The Great Plant-Based Con Debunked
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Author Jane Buxton goes on Redacted to take down vegan diets.
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Antivegans have consistantly moved the goal post since I went vegan.
First they said "veganism can't be done"
Then I went vegan.
Then they said "you will be deficient in a couple of years"
So I did bloodwork, which came back fine.
Then they said "You can't get enough protein on a vegan diet"
So I tracked my macros and came out with 140 grams of protein/day without trying.
Then they said "The protein in plants is inferior and you can't build muscle on it"
So I worked out for about 8 months and increased my strength and my body weight went up 8 kilos.
Then they said to "veganism can't be done longterm"
So I asked them to specify longterm.
Now, after having been vegan for 8 years, they say "not all people can be vegan, and most people quit veganism".
And I personally know about 15 vegans or so, and not a single one is unhealthy or ex-vegan.
I'm sick of these excuses and false statements!
define healthy
@@Openmichunt23 Being free from ailments (such as high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol), having a level of fitness that is above average for our respective age and staying low in body fat are three things that are true for most vegans I know.
These are health factors that are important to have under control.
I can add to that. My niece went vegan, ended up in hospital anemic and very ill. I went vegan, ended up with iron transfusions (twice) and told not to be one as I don't absorb plant protein. I work for doctors and trust me, there are deficient vegans. You said you ate 140grams of protein but the DIAAS says unless you ate soy, those were not 'digested and absorbed' complete proteins. You can't thrive on a vegan diet if you are pregnant and menstruating and so on unless you supplement, and some people who are genetically prone to deficiency in ALA conversion can have eye problems from their diet. We might be fortunate to have a load more supplements now, but if you only ate vegan and didn't supplement with fancy oils and B12 and so on you would be ill. Many vegans go carnivore to 'fix' their malnourished bodies. Are you calling them all liars? I don't care - I am a healthy omnivore - but just because N = 1 doesn't indicate everyone should eat a certain way. We are genetically different. I do not absorb plant iron very well - my haematologist told me not to be vegan. Young fit men who are vegan can go a bit longer than menstruating childbearing women. There are people for whom a purely plant diet is very detrimental to their health. I hate the cult mentality. eat what you want but if you don't thrive no one should tell you that you 'failed' that diet. You may want to read this for example "Plant-based pregnancy: Experts spotlight supplementation to offset vegan diet deficiencies"
@@Petunia-fl9lu There are so many things to respond to in your post, but I don't want to, because you won't care either way.
What I want to respond to is your statement: "Many vegans go carnivore to 'fix' their malnourished bodies. Are you calling them all liars?"
No, not liars, but definately misinformed and/or illogical. If you have one particular type of problem, and you solve it by doing a 180 degree turn, to a lifestyle that lacks evidence, logic, nutrients, compassion and that is totally opposite from how you were just living, I can't see you as a rational person.
I could maybe at least understand - not condone or support - but understand that someone starts eating meat because of misinformation and pressure from people like family or doctors. But if one would actually believe that all problems one have come from a plant based diet, and eating only animals will fix it, then that person is not thinking straight and they don't understand nutrition.
Dont bother to answer him. He's Just making up stuff as a sort of hobby or he Is AI @@MindVersusMisery
I went vegan after having cancer and when I told my oncologist she said “That’s an excellent idea”. My cancer is very much linked to high dairy diets in the medical literature
We all know it's all the big broccoli industry
Jayne Buxton has no medical or nutritional qualifications & is an 'ambassador' for the Real Food Campaign which promotes animal agriculture. The Real Food Campaign is run by the British Association for Holistic Medicine & Health Care (BHMA - formerly British Holistic Medical Association) & funded by Whole Health Agriculture; a Big Ag advocacy group. She has a master’s degree in creative writing which I guess explains her book best.
Really .... tx.
The cabal of elite plant-based organizations controlling dietary recommendations was the most outlandish science fiction I've heard in decades. Creative writing indeed. Though, I'm betting it's more motivated by money than creativity.
Creative writing majors have poststructuralism, deconstructionism and reader-response theories bashed into their skulls to the extent that they think there is no such thing as facts or objective reality. Science, therefor, is something they usually utterly reject.
So 3:39 is projection.
@@__-tz6xx I don't know if what she says is true but the Lancet is one of, or the leading medical journal on the planet, & the report is now undisputedly one of the most influential scientific reports in the world. Look at the list of universities/organizations signed up for it. Again, some of the most influential in the world. You don't get that if you are just a veggie conspiracy. You need to do the science. Do I believe her? Absolutely not. There is a long list of commissioners, researchers etc, they're certain not vegan. Will they eat primarily plant based? Possibly ... because that is what the science says looking at it from a health & an environment perspective.
I love how the scientists that actually do the research end up mostly plant based or vegan and these people jump to conspiracy theories instead of thinking “hey maybe the smart people who study this for a living are onto something”
A good example is Prof. Christopher Gardner at Stanford who himself is vegan and was described by someone as shambolic and out of shape. He regularly completes marathons among other things and just drives his opponents nuts because he laughs at them.
@@EvelynBaron That is so cool!
Especially when you consider the opposite, if they studied and advocated for plant based diets but WEREN'T eating that way. Then people would question their research by saying it can't be that good if the scientists themselves weren't convinced enough to change their diets.
@@alexleighton89 It's like expecting lung cancer experts to all be chain smokers. Surely they are all biased because they don't smoke themselves...
@@Jodamo it's so sad that u vegan talk like this just to win a fight what does this man gives or do for u. I was vegan I have nothing against it only when your child is at risk being a vegan since a child u guys not getting it not every diet is for everyone. Some do well as a vegetarian or vegan or regular balance diet and some don't some will literally get sick even if u ate healthy cooked meal and know how to cook. But when your love is at risk in health u make the change if u have children at least for one child. But continue being vegan for the rest of the family. I am sorry but my child is number one.
Been vegan for over 6 years and I have 3 healthy daughters who are vegan as well. Those people in that video are so disingenuous
God bless your family, what a plus
Good!
My friend vent vegan, lost a lot of muscle and went crazy saying car pollution coming from the roof, relocated himself from his family because of that. Got extremely agitated at everything
He listened mic the vegan about protein and B12 etc
@@rahvastepaabel of course there will always be crazies who also care about animals. The point is that being vegan doesn't imply the things you mentioned. I've gained weight and muscle ever since I've been vegan. I've never been as big as I am today since I've never had the energy. Now, I can take care of my kids, work full time, and work out, and still have some energy spare! There are plenty of vegan top athletes as well. So, yes, it's possible and it's the norm according to science.
As a soon to be 24 year long happy and very strong Vegan with absolutely Zero health problems and way too much Energy,..... the Channel Redacted should really stick to their usual stuff and not spread this total miss information about Plant based eating.... ridiculous stuff..
Me 2 I usually love watching Redacted, very sad about this nonsense!
Going on almost 10 years vegan for me! Physically stronger now than when I was not a vegan.
Same! I’ve been vegan since the 90s (bless my mom for her service) and I’m strong and healthy despite my wildly unhealthy Americanass lifestyle. I’m typing with one hand and I have a container of vegan microwaved mac n cheese in the other.
@@Whatever-rh8zfSame
The "usual stuff" of the Redacted channel too often tends to be in garnering the highest view counts and therefore dollars by platforming the most conspiratorial perspectives that will appeal to their audience.
She lost me at "vegans lose muscle." That claim is so obviously false that any intelligent person should doubt everything she says.
Right? So how does she explain away all the omnivores with muscle loss? 95% of omnivores who I know and not know but see and are over 40 are fat or obese with basically no muscle. That's far more people than there are vegans. It's a shame she's making such a huge fool of herself.
It's not rocket science.
I watched for a few min. Got me so angry I had to shut it off. I’m the antithesis of everything she said. No meat since 1976. Vegan 13 yrs. I’m 67 and def have more muscle mass than 99% of women my age. According to her failed logic this is impossible 🤔😂
Exactly! There's protein in all whole plants, some more than others. Protein is not an issue for anyone who eats enough (isn't starving). I actually gained muscle mass since going vegan and I wasn't even trying.
She should share her "vegans lose muscle" insight with the powerlifter Noah Hannibal (raised vegetarian and now 33 years vegan) who can bench-press 200kg in steroid-free competition conditions. Or the powerlifter Oliver Zamzow (29 years vegan), who can squat 265kg in steroid-free competition conditions. Or the bodybuilder Jehina Malik, who has been vegan since birth. Or the powerlifter Carey Kidd who has been vegan since birth and is built like a mountain. Or the legendary endurance runner Scott Jurek (vegan for 25 years).
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s All things equal meat eaters are going to have more muscle there are no MR.O competitors that are vegan there has never been any vegan MR.O competitors and never will.
Love your points and wish my son would listen to you. He refuses to listen to anything about vegan being healthy and totally buys into people like this woman. He says people like you and vegan bodybuilders are all lying and secretly eating meat 😮 He’s trying very hard to get me to go carnivore and thinks my health issues will clear up if I do. I’m of the opposite opinion.
Stick to your guns! And that "vegan bodybuilders are secretly eating meat" thing is ludicrous. The powerlifter Carey Kidd and the bodybuilder Jehina Malik have been vegan since birth. Is it really likely they'd suddenly start eating meat? And the strongest vegan powerlifter of all, Noah Hannibal, is an animal rights campaigner who has even broken into farms and slaughterhouses to publicise what happens in them. The only reason he started lifting weights was to show everyone that vegans can put on muscle. His powerlifting is part of his activism.
Well done for being wiser than your son. As long as you plan your plant-based diet intelligently, it'll be the best way to reduce and/or stave off all kinds of health issues, including various forms of cancer.
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s thank you 😊
hopefully he'll grow out of his jordan peterson and shawn baker phase
I am sorry your son is falling for bro-science. It's frustrating when intelligent people fall for it. It's confirmation bias and hearing good news about their bad habits
I am really sorry that your son took this deeply irrational path. He evidently has good intentions, or else he wouldn't try to convince you to adopt the carnivore diet. It's flawed and dangerous, but he doesn't see it. Unfortunately I don't think there's much you can do. Just keep giving good example. Maybe, just maybe someday he will see how wrong he was.
Psychiatrist talking about chemical pathways are expert opinion 😅 You are too generous Mic! TOO generous
Bro the religious Adventists she is talking about are the Loma Linda blue zone people. Currently has the highest number of centenarians in the world. And she's complaining about their diet :')
Ha great point!!
There are 100,000 centenarians in the USA and less than one tenth of one percent are in Loma Linda so what ever they do means nothing to anyone since it leaves out the other 99.99% of non religious people funded by nothing.
These women are hurting my brain 😔 with how wrong they are 🤦
She was invited to give a talk in my very rural community so I attended as the sole vegan. Seemed like discount Nina Teicholz with all the hallmarks: cholesterol denialism, dismissing any climate figures out of Oxford as "politically motivated" while giving stats from farming bodies and unions instead. Some truly bizarre conspiratorial views on unrelated subjects.
On a positive note the average age of the audience was around 60, probably half were farmers, and even they weren't particularly enamoured with her.
Did she mention The bugs., Bill Gates and big pharma ?
She's going with the usual of trying to introduce doubt because all she is interested is selling books full of opinion and zero science.
101 of conspiracy theory. Just add doubt and let the gullible roll with it
He so looks pale.
We eat what want to eat no one should be telling us what diet we should have . Period …. It’s is discussing and childish every time someone says something against vegans u guys are ready to attack I don’t understand this . Just stop . I was vegan for a long time but after my little boy began very sick while on this diet ate healthy cooked for we never ate junk before or after . I did stop the vegan after the yrs when my son turned 17 yrs old due to being bloated and so many illnesses ok . I stop his vegan diet ok I had no choice because I didn’t for my son who looked pale too even though we ate just like u or better vitamins B12 u name it . Would u do it for your child who was at the the time 7 years old and on . Because I did change his diet to regular . For him ….not for me .
It doesn’t matter what she’s says or what u say . Please
@@aliciacarmona5004 so get outa here. What you doing here in a vegan channel? Wanting to convice someone with your bs and lies?
She's so smug lol what a dxmbxss
She's just another pro meat /dairy /pro animal consumption salesperson that is being paid by the meat and dairy industry.
Sounds about right to me. Remember Abby Sharpe? I try not to.
@@EvelynBaron Abby Not-So-Sharpe.
And you act like vegans aren’t 😂
It's not a coincidence that pro-meat anti-vegans accuse Veganism of propaganda, conspiracies and data manipulation... They do it exactly because the meat industry do these things. This is a well known social strategy used in Politics. Liars will call others liars, dishonest people will call others dishonest.
The bad thing? It works: The masses fall for it. The good thing? It takes just a little critical thinking to see through it.
Let's make critical thinking mainstream!
@@gus699 Why would the meat/dairy industry pay vegans? Do you perhaps think vegans are in the pockets of Big Broccoli? lol
I'm in my 40's and have been vegan ~4 years now. I'm in the best shape of my life dead-lifting and boxing with people 10 years younger than me. Despite my age I feel like i put muscle on way easier now than I did in my omnivore days. These people are crazy to ignore the data we have now on long term plant based studies.
Awesome! I was practising basketball the other month, and a guy came up and asked to join in. He wasn't very good, and to explain his relative lack of fitness he said he was 37 years old. He must have thought I was younger than he is. What I didn't tell him is that I'm about to turn 50. Long-term vegan, and no meat since the eighties. 🏀
What did ya do with the chickens?
AND you are compassionate in addition
U are wrong this vegan diet effected my little boy health I am not going into details it’s a lot to say. So please stop attacking each other every diet is not for everyone. We did ate healthy everything homemade. I am so discussed by all these attacks back and forth. Who cares we not going to live for ever Not even animals .
Butter grass fed is good .
Yeah, the great Chris from Plant Chompers trashed that too....
He's a sweetie.
I’m a fan
Said it before but... no meat since 2008 and I am now 44 years old. I bench press 150 kg. I did not even approach that number 2008. Veganism ftw ❤
That is some serious weight, man. Good for you. Sounds like you're slowly creeping up on Noah Hannibal's 200kg bench press. ;)
AND you are a strong male who is compassionate and smells good!
@@rachelgoodkind6545 smells good?
@@Carekoso I think she means by contrast with flesheaters.
@@Carekoso animal protein rots in the colon and stinks
All that money in Broccoli, green beans, and apples.. Amazing how confused people are which shows you how powerful Animal Ag actually is..
I've been plant based for 26 years. And I've never eaten tofu. And im still stronger than most meat eaters. Your ignorance is overwhelming.
@@stevemann1299Who are you talking to? lol
@@AaronVets awesome! I bet you feel amazing like myself. People do not get it!
@@AaronVets
All of you.
@@SunSparkles
All of you. All clueless. And small minded.
I'm amazed at how upbeat you remain in the face of these dissemblers and their dishonesty. But thank you for doing so and presenting factual evidence to debunk it all. Your thoroughness and humour give me hope.
He's brilliant, isn't he? I love his videos.
Evidence? There was not one piece of evidence. He uses words like expert opinion. This is not evidence lol. Not once does he cite the funders of the studies or even the name of the study. Just here is a study that shows, from the best data that we have etc... not once is there evidence presented.
@@ryanking8960 Maybe by showing the study title on screen he trusts that you might be able to, I dunno..... Google it? Being educational while also being entertaining is not easy - I don't think adding dry and irrelevant funding information will make it easier.
But hey, if you think there's a conflict of interest in the funding of *any* of the studies, feel free to mention it, rather than just casting a generic and vague doubt about the entire evidence set. It's in your power to attempt to do that, you realise?
Thanks for showing that their points don't appear to be grounded in reputable science, Mike. It was uncomfortable watching their zealous attitude, that's a good lesson for vegans, we don't want to look like that. I'd honestly just let the carnivores go for it, and deal with all the consequences except that billions of animals suffer and die because of their desires, and now the planet is collapsing, so it's not just a debate it's a rescue mission. Great work as usual, Mike.
On the subject of Impossible Burgers et al, that stuff was never intended for vegans, it was meant to destroy the factory farming industry. So I take your point as a pragmatist.
Long battle ahead due to all the money behind ag and dairy.
It doesn't really make that much sense to me. Why wouldn't they just choose to diversify and get into making plant-based alternatives as well?
@@Cat_Woods Because there are much, much more money around animal products than vegetables. It's really that simple.
Meat costs a lot more than we see in markets, but the price is covered by national subsides. Without the subsides meat could cost up to 80 dollars a kilo. A kilo of broccoli is 1.20 where I live...
@@Corilo91 Yes, but animal agriculture is also high cost and high risk. Seems like it would be good to at least get into the alternatives as well as backup. Perhaps the subsidies clinch it for them.
@@Cat_Woods The meat industry is not just the animal farmers themselves, but the whole chain of production, transport, refining and distribution. Meat moves much more money and make more people profit than any amount of broccoli ever could. The meat market size is globally worth 46 billions dollar every year!
@@Corilo91 Okay. But how would that be hurt by also making mock meats or almond or oat milk? Those also need to be produced, transported & distributed. And they keep a lot longer, so less risk. No chance of animals dying of diseases either.
😂😂 Chris Kresser still does media?
He got his ass handed to him by the Game Changer guy live on Rogan.
I thought he had crawled back into the sea.
Oatmeal usually fine with these people. But put oats in a blender with water and make oat milk? Absolutely toxic
Ugh...Please don't buy her lies.
I would like her to raise a cow as a pet in her home and then tell me that emissions are wildly exaggerated. Not to mention the destruction of the rain forest. It would be one thing if the entire rain forest was being created in another part of the planet to recreate the earth's atmospheric air purification, but that isn't happening at all.
My conspiracy theory is that those industries were loosing a crap load of money during the last vegan trend before covid and are trying to make up for it. So many of these meat bro diets are strange.
I think the vegan trend before covid literally got the animal agriculture industry to develop social media trolls. I still see them all over Facebook vegan resources posting disinformation and trying to push a meat diet as "culturally cool" and vegans as "weirdos".
Interesting theory. The carnivore diet certainly is strange, and flies in the face of everything we know about human health.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f Also it's sort of funny to think it might actually be a WEF/BillGates/etc psyop to get their detractors hooked on the worst possible diet for their own health lol. Imagine you were on a sports team and you knew you had to face off against your rivals in 10 years for the most important inter galactic match in the history of all sports. Wouldn't it be a huge win if you were able to have them convinced of some sort of detrimental exercise to their health? Sometimes I wonder if keto/carn etc are in fact designed to speed up the process of mortality in a collective of people certain people shapers hate.
The elite... the mainstream... These words light up their brains.
It’s wild since the animal agriculture industry is rolling in cash, takes taxpayer dollars hand over fist, and is 100% the mainstream.
Veganism is the little guy in all this
Yeah I'd love to see a brain scan when they are viewing these videos, I bet those keywords would light up the charts.
Yes. Conservatives love those buzzwords.
@@musiqal333Don't assume and blanket everyone into political divide left/right wing dogmatic ideologies. Me and my family - vegan for over 11 years (will always be) and we don't vote left/right because we don't trust these systems and don't believe it is a democracy for extremely blatant reasons. We also understand that elites and other sociopaths are running our planet into the ground and basically want 1984 (mainstream media is their tool). While people (like in redacted) tend to lean heavily into the nonsense with seed oils, "taken away our meatsies", etc. it doesn't make other world-issues brought up by them untrue.
This is the grand delusion, people are generally incapable of discerning from what's reality and fiction because if they see or hear something they don't like (left/right wing, etc.), it automatically makes everything they're saying untrue or "this is how they are" - which is the entire point of the " 2 choices", to create labels and divide us from our neighbors - when in reality we have more in common than not. Anyway, I have a lot more to say but it's CZcams, no one reads more than a sentence anymore.
there is nothing more mainstream than eating animals
I'm coining a new term -- Medical Main Character Syndrome, MMCS. These are the people that have such rare and unique human physiology that they cannot be vegan at all, cannot take supplements, and must consume animal products to resolve their health issues.
I would just think that if your physiology is so abnormal compared to other humans, they would be studying you... But instead, the suffers of MMCS most make CZcams channels and torture us all with their crackpot content.
Keep up the good work, Mic!
I honestly think that a big factor is that they switch cause & effect. Their animal product consumption raises inflammation, which in turn creates new sensitivities to various grains, potatoes, and other plants. They keep cutting out plant foods, but that doesn't get to the cause. For me, after I gave up animal products, I gradually was able to re-introduce a bunch of foods I'd developed strong sensitivities to. Only one I haven't been able to re-introduce yet is wheat. Still react to that.
@@Cat_Woodssame here, I’m fine with wheat and beans after cleaning up my act going WFPB, and reintroducing those things very gradually. Also everything tastes better!!
I'm 89 and have been vegan for 30 years. I'm doing fine. How do elephants, horses, cattle, hippos etc etc manage???
thats so stupid, they are a different species
Mammalian physiology is remarkably similar. The fact that these mammals eat mainly grass and are extremely muscular proves that animal protein is not essential to build muscle.
Ummm... their stomachs and digestive tracks are completely different than the human digestive system.
@@JohnJohn-xb1snfortunately we have plenty of studies that indicate that humans do not need to eat animal products to thrive so we don't have to rely on our fellow animals to know the facts.
@@JohnJohn-xb1sn The point is that they can make all the protein they need from amino acids that are created by plants and there is no reason we can't. Is the human race really the only species incapable of this? Poor us.
“We don’t have whole milk.” That was a joy to hear. ✌🏽🙂
Yes whole milk is the worst type of liquid milk and cheese is even worse than that in terms of the environment, health, and in terms of animal suffering 20:19
@@Niki.kinddiet really this is joy a milk.
I've been vegan for decades (does that make me a "late stage vegan?") and I'm really upset no one has yet invited me into the "group of elite organizations."
Muscle loss in healthy individuals would be a result of aging and not exercising. Exercise builds and maintains muscle, not protein.
Same also with bone mass which is not being discussed here but should be by vegans, as they tend to be a little weak on keeping up the exercise that would increase, or come from non-physical backgrounds. It's one health risk that does appear in studies on vegans but is dietary, per se, eg skinny people tend to have less bone mass than heavier ones.
We are not vegan (or carnivores) but we believe in science. People (and industries) who fear monger using cherry-picked and altered data are the reason people are so confused about what to eat these days! Thank you for continuously putting in the time to create these amazing videos!
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
If by "elite" she means "people who know what they're talking about" ... then she is correct.
People who know what they're talking about are trying to make you healthier and happier.
the insane coping in the comments in their video is maddening… the echo chamber is real
Met 3 vegans last night at an animal rights event. One born vegan never ate animals she’s in her 20’s.
Also know 2 others who are vegan since birth in their 20’s and 40’s.
But I also know many who are long term vegans 30 plus years.
This is just off the top of my head.
10 years for me after working in animal agriculture. Why doesn’t @Redacted have the other side come on.
Yeah I’m going to get my health advice from a management consultant who has an MBA from IMD Busines School and a master’s degree in creative writing from Kingston University.
Are my nutritional deficiencies going to kick in soon? Been vegan 9 years and haven’t started drinking my own p*ss yet.
I get asked all of the time what's my workout routine and diet. When I say I'm vegan and I just do pushups, they all look shocked. Even more so when I tell them that I've been vegan for 8 years.
I come from a family that believes all of that baloney. I'm the oldest sibling and the only one with perfect blood pressure and cholesterol, and bmi, and they angrily disagree with me a profess low carb talking points.
"And who would you trust if not the government?" Uhmmm how about science? No?Psychiatrists, she says, is apparently who we are supposed to ask. Good lord take me now before she says Jordan Peterson.
Wow, that video is kind of nuts. I'm so glad you're here to debunk them. ❤
I have been vegan for almost year now… i wish i started sooner… never felt this good in my life ever
And you have compassion and have a nicer body smell
Be glad you finally changed - every vegan feels the same. And we don't understand why everyone around us won't become vegan!
@@sandray7609 Oh, I understand well...they are fearful of giving up eating dead animals, they fear losing their social circle, men fear becoming feminine and losing their wanker, fear of not being in the majority, fear of changing...yada yada
On a more positive note.. u do have nice eyes..
i usually have to watch your vids twice
as the first time I'm just staring into them Vegan for life.. literally.
Why do people do that? I used to write for Rolling Stone and knew more than one famous guy happily with a partner who found that level of disregard of boundaries totally cringe.
@@EvelynBaron Been following him from the very beginning. He's a joker and well so am I.. just a bit of fun. probably should have used more than just the wide-eyed fish to make it clearer.
@@ellev11 Yeah, Mike will have just chuckled at that comment. For a non-British person he has got a great sense of humour. 😄
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s I hope he got a chuckle out of it as he always makes me laugh with his sense of humor.. much welcomed. I used to joke about his lovely curls .. when he tried to straighten his hair and one curl would not have it LOL I'd say freeee the curls👶😂😅
I subscribed just because his eyessss 🤣🤪
I watch Redacted, it is a good source of news, it has nothing to do with conspiracy stuff. I am also vegan and enjoy watching your channel too. They like eating meat so that is why they support this woman's opinion and views. At one time I ate meat and dairy and would have supported it also, but I switched to no meat and dairy and I feel much healthier. If people don't try it they will never know how good it is for them.
About 2 years ago, I had more involved blood work done to check my levels and my B12 was really low. I must have been taking the wrong daily mcg. My doctor told me to switch to 2000 mcg to bring my levels up. Been Vegan since 2018 and was riding my bike over 3,000 miles a year. Maybe my intense exercise depleted my reserves faster than more casual riders?
Highly reccomend Food polítics by Marion Nestle to look into the actual food pyramid History. Also funny how these people always forget to mention the huge subsídies animal product industry gets as well as the plant foods that qill be given to animals
The hilarious thing about all of these conspiracy theorists is that they all so neatly encapsulate the Duning Kruger effect. The less that they truly understand a topic the greater their level of confidence that they are right.
People like that are so silly. What have they got against science?
I will forever be baffled by how people can talk so confidently about stuff they obviously have very little knowledge of. I mean, does she know she is talking nonsense and is just acting? It doesn't seem that way. Or does she actually think she's right? But then, how can she be so sure, when a 5 minute internet search would reveal that there is *at least* a substantial amount of evidence for the contrary? I just don't get how these people work.
3:10 Haha the only depression I get related to being vegan is vystopia and dealing with these grifters. :')
its just anti-intellectualism.
Why do these people get to exploit platforms consisting of millions - I mean her qualifications are what, again?
Every feckin time I see these experts, I get so anger envious and I scream, in my head, "I HAVE HANDS; HOW COME I'M NOT RUNNING THIS SHIP?!"
I have not eaten flesh in more than 27 years and been vegan for a bit more than 2/3rds of that time, and have a nearly 20 yr old kid raised vegan (with a couple of animal product situations having happened while they were too young to be able to discern the "alternate truths" form adults they were with.)
The buyers of this book are definitely conned. 😅
I just saw a report on PBS talking about a methane reduction initiative taking place in Denmark. They're taxing ruminants as part of an approach to reducing methane emissions from cows.
I’m in the cabal. Controlling the world.
These folks, are causing more harm... thanks Mike.
Mike, you need to do and exposé on Ken Berry's video with David Diamon called "High Cholesterol is Healthy! [with David Diamond, PhD]". I have only made it through a few of the articles they cite, starting from the beginning, but they actually say the opposite of what these 2 claim they say. I can't believe that this is an accident.
It is actually quite funny how buxton goes through data and merrily discards any data that doesn't agree with what she is claiming. I think it is safe to say that her claims are the total opposite of scientific findings. All that meat and lack of plant foods has obviously affected her ability to think. Poor thing.....Imagine living in that head. Oh and one more thing, I wonder how many people think she knows whqt she's talking about because she has an English accent, hahahahahah!
Vegan 30+ years, recently gained 15lbs of muscle in last 12 months of consistently lifting.
I've been vegan almost as long as you and it's annoying how easily I gain muscle. I keep getting too jacked and have to buy new shirts and I hate it. I'm probably getting too much protein or something. Being vegan is hard.
@@OutlawScratchone advantage those of us who don't eat animal products have when it comes to gaining muscle is that we can work out harder and recover faster because we don't have the inflammation that meat eaters get from hard workouts.
I've done a bunch of diet/lifestyle fads. A few yrs ago I tried carnivore diet/fasting, switched to basic omnivorous (mostly meat, briccoli, marijuana and video games)diet pretty quickly and kept fasting, low to no sugar etc. and hey geuss what i lost all the fat on my body except my belly fat. I never weighed more than 70 kgs in my life. Was super athletic endurance cyclist. And then I lost all my muscle mass, became severely vitamin deficient, skin problems eczema, no energy at all and depression. I was happier and more fit being a speed freak. Switched back to "plant based" or what we just used to call a "normal diet" fibre is priority, little bit of lean meat and fresh fruit and vegetables. All organic. Hey geuss what ........I feel better and better everyday. I threw in a multi vitamin and started cycling again. I'm 46. Recovered from brain surgery in my thirties and was in a wheelchair after a serious crash 5 yrs ago for 6 months. Moral of the story: eat your vegetables friends and you can have your NR sugar dessert as well. 😊😊
I don't understand why she thinks vegetarians have infiltrated the food pyramid when meat and dairy have been on it since it's beginning. There's never been a time the USDA food pyramid didn't include meat or dairy. Although in 2011 the USDA came out with MyPlate, not a pyramid, but it used "protein" as a section instead of meat. Which doesn't make sense if you look at it logically in comparison to the other sections. Their protein section mentions vegan and non-vegan protein sources, and same with the dairy section. Nonetheless, meat and dairy are the first on the list. I don't know how this woman can miss that.
Tenth year as a vegan. Healthier and stronger than ever. And I'm better shape than my peers at the same age. Blood panels all optimal or within normal range.
keep it up 💪 don't be one of those ex vegans who gives up because of _______
I was about to give up plant-based diet when I've developed 8 cavities on the first month after going on it, and a phosphorus deficiency, but, after I gave up I realized I liked the plant foods and didn't want or enjoy fish/eggs/dairy anymore. So I remained mostly plant-based while trying to figure out the teeth and calcium + phosphorous problems. I've gradually become completely plant-based while using supplements as it wasn't realistic to get these nutrients from plant-based foods. Although I take lots of supplements, I'm confident my body gets all that it needs, while plant-based diet makes me happy, reduces my visceral fat and gives me a more healthy look, it also allowed me to go completely whole food and minimal heat cooking. I also lowered my LDL even though I'm on seroquel which raises it and causes heart problems. This is my story anyway, too far from perfect, we all start somewhere, but it matters that we don't give up and try to improve
@@Anna-mv9ew 8 cavities in one month? Whatever you say, troll.
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s yes, I got 8 cavities in one month. Although people say it takes up from 3 months, it can take less time with acidic, sweet and starchy food (fruits), and if you have low remin capabilities, have low phosphorous and low amount of saliva. Before plant-based, I did not eat sweet foods at all and did not have unfilled cavities. My cavities luckily did not penetrate dentin layer, but they were still officially cavities.
Confirmation bias at its finest
Just like vegans
yeah this is what everyone does. They steel man their argument, and straw man the opponent's. Cannot tell you how many vicious encounters I had with carnivores over their unfair framing of the livestock vs plants situation. There are more sustainable ways to produce plants as well...
Could you please do a video debunking these fertility nutrition books that push the Weston Price model of eating raw meat and feeding it to your babies for the best pregnancy and breastfeeding nutrition?! It drives me nuts to see people doing this to themselves. And their poor kids! 🥦🥩
I have been vegan for about 8 years now and recently learned that creatine as a supplement is especially beneficial for those of us who do not eat meat. Mostly having to do with enhanced muscle mass when using resistance training. Humans do generate creatine from other types of food, however supplementing with creatine helps compensate for the fact that we don't get the dietary creatine that is found in meat. That doesn't mean a plant-based diet is not as good however. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages and supplemental creatine is inexpensive and easy to take.
Our bodies make creatine from amino acids, all amino acids are found in all vegetables and fruits. Extra creatine just frees up these amino acids to be used for something else (usually they end up in the toilet as urine as we collectively get plenty of amino acids if we eat whole foods).
@@11235Aodh Yes, and when I tried creatine supplemention recently I accidentally overdid it and it gave me insomnia, which is apparently quite common. I wouldn't recommend anyone take more than 2g a day. Personally, I'm just going to stick to a normal, healthy PB diet from now.
How much muscle do you need to do vegan advocacy or animal rescues?
Dr. Greger has a great video or about creatine...most bodybuilders seem to take it.
I get pretty substantial muscle gain, on a WFPB diet. No added creatine. Resistance training is huge.
So happy you expose this bs, thank you! ❤🍀
I, uh, basically almost had scurvy on a "balanced" omnivore diet. Vitamin C levels on my blood test were soooo low and my body was starting to feel it. It's a lot easier to eat in my calorie range and get enough nutrition plant based than before. Cronometer is a godsend. Even protein seems to be a non-issue, and I easily see 90-100g without supplementation. I didn't go plant based sooner because of all the scary "your hair will fall out!" type of stories you would hear about vegans, and I wish I had done more research earlier in life. Oh well, here we are now! Thanks for great content Mic!
Big Broccoli 's billions gives veggies an unfair advantage over beef/pork/chicken/fish/cheese.
To me, the regenerative argument only holds true (or partially true) if the number of cattle are 1) sharply reduced, and 2) other plant based agricultural methods are used in conjunction with the cattle- based methods (like having the cattle moved around frequently to prevent overgrazing and damaging the soil).
In other words, for "regenerative " livestock methods to even partially reduce greenhouse emissions it still necessitates drastically reducing beef consumption by reducing the number of cattle raised for slaughter (or for dairy use).
So at best it isn't as simple or as easy or as elegant as transitioning to a vegan/plant based food system, or as effective .
I really love the fact that a lot of anti-vegan people are constantly talking about vitamin B12, as if it's the modern incarnation of the Holy Grail. All the while my mom, who is a former cancer patient, has been told by her doctors to avoid taking B12 supplements because B12 promotes cell growth.
I bought a mocha and they used milk instead of oat. Even though i asked for oat. I hate ordering from normal cafes because you just don't know if they'll forget.
What we have always loved is the irony! Keep it up Mike! We love you!
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Great video! Pretty mad though that my cameo didn’t make it in the final cut
I wasn't recording yet!!
Why is THIS politicized now??
People just want to be relevant by being unreasonable rather then being honest and uninteresting thats all there is to this.
Meat has been the great lie from the beginning. With so much profit on the line, it will be difficult to root out but we can do it 💪
And dairy, it's just sickening
@@Castaway..... I can understand why our ancestors started eating animal flesh, but milk? I can't wrap my head around what kind of twisted thoughts our ancestors had when they came up with an idea to squeeze udders of a cow/goat and drink the fluid themselves, so I understand why the bible forbids humans to copulate with animals
Wait. 2 days ago? Why was I not notified...
I saw they published this video I thought you will respond, thx!:)
Vegan 14 years no issues. Vegan throughout my whole pregnancy. 8 year old gymnast daughter has been vegan her whole life with no issues developing muscle. Whole family is super healthy with no issues. What jokes. Redacted is a joke.
I'm vegan for ethics. And my political ideals such as 2nd Amendment for self-defense and my position being largely pro-life with limited exceptions, would have those conspiracy nutters in disbelief. There are ethical vegans who hold some or a lot of opinions most would consider "conservative". I think veganism isn't about political party, but about people who have a heart/compassion and compassionate people are in both political parties. It's completely normal to be conservative and an ethical vegan. Many morals actually align when people are being consistent. I consider myself politically center-right. I believe in smaller government with common sense safety nets and want a society of caring people who want the best for each other and the world.
Redacted likes to talk bad on plant based diet & loves on meat.
lol people in those 7th day adventist communities live long healthy lives, they may wanna look into that XD there's a town in America, forget what it's called, but saw a documentary on it once and there are so many healthy old people lol it looks like some parts of rural Japan.
Thanks!
You lost me at seed oils.
That sponsor add was so funny😂
I've been vegan for 10 years now and in the last couple of years I've been feeling so tired and borderline sick, but I know it's not my diet because a) I felt 10 times worse before I was vegan b) I tried going back to eating meat and eggs all bought from a butcher shop who only sold locally farmed meat and that didn't make me feel any better (It didn't make me feel worse but also no better) And c) Even when I was broke living off the food bank and underweight I still felt better than I do now.
So honestly I think stress and burnout could be the culprit for many of these people who suddenly feel ill or that they're missing something from their diet.
I believe the reason I feel sick is that I just don't eat enough calories, I just struggle to get enough food in me every day and some days hardly eat a thing. But this channel is a huge motivator to keep eating healthy and not back down!
You may need to go to a doctor. Loss of appetite is a serious medical symptom.
@@Fire-born I and my children were vegans for a long time too .....my son story he was only 7 yrs old after the couple of yrs he started getting really sick he was always skinny to this day . I cooked healthy meals as a vegan diet made many food homemade we never ate garbage from outside even when we where not vegans
He began pale bloated constipated nauseous fatigue was seen by many Doctors GI specialist infectious couldn't find the problem. After being vegan he develop Hives and was allergic to certain food after leaving the vegan diet it completely mess up his gut doctors could not find the course of why my boy was so sick. We took our Vitamins 12 . So I had no choice to return to the regular diet . My son was too pale when he was vegan after a while it started showing. To make the story short he is doing much better ..... people don't understand I will do for my children even if I have to feed my child grass Fed meat and organic food eggs grass pasture raised only organic vegetables..... I will not let my child die because of this
They think that because u eating meat u don't love animals that is not true because I have a cat and dogs. But my son comes first ....what would u do . My answer to u just eat right make your own food everything grass fed and organic do exercise. Eat a balance meal with all good stuff on your plate veggies too fresh vegetables. Hope u feel better and find the course of your problem. My son is doing better. But unfortunately the Hives for certain food allergies will probably stay due to changing his diet as a little boy who was growing.
@@aliciacarmona5004 That reads like an advert writing by the Masters of Beef Advocacy organisation. We tend not to believe them on vegan channels. Which vegan nutritionalist did you speak to? Tell us, how are Fire is going to afford organic, & grass fed meat ... if they are living off Food Banks?
Some people are just clinically prone to depression, & although I agree being whole food vegan lightens the symptoms, sometimes it's environmental, sometimes it's social, sometimes it's genes. Certainly, being broke & not eating isn't going to help. Sounds like you need to make radical changes in your lifestyle beyond just diet to work out which it is.
@@jonahwhale9047 there is no nutritionist I was vegan did everything on my own I know how to cook learn from my mother who lived to 89 almost 90 the next month in good health no illness passed away last year in her sleep. My grandma lived 100 yrs old no illness . So it doesn't matter what diet. So all our genetics it all depends on that lot of people in my family lived a long life. It's genetic I say it again.
My name is Walter, I knew we were all vegan lol
the environmental impact of the meat industry in America should not be extrapolated to the rest of the world. grass pastured cattle rain fed is not the same as industrial cattle lots. the initial environmental calculations did not compare cow emissions with exhaust emissions, and that study was retracted - yet still referred to. Methane from cows is minimal compared to cement, flights, and compared to fossil fuels for cars and trucks - and fossil fuel burning hangs around hundreds of years compare to cow burps which are reabsorbed - rotting plant matter gives off methane and its part of a natural cycle. But cherry picking is rife in the food cults.
I'm pretty sure it's not vegans that are penalising livestock.......
Amazing how people can sell their souls for money! Disgusting! Good job Mike!
Why not? She hasn't got much else going for her.
What u saying he’s making money being on u tube attacking other people too. Incredible
@@aliciacarmona5004 There's not much money in it Alicia. If he was in the game of selling out he'd pick something lucrative like eating animals as do Teicholz, Chafee and the rest.
@@defenderoftheadverb no he doesn't have ideas or any other topic than talking about a diet . This is my opinion.
"Where do you find the nutrients the brain needs?" Me: potatoes. It's potatoes. Potatoes are the best. Purple sweet potato 🤤 But yeah random lady no vegetables for you 🤣
Used to COWculate it 😂 missed opportunity Mic!
Great video! Thanks!
Somehow one of the worst viewpoints I've heard out of a carnist to date... however, another great video as always Mic! :-)
When I was 18, I decided to get in shape. I was at 157 and started training with aerobic via biking all over town and running every morning + did full body routine on hydragym gear (hydraulics are perfect for not hurting oneself while working on explosive power vs Weight lifting which I then added 1 year later on after getting in basic great shape).
Anyways, as part of getting in shape, I went with No meats, No dairies No alcohols...
Just nuts, Fruits, Legumes and Fruits (no bonbons or candies or sweets other that once every 2 weeks as Fruits are sweet enough and delicious anyways). Turns out I gained 35 pounds of muscle mass and shot up to 192 pounds in about 3 months of healthy living. Did i miss the meats? Not at all. Did I miss he cheeses? Nope. Did I miss the alcohol... again, not at all!
At the time, my body fat was extremely low, i was at athlete's levels of performance and never backed down from any physical activities & even did modeling in live photo-shoots and live runway work for a while.
I'm now past mid 50's and I do enjoy life, but meat is more of a "because i'm doing like the romans" when I visit friends and they have meat on the table as the main course... I am a social creature and I can eat meat without suffering too much the next day...
but I do not miss meat in my life.
As a matter of fact, I enjoy great foods without meats (so much great recipes to do as Vegan!).
And I just feel fine :)
So, eat meats if you want to, but don't BS me with the idea that it is a bad thing not to have any... Cheers!
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