War of the Ring Full Playthrough | The Game Haus at Home
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- For this Game Haus episode we are at home. And we are playing the ultra epic War of the Ring. We are MASSIVE Lord of the Rings fans, so...get ready for some quotes!
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Imagine paying over 120 dollars for a SINGLE warhammer mini when you can purchase an amazing game like this one
or go broke like me enjoying both hobbies
120? That's a bargain for a GW model these days.
@@nolanpestano1798based XD
I found the rule concerning the addition of new Action Dice to a player's pool. It reads as follows:
When a player gains or loses an Action die, the gain or loss becomes effective in the next turn: the die is added to, or removed from, the dice pool during the Recover Action Dice and Draw Event Cards phase of the following turn.
Pg.21 of the War of the Ring 2nd Edition rulebook
C’mon boys... the BEST quote from LoTR is hands down “PO-TAT-OES”
“One does not simply....BOILEM MASHEM STICKEM IN A STEW!
Boil them , mash them, stick them in a stew ???
What about Second Breakfast?
“It comes in Pints?”
Please play this again!
This format...... freaking rocks guys. Love the camera changes, banter and everything! Thank you !
"What about second sneezes?" Legit counts as a quote in my book XD
For real guys: give this absolute beauty of a game another playthrough! You boys have great energy and are funny as all hell; I loved watching this!
ayyyyyye thanks so much for the kind words!! we definitely wanna do this one again soon
Great play though lads. Loved the banter and quality of the stream. 1 rule error I picked up. When you go into siege it immediately ends combat. You need to attack a second time with a new dice to initial a new attack.
Wait ... what? Are you sure?
I noticed a few others. The number of hunt dice the shadow player can allocate to the hunt pool (before rolling) is limited by the number of companions still in the fellowship. Also when the fellowship is revealed through the hunt, they can not end their movement in a free people's settlement like a stronghold. You can not also recover corruption by being in a free people's stronghold while revealed.
A couple of strategies that I was surprised were not used or used enough were to minimize corruption damage by sacrificing companions. I make a mad dash at the beginning trying to get corrupted so I can kill Gandalf the first turn. If I get a Will of the West dice, I can then bring him in and get the extra die on the 2nd turn of the game. Depending on dice rolls (and sometimes helpful cards) I can get Aragorn on the 3rd turn. This makes winning for the free peoples MUCH easier.
As the shadow player I load up on eyes early on to corrupt them as much as possible because the greatest threat to losing for the shadow player is for the ring bearers to make it to Mordor. I don't worry about the war as much early on since the free people can't muster units or go to war without being activated. I make the free people's player work for it rather than just handing it to them. My top priority is hitting the ring bearers at hard as I can and blocking Lorien and Minas Trinth so they can't easily heal corruption.
Funinthesun is correct. Page 33 of the second edition, in bold states, "As soon as the defender retreats into a siege...the Stronghold is now considered under siege and the battle is over." It requires another action dice to start combat again. This is partly why strongholds are good for stalling, that and normally while under siege defenders only lose units on a six.
@@TheBigShaun100 Is at least one round of combat forced by the shadow player before the opponent can retreat into siege (and the defensive bonus kicks in)?
@@SpiderDiscord It's the defending army's choice whether to fight a field battle (following standard rules for battle) or to retreat into a siege. So no, shadow player can't force combat.
This was great. I've never gotten to play this game, so it was super neat to see it played. Also: shoutout to that story where Christopher Lee corrected Peter Jackson on how a man being stabbed in the back sounds like when he dies. What a wild legend.
Hey that was a fun playthrough to watch. Your setup is great, and the banter was funny :) I've been doing lots of playthroughs myself on CZcams but only on Tabletop Simulator due to COVID. Am looking to do them IRL too when able to.
I've commented on some rule mistakes just to help for future games that I hope you do. Things I've made mistakes on too and have learned on the way.
- At 45:30 you activated Rohan after bringing out the Witch-King, but Wormtongue still prevents this.
- At 1:23:37 you took GTW's new die straight away, which isnt allowed :) You only get it added to your pool for next round.
- At 1:39:00 when you rolled to find the fellowship, and got 1 success. You should have rerolled the other 2 dice because of your army + nazgul in Lorien. It didnt matter though the extra successes are only relevant for drawing eye tiles which you didnt.
- At 1:40:25 you were not allowed to move to Minas Tirith because being revealed by a hunt denies you that choice.
- At 1:59:20 when SP retreated it looked like you made an army larger than 10 units and didnt eliminate them down to the 10 unit limit.
- At 2:18:00 the SP player can only allocate a max of 1 die to the hunt as the fellowship only had 1 companion left in it.
- I dont think you ever rerolled for the hunt by having either SP army units, or nazgul in the region with the fellowship.
When the witch king died, he used three dice but I thought characters (gandalf and gimli) only provide rerolls and no extra dice? so he was supposed to roll only one die? or am I imagining things? 1:01:00
@@TheShapingSickness I believe you are correct. The WK army was only 2 regular, the WK, and 1 Nazgul. So it should have been 2 dice not 3. Note though that some companions or minions do add combat dice but I think thats all just in the LoME expansion.
@@DanThorpeGamingWithIdiots Nope, I have only the original, no expansions, and some companions have the Captain of the West ability that add an extra die. Aragorn is one, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir too I believe. I can't remember right now.
@@JJMB27 Captain of The West doesn't give an extra die, it adds +1 to your combat roll.
also at the start of a new turn in the fellowship phase you turn a revealed ring to hidden I believe
I am tempted to paint my pieces, just so they are easier to organize and identify. Plus, those painted figures look so good.
Wash them well. Also, use brush on primer. Not spray. Mine are flaking off now and apparently that's the problem.
@@cyclemadnessYeah, they're not the typical mini plastic, they're a softer rubbery kind and that's probably why.
It also seems like these guys have a couple coats of clear coat on there too, that might help.
1:40:22 - A small rule error. When The Fellowship gets revealed via hunting, you cannot move them to your Stronghold or City
Also a couple of times FP player joked that he declares The Fellowship in Minas Tirith when they had 0 movement, but I think you forgot that every time you declare in a Stronghold, you heal 1 corruption point, so I believe you missed about 3 heals or so
Concerning cards in battles - I think you missed that first the attacker has to declare if he plays a card or not, and then the defender does the same, and you first resolve the card with the lower initiative number (not on the same time)
2:00:31 I think Shadow player misread the card, because it said if it exceeds companion's level, so you needed to have more than 2 to kill Boromir and you had 2 hits
There was another small rule error. Because the Wormtounge card was on the table, bringing the Witch King into play does not activate Rohan on the political track.
“You better start believe in ring stories, you’re in one!” Lmao I’m dying.
I thought for a second that you said “The brothers MERP” ❤
I miss Iron Crown’s stuff.
Really great job guy's. I watched this just to see some basic game play. Ended up getting sucked in and watched the whole video. Well worth my time.
Nice we are so happy that the video was entertaining enough to stick with! Hope it gave you a feel for how the game plays as well :-)
@@TheBrothersMurph son and I played our first game today. This video totally helped. Thank you!
What ana amazing play through - the quotes and banter sum up perfectly why you two are so enjoyable to watch because it isn’t a performance it’s genuine. I played this for the first time last week and it is hilarious how much fun the moments that match to the films are, combined with the completely different ‘how-things-could-have-gone.’
I imagine this took a ton of work but it’s definitely one of my favourite plays you’ve done :D
We’re so glad you enjoyed and that you got to try the game yourself!
More long plays like this guys! Really enjoyed it!
Thank you guys for sharing this - I don’t at this time have anyone to play with, not at least until my two small boys grow up, but it’s heartwarming to watch you play, and let me enjoy watching.
We’re so glad you enjoyed
Quick rule thingy: when the fellowship is REVEALED by a Hunt they cannot end up in a free peoples settlement, so they couldn't have gone into Minas Tirith. When it is DECLARED it can end up wherever :)
Copy that thanks!
The paint job on the oliphaunts is nuts.
As great as RTFM's video is this is just great for understanding the pace at which the game goes and seeing more of those minute disadvantages for each side. that being said a lot of people forget after the defenders go into siege the attackers have to spend another die to initiate the first round of combat versus getting a free attack in.
That was very entertaining, laughed out loud a couple times and was amused throughout. Tense game too with a mad conclusion. Thank you guys.
Cheers glad you enjoyed
Love that you painted the pieces
You guys are my absolute favourite types of nerds. Hilarious banter, love it. This was also super helpful for me to learn the game.
Cheers!
took me 3 days to finish the video BUT I loved it, I want mooooorreeee. I would not mind another war of the ring video in some months :P
Best way to learn this game for me was Ricky Royals video. I can't speak for the one recommended in this video. I've found this game pretty easy to teach despite the complexity of gameplay. Its so good!
These quotes/voice acting during the game are epic/hilarious! Good job.
You both should make commentary videos on Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit trilogies, that would be the funniest 19 hours ever! ... all in one sitting of course, no messing about here.
My most common LotR quote is from the book, when Tom Bombadil admits, "I am no weather-master; nor is aught that goes on two legs."
some small mistakes:
when you get a new dice you can't use it the same turn. so if you bring gandalf the white in play you can use the dice next round.
when you atack a stronghold and the other goes in siege the battle ends so you need a new ation dice to start the battle
you can only locate eyes to the maximum of campanions in the fellowship so in the end you are allowed to have one dice. dice you rolled get in hunt pool
or it reduce the hunt damage by one if you reveal the felowship
Ah, so you have played this on camera. Awesome. Look forward to watching this.
Great, I was looking forward to this... perfect while I do mundane office work from home!
Cheers guys!
Glad we can help keep you busy during work!
I really enjoyed watching this. I hope to see more war of the ring soon from you two!
Since this will we probably be watched by players trying to understand rules, please understand that there are A LOT of rules mistakes (that's common, not insulting them, but watchers should be aware).
I'll point out the really game-ruining one: the shadow player can't add any number of dice to the hunt pool, the max is equal to the number of companions! Otherwise completing the mordor track would be pretty much impossible.
Oh, that makes sense. I thought they felt a bit too powerful. The dark side would have definitely won that way if not for the extremely lucky selection of good tiles at the end.
I am so sorry to the Shadow player in this one. Remembering the Crebain might have given you one more chance to corrupt Frodo, but that tile draw at the end... my heart breaks for you.
Sad trombones for sure
New action dice are added and removed during phase 1. Recover dice draw cards. Page 19 rule book. Very easy to miss that one.
Gandalf, like the other wizards and Sauron (among others), is a Maia. The Maiar are as old as the world, so just under 55,000 years.
And now we have our answer many thanks!
An Epic back-and-forth Duel! My copy of War of the Ring is coming so it was helpful to understand how to play the cards.
Diddo!
We got your back! its a beautiful game so we hope you enjoy!
What a great video, my friends! You guys are great! Now I'm just waiting for this game's reprint to hit US
"Thats one less thing to worry abouuuuut" after Gimli killed the Witch King got me. Random Hamilton quotes ftw
Excellent work on the overview of the game! One of the backwards realities of life is that the easier you make something look the less credit you get for it. And you made that explanation look very easy. Nice job guys
For the life of me I can't fathom that they made the ring a piece of cardboard and not a...ring. Would have been so much cooler.
When attacking a stronghold and the defender retreats into a seige, the battle immediately ends before the attack. So there will be no combat on the first attack die and takes another Action dice to start the seige.
The extra dice, from example Gandalf the White is rolled the next round onward as long as they're on the board. So rolling the dice immediately is wrong.
Also I believe the free people player forgotten the hand limit of 6 cards.
And the card that which prevented 1 corruption if legolas and/or gimli is still in the fellowship should have been discarded when legolas left the fellowship before you prevented 1 corruption.
But I know. It's nearly impossible to not slip up with this game.
Also, I don't know if this came up, but as the free people's player, if an elit unit would be downgraded you can take a regular unit from the "dead pool." Aka you don't need/nor should take from the recruitments for downgrading an elit if not necessary.
Isn't there a rule about how many eyes can be allocated before the roll too? I don't think you can add more eyes that exceed the leadership of the fellowship.
@@samt9387 You can't allocate more eyes than companions in the fellowship. So if it is just Gollum, you can only allocate one.
I played this game for the first time with my friend today, and I totally misunderstood the combat in this game. I looked back into the rules during my attack phase and I kept ceasing my attacks when I could have continued my assault. This video confirms we played a few parts wrong when we played this game for the first time. Still looking forward to replaying the game, though. This game was a lot of fun
We definitely made mistakes around combat when we first started playing as well. It can be tricky for sure but it's an awesome game so I'm glad you're going to explore it more!
Nice playtrough! Mike was all focused 😅 1:21:35 this was hilarious! Only game which I'm scared off to table 🤔
Playing the Witch-King does not remove the Wormtongue card. Rohan does not become active.
I needed the boost. Sauron had to be defeated. I regret nothing
I think that you guys made a mistake here 1:07:54
Siege rules e.g:
SP player attacks Helm's Deep. FP player retreats into the stronghold. The battle is over and FP player should now take a turn.
The Shadow player needs to use another Action die to initiate a siege battle (and the Free Peoples player will have an action in between)
Chapter VI: Armies and Battles page 31 - Retreating into a Siege
Yeah that’s true we goofed it
words cannot express how upset i was at how many times the mustard counter ignored the word mustard
haha this is why we need an assistant. To just count the mustards. We are just not quite aware of the depth of our weirdness.
Sorry if already posted:
When Free people used axe and bow to drop one damage, they could not because legolas and gimli had already left fellowship.
Yeah we goofed that one sorry about that!
You guys need to play this one again, maybe with one of the exapansions. It was great to see you guys playing and having fun with the material.
Yeah we need to get the expansions! And if we do maybe we'll play it again!
Can I like this video more than once?
Loves it! Thanks guys!
1:49:29, missed counting a "mustard"
I finally got this game to the table with my nephew last weekend. Keep in mind I do not really like war games. BUT I absolutely love this game. I want to play it again immediately! I love LOTR and the theme makes this game feel incredible and epic. A new favorite.
We agree with every part of this comment
Gandalf, as a wizard, is around 2000 years old. But, in reality, he is a low rank god that is older than Arda (the planet) itself. He may be from 20.000 (lowballing it) to maybe millions of years old.
Edit: Actually 20.000 is too low for even a lowball. I looked it up and Arda is at the very least 720.000 years old (Tolkien wrote that one Valian year is 144 regular years and there were 5000 Valian years before the first age of the sun, then you also need to add up around 6500-7000 years to account for the three ages after that). Fun fact: Tolkien said that if the real world was the future of his story we would be in the year 1960 of the seventh age of the Sun (he said it in 1960, so checks out with him being a roman catholic) , but he never explained why the seventh.
Noice thanks for the history lesson! One way or another, Gandalf has been around for a while
I love it! Would be nice if we could see the cards you are holding.
Strategy question: in our games we frequently move Nazgul to revealed fellowship locations to add to future reveal die rolls. Was that skipped intentionally, or no dice for it, or just overlooked?
Quite possibly all those things. While we have a good handful of plays under our belt by this point we definitely have not perfected the finer points of strategy
57:26 George floyd reference? Please man I can't breathe man
Definitely not intentionally a reference to that no
@@TheBrothersMurph pity XD
Wait, I thought you can't reveal in a friendly stronghold/city (Minas Tirith in this case) if you were revealed by a tile pull. Was that a mistake or am I wrong on that?
Honestly it’s been a bit since we’ve played this so we’d have to check the rules but suffice it to say we made some boo boos while playing so it’s very possible we messed up :)
At 2:04:50 you discard something so that the hunt tile gets re-drawn. What did you discard? Anybody know? 🙂
Gandalf is a maiar, which is a sort of minor angelic being. What this means is that he was around for pretty much the begging stages of the creation of Arda.
im so stoned watching this and honestly its quite intriguing
Regarding your question about rolling additional dice gained from Gandalf/Aragorn/Minions, page 19 of the rules has your answer:
"When a player gains or loses an action die, the gain or loss becomes effective in the next turn: the die is added to, or removed from, the dice pool during the Recover Action Dice and Draw Event Cards phase of the following turn."
Ok awesome thanks for the clarification and page 19 we are gonna mark that one in the book couldn’t find it for the life of us
Also, when revealed by a hunt tile, I don’t believe the fellowship can end in a fortress (Minas Tirith).
Let me just say those pieces are absolutely beautiful painted! How exactly can I do something similar? I assume "one does not simply pick up a brush" . . .
Just get some paints on brushes and get going and the rest will work itself out! Patience is key and just get into the meditative experience of it all
@@TheBrothersMurph Okay, thank you very much! I hope to get pieces as cool as yours!
Great thumbnail looks like an homage to My Girl
Thanks for this, it helps me a lot with learning. Ill be playing this for the first time this Friday.
I have a question though about your lil' debate about the hunt pool dice on 20:14. It sounds like you are dissapointed with 2 dice and not rolling anymore eyes. But, you were able to put max 5 dice into the hunt pool before rolling the action dice, correct?
Great video, forget mustard count, how often does one man have to run his fingers through/touch/flick hair. Almost every shot 😂
How do you keep track of where the hobbits move? If you don't move it and just get away with moving them in secret. If hypothetically 7 rounds go by, and you moved them in secret 4 times...and then a few rounds go by...how do you keep track of where they are and how many times they moved.
so apologies for slightly fuzzy memories but you don't actually have to remember where they are because their location isn't set until they are found. instead you can basically push to be moving the fellowship spaces forward from their last known location which will be where the fellowship figure is on the map and if saurons forces roll enough hunt symbols (I believe that's the name of the eye symbols) you get found out. you must now choose a new location for the fellowship to be which will be however many spaces you've moved away from the last known location. so if that number was 4 for example, you'd choose a region 4 spaces away from where your figure was last but you can choose where to put it at that moment where that location is
Alright let's see the next play with all of the expansions
If Ares produced a giant-sized board… big enough to accommodate 28mm Games Workshop minis… man, that would be a dream come true
This board is already so big! Lol it would have to be a whole table
Now with the expansions xd
About Cristopher Lee being a bad-ass, there is a famous anecdote where Peter Jackson talks to him about getting stabbed in the back by Grima and how he imagines that would sound and Lee response was "I don't need to imagine"
My first game and my favorite game! Great vid 👍👍👍
I'd like to see a rematch with expansions. Salute to both
We are hoping to do exactly that sometime this year, so keep an eye out
Around 1:08:30 Its been a while since I played but I'm pretty certain combat cards only affect the round they are played. So Devilry of Orthanc only grants hits on 5 for that round. It also only affects the Combat Roll, not leader reroll (assuming the whole card was read out, and if memory serves).
You are correct I believe so good catch! With so much epicness it's hard to get it all correct haha
Please play this game again, BUT with the expansions this time! I beg you
That’s definitely a goal of ours :)
Hey a year late to this but epic play through I love LOTR and this made me want to play this game badly. Keep up the good work!
Hey thanks so much Daniel!
Saruman...can either recruit 3 units or convert 2 regulars to elite not both...correct me if I am wrong :P
You are correct.
1:39:00 Because the Fellowship is in a region where there is also a Nazgûl and a shadow army, the shadow player is allowed to reroll twice while the hunt. The reroll is important for determining the hunt damage when an eye tile i picked up, or am I wrong?
I believe you are right about that
He's allowed to reroll two dice, not reroll twice. Subtle but significant difference :D
Other than that, you are correct sir!
I do not undestand the strategy (talked about it at the end). Why whould you want to attack Gondor in the first place? There is not many opportunities to activate other factions (such as Gondor) without splitting fellowship, get the companions there, get the right cards, and spend even more dice to get them at war. Meanwhile, you can get the Saruman as fast as possible, mustard enormous armies, and attack and/or hold strategic points close to the elven cities. Once the good guy tries to create army there or help with other nations, he is already spending too many dices on defending his cities away from Gondor or Rohan (while the bad guy is making sure that fellowship cannot properly heal). I feel like the bad guy has advantage as he can roll more dices, spend army infinitely and aggresively attack to pressure the good guy. If you, as the bad guy, strategize with Gondor and allow Rohan to activate, it is exactly what the good guy wants. No point on invading other regions than elves (for the majority of game time, unless late when you need points). The only major problems may be subsequent unlucky rolls for hunts and Suruman being alone in the city and letting him die based on the card's effect. Am I missing something here?
Given the thoroughness of your comment I’d say no, you haven’t missed a thing
I would really like to see this game played sometime!!!
I don't even like mustard. But I like the Mustard Die.
Gandalf is 24,000 years old BTW but he has only walked in his physical form for just over two thousand years
So, someone painted all of those minis or they’re using the Anniversary Edition. Wow. That’s beautiful, either way.
Nick painted them! It was one of the first things he ever painted
@@TheBrothersMurph Very nice! It has inspired me to paint mine. Nice project for Winter evenings.
Did you guys paint the minis yourselves? they look really good!
Yep Nick did!
i really enjoyed that. though i did suspect some rules were not being followed...
1000% certain that yes we made some mistakes. Glad you were still able to enjoy!
@@TheBrothersMurph ha! All good. I was just sussing out how to play and you guys were awesome. Love to see a round two with roles reversed
why didn't you sacrefice pipping at the end for corruption?
Its been years since this video was made so the short answer is we have no idea
@@TheBrothersMurph yeah i guess it was just a tip. Gollum is really underrated. It prevents the fellowship from beeing revealed in standard hunt tiles
it can also reduce the hunt damage by one by choosing to become revealed this can bassicly safe you the game imagine that you are on the last track of morder and you have 10 corruption shadow player draws the 3 hunt tile so you would lose you choose golum ability it becomes 2 and you move and get revealed but doesn't matter because you are at mount doom you win
The whereabouts of the actual ring should be concealed from the player playing Sauron... I need to think of a mechanic for that to happen..!
"One does not simply walk into moridor"
Perhaps one could skip or shuffle into Mordor
I paid 35 dollars for war of the rings and another 35 dollars for the expansion to war of the ring with the battle of the five armies xD The only thing was the box was a little damaged but the game was completly new! So yeah! this is much better!!!
woah that is a serious deal!!
Nazgûl can’t die in a battle, and the Witch King is a Nazgûl. Should he have survived?
Witch King is the exception.
Rule clarification question. The rules state that shadow player can only allocate hunt dice up to the number of companions currently in the fellowship. So my question is, what if say there are only 2 companions left (say Legolas and Gimli) and the shadow player placed one shadow die during hunt allocation step. But when they role their dice and get 3 eyes. Do they get to put all 3 eyes into the hunt box? Or only one more b/c there are only 2 companions? Hope that makes sense what I'm asking?
I believe if they are rolled they always go in, but before the Shadow player rolls their dice they may first put some in the hunt box. When they’re doing that, they can only allocate up to the companion amount. But when they’re rolled they always go in. At least I think that’s how it works
@@TheBrothersMurph Thank you that's what I was thinking as well but wanted to make sure I wasn't playing that wrong.
When the player of the free peoples reaches the crack of doom (moving frodo to the final circle), does the shadow player get a chance to draw one final tile or does he loose automatically?
Off the top of our heads we can’t remember but as the free people Mike insists that he instantly wins. I’m sure that’s not biased at all…
This version comes with painted models or if you did what do you recommended
Nick is a painter so he painted this whole thing himself using Citadel paints
@@TheBrothersMurph happen to have any photos others can reference?
but what about second edition? oh nvm this is second edition :P
Did you paint these or did they come painted?
I (Nick) Painted them
One suggestion maybe when you roll dice the results could be on the screen to make it easier to follow
"I will use this will of the west to get a Palantir"
The fuck?
Wut?
@@TheBrothersMurph I just think it is aterrible idea. There is like a million things you could be ding with that dice and the most useless is chosen. My opinion at least. I had a ton of fun watching this though!
welp. thanks for letting us know?
@@TheBrothersMurph You are welcome
Did you guys paint this set on your own or is this the anniversary edition which comes pre painted?
If you guys painted it yourself, how did you get around the sticky paint issue on this set that a lot of people are having?
We painted these ourselves. And we put a light matte varnish on the outside of the mini's and that helps with the stickiness. But in truth, our models stick as well.
To this day I think of LOTR when I eat a cherry tomato.
That image is seared into our brains
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