have had the patience to go as far you, but kudos for making it as far as you did. Good on you for saving your sanity, the little spinarak did their best.
"Their"?
I didn’t notice it was male, my bad.
@@gaobot pRoNoUnS 🥴🥴🥴
@@HoloTWWOriginal ?
@@gaobot why are you correcting his use of a pronoun on a creature in a fictional game?
The White Herb fiasco had me dying😂😭
he should've had a burn heal for all those burns
ruxin34 a jrose watcher?? cant believe both my hobbies are converging in one comment section rn
why did he even need a white herb there, i dont understand its function
@@09-nguyentaman64 Because, when using Spinarak, Blue sends out Arcanine second which, after Intimidate, isn't a OHKO with Dig and destroys you with Flare Blitz.
@@darkfiredragon3410why didn’t he just steal the white herb. It was super easy to do lol
Monotype bug challenges are still the most fun way for me to play the games. Seeing you play the pre evo of my favourite Ariados, makes me excited for this one!
I watched every agonizing second of Spinaraks glorious journey knowing exactly how it would end. F's in the chat for our fallen soldier.
Like the halo reach trailer from the beginning you know the end
I also consider Red the "actual ending" of GSC/HGSS because for me this game is a direct sequel to RBY both literally and figuratively that ultimately concludes in fighting your "old self" at the end. And honestly that part is probably why GSC/HGSS is one of the most loved games in the series.
fantastic job as always. far from being disappointed, i'm glad to see a run that technically ends in failure. if challenges were guaranteed to always be uploaded as successes or otherwise left on the cutting room floor then there would be no tension. the occasional 'i made it all the way to the end but the final hurdle was too high' keeps things fresh and exciting. plus, it proves that you're not just picking the low hanging fruit for video content, but rather actually pushing yourself out of your comfort zone into uncharted territory. good for you.
10:00 Sliiight error - Sucker Punch is base 80 power in gen 4.
Very fun to see how Spinarak performs! Might be an ominous sign for what's to come with the gen 1 bugs...
Caterpie solo run would be absolute horror to perform and extreme pain to watch
He did Paras already and it was only 30 minutes video, but I'm dreading Weedle and caterpie
@@specodhec341 caterpie solo run isn't possible since it doesn't learn a non-normal type damaging move until gen 4
@@specodhec341 "And I use Tackle. And I tackle. Aaaand tackle. Tackle. Yep, tackle. Oh right you guessed my next move: It's tackle.
Yea I wouldn't watch that run.
Why is it that my first thought when seeing you refer to gen 1 bugs is things like the badge boost glitch and (my personal favourite) how the levels that Omanyte and Omastar's learn moves are the wrong way round.
There's a clip on the Johto Journeys opening with a Spinarak climbing a thread, and it looks pretty determined. Maybe the Spinarak soloing the game in this video is the same one?
The lore thickens. It’s even thicker than the blood of Jimmy the Diglett at this point.
@@rainpooper7088 crazy cause Jimmy's blood is thick as MUD
I love how it is mandatory to beat Red, but no one bats an eye at ending Black/White challenge at Ghetsis, when Alder should be the real end of the run.
Or Steven in emerald
Nah Steven is post game, nothing happens when you beat him, same as Cynthia in B/W. Defeating Red and Alder rolls the credits.
except BW has a solid ending. no new region opens when you defeat ghetsis. no new gyms. of course playing through the postgame of BW feels like the right thing to do, it's so big. but the main story definitely ends at ghetsis, and it ends so freaking well. as for the credits roll, it happens in every game when you beat the E4 again. if for some reason alder left the league and you battled him somewhere else, like red, the credits wouldn't roll
Super long, and super interesting.
These 'can I' videos are usually a foregone conclusion that with enough levels and enough experimentation then Yes.
A No once in a while is refreshing, and baby spider managed to make it all the way to the top of Mount Silver and turn into Barbecue for Charizard and that's ok
Super long is always nice..!
Loving the consistency Jrose! I'm glad to see the return to form.
Great ending to the video. The Blue/Red commentary is so engaging. Like many others JRose, I want to thank you for the content. Continued success to you 🙂
Honestly I appreciate uploading an unsuccessful challenge. Because it is about the story, and failure provides an opportunity for growth and I for one am now doubly excited to see Ledyba. Thank you for the video!
I just wanted to add a few ideas to make the very last fight slightly more "stable". It's really farfetched but with this strat you could one shot charizard.
As you said, spinarak does survive some hits , the more important one being thunderbolt. If you survive the thunderbolt, you can place an agility, making you faster than red's team. You can then one shot the pikachu with poison jab (while avoiding paralysis of course).
From then, you can outspeed charizard and use natural gift.
Using naturtal gift while holding a magost berry turns it into a 70 based physical rock type move. This can one shot charizard with range. (or guaranteed with a perfect spinarak)
As a note, you can stop the hail from falling in this battle (with specific dates), making all blizzard moves 70% accurate, allowing spinarak to survive with low HP, and giving another free move slot.
The last move slot could be used for attract: your spinarak being female and faster, you could infatuate all of red's team. it's heavily luck based of course and still not in the realm of the viable. After that, it's just poison jabs, waiting hopefully for crits (except Lapras) and poison statuses (except venusaur).
This strat still doesn't represent a real playthrough since the magost berry can only be obtained through the pokewalker. But it's the theoretical best I think.
Even for a perfect spinarak, the chances of winning stays in the thousands (1/2048 just to have 9 infatuated turns, the amount of poison jabs necessary for a perfect spinarak to finish the battle).
This is a movie where the bad guys win and it’s about damn time 😂😂 I actually think it’s even better content and I honestly started to think it might not work just because you hit lv 100 so quickly but great run can’t wait for the next
Ditto. I love it when one of his impossible challenges lives up to its name. If he found ways to beat all of them, the "impossible challenge" label would be false advertising.
Knowing that some of the runs going forward may fail gives the videos more suspense too, so I agree, failed runs really add to the content of the channel
Spinarak is one of my favourite Pokémon despite it’s lack of power. Never tried using it alone though.
Same ! And I am arachophobic lol guess it is just that cute
It’s never about actually winning. It’s the journey! It’s trying to answer the question “is is possible?” And for me, I sit through your videos because I have that same question. Is it possible to do? It’s entertaining and fun to see strategies and trying to overcome obstacle but at the end of the day the question is answered. And I for one enjoyed this particular ride :)
Personally, I’m shocked that it took _this long_ for something like this to happen. Can’t imagine anyone being upset with how it ended, I mean it was bound to happen eventually.
I audibly said "Oh Jrose" in sympathy when I saw the pokemon and game combo. Thanks for doing this but I know this run had to have been brutal.
I can't sleep and then my favourite PokéTuber is out here uploading a new run?
Perfection.
Jrose,
What a fantastic and frustrating run you experienced here. Your effort was absolutely incredible and your fan base will not hold it against for not defeating Red. Amazing content here, thank you for all your effort and brilliant commentary throughout.
34:37 Silverpowder is obtainable, but it might take a bit as you'd need to Headbutt trees on Route 47 leading up to the Safari Zone. Butterfree is a 50% chance of appearing and getting the item is only 10% of that so its possible just a bit of a pain
If you catch a Butterfree with the Compound Eyes ability and put it at the front of your party, it raises your chance of a wild pokemon having a held item by a large amount (can't remember the exact amount, but it's significant). If you let it get KO'd, and have your second party pokemon have the move Thief, you can still get the Compound Eyes effect without having to switch out to your Thief-er on every encounter. This is how I got a ton of lucky eggs off Chanseys (5%) in Diamond version in a relatively short amount of time.
@@tommydevine9993 that's cool! I never knew that, I have to keep that in mind. Thanks!
@@tommydevine9993MVP right here.
I am no longer bored, thanks Jrose for saving my day
8:40 Small correction, Sitrus berry heals 25% HP in Gen 4.
25:05 Intimidate lowers one stage which means you have 67% attack not 50%
Don't worry about the ending! I actually think it's really exciting that you uploaded a run that you can't beat. Kinda holds the expense when seeing a video and wondering if it's actually going to be possible or not. That why I liked the first Magikarp run so much! Oh, and especially the Feebas and Ditto runs as well, since the question kept on popping up: is this doable? So no, I am actually very happy you made this video. And bro: look at everything you tried to do to make it work! There are very little people actually able to be this persistent. So darn it, this was simply amazing!
Agree 1000%. I actually came across your R&C wrench only challenges the other week and I was extremely impressed by them. While these challenges are super fun to watch (probably less so to play), the simple truth is that games aren’t designed to be beatable with these random and obscure playstyles in mind. I saw it in Vorselon’s hangar and at Commander Argos in your ACiT run and we saw it here with Red. And it’s just like JRose said, it’s not about the destination, it’s about the journey :)
@@StormEagleCH well said my man!
To add to the "stat reducing berries" strats you mentioned both for Blue and Red, i don't think that's even an option in Generation 4, because of the way Effort value work in Gen 3 and 4 specifically.
In gen 3 and 4, Stats increases/decreases due to Evs are only recalculated in 3 different situations, Level up, vitamins and Ev reduction berries.
However! Vitamins cannot increase your Evs once you have 100 Evs in that stat in this gen.
Meaning that if you use Ev reducing berries after you got to level 100, the maximum Evs you can get in an indivual stat with vitamins is 109, and battles won't ever increase your stats again.
The only way to Ev train a pokemon to perfect stats in this gen is doing it at level 99 or lower.
Vitamins, Effort Value training, giving me another chance to train my team. I learned that the way in my Pokémon Platinum nuzlocke.
There’s a reason why Arceus cannot EV Train in Gen 4, since Hall of Origin Arceus is not obtainable aside from exploiting/Action Replay. And, the only way to get Arceus legitimately is through Mystery Gift, which happens to be Level 100.
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
Nah. Another commenter took on this challenge and, even taking into account the limitations for fixing EVs at 100, he was able to craft a stat spread and move set that beat Red in 20 minutes and the only "instant reset" was if Pikachu used Volt Tackle. Even being paralyzed didn't matter.
I just did this play through in Crystal , I was pretty surprised at how well spinarak did through Johto.
It had to happen sometime! Once we get a little deeper into the weeds of the red/blue runs I think the DNFs are going to start happening more frequently, especially with the bug peeps. All hail the W E E D L E R U N
Nah, I don't think it could happen in Red and Blue, he will always be able to finish. No intimidate, no Red boss fight, I think he would always beat the game
@@Marlonbc90 He could have beat this one too but arbitrarily barred certain strategies and didn't fix his EVs. Someone else took his exact Spinarak, redid the EVs specifically to make Pikachu and Charizard possible, and beat Red in 20 minutes.
Jrose gives up if he can't outspeed and one/two-shot very often since he refuses to use most strategies that do literally anything else.
I loved this run. I think it is just as important to show off the runs that are practically unbeatable. Having every run be a win would get boring after a while. I absolutely adore and admire your persistence, calculation, and determination to do these runs! You have an incredible amount of willpower and clever strategy and I commend you greatly for that.
One of my favorite runs you've done Jrose, very entertaining to watch, the extra dorky humor was a welcome addition. Love the videos man, keep up the great work!
The transitions are clean. Definitely noticed the step up. Commentary is great too, better than the others imo. High quality video.
One thing to note, even though it didn't ultimately matter. I think you said that Silver Powder is not available by the time you reach the E4. You can actually get it off of wild Butterfree, I think as soon as you have Headbutt, or lacking that, once you reach the Bug-Catching Contest.
Good call! There's just a problem that JRose's challenge doesn't allow catching wild pokémon except for HM/field move uses.
@@ZebNyan96 I wasn't sure if that might be the case, but with this case for example, it wouldn't be an issue. You get the Thief TM from the Rocket Hideout, and Spinarak can learn it. (It's a pretty widely distributed move too)
@@rroadagain2810 That's a great idea! Totally forgot Thief.
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
Fantastic video as always.
Spoilers:
I'm honestly pleased you uploaded the video even with Spinarak not being able to beat Red. It's always interesting to me to see how possible a run is even if not every run is realistic to do. I think with these harder challenges the fun of watching is partly not knowing if it'll lead to victory or not.
Honestly I'm surprised Spinarak made it as far as it did! I thoroughly enjoyed watching this, honestly failed challenge or not, you always make it entertaining and the amount of dedication and patience is super impressive. Always a great watch!
To be honest, there's something about challenges that are actually impossible - or close to impossible, that I still find entertaining.
While it’s sad that Spinerak falls short right at the finish line, I appreciate that you keep to the spirit of “is this representative of a regular attempt, not one based in absolutes and tons of luck.” As you’ve said, almost anything is possible in Pokémon, but trying to find one chance in thousands just to demonstrate finding it isn’t necessarily the most entertaining play.
Thank you for releasing Spinerak’s journey. Her efforts weren’t in vain. 💖
Getting rid of Night Shade in the early game, where your next best moves are poison sting and leech life, probably made the game a *LOT* longer than it had to be. While it doesn't affect normal types it does do flat damage based on level, and with a pokemon that you're always gonna be a higher level, it's actually a good move.
It does, you'll be faster and at a lower level with it :)
I did a run myself similar, and kept it till ner the elite 4, it really paid off ;)
"I'm not going to be beating this one-" aw, that's a bit disappointing "-because mathematically the best attainable odds of winning you can possibly get assuming a Spinarak perfectly-optimized for the task are 1/11,111" oh you know what that's perfectly understandable actually
Ah, well... Spinarak, little buddy, you had a good run, and it's impressive you made it as far as you did
I think it's perfectly fair to end with answering "no" when this is the kind of luck that's required.
Doesn't Spinarak learn Night Shade early on? In a solo run, where you're gonna be overleveled anyway, that seems like an attack you might want to keep.
I believe, starting from Gen IV, they replaced Night Shade with Shadow Sneak.
He removes night shade very early on in the run
@@moblinmajorgeneral It does have Night Shade (and Shadow Sneak) in Gen 7 for sure
@@moblinmajorgeneral it does learn night shade in hgss. as to why it wasn't used... I don't know. jrose is kinda slow sometimes
@@Pao-vo8mf He gets stuck on certain ideas. Sometimes they work out and sometimes he's banging his head against a wall trying to make it work. Often, when that happens, he can abandon a bad strategy and find a good one to salvage a run. Sometimes, he needs to start over, but won't.
This kinda *feels* like one of those runs. Still, interesting to see in action and wonder "what if"
If it would upset/frustrate any viewers that you didn't redo the game with a hacked spinarak and then face red several thousand times just to get one lucky win, they are what's wrong with humanity. The fact that you did this run and then went out of your way to calculate exactly what would need to happen to beat red already shows that you're insanely good to us. Thank you for all the time that went into this video!!
Edit: Emulators/old games are weird about save states. Sometimes, loading them even modifies the save file, even if you didn't save after the save state. That part I don't understand, since the save file is oftentimes independent of the game rom. In my experience with Pokemon, usually doing some other action like using a potion, switching pokemon around in your party, etc. will alter the RNG values after that. Just some action to change what's in memory.
I personally like the videos that show it's not possible. The challenges have always been "Can I beat (game) with (pokemon)?" - sometimes the answer is just "No, I can't." and that's cool too. It was cool to see you get as far as you did, and you certainly put forth way more effort than I think anyone would have requested in a video where beating Red was (realistically) impossible. Well done!
That puzzle analogy was perfect lol.
Thank you for what you do.
Always loved the spinarak line :D
Gonna be glorious and can't wait for the scyther vs pinser rivalry to be settled 👌
Let's go team scyther 👌
The vid was great :)
Scyther is definitely better I’d say. Pinsir is in the slow experience group for one thing, I don’t think Scyther is
Love that you named your rival "???"! That's what my sister and I named our rival in Crystal back in the day 😄 we didn't speak (much) English back then, so we didn't understand that the questionmarks were a placeholder for "insert rival's name here".
"...that rounds up to around 1/600 chance..."
"...to get to charizard"
That made me laugh lol
The fact you even made it past both the elite four and all the Kanto gym leaders is impressive!
I couldn't sleep so 6 am Jrose is good Jrose lol
Ty for this blessing
These challenges are always framed as a question of "can you..." and this time the answer was "nope," and that's great. That's science
It's also wrong. Someone took his same Pokemon, fixed its EVs (a thing you can do in this game without cheating rather easily) and beat Red in 20 minutes. It's not really "science" when you just decide the victory condition can't include certain tactics arbitrarily. He even got Paralyzed by the Pikachu and won, basically only having to reset against Volt Tackle.
@@ForeverLaxx Oh, Jrose's knowledge about the games aren't perfect, hence not knowing about diamond dust? How outrageous!
Seriously, dude, stop your hate, you are impressing no one
@@fifaworldcup1994 I'm not here to impress fools, so you can rest easy.
Knowing the theorical way to beat it is still satisfying, so don't go harsh on yourself! I think most of us wouldn't even care if you get white herb with cheats (after Blaine) and even get the IVs and EVs with cheats to fight Red. Finally, it results it is so so so hard it would take so much time or so much luck, but the work you did to investigate how you could beat him is astonishing, so once again, don't go hard on yourself, this is an excelent video!
I am currently tackling Emerald Kaizo. I recommend you try it out as well! It would make a great video. Everybody like this comment, if you want to see Jrose play Pokémon Emerald Kaizo!!! 🙌 😀
I dont think Surge is deserving of a demotion when you are double his level
Counterpoint, he's using a full team against a Spinarak.
@@Snipergod1024 counter counter point, not a RBY run, so it’s technically non-canon
Trainee surge needs to learn to get good.
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
I adore these long videos because I first started watching this within 5 minutes of it being released and every night since I’ve just fallen asleep 10-20 minutes in and I just start back up where I think I left off before I fell asleep so hopefully that gives Jrose 5 extra views!
this is one of my favourite episodes so far! i liked the tangent with the frontier, and the ending actually makes it better somehow
Man, Spinarak have the weirdest level up moves. You wouldn't expect a spider thingy learning moves like Night shade or Psychic naturally, such a unique mon
Great video as always, one thing: did you know you could theoretically do a magikarp solo run in gen 1?
There was a special event magikarp that had dragon rage so that one lets you hit ghost and avoids using struggle before level 15
Don't give him any more masochistic ideas 😂
I've always wondered if that were possible
There's also an event Magikarp in gen 2 that knows Bubble, so while you'd have to deal with the awful disobedience thing it's yet another option
I dunno about that, I tried a sonic boom only challenge and I got walled by sabrina because of recover spam.
In the case of a magikarp solo run, he has to be able to kill the 2 Gengars and Haunter, being able to endure all the "Agatha Lottery Shenanigans" and hope to have enough pp , because Agatha can heal her pokémon with Dream Eater and healing items. So , it all depends on how much Hp the two Gengar and Haunter have combined and if it's less than the max amount of Dragon Rages damage, hope she will never heal them (but hey , at least he could reach the Elite four no probs).
Just looked this up.
I think there were only 20 distributions and no-one can currently track any of them down.
Most likely, the people who got them had their Gameboy cartridge run out of battery and their data wiped.
Also it's on Japanese red/green, not western red/blue.
I respect you more for being able to walk away and give a detailed reason why then anything
Interesting video as always Jrose!
However I think you might have missed a few good options (besides mod’ing stats). These should offer much more realistic win odds ( although probably not super consistent but not one in a few thousand either). Lastly set a day on your console that doesn’t hail when fighting red.
1. Moves
Double team
Substitute
Toxic
Attacking move (see below)
+ bright powder item
2. Moves
Swagger
Substitute
Agility
Attacking move
+ bright powder item
3. Move
Toxic
Attract
Agility
Substitute
+ leftovers
There are probably better combinations than these as well. I can also think of other stall moves like protect being usable. Another interesting combo: focus sash item + giga drain + substitute + attract + toxic
For attack, using signal beam, night shade, poison jab and psychic. I think signal beam (has 10% chance of confusing) is best if you are not using swagger. Night shade is probably 2nd best
Really would like to see you make an updated video trying some of these ideas
@@hippotuskman7808 understood as double team is a little cheesy, but double team + bright powder + substitute + signal beam confuse is not “just” farming RNG. We don’t need every move to miss by every one of red’s Pokémon, we just need to setup enough and get substitute up to get a consistent fight. I wouldn’t be surprised if the move set delivered win odds of 10-20% with red compared to
Actually thinking about it more the best move combo for win odds against red is probably:
Attract
Substitute
Double team
Toxic
+ bright powder
First turn attract and hoping for that pikachu miss.
Seeing more generations is always a treat, I love all the vids though!
I love how this was released a day or two after the Spinarak Spotlight Hour, where this pokemon spawned all over pokemon go for a hour
You didn’t need to think long at all about releasing this video!! I enjoyed every moment of it, and it doesn’t at all bother me that you weren’t able to beat red. To me, red, just like Steven, is an optional fight considered to be the final boss because they have the highest level teams in their respective games. However, as far as I can see, most playthroughs of other games where there’s a round 2 elite four are never considered to be the final end of the game’s playthrough. The only time I’ve ever seen that in a challenge run was when you did round 2 of BW with deibird. It’s understandable why you’d feel pressured to stick to a high standard, but I really wouldn’t worry about it too much. To me, stuff like Steven, red, and e4 round two are all bonuses to the run itself.
Once Lance forced you to level up to 98, I knew. Most of the damage Spinarak was doing was mainly due to being double the level of the opposing pokemon, so when Red came along, I just knew. Was a fun ride until the end, though.
Not gonna lie, throwing a puzzle at a wall and having it come down perfectly would be 1000x more satisfying than doing it myself 😂
Gen 4??? On Jrose’s channel??? Omg! 😱. I strongly prefer the first 3 generations. But I DID play a little of gen 4 and you made a great video! Keep up the great work homie! 💯 🤙
honestly, that ending was cool! sure, you didnt beat red, but you got as far as it is statistically probable for you to get. your "throwing a puzzle against the wall" analogy nails it imo. plus you even went through the trouble of calculating what IS, theoretically, the "optimal" strategy.
even if you didnt beat red, you won at making a great video!
I seriously admire your dedication to a game. You deserve every subscriber you have.
Not learning night shade since the beginning of the game is a huge miss in my opinion.
In this kind of battle you have to overlevel and night shade shine here, basically a 2-3 hko on every pokemon.
Also for steelix, it doesn't have a good special defense, you should have kept psychic, it's the best move you could have used in this challenge
It was, Night shade is actually the best move for Bugsy and rival 2, and same for steelix actually.
Psychic is actually bad against steelix though, it resists and from my experience, you'll barely land a hit at all LOL
It however is very helpful against Koga's 3 pokemon however, same for Bruno and Karen's Gengar :)
I would watch a series where you play with "perfect" versions of failed pokemon.
I just wanted to say that I’m glad you chose to release this video. As you said, it’s not about the destination, it’s the journey, and as a viewer I can say it was a fulfilling and entertaining video from beginning to end. Whether the challenge is won or lost, it’s fun to witness. Thanks for all your content!
I love that you went out of your way to give us a scenario in which defeating Red is, even if only theoretically, possible.
As you said, it's about journey - and I'm pretty sure 99% of your viewers agree. We wouldn't be watched countless hours of your content if we wouldn't love it.
By the way, I'm not sure if it's possible without too much hussle, but I would love to see something similar for other impossible challenges - like if you decide that it's impossible to defeat Red with some other, "standard" Pokemon, if you could then try few times with perfect IVs and EVs (but only if it looks possible - so you won't waste your time for cases like that, when even with perfect Pokemon you would need astronomical luck). Although I understand if it would took too much time or if you decide that it's against spirit of these challenges.
And one other thing - if you are ever doing that Ledyba challenge, if it still seems impossible to defeat Red, you could try using both Ledyba and Spinarak :P
In any case, amazing video. If you ever wonder if you should post some video because you didn't complete the challenge - post it. 100% of the times. There are tons of people, including me, that would love to watch it. Maybe you can use your second channel for that, if you don't want to use your main one.
In HGSS, RNG is determined when you get control in a turn. Basically, make the save state before the turn starts (before you can decide what to do)
I had flashbacks to when I beat HG with just a volbeat. When battling Red, the only way to win was to essentially get crits on every hit. It ended up taking hundreds of resets and hours upon hours of time. But mission accomplished, right? T_T
For me, watching your videos has never been about seeing if you actually can beat the game with said pokemon. It's completely been about just watching you go through with it. Win or lose, your content is top notch.
You are 100% right on releasing this video, after all, the little spinarak did his best and he never gave up, even if he's not the best one. Respect that spinarak
I loved the run Jrose! I listen to them in the car on my way home from work. I love the discovery finishing the run doesn't make it. I am curious however if you'd have allowed yourself to use items in the final Battle would that have made it possible?
Probably, though you'd still have to rely on chance a lot.
You'd still want 6 double teams and Bright Powder to minimize how often you get hit. 6 X-attacks, 2 X-speeds (or Agility), maybe an X-accuracy. Should be able to sweep everything while outspending too. Though there's more luck involved if things somehow still aren't a OHKO.
That's just my thoughts on it anyway.
When you got to Blue, you could have tried using the Swagger TM to have Arcanine hit itself in confusion
Love the dedication! It is called "impossible" challenge! If they were all possible, then you'd have to change the series name 🤪
I can't speak for anyone but myself, however, I'm ok with the ending. It is fun watching you come up with some off the wall strat or gimmick, and if at the end of day it doesn't work, it takes a lot to know when your beat. Love your content and can't wait to see what else may not be possible! 😁