Nice video, enjoyed it a lot. You touched on Fitzroy in the 1916 season winning the flag in a league of just four teams. Fitzroy have the unique honour of winning the wooden spoon and premiership in the same year. At the end of the home and away rounds they finished bottom of the ladder, but due to just four teams being in the league they made the finals and then suddenly found form. So they finished both last and first in the same year!
Wills actually did not actually take much inspiration from the the indigenous game Marn Grook however he may have known of its existence. He actually took the inspiration from an early version of Rugby which was a popular football code in England for which he had attended a Rugby school in England for part of his early life. Tom Wills actually wanted to bring this sport to the new colony of Australia but with his own version of the code. You can see by the early code of the sport written in 1858 how it drew a lot of similarities and had a chance to become pretty much another code of Rugby had it not been for the intervention of other members of the MCC at the time. For example, the members discussed the addition of having to kick the ball up into your hands as opposed to picking it from the floor with your hands, this was a big rule in the old Rugby code at the time and Tom Wills was for its addition, however it was never passed. But, in some ways Australian football may taken some inspiration from Marn Grook but it's not really known how much as there aren't a lot of records about Tom Wills playing or seeing the Sport. If anyone cares I know all this from an excellent historical book Australia's game.
Aboriginals were nomadic hunter gatherers. If they didn’t find food they died. I just don’t see how they would have had the time to spend on chasing a rolled up possum skin around a paddock.
Mate, this is good stuff! You are a footy CZcamsr, not a Historian. Your sources and script are all perfect for a short video, don’t worry about all the people nit picking at slight errors.
The VFL wasn't created a week later than the SANFL as stated in this video... it was created 20 years later. The entire history of the VFA, including the split that formed the VFL, was completely glossed over. Twelve out of thirteen Victorian clubs (incl Fitzroy and South Melbourne; excl University) were formerly part of the VFA. It's such a shame that the VFA, as one of the top leagues in the country for many decades and with 120 years of independent history from the VFL/AFL, gets completely written out of history by so many, as if its crucial role in the formation of Australian rules football in the 19th century and its enduring strength and popularity throughout the 20th century never happened.
Nice video dude 👍the only thing I would say is I would have liked a better explanation of the VFA/VFL as it is something alot of people (mainly non-Victorians) struggle to understand. The VFA is a completely different league to the VFL/now AFL. The AFL took the VFA over and rebranded it.
There is so much conjecture ,but early Aussie rules were played on Rugby pitches ,Wills went to English Schools played rugby ,yet you fail to mention Harrison , arguably the most important person in football who helped codify the game before any football code , Harrison House was League Headquarters for over 100 years , there are so many factual errors I don't where to start , especially early years
He’s back with another amazing one! I already had this idea but now I can’t do it :( I’m late to the video D: It’s been so long since the last video (but it was hella worth it) that I’ve even changed my username lol
In his exhaustive research of the first four decades of Australian rules football, historian Mark Pennings "could not find evidence that those who wrote the first rules were influenced by the Indigenous game of Marngrook".[31] Melbourne Cricket Club researcher Trevor Ruddell wrote in 2013 that Marn Grook "has no causal link with, nor any documented influence upon, the early development of Australian football."[ from wiki
I'd love to know what your reference was that Wills took inspiration from marngrook? The Wills biography that I read said there was no evidence as such. But I'd be curious to read otherwise.
@@Kaleen_YT the story has no author name or info. just an article written by someone at the swans. not exactly a good reference for writing a factual article. just curious as i have been around for a while and as a youngster growing up and learning about our great game indigenous australians were never even partly credited with the founding of australian football.
@@Skatted yes indeed credit where it is due, i just have never heard this theory and was wondering of its origins rather than someone who writes for the sydney site. everyone is big on shouting fact check nowdays, i was curious of the source of information. you failed to provide information.
@@Kaleen_YT There was an overseas exhibition match in London during World War II, but I think what you meant was the NZ game was the first overseas match to be played for Premiership points, which is correct, so you were on the right track there.
Well the reason Scotch and Melbourne chose their umpires is because they turned up thinking they were playing different games: 1 thought they playing Rugby and the other the Eaton field game (seriously search this game on you tube it’ll look strangely familiar) Wills may have been involved in the organisation of the game e but the fact he wrote the rules AFTER the game should be flashing red light that the Mangrook theory is utter bollocks. Say the VFL formed and was originally the VFA also just wrong. The VFL was a breakaway competition the VFA existed in name until the end of the 20th century and is essentially the VFL competition that we know and loathe today.
What about how the nature of the game has changed? For a new fan like me, you think the product that you see is the same game played for over 100 years. Your football has the same arc as American football, it used to be an organized street fight where hitting someone in the head or face was ok. Some of the older marches I watch, it looked like the players want to Inflict pain on the other team rather than win the game. Older players have head trama and CTE. I have to admit though the new game is exciting, the old street fight was sometimes hard to watch as the players bloodied themselves on a what appeared to be a grade school footy ground.
Some nitpicking, minor errors at the beginning: 0:07 - not the 'national sport.' 0:24 - Wills AND OTHERS invented Australian football to play football, not in order to keep cricketers fit. This is one of a few origin myths running around. 0:27 - Wills played rugby and soccer in their formative years in England, and brought aspects of those games AS WELL AS Marn Grook. There was NO tackling in Marn Grook so it couldn't be the sole source.
Soccer as we know it broke away from rugby in 1863. The two factions couldn’t agree on how the game was to be played. So, rugby and soccer started in 1863.
@@petertrezise4545 This isn't quite right. This date is when the seperate administrations set up. Prior to that, football clubs would agree on what rules they'd be playing, but it was basically do you feel like playing soccer or rugby today, with the home side having most of the say, and the weather the rest. Muddy pitch, rugby. Best player struggling with shoulder injury? Best play the association rules. It's not like the two sports were born when they were officially separated. Australian football played with separate rules for running without a bounce for years before it was made part of the rules in 1866.
"National Sport"? I dearly love Aussie Rules, and I'm a fountain member of the GWS Giants, but Aussie Rules is not our national sport. Also nothing about the VFA?
@@Headknocks Cricket is the closest thing to a national sport, but pretty obvious which football code would qualify if you had to chose one, and it aint League or Soccer
@@Zaiden. Footy has been traced back to 1858, thanks to a chap named Tom Wills he was a cricket and a rugby player he didn't think soccer was manly enough so it was a mixture between soccer and rugby. The first footy match which was held at Richmond Paddock these initial matches were a bit shambolic, so the following year the rules were clarified shin kicking was verboten, as was tripping or pushing your opponent. The ball could not be thrown under any circumstances.
Much thanks from an American fan of this great sport. 👏🏻
HOLY MOLY WE MUST PROTECT THIS AMERICAN AT ALL COSTS
Best game in the world. I watch it since 2020 and love watching it more than all other sports by far. Greetings from Austria.
glad you're enjoying the game, and thankyou for sharing your experience
Much love from OZ mate.
Nice video, enjoyed it a lot. You touched on Fitzroy in the 1916 season winning the flag in a league of just four teams. Fitzroy have the unique honour of winning the wooden spoon and premiership in the same year. At the end of the home and away rounds they finished bottom of the ladder, but due to just four teams being in the league they made the finals and then suddenly found form. So they finished both last and first in the same year!
Glad you enjoyed it! Some interesting information you've provided.
Wills actually did not actually take much inspiration from the the indigenous game Marn Grook however he may have known of its existence. He actually took the inspiration from an early version of Rugby which was a popular football code in England for which he had attended a Rugby school in England for part of his early life. Tom Wills actually wanted to bring this sport to the new colony of Australia but with his own version of the code. You can see by the early code of the sport written in 1858 how it drew a lot of similarities and had a chance to become pretty much another code of Rugby had it not been for the intervention of other members of the MCC at the time. For example, the members discussed the addition of having to kick the ball up into your hands as opposed to picking it from the floor with your hands, this was a big rule in the old Rugby code at the time and Tom Wills was for its addition, however it was never passed. But, in some ways Australian football may taken some inspiration from Marn Grook but it's not really known how much as there aren't a lot of records about Tom Wills playing or seeing the Sport.
If anyone cares I know all this from an excellent historical book Australia's game.
Aboriginals were nomadic hunter gatherers. If they didn’t find food they died. I just don’t see how they would have had the time to spend on chasing a rolled up possum skin around a paddock.
you are wrong
@@torty3813No he isn't.
@@torty3813explain
Again, great video, never gets me bored. Like I always say YOU DESERVE WAY MORE SUBSCRIBERS! GET THIS MAN TO 1 MILLION
Maybe one day!
@@Kaleen_YTyou will get there
The King is back - Long live his great videos
Finally! The king is back with another ripper!
Mate, this is good stuff! You are a footy CZcamsr, not a Historian. Your sources and script are all perfect for a short video, don’t worry about all the people nit picking at slight errors.
Legend
Great video one of the afl videos I watch till the end!
Thankyou, that means alot!
Great put together video
This needs serious revision.
Great video, thank you!!
The VFL wasn't created a week later than the SANFL as stated in this video... it was created 20 years later. The entire history of the VFA, including the split that formed the VFL, was completely glossed over. Twelve out of thirteen Victorian clubs (incl Fitzroy and South Melbourne; excl University) were formerly part of the VFA. It's such a shame that the VFA, as one of the top leagues in the country for many decades and with 120 years of independent history from the VFL/AFL, gets completely written out of history by so many, as if its crucial role in the formation of Australian rules football in the 19th century and its enduring strength and popularity throughout the 20th century never happened.
Nice video dude 👍the only thing I would say is I would have liked a better explanation of the VFA/VFL as it is something alot of people (mainly non-Victorians) struggle to understand. The VFA is a completely different league to the VFL/now AFL. The AFL took the VFA over and rebranded it.
There is so much conjecture ,but early Aussie rules were played on Rugby pitches ,Wills went to English Schools played rugby ,yet you fail to mention Harrison , arguably the most important person in football who helped codify the game before any football code , Harrison House was League Headquarters for over 100 years , there are so many factual errors I don't where to start , especially early years
honestly great video
Thanks 😄
He’s back with another amazing one! I already had this idea but now I can’t do it :(
I’m late to the video D:
It’s been so long since the last video (but it was hella worth it) that I’ve even changed my username lol
Appreciate the kind words. It’s alright, there’s infinite ideas for AFL videos out there. Also, you can still make it if you’d like to.
@@Kaleen_YT nah I’ve decided I’m making a Gold Coast suns doco :D
@@Kaleen_YT I edited the comment to have another line but you didn’t see it lol
You know who I am yeah?
yes i do.
In his exhaustive research of the first four decades of Australian rules football, historian Mark Pennings "could not find evidence that those who wrote the first rules were influenced by the Indigenous game of Marngrook".[31] Melbourne Cricket Club researcher Trevor Ruddell wrote in 2013 that Marn Grook "has no causal link with, nor any documented influence upon, the early development of Australian football."[ from wiki
Great Video Mate! 🎉
Glad you enjoyed it.
@@Kaleen_YT Glad You Made It!
oi king kaleen I love ya vids appreciate how much effort you put into these :D
Glad you're enjoying them!
@@Kaleen_YT who do u go for? and can u plz do an essendon vid next if uu can? keep up the good work mate
I go for Sydney. Not sure about an Essendon video, I'll take note of it but highly unlikely to be completely transparent with you.
@@Kaleen_YT no worries mate
Must not have good feelings about Geelong then...@@Kaleen_YT
Just the video I need for 6am billies
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Good job 👏
As a crows supporter, that umpiring joke cut deep 😂
good video man
Appreciate it
Historians mainly agree that Marngrook did not influence Tom Wills in his invention of aussie rules.
Correct.
Yeah its based off rugby football like nfl
@@Yoshimitsu420afl was before nfl
Another attempt to re-write Aus history
@@Yoshimitsu420literally nowhere near Rugby
What a banger!
Best Video Yet!
Thankyou!
I dont have a fav they’re all 🔥
Thanks I really enjoyed that video and I have a great idea how to bring back the State of Origin
Glad to hear that. What's the idea?
@@Kaleen_YT I can post it to you in an email
Adelaide defeated St Kilda in the 1997 Grand Final, they defeated North Melbourne in 1998.
Nice video SPECKIE
Speckie! Thanks mate
Goood I love it 🥰
Where did you get your info from?
1:23 bro just roasted the entire crows fan base
I'd love to know what your reference was that Wills took inspiration from marngrook? The Wills biography that I read said there was no evidence as such. But I'd be curious to read otherwise.
here: www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/693202/history-of-marn-grook-at-the-scg
obviously there's differing opinions, I don't believe there's 100% certain evidence though.
@@Kaleen_YT the story has no author name or info. just an article written by someone at the swans. not exactly a good reference for writing a factual article. just curious as i have been around for a while and as a youngster growing up and learning about our great game indigenous australians were never even partly credited with the founding of australian football.
@@aussieintexas61because white Australia would never give credit where it is due.
@@Skatted yes indeed credit where it is due, i just have never heard this theory and was wondering of its origins rather than someone who writes for the sydney site. everyone is big on shouting fact check nowdays, i was curious of the source of information. you failed to provide information.
🇦🇺 happy Anzac day
wow didn't know brisbane had a team so early on.
w vid bro
appreciate it
The crows 97 win was against st kilda
3:16
In the 90s there was a match in london so NZ not quite the first
oh my bad then.
@@Kaleen_YT There was an overseas exhibition match in London during World War II, but I think what you meant was the NZ game was the first overseas match to be played for Premiership points, which is correct, so you were on the right track there.
Footy is better than all
Seeing this vid makes me proud about my club
8:08 i swear in the front row i saw nick daicos
And I'm sitting here thinking I know a lot about footy
dont take this as gospel. pick up a book .
@@aussieintexas61 no
Adelaide did NOT beat North Melbourne in the 1997 grand final. Adelaide beat St Kilda in 1997 and then the Kangaroos in 1998
My bad.
The AFL is a league not the sport. Why can't people get this important fact correct?
This is one I'm fairly and squarely placing at the feet of the league.
During the second world war the the SANFL reduced the number of clubs by half. Creating mergers of clubs whose suburban boundaries were adjacent.
As an australian who's been watching footy since birth i still didnt know some of this shi
That's because a lot of it is just that. Shit.
nrl has original state of origins tho
Adelaide beat St Kilda for their 1st premiership
Very entertaining video
Too kind.
Well the reason Scotch and Melbourne chose their umpires is because they turned up thinking they were playing different games: 1 thought they playing Rugby and the other the Eaton field game (seriously search this game on you tube it’ll look strangely familiar) Wills may have been involved in the organisation of the game e but the fact he wrote the rules AFTER the game should be flashing red light that the Mangrook theory is utter bollocks.
Say the VFL formed and was originally the VFA also just wrong. The VFL was a breakaway competition the VFA existed in name until the end of the 20th century and is essentially the VFL competition that we know and loathe today.
Guys, I think Kaleen doesn't like umpires
no i do
What about how the nature of the game has changed? For a new fan like me, you think the product that you see is the same game played for over 100 years. Your football has the same arc as American football, it used to be an organized street fight where hitting someone in the head or face was ok. Some of the older marches I watch, it looked like the players want to Inflict pain on the other team rather than win the game. Older players have head trama and CTE. I have to admit though the new game is exciting, the old street fight was sometimes hard to watch as the players bloodied themselves on a what appeared to be a grade school footy ground.
Watch the 84 SANFL GF between Norwood and Port
11:54 Adelaide beat St. Kilda in 1997 NOT North Melbourne.
West Coast was the first non victorian team to win the flag in 1992
Some nitpicking, minor errors at the beginning:
0:07 - not the 'national sport.'
0:24 - Wills AND OTHERS invented Australian football to play football, not in order to keep cricketers fit. This is one of a few origin myths running around.
0:27 - Wills played rugby and soccer in their formative years in England, and brought aspects of those games AS WELL AS Marn Grook. There was NO tackling in Marn Grook so it couldn't be the sole source.
appreciate you telling me. will try my best to prevent errors in future videos.
Soccer as we know it broke away from rugby in 1863. The two factions couldn’t agree on how the game was to be played. So, rugby and soccer started in 1863.
@@petertrezise4545 This isn't quite right. This date is when the seperate administrations set up. Prior to that, football clubs would agree on what rules they'd be playing, but it was basically do you feel like playing soccer or rugby today, with the home side having most of the say, and the weather the rest. Muddy pitch, rugby. Best player struggling with shoulder injury? Best play the association rules. It's not like the two sports were born when they were officially separated. Australian football played with separate rules for running without a bounce for years before it was made part of the rules in 1866.
Bro, when he said “If only the crows had that choice” I freaking was like f*** you, you f***ing b****
crows are my 2nd favourite team, i wasn't hating
Oh ok
Sorry
You failed to mention University, who were in the VFL between 1908-1915 and was based at Melbourne University.
yes, i completely forget.
Ummmmm don’t think the AFL has been actually going this long u could say Aussie rules football NOT Australian football league
I suppose, I think it just makes it simpler to follow along.
@@Kaleen_YT Yes, people these days tend to refer to Aussie Rules as "AFL". It's not technically correct, but you're right, it keeps it simple.
No, let’s not dumb people down. The sport is called Australian Rules Football, full stop
Why does it matter?
11:19 no Brisbane lions was created in 1996
That is true
1904 Port Adelaide won championships of Australia with out drop a game not Norwood do your research better
my bad
Full of inaccuracies and a few typos for good measure. A rough watch.
1871 bombers release date
Yeah
"National Sport"?
I dearly love Aussie Rules, and I'm a fountain member of the GWS Giants, but Aussie Rules is not our national sport.
Also nothing about the VFA?
What about the hawks? Threepeat🦅🦅🏉
Where was of game in English there fame for fun but did olay
Adelaide beat st kilda in 1997
Only if the crows had that choice lol
AFL was derived only from Gaelic Football
Please don’t make up history
To many people try to rewrite history and you clearly chose the easy route
Hmm sure
"national sport" ask 95% of sydney or brisbane to name 3 players
ask the rest of the country to name 3 players, they'd be able to
half the population in nsw and qld mate. definitely not the national sport. @@Adam-XL
@@Headknocks Cricket is the closest thing to a national sport, but pretty obvious which football code would qualify if you had to chose one, and it aint League or Soccer
ill guarantee you more people play soccer and have an interest in that game than either league or afl @@Adam-XL
@@Headknocks abysmal A-league attendances suggest otherwise
It’s of Australian rules Football not AFL
I suggest you read Geoffrey Bailey’s History of Australian Football before publishing this rubbish
Nah Geelong cats is way better
Aflw 😂😂😂😂
Does history have to keep being rewritten to make indigenous people feel special?
That story was debunked many years ago unfortunately it's a fairy tale.
Really you tell the story then
@@Zaiden. Footy has been traced back to 1858, thanks to a chap named Tom Wills he was a cricket and a rugby player he didn't think soccer was manly enough so it was a mixture between soccer and rugby. The first footy match which was held at Richmond Paddock these initial matches were a bit shambolic, so the following year the rules were clarified shin kicking was verboten, as was tripping or pushing your opponent. The ball could not be thrown under any circumstances.
@@snOOziie oh yeh I already know that
NRL is a better sport. We call it gayfl
Aussie Rules supporters call Rugby players (of both codes) bum sniffers, but it is only Aussie Rules that behinds are scored.
Hell nah national stupid league afl Australian Football League
NRL is better
"goh goh goh"
Go watch the NRL then
Stop the cap😂
Shut up
Past and present, we all know what AFL really stands for. Would be the number one game if there was a LGBTQA+ Olympics